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Serbian Orthodox Church and the Warlords of the '90s 

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During the wars of the 90s, different clerics of the Serbian Orthodox Church had some nice things to say about the warlords of the time. How to approach this from Christian perspective?
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@TotallyNormalDude333
@TotallyNormalDude333 Месяц назад
As a bosniak who's gonna become Orthodox, thank you for this video ⚜️♥️🇷🇸☦️
@deutschermichel5807
@deutschermichel5807 Месяц назад
As a German I have no idea about the Balkans. Can I ask a question? Arenʼt you basically a Serb the moment you get baptized into the Orthodox Church? Or a Croatian if you decided to be baptized in the Catholic Church?
@TotallyNormalDude333
@TotallyNormalDude333 Месяц назад
@@deutschermichel5807 Well, not exactly. You can identify as one I guess, but it's not out of the blue.
@jlhistory
@jlhistory Месяц назад
Congratulations!
@TotallyNormalDude333
@TotallyNormalDude333 Месяц назад
@@jlhistory Thank you
@momcilogavric4930
@momcilogavric4930 Месяц назад
Neka je sa srećom✝️
@gillianc6514
@gillianc6514 Месяц назад
There is an Irish saying: If 2 neighbours are fighting today it is because one of them was visited by an Englishman yesterday. The militias on all sides of this conflict were infiltrated by foreign actors who encouraged violence and inflamed the passions. The ultimate condemnation is on those from outside the Balkans who desired the break-up of Yugoslavia and did a deal with the devil to make it happen.
@clivejungle6999
@clivejungle6999 Месяц назад
And the only reason England got involved in Ireland in the first place was because there was already civil strife between Irish factions. Similarly, there was already great divisions within the artificial Yugo state that foreign actors may have exploited but certainly didn't create.
@gillianc6514
@gillianc6514 Месяц назад
@@clivejungle6999 I don't know where you are from Mr Clive, but your reading of Irish history does not hold with reality. ALL the tension was created by the British in the fir4st place and I invite you to find evidence to the contrary. It is a trick of Empire to convince everyone they are only there to keep the peace when in fact they caused the trouble in the first place: Ireland, India, Yemen, Palestine ........ the list goes on .....
@angelocos1
@angelocos1 Месяц назад
I hope many Americans listen to this. Due to our addiction to labels
@HimzoPolovina-fi5ur
@HimzoPolovina-fi5ur Месяц назад
Prejako brate bas mi se cinis sasvim duhovno ispravn i razuman covjek i ljudsko biće, pored toga i toliko odan Bogu kao musliman brate želim ti svu srecu i božiju blagodati na tvom putu, nema mnogo ljudi kao ti posebno u ovome vremenu. Drago mi je da tako fina osoba pravi ovaka videa, amin mnogo zdravlja tebi i tvojim najbližim.
@user-qd9bm5ul7i
@user-qd9bm5ul7i Месяц назад
I think Solzhenitsyn said it best when pointed out that the line between good and evil runs through every human heart.
@MaksFaks-kl1zj
@MaksFaks-kl1zj Месяц назад
Too bad he couldn't see that line within himself.
@ZS-rw4qq
@ZS-rw4qq Месяц назад
Why are we taking Solzhenitsyn seriously?
@MaraJaha-ih3ky
@MaraJaha-ih3ky Месяц назад
It is because in our Orthodox teaching we know that pointing out someone’s flaws won’t make conversion in their heart. We praise our fallen brothers and blow wind at their back for what they do good even when that hurts us. We pray for them and let God do it’s work. Our work is to suffer pray and wait. That’s the essence. And God indeed does miracles. No man can arrange as God arranges. Praise the Lord.❤
@OrthoChi20
@OrthoChi20 Месяц назад
Great Video Bojan. God Bless ☦️🇷🇸
@user-yb4xo2vj9m
@user-yb4xo2vj9m Месяц назад
Hey Bojan, could you make a video discussing Patriarch Meletius IV and his actions like the new calendar? I honestly don’t know what to think of him, I’ve hear he was a mason and stuff like that. Could you also explain the history of the Serbian church and the raising to patriarchate in the 20s under the leadership of patriarch Dimitrije? I’m a huge fan!
@rsissel1
@rsissel1 Месяц назад
Nuanced response. Well done
@Stevie-J
@Stevie-J Месяц назад
Your office looks like a sauna and it's comfy
@cerebrummaximus3762
@cerebrummaximus3762 Месяц назад
Hello Bojan, excellent stance! We have somewhat of a similar dilemma in Bulgaria. In the Second World War, we were on the Axis. Now, our Tsar Boris III was not keen on joining neither the Nazis, nor WW2 in general. Essentially, he stalled joining the war up until the last moment where the Nazis essentially threatened Bulgaria. Bulgaria had been promised in three separate occasions that all Bulgarian people would be united under one country, but this deal had been broken three times and resulted in loss of two wars already for Bulgaria. Boris was unwilling to join yet another war, but when forced, he manage to negotiate with Hitler the best possible deal which would have potentially united all Bulgarians (the truth is Hitler is Hitler, and this was likely a false promise). Although stripped of from occupied territories after the Axis defeat, Turkey ceded some territory to Bulgaria. Now, I'm going to speak about Boris in a moment. My point is that, Bulgaria, although had essentially been forced to war, never truly suffered under Hitler. In fact, although the promise is, let's be real, likely false hope, under Hitler, Bulgaria was promised what it had been fighting for over half a century, and nearly succeeded in uniting all Bulgarians. In the end, there wasn't a massive loss for Bulgaria from what we had before the war. In addition, although I'm sure any racist Bulgarians may be unhappy, Bulgaria refused to implement Hitler's anti-Jewish laws (I'll speak about this in a moment too) and was never actually politically fascist, meaning that mainland Bulgaria did very little anything morally incorrect, besides being accused for joining the "evil side". Because of this, many Bulgarians don't hold as such of a negative view of fascism and the Axis, because one can argue Bulgaria prospered during WW2 with very few moral trespasses. Although oviously, NO sane Bulgarian will think Hitler is a good person, Hitler isn't as taboo in Bulgaria as he is in the west, because it can be argued Bulgaria benefited from him. Although I don't believe a thing such as "Orthodox Nazis" exist, because the two terms are contradictory, one can't be both; if such do exist, Bulgaria is a likely breeding ground for that ideology exactly because of this, Bulgaria prospered under Hitler, the Jews weren't killed, Bulgaria was promised what nobody else agreed to give to Bulgaria. Dare I say, one may find such an ideology tempting. Now, Tsar Boris III is an interesting figure of himself. Because, he is controversial in North Macedonia and perhaps Serbia as well, but he isn't far off from being a national hero in Bulgaria. My opinion is that Boris is definitely saved. First off, there's the obvious: Boris drove Bulgaria from another national catastrophe, and tried to keep Bulgaria neutral for as long as possible, until he was essentially threatened by Hitler, "join, or see your country and people destroyed"; when Boris did finally join, he managed to negotiate with Hitler a deal long promised to Bulgaria, but broken multiple times for over half a century: that all Bulgarians would be united. By joining the Axis, not only was destruction of Bulgaria and deaths of many Bulgarians spared, but also did Boris manage to spare the lives of many Jews, including Bulgarian Jews, and Jews that emigrated in. Although Bulgaria prides itself with Boris having refused to implement Hitler's anti-Jewish laws and had "saved the Jews", straight up lying to Hitler that Boris "needed them for heavy labour" to save them from concentration camps - this only applies to mainland Bulgaria. In the occupied territories, many including Jews and others, were sent to concentration camps and killed. This remains a controversial topic in North Macedonia. The reality is that, it is sheer luck that Boris managed to save all the Jews in mainland Bulgaria. It wasn't without price either, Boris died under "mysterious circumstances" shortly after a meeting with Hitler during when he discovered Bulgaria was avoiding the anti-Jewish laws. It was virtually impossible that the Jews in the territories of modern North Macedonia would have been saved, considering that they were only de juro owned by Boris, but in reality heavily regulated by the Nazis (N.Macedonia is located conveniently near the centre of the Balkans and is a convenient military corridor, which the Nazis were very keen on only promising it to Bulgaria and not keeping that promise). If Bulgaria had even attempted to counter the Nazis in the occupied territories, not only would the Jews in Macedonia be gone, but the many Jews and innocents that were savable in mainland Bulgaria too. In my humble opinion, Boris is a national hero. Besides all he was a devout Orthodox Christian, and the Patriarch and the Orthodox clergy, which aimed to keep themselves separate from politics, were supportive of Boris, and highly advocated for all attempts to be made to save the Jews. Even the Pope, knowing full well Bulgaria was on the Axis, messaged Boris to keep all efforts to save the Jews. Boris did what he can, and I truly believe he is saved. Only God may decide. Be blessed for this video Bojan! ☦✝️🇧🇬❤
@FrostOperator90-YT
@FrostOperator90-YT Месяц назад
Слава Исусу Хирсту, Богдан! Greetings from an American in the ROCOR. I am a very soon to be reader myself (in three days, Glory to God!) and I truly appreciate your efforts on this channel. Thank you! But anyway, I digress. As someone who illustrates and does art, I have a question that I think is perfect for you. From your understanding, what is your personal opinion on the popular Japanese animation and art style, known widely as anime? Thank you, God Bless!
@ZS-rw4qq
@ZS-rw4qq Месяц назад
3:20 Saved is too strong of a word if you ask me, the saviours would definitely be partisans. But I get your point, and I agree... To a point
@PeroZderoPeroZdero
@PeroZderoPeroZdero Месяц назад
Stari moj ako ovo znaš čitati , znaj si dobar u duši pravi sljedbenik Božje riječi , ali politika na balkanu je nebitna , balkan ima nula utjecaja na svijet , bilo to politički,ekonomski...
@JohnStevens-23rd
@JohnStevens-23rd Месяц назад
arkan was like a eceleb lrl live streamer during the war. how tf were there so many camaras on him 🤣
@smittycity42
@smittycity42 Месяц назад
Looks like you've lost some weight!
@BanterWithBojan
@BanterWithBojan Месяц назад
Thanks! I've just been trying to walk a lot more (about 2 hours / day) :)
@eternalbattle1438
@eternalbattle1438 Месяц назад
What kind of foods do you eat to lose weight?
@nunereclipsereborn
@nunereclipsereborn 29 дней назад
​@@BanterWithBojanKosovo Is Serbia
@CzarLazar1389
@CzarLazar1389 Месяц назад
Related to your video, what do you think about Serbian turbofolk songs from this time? I personally enjoy the songs for their melody but sometimes I have to watch out for songs with sinful lyrics (e.g. Ćuti ćuti ujko or Ne volim te Alija). It's unfortunate that Serbian nationalism would often take priority over Orthodox piety at that time.
@OrthoChi20
@OrthoChi20 Месяц назад
Many of those songs have a lot of truth in them. Especially, O alija aljo. Exposes how the bosniaks were betrayed by Alija izetbegovic.
@floridaman318
@floridaman318 Месяц назад
​@@OrthoChi20 Who fucking cares
@TotallyNormalDude333
@TotallyNormalDude333 Месяц назад
@@OrthoChi20 Yeah, I personally don't like him as a Bosniak. I lean closer to Abdić, but regardless terrible stuff would happen anyways.
@OrthoChi20
@OrthoChi20 Месяц назад
@@TotallyNormalDude333 another thing to consider is there is no such thing as Bosniak ethnicity. Those were just Serbs in Bosnia that got converted to Islam during Ottoman Empire but didn’t want to be called Serbs. Many of them know their ancestors were Serbs. But alija sold his own bosniaks for money. Should of signed the peace treaty and respected the Serbs that have always been in Bosnia. That’s why today they don’t have that much territory. It is what it is. Let us look to Christ and live out our faith is the only hope for all ☦️
@TotallyNormalDude333
@TotallyNormalDude333 Месяц назад
@@OrthoChi20 I mostly agree, which is why I usually use bošnjan (like the medieval identity for every inhabitant) or bosnian. But since those two aren't ethnonyms, and calling myself a serb would be a bit confusing, I refer to my ethnicity as bosniak. But of course, I feel closer to serbs, and I consider them brothers.
@CzarLazar1389
@CzarLazar1389 Месяц назад
Hvale ti arkane😊
@kevinzalac8945
@kevinzalac8945 Месяц назад
Oh! This should be very interesting!
@markeedeep
@markeedeep Месяц назад
My question to those asking questions related to the Serbian nation, is which country do you come from and who are you to judge us? With regards to the Serbian Volunteer Guard (so called "Arkan's Tigers") there's an interview from several years ago featuring one of the main officers of this fighting unit, Borislav Pelević, who was a straight shooter, university educated and an exceptionally self disciplined individual. He says it's a total myth and a gutter mass media smear that the Guard was a band of criminals. In fact, the unit was exemplary for its organisational structure and capability in low intensity warfare, during the nineties. Furthermore, Pelević revealed Arkan was actually a teetotaller, so whoever is imagining a Serbian Tony Montana in their mind is going to be sorely disappointed!
@BaikalTii
@BaikalTii Месяц назад
Бог је Србин
@PeroZderoPeroZdero
@PeroZderoPeroZdero Месяц назад
Bog je Ustaša
@kaznjenik111
@kaznjenik111 Месяц назад
@@PeroZderoPeroZdero ahahah
@agorist.boogaloo
@agorist.boogaloo 24 дня назад
Ne lupaj
@ciddoctor6993
@ciddoctor6993 Месяц назад
Yt keeps kicking my sub to you off. Don't worry I check occasionally.
@GospodinFantazmo
@GospodinFantazmo 19 дней назад
Лепо речено Боки
@siegeheavenly3601
@siegeheavenly3601 Месяц назад
I dont know what it is but Bojan pronouncing war with his accent sounds like he's saying vore.
@randomuser12237
@randomuser12237 Месяц назад
Ew wut is wrong whit you
@DoIoannToKnow
@DoIoannToKnow Месяц назад
imagine trying to say a letter that does not exist, and then pronounce it. then you will understand
@cerebrummaximus3762
@cerebrummaximus3762 Месяц назад
Are you saying this in a bad way? I personally appreciate it. Fun fact: English is near-unique in pronouncing "w" that way. Most European languages say it as a "v" (eg: German, Polish), so Bojan's pronunciation is the logical one.
@robertwaguespack9414
@robertwaguespack9414 Месяц назад
I think that it is hypocritical of you to condemn the Catholic Church for the evil of the ustase (that Cardinal Stepanic condemned) while the Serbians did many bad things.
@BanterWithBojan
@BanterWithBojan Месяц назад
Which priests did the bad things? Did the Orthodox Church help them escape? How many Orthodox priests slaughtered Croatian children? Did the Serbs have a concentration camp for Croat children?
@user-ny6yk7ho1m
@user-ny6yk7ho1m Месяц назад
Appears to me like you don't know what you're talking about my american friend
@bezimenkostotebrigovic5149
@bezimenkostotebrigovic5149 Месяц назад
Buahahahaha
@OrthoChi20
@OrthoChi20 Месяц назад
Why don’t you look up what happened in Jasenovac and all the genocide committed against Serbs by the Ustaša and blessed by the RCC?
@robertwaguespack9414
@robertwaguespack9414 Месяц назад
@@OrthoChi20 the Catholic Church did not bless the ustasa.
@Flammenhagel
@Flammenhagel Месяц назад
I am orthodox and I am communist
@user-un1ld9nh4l
@user-un1ld9nh4l Месяц назад
Yeah, you can be orthodox and be wrong.
@deutschermichel5807
@deutschermichel5807 Месяц назад
I think communism is a sin
@cerebrummaximus3762
@cerebrummaximus3762 Месяц назад
Please keep your political views outside the Church. Please base your political views on the Orthodox Christian morality. If you value your political views even remotely close to your value of your faith, you ought to repent. Do not plague pure channels with your nonsense; this is not Reddit.
@MaraJaha-ih3ky
@MaraJaha-ih3ky Месяц назад
That’s impossible. God made difference between rich and poor for a reason. Erasing that would disrupt Gods intention with men. And as we saw throughout history since there’s no blessing on it it collapses.
@Flammenhagel
@Flammenhagel Месяц назад
@@user-un1ld9nh4l Funny seeing all these offended western converts who embrace nationalism, when this was the accepted stance of the russian orthodox church less than a century ago: "I bow on behalf of the Russian Orthodox Church to Stalin's dear body." ~Patriarch Alexy "Stalin preserved the church of Christ; I bow low to Stalin" ~St. Luke the Surgeon
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