Should We Become Eastern Orthodox? - Answering Trent Horn 

A great video for Roman Catholics who are now discovering Eastern Orthodoxy.

I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic school till high school. These arguments never made sense to me. Always rubbed me the wrong way. I thank God that He led me to Holy Orthodoxy. 🙏🏻☦️

Father Peter Heers, I want to say thank you for what you do here at Orthodox Ethos. Because of Orthodox Ethos and various Orthodox apologetics I am on my way to become an Eastern Orthodox Christian.. I was born and raised a Sunni Muslim, but I left Islam, after seeing it is a heresy. After leaving Islam, I still yearned for God and His Truth. I sought Him in Protestant “Christianity” and was left so confused. Over a 40,000+ denominations, all teachings different doctrines while also claiming to go by “Bible only”. I sought for more structure and liturgy and I studied Roman Catholicism (and for a short period within that, Eastern Catholicism). For a time I found stability in Catholicism, visited some Roman Catholic churches. I thought “Yes, I will become Roman Catholic.” It was definitely far more organized than Protestantism. But in Roman Catholicism, I found the faith to be extremely watered down. The Liturgy was watered down, (Novus Ordo feels like a Protestant service to be quite frank), the sacraments watered down, etc I also found Catholic doctrines (indulgences, mysticism, purgatory) no basis in early Christianity. Roman Catholicism updates itself like technology to catch up with modern times… I also had a major problem with Roman Catholic mysticism. “The Virgin Mary appeared to me and told me [insert new devotion]”. Or “The Virgin Mary appeared to me and told me [insert prophecy].” (The prophecies don’t happen, take Fatima and conversion of Russia). To me, I honestly found it a bit creepy, especially with Medjugorje. So many Catholic approved devotions (Rosary, Divine Mercy, Sacred Heart, Miraculous Medal, etc) are all based on alleged apparitions that have no basis in early Christianity. Comparing this Orthodox spirituality, I found it to be much more edifying, ancient, realistic, and Christian. And on the papacy, I simply will say this: The concept may look nice on paper, of having one person in charge of defining doctrine and morals, perfectly. But Jesus is the Head, Jesus defines doctrine and the Holy Ghost protects the Church, from error (as Scripture states). What happens when a pope promotes or defines error? (Has happened multiple times.) What happens when 3 people claim to be pope at the same time? (Has happened in history). The Church isn’t a business, the Church is a Home for Christians. The Blessed Mother, Holy Theotokos, I find her to be properly revered in Orthodoxy. She is not an ordinary unimportant woman as Protestants claim she is, nor is she a semi-goddess as Roman catholics make her be with various devotions and titles they’ve given her, rather she is Holy Theotokos, interceding for us to Christ, guiding us loving through our spiritual journey. “Our hearts are restless until they rest in Thee”, Saint Augustine I find rest in Orthodox Church, Thank you Orthodox Ethos for your content. Christos Anesti!

For the first 1000 years we were the same church. Peter belongs to the Eastern Church just as much as Rome.

I've been attending an Orthodox church for over 2 years, and this video was so helpful for me as a former protestant. Thank you, Father, for this video.

His bias is so clear when he interprets decentralization as "fragmentation".

Many Catholics after Vat II, have been subjected to watered down masses and poorly catechized. I had no clue personally about the RCC when I started on my journey , but once cracks started to appear and after 4 years of turmoil, I made my way into the Orthodox church. I think that the problem is, the Orthodox church is the best kept secret is why many wound up in the RCC.

Very good broadcast. The Host of this broadcast did quite well, elucidate the Orthodox Christian Faith of the Councils. Δοξα το Θεο. I highly recommend this broadcast for anyone, Roman Catholics, Protestants, Baptists, Atheist, Diest, Pagan.

People who say the Orthodox Church is "split" or "fragmented" obviously are completely ignorant of the Orthodox life and community

How was Peter infallible? Paul himself called Peter out.

Fr. Peter, THANK YOU for stating the truth in such clarity. When one of the apostles ask Jesus who they were to go to, he didn't say Peter, he said they should go to James the Just.

"Catholics are always looking for a pope." -- V. Rev. Fr. John Matusiak of blessed memory, who brought hundreds of Catholics into the Orthodox Church. His mother was the first. Catholics gloss over the First Council in Jerusalem and the Canons of the 1st Millenium.

Peter estabishes the church of Antioch then goes to Rome Rome kills Peter "We own Christianity now" "We got Peter's keys,"🤦‍♂️

When I was Catholic, if I had to go to another parish for mass, I’d be anxious about what kind of mass I’d be attending. As a matter of fact, if I’d go to another mass in my own parish it could be so strikingly different from my usual one that I’d be pressed to believe that it was the same parish and the same priest, alas the same church. As an orthodox, I’ve been to liturgies in other parishes of other patriarchates in different countries and found the very same liturgy. So much for the central authority of Rome.

I have heard so many unjust slanders against Fr. Peter; both against his views and praxis. Yet I, and many others, have been blessed for the Orthodox Ethos’ edifying material and content. Orthodoxy as a whole is very small on the internet, and it can be difficult to find insight into very important matters, but Fr Peter’s work has helped me, and many others, tremendously. ~ O Lord Jesus Christ, enkindle the hearts of all Thy priests with the fire of zealous love for Thee, that they may ever seek Thy glory; Give them strength that they may labor unceasingly in Thine earthly vineyard for the salvation of our souls and the glory of Thine All-Honorable and Majestic Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, now and ever, and unto ages of ages. Amen.

Only Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever - not Peter.

Brilliant point- I never realized until now that the RCC is more like a business organization. I’ve been thinking for several years tho’ how enmeshed it is with the secular world.

O Lord, save Thy people, and bless Thine inheritance! ☦️

I believe Saint Peter is praying for the Papal Protestants enlightenment, because many are coming to the Body of Christ, the Orthodox Church. 🙏🏻

The lack of humility in the RC, which is the essence of Christian teaching, is astounding

"Popes can make mistakes". There is huuuuuuggggeee leap from "mistake" to "heresy". Saying that the current pope makes mistakes is like saying that a con artist may have confused some people.

Fragmentation on steroids in Western “Christendom.” We feel your frustration Fr Peter! Their whole rationalistic, progressive mindset blinds them from being able to understand the unified Orthodox Ethos! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

I like how you pointed out fr peter that that he was trying to equate honor with infallibility somehow as if the leap from one to the other somehow should be obvious to all

As a Protestant I realize Orthodox will disagree with me on much (but I really appreciate the strong responses against the papacy which is something we Protestants and Orthodox agree about).

I was baptized Orthodox 2 years ago. All my life previously I just dismiss all Catholicism as necessarily false because of the demonic Pope. I didn't know about orthodoxy and I didn't know about history

Trent is a bright guy but VERY muddled on the subject of ecclesiology. The RCC has diluted the liturgy and teaching on faith and morals - the Orthodox Church HAS NOT. So what system actually works?? I was Roman Catholic now very happily Orthodox - thanks be to God!!

I was Catholic. I’m going to become a catechumen in the Eastern Orthodox Church tomorrow. Looking forward to this new chapter in my walk with Christ.

Human organizations have existed in a multitude of power structures from Judges, Monarchy, Oligarchy, Democracy etc. Fallacy in the very beginning from Trent.

Well said ☦️☦️☦️

Should we be come orthodox...yes definitely..I'm in the process of converting, and recommending to my family, I lived a secular life,an was baptized as RC as a baby but it never spoke to my heart like orthodoxy 🙏☦️

Huh! Very good points, father! +

If we had a council, the Pop would not be allowed to attend.

To give one man power is asking for that power to be corrupted. The English St Bede (died AD 735) wrote "although it may seem that this power of loosing and binding was given by The Lord to Peter, we know without any doubt that it was also given to the other apostles as Christ himself testifies when after the triumph and passion of his resurrection, He appeared to them and breathed upon them and said to them "all, receive ye the Holy Spirit, if ye forgive the sins of any they are forgiven to them. If ye retain the sins of any, they are retained". Therefore all the apostles and their successors are equal, working together in a conciliar fashion - or should have remained so if Rome had not got ahead of itself and seized supreme power. I do hope Trent Horn watches this video of yours Father. He is one of the most moderate and intelligent Catholic apologists and I was surprised at his reaction here.

Thank you for taking your time to share your knowledge on these videos as they are so important for men in your historical position/knowledge to break it down for us to know the whole picture❤️

It is weird! I feel like I’ve waited all my life to hear you defend Holy Orthodoxy like this! Finally!!! No legalism. Only guidance by the Holy Spirit and cleaving to the faithful Saints throughout history…

If the gospel was "the kingdom of heaven is at hand" and christ is the king, doesnt that make the church the kingdom of heaven, and christ the one annoited to be king? I mean his title means anoited one. Anoited for what? Christ is the head of the church, making the modern papacy a userpation of Christs place.

Yes, come home to Orthodoxy ☦️

Great points, all very true. Stated respectfully too.

Fr. Peter Heers must have supernatural patience ---- to be able to listen to this Trent Horn guy!

I'd like to see you answer Gavin Ortlund on icons by showing large scale evidence of Icon veneration before Nicea and offer evidence to how we know the early church was completely against icons

I SO appreciate the gift of discernment and explaining it that Fr. Peter Heers has!

This is great to see you so publicly addressing RC polemics against orthodoxy. This is a powerful video. God bless.

I want to be an orthodox priest

I love everyone. I pray for unity

Like with atheists, until they can accept a single idea, everything said is pearls before swine. Atheists must first come to accept the possibility of a god to convert, papists must first come to the understanding of the hierarchy of jurisdictions to understand the position and proper place of the pope.

I hit the “like” on this and received a notification that “that action is disabled”. Is this an algorithm thing? Won’t hitting “like” bring more OE content to my channel? 🤔

14:15 Yes. Let's have a debate about who is to be called first in the Kingdom. That hasn't been settled before

Trent At about 19 minutes he does a a slight of hand spin in which he says Paul rebuking Peter was to show that Paul is willing to rebuke the pope i.e the one with most authority 😆

20:41 Trent says not as a tyrant, and yet we have the history of the history of the schismatic Papacy. Literally declaring wars at times and making kingdoms subject to his power.

Thank you for this!

Who is the shepherd of the Church? Christ. He is the head. All the bishops, priests, and deacons are his servants. Again and again, they repeat that the pope somehow unites the church, but in actual practice the Roman Papist church is completely fragmented and it is their popes that have largely caused this disunity.

I’m a former Protestant who has come to the realization the Orthodox Church is the true Church. With that being said, it was not easy and those without the time and intellect to absorb the information will have a difficult time deciding between Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism as there are several Catholic apologists who make much better arguments than Trent. My heart tells me God is not going to require a theological test to determine we were in the correct Apostolic Church when we come before him. But the more we know, the more accountable we may be held. I may be wrong….

I would love to convert but where I am, the EOC has no meaningful presence at all. So, effectively, I'm no longer aligned with any church. Formally Catholic, but realistically, given recent events, no more.

The devil 😈 has caused so much division. I pray for union ❤☦️

Thanks!

You don't even need to compare Catholicism to Orthodoxy. Just compare Catholicism to itself. Catholicism is self contradicting, constantly evolving and chaotic.

An argument from silence is a logical fallacy! “Notice what Jesus doesn’t say…He doesn’t say there isn’t anyone that is greater than the others…”

Hey I have a question, is the things that Orthoprax christianity is teaching abt orthodoxy true?

Do Catholics believe that Matthew 16:13-20 confirms Peter as the Rock of the Church? I understand Matthew was written in Hebrew, but I have understood the English translation confirms Christ, Son of the Living God is the Rock of the Church. Am I incorrect? What is the Orthodox and correct teaching?

Father, will you have an actual discussion with Trent Horn? Or any Catholic? I may be mistaken, but I've never seen you talk WITH a Catholic. Just about Catholics. Correct me if I am mistaken. God bless you.

15:00 Who could claim Judas was an unimportant disciple? He is a major plot point. Maybe "least honored"

Yes, yes you should.

I'm just a protestant listening in. But comes to mind, as Trent is clinging to Peter. If Peter was supremo over all, why did Paul boldly rebuke him. Infallible, mmmok 😮

Matt from pints and Trent are both eastern Catholics. So it’s kinda bit different with them.

The fragmentation is the purpose of the pope.

100%

You deserve more likes on this video than pints with aquinas got on their video you reviewed.

☦️ “GLORY TO JESUS CHRIST” ! THIS IS WHY AN TRUE EXORCISM CAN ONLY BE DONE BY AN ORTHODOX PRIEST OR BISHOP, A TRUE EXORCISM CAN NEVER BE DONE BY ANYONE OUTSIDE THE ORTHODOX CHURCH BECAUSE “SATAN CANNOT CAST OUT SATAN” !!!!!!!! AMEN. ☦️🫵

Well, Trent is right that there is one Man that’s the head of the Church… He’s just wrong about who He is! (I know he would grant this point, but it still stands.)

I like that you mentioned that the pope should come back to the faith. It really would just take the one man to bring the whole faith together 😂😭

He really slipped in the word “special” there at 20:34 without proving it in any way 😭

From the vision of Saint Niphon: "Then came in the large crowd of the people that did not know Jesus Christ, but they kept His law anyway, listening to the Holy Spirit and their good conscience. Many of them were shining as bright as the sun in their innocence and purity, and The Lord gave them Paradise and beautiful bright crowns with roses and lilies. But these people were all blind because they haven’t been holied in the holy Baptism. Because in spirit the Baptism is light and the sight of the soul. They could not see at all the Greatness of God. This is why whoever is not baptized, even if they make it to heavens, they cannot see a thing."

22:00 this is like six flags.

7:06 THIS is the reason to become Orthodox: nothing changes. I am in my current doubt of Protestantism because it keeps changing and evolving and "progressing". I need stasis.

He does not even know how to say "πρώτος" and he is trying to extrapolate and read things into the Scriptures. By the way we have always called Peter the most high among the Apostles or in Greek "κορυφαίος" .

Didn’t seventh ecumenical council teach filioque and pope supremacy

orthodoxy: 12 apostles without Peter. Incomplete.

Fr. Petros, I think you are WRONG, ALL The Ecumenical Councils "WERE" call by The Emperors, what does The Monks at St. Anthony's Greek Orthodox Monastary/Athos have to day about that, your statement that "The Emperors" don't have to call The Council are your own personal opinion NOT Traditional, again what does The Monks from Athos AND St. Anthony's Greek Orthodox Monastary have to say about that🤔🤔🤔

No sincere person can remain or become latin protestant or luther line protestant. It's a matter of wickedness of the heart

Gay Catholic babylon

But i became Catholic after finding that orthodox is not catholic (universal) in nature.

Taking pride in an ignorant “stasis” is delusional to the fact the church is living and growing. You’re as good as Protestant without Peter’s authority, except other than scripture, you also have some councils. While Christs church continues to grow and fight back against the devil, yours will simply do its best to endure. Let me know if you’d like me to elaborate

Trent is very smart but this is a bad approach.

catholics seek the pope not God.

The problem that the Orthodox have to solve is what is an ecumenical council? What determines an ecumenical? I’m sorry but this material that you are giving is very very weak.

Short answer: no.