Serj Tankian Calls Out System Of A Down Bandmate Over Equal Pay | Rock Feed 

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Rock Feed neither both need to just drop the childish shit and makeup 😥

Serj

I want to hear from Shavo

LMAO

Its alright they hypnotized you into doing

@@Tevindenzell19 That's toxic.

Im mesmerized by these comment

I love this community

BloodySabbath88 Same but it didn’t really surprise me very much, I can hear it in those albums when I listen to them.

Me too cuz i listen to those albums the most along with the toxicity album

It confirmed the weird empty feeling I got when listening to those albums after toxicity.....

those records had a lot of differences with the previous ones, i don't relly like them tbh

Would have been a damn shame if we never got "sad statue " "tentative " or "holy mountains "

Who was the interview with?

Joe Rogan

Regardless in musical tastes, RHCP are the same way. They have been through a lot of members but are close to doing it for 30 years. Billy Corgan was a tyrant and kept most of smashing pumpkins music. Now he appears on Alex Jones.

@@ryan9891 billy corgan wrote all the music, so he gets more by law

He gets more by law because he disnt give writing credits, it doesn't matter who wrote the song, but who got credits. Yes, he did virtually all the writing. Yes, he drove that band into the ground. He is a great songwriter but a shitty band mate and human.

The Egg why...

@@sweetrocks610 are you not a soad fan?

Bryan I am. Just the pun was awful

@@sweetrocks610 100+disagree XD

Chu Char i guess this truly is Darons loneliest day

Panu Salin or just simply, Lonely Decade

You f**kholes that is a great song and this mans comment is fantastic.

The 10-Year Itch

@@blehe38 "Never Scratched"

SkorpionPlays just make an album. 2 songs each member wants to make and 3 songs they can agree on! Too messy? Maybe.

SkorpionPlays thatd be a perfect title right now for an angry album lol

that could be a geat name for a new album, after they reunite ofcourse

Maybe "Duality"

Lol system of a down st. Anger

Amen

Maybe for System of a Down as a whole but individually that band has some serious talent and Darren very much adds ALOT to most of his vocals Darren is always behind

@@stevengonzalez8546 daren's solo shit sucks tho

@@castleman213 your opinion sucks

more then his voice, his lyrics. daron's lyrics are sad words compared to serj's.

Yep. He's basically saying he wants to right about half the album since he does half the vocals. Also he seems to be more for equal pay. Darren however (If Serj is being 100% honest) wants to be in creative control of the album and get paid more For being in creative control. It's like saying "I want us all to do things My way. Also since we're doing things My way, I should get paid the most because I am doing the most."

I_Am_Dragoon that’s the problem. Serj shouldn’t do half the vocals. He should do all the vocals and Daron be a background singer like he was in the first 3 albums. Serj is the lead singer. Why should the guitarist have half the vocals? That leaves Serj on stage standing when Daron is singing. At least Daron can shred his guitar while Serj is singing.

@@ZombieRoca True, and I get that... But with them coming back together after both of them went and made careers on their own lyrics, then it would be understandable for them to do a 50/50 split. Serj leads the vocals on half, Darren makes his songs where he has the lead, and some songs where they co-write and split it. Because Darren has his own band, I wouldn't expect him to Completely give up the reins. I think it's a fair compromise... Darren however seems to have a bit too much ego for that though...

@ZombieRoca I agree with you 1000%. This is the exact same thing that happened with Alice in Chains, where Jerry Cantrell was pretty much in the same role as Daron -- he too decided he needed to be a 50% frontman, even though he was in a band with a ridiculously talented and unique singer. I agree the band works best when Daron is basically to SOAD what Flavor Flav is to Public Enemy: an ingredient that shakes things up for a moment, but not an equal frontman to Chuck D. Not sure if there's still tension, but I just saw System of a Down last week in San Diego, and they were still at the top of their game.

Mark C saw them in San Bernardino and they were great! Serj has amazing vocals and it’s a shame people think he can’t sing just because he doesn’t scream like he used too.

Rob Jennings damn straight dude

Metallica tried that and the result was St. Anger, so it's not a really good idea lol

At this point I would take a documentary about them making a new album no matter the outcome

some kind of monster ! XD

The result of St. Anger is them coming together and resolving issues as they made the album. Implying St. Anger was atrocious, I whole-heartily disagree. St. Anger is their best album, and last best album in my opinion. Death Magnetic and Hardwired feel forced, hence this long wait between albums now. They have to get the vibe and see how they can make the kind of music fans want to hear. St. Anger was them not caring, just making what they wanted to make. And I certainly believe, that is their best album. They did what their hearts wanted to speak out. And it bloody worked. Without St. Anger, the band Metallica as we know today, would have long been gone.

Hope dies the last....

Karpaslatka i dont think that that kind of attitude will make the band even want to make a new ablm for us. However i an very pleased that serj stood up for his actions and is willing to work with the other band mates to make a new ablm

haha, you didn't realise this like 10 years ago ?

Depends on how bad it gets. Right now there is still a small chance because they are at least being respectful to each other but if Daron, Shavo or John see this and respond and it just keeps going back and fourth until it's a big feud then there is probably no chance which sucks because System still has it's original line up all alive and there are a lot of bands right now that can't have the original line up because of feuds or members dying. We never got to see Pantera reunite for example and now we never will.

Karpaslatka Personally, I think this may be what helps. Open honesty and dialogue. It has taken years for them to feel comfortable enough to publicly say something about what transpired. This may help them realize each other's point of view and be able to get on with it, move forward.

I mostly agree. I'll always be a fan, but I moved on to other bands and genres. I don't really need another SOAD in my collection.

Zhoniin I mean just look at Metallica. Hardwired while not being a bad album. It wasn’t super good

I feel the same. If there is turmoil or dissatisfaction between bandmates, then I don't want them to try and force new music. What they've done is good enough for me.

@@DanDeeg78 I disagree. SOAD would be one of the few bands who could continue making good music into old age.

@@grubbybum3614 I feel if there was equal creativity on said hypothetical album, then yeah. I feel like what made Soad so good, was the combination of their styles together. They all bring something special when they play. I've listened to some of darons and Serjs solo work, and while its still enjoyable, it doesnt quite hit the mark with me. I think it's sad that they couldn't allow a more equal input with the music. I'd really only want an album by them that they all felt passionate about. But at this point, it's hard to see that happening.

Lmao

Lol

*EAT YOUR DAMN CHOP SUEY TIMOTHY!*

It's not your fault, don't worry. Go back to your room, little bro. They're just having a little dispute. Nothing to worry about. Lol

Which one's mummy which one's daddy

Michael Floyd they made music themselves, using hard work and talent; they weren't born with a silver spoon; they didn't use and abuse anybody to be where they are today. You can have money and still be a good person, still have principles.

Eric-Alexandre Rousseau Simard That’s a matter of perspective. You can (and should) try and act like a good person no matter what. But there will always be someone you have wronged, either knowingly or not. It’s just what perspective your looking at the situation from.

Michael Floyd I was thinking the same thing

Eric-Alexandre Rousseau Simard missed the point. Sings anti capitalism yet fighting over capital.

They can be critical of capitalism, but are still part of a capitalist system. Money makes the world go round, even if they don't want it to

Do you remember which live that was?

Any live footage of that?

@@KingBowserVlog I last saw it on MTV2. Was an indoor stadium but I cannot remember what year

@@zombiewafle 2001 lowlands concert?

@@zombiewafle Are you talking about the 2$ bill 2005 MTV concert?

without Serj singing SOAD wouldn't be SOAD

Mesmerize and hypnotize were half wack, and that’s on Daron

Austin Amen!

Smart guy

Whether or not I like the style of music some of these guys have done alone i cant imagine anything they put out being shit. Maybe that's just me though.

EvoK Ironman Just you. They suck

Exactly

Espacialy the payment part. Every member of the band should get the same. A good band is unit, no individuals...

Yea I think it really says something when Serj, whom I think many would agree is the most prominent member of the band, is the one that is stressing equal pay.

Bands are NEVER equal...there is always one or two members who emerge as the main creative force, the visionary who produces the true voice of the band. There needs to be a singular unifying vision...without it, you wind up with a mishmash of disparate ideas that will never gel, and a band without an identity. When it comes down to who gets paid what in a band, it should be broken down like this: for live performances, all members pull equal pay, as they are all integral parts of the whole. Recorded performances, band members get paid in proportion to their creative input. Song writers, producers and engineers within the band get paid according to their contributions, with band members whose job is to learn parts that were written for them and play them on the recording are merely filling a role and not actually contributing much, so they get paid much less. Why should someone who contributes almost nothing be paid the same as someone whose creative energy, songwriting skill and hours of hard work define what the band is? I understand Serj wanting an equal voice in SOAD...he has emerged as a great songwriter in his own right and deserves to contribute. But the whole notion that everyone in the band should be paid equally for the efforts of the few? That's completely unfair to those who work much harder to make the band great!

Bands are never equal because there's always 1 or 2 assholes who want to take credit for everything and shit on everyone else due to their over inflated ego. Truth.

He sounds as much of a diva as he claims Daron is

@@Ljounieh Not at all.

Too late for that

This may come as a shock to your enlightened "experience", but music is not a meritocracy. It is entirely subjective and will always remain so.

Angela Bird mesmerize and hypnotize weren't high notes LOL

Matt Wretched so you've been listening to metal since the 70s? Oh good for you. But that doesn't make you right.

Matt Wretched ‘I’ve been listening to and playing music this long, my subjective opinion is more valuable than yours’ is all I read there.

Sam Lowden i agree with u that one guys greed makes a band fall apart however the rest of the band are all on the same side except serj. I dont see this as daron being a control freak since serj is the only one with the problem. I see this as serjs ego taking over cause hes not the biggest member of the band anymore. Everyone is on the same page but serj. This is serjs fault. He doesnt want to make the same music the rest of the band wants. Thats completely ok as well but hes the issue here.

Right on;Faith No More got back together after a 16 year hiatus,and made a kick ass album. Mike Patton works w/ artists who;as he put it,"tend to fall between the cracks",yet was always open and optimistic when asked about a potential FNM reunion. And they didn't have to worry about compromising their music to sell units and satisfy a big record label,since they released Sol Invictus on Ipecac Records,Patton's own label.

THANK YOU! been saying this since STA.

Serj ego? LOL it's his "ego" that makes him want to be an equal member of a band and not Daron's back up dancer? lol gimme a break. just because the other two are fine with doing what Daron tells them to, doesn't mean Serj should just let his creativity get squashed. Maybe you don't know what ego looks like, cause Daron is ALL ego.

Serj used to write most of the lyrics and was THE voice of the band. It was his singing, not Daron's shrill whine, that people got into, and what made the band famous. A band's vocal sound is everything, especially if they want to get mainstream popularity. Serj was a massive part of that. All he's asking, is for any future album to NOT be like Mesermize and Hypnotize were: the Daron Malakian show.

I agree with this very much and also toxicity was my fav album and still is! Its a good mix of different styles and its one of them albums that you can just put on and not have to skip through a couple track. Bangers from start to finish

Overkill excellent point

Well said. Couldn't agree more.

Scyber_Sounds Of The Future yet tool has still toured

Scyber_Sounds Of The Future plus the reason tool hasn’t made new music is due to lawsuits they were dealing with which hindered them making new music.

Scyber_Sounds Of The Future fuck tool.

They're not beating Mr. Bungle.

Tool and Soad. my 2 former top favorites, in that order... are apparently in competition to becoming #1 dill weed establishment propaganda pansies ~ :-|

Is that a controversial opinion? I thought that was a big part of why people liked them, like Alice In Chains

@@guen4413 well, Daron isn't exactly beloved for his vocals and honestly he was never a very good singer. I've heard a lot of people talk down about SOAD's vocals because of Daron. So I guess I was mainly thinking of that

Jared Hoeft ok I get that. Yeah Daron’s tone is kinda strange but his and Serj’s vocals together sound really great. I still like the songs with just Daron’s vocals though, I think it kinda works with System’s overall style

I found that I enjoy more of their songs when its just Serj singing

System wouldn’t be the same without those harmonies

Question is amazing. I like most of Mezmerize, Hypnotize is just too Daron apart from the title song and Lonely Day.

Black note emplemon was here

FN PHONEY !! TOO BUSY - PUSHIN THE CHRIS CORNELL HOAX !

Black note We're going down, in a spiral to the ground

Ethan Young No one, no one can save us now :(

Symptoms of a downward spiral.

Coldplay has the right idea with pay but the wrong idea with music lol. A horrible band who sounds like a crappy, watered down, pop version of Radiohead.

@@zacharymueller674 can't say im overjoyed with there music ether.

But hey they make hits, and thats what matters..the majority audience ears is the real judge

System of a Down is much better than coldplay

Well, equal pay is a band killer too. Its frustrating when you do pretty much all the work but get equal pay as other band members. Its the same reason that communism doesnt work. Just listen to Scars on broadway songs. Its obvious that 75% of SOAD material are Darons children.

what i dont get is why if they are "fighting" all the time they keep getting together to play SOAD live, it makes no sense

Money is a hell of a motivator

Et Cogito Ergo Sum They have said before that touring is easy because you play your music and enjoy yourself while coming together and trying to agree on new music is hard.

KevinKoolx I have to agree. I'd rather wait for something good that doesn't leave then at each other's throats.

Wait??????????????? Its been 13 years!!!!!!!!!!!! Serj doesnt want to do it period! And will only do it if they change there sound....... Daron doesnt want to change the novelty of the bands sound....... team daron!

Tbh i don't think we would ever get that raw angry sound again anything like it was for the first 2 albums, I'm grateful for what they did too and some things are best left as they were rather than a bs compromise.

Hey, what are you doing here?

@ DaFuq!?Boom! : That right there, is an awesome idea.

That would be great and all, but first you have to get the band to actually want to get into the recording studio together and record an album. which doesn't seem likely....

It's more likely when you realize that SOADs music used to come from a place of deep emotion and anger with how things are. They are men changed by their success and the things they used to be angry about no longer affect them and no longer elicit such strong emotional responses. Their current state, their current struggles, their current sources of frustration and anger however might. If it's music the rest of us can identify with to the point of giving them a commercial success is somewhat questionable however. Still, I'd listen to the album, to understand them better, if nothing else.

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i know your name.

JvRacingVids he is The One Who Knocks

🤣 you dead bro

Heisenberg Lol what? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Heisenberg there's always one

MJNation me too

MJNation you got me dead my dude😂😂😂😂

there’s something wrong with you

I love this cocaine, it makes me feel like I'm actually in the song

HockeyShark *there's nothing wrong with me*

James Bayly self titled is also pretty good

i disagree, darons voice really naturally compliments serj’s. that’s why their voices work so well sharing vocals

Yeah, I don't mind Daron getting some time on the spotlight like he did every now and then. But Serj's job in the band is being the vocalist. Why should Daron hog it all up when he's already writing the riffs, melodies and structure?

Mezmerize is my favorite System Of A Down album. :)

@@MiasChannel100 I think so too but to a degree. I like when serj is the main singer along with some harmony from daron. Or when daron does intros.

Beanie Draws fans pay money. That's what they want so I think it should happen regardless

Josh Lyons thats dumb... What next a transgender super hero cuz the "FANS" want it?

Fans are the reason these bands and artists make money. If they want to make money, they will do it. Capitalism trumps all

Gonna happen in 25 years

Josh Lyons goes to show how much you like SOAD if you think the whole point was just "money"

I mean Serj explained it perfectly he doesn't wanna be in a band where some have more control than others. And I applaude him for it. As you said, bands are supposed to be like friends/family. That requires equality. If Daron wanted more money/artistic control/press coverage than everyone else it's totally reasonable that Serj wanted to leave the band

Genius, my dude.

System now'a done

Lol

Rekt

Their probably done with albums but they still do shows here & there, they got a couple coming up in October

I've always felt like he was a bit of a douche.

Tolyngee have you listen to Serj solo music? And Daron solo music? Well maybe if Daron wasnt a control freak or a douche, the music from SOAD would have been like what Serj music is now days and i rather stay with the soud Daron gives to the band, but thats just my opinion

Lizzard Kraken imo I don't think SOAD would be them without the individual sound each member brings. All of them have such a crazy unique sound that meshes so well

+Lizzard Kracken Or you know..it would be like the first few albums where all of them collaborated equally.

I think they both have legitimate points, but I'm siding more with Serj here, I feel like on hypnotize/mesmerize, you can hear way more of Daron's influence and control on the music, maybe to the point of pushing it in a bad direction (I do love those albums though).

Yeah exactly. That’s the whole point of being in a band instead of just being a solo artist.

Except Serj is the reason you recognize SOAD the moment you hear it. He’s the crucial link between the heavy music and mainstream appeal. I may not agree with it on certain terms but I can understand it from a business perspective.

Ghost of Mr. Problematic no. is flo in a band that performs and works projects together? shes an actress, paid to act out a script. one band member is no more important than another. its a group effort to produce music, not recite what has been produced and handed to you by a company.

Ghost of Mr. Problematic Wow, you've proved your point lmao.

ClandestineGirl16X they literally just said they had to beg Serj to make Hypnotize and Mesmerize. LOL Serj = Flo 100% confirmed 😎😎

KrimsonSkies ..political sentiment is a wonderful thing, true conviction is something different altogether.

That’s called “being a hypocrite”

Anti-capitalism sells to the socialist teenagers. It’s the same with bands like Rage. Doesn’t mean they’re actually anti-capitalism. It’s all an act.

C.R.E.A.M BABY!!!!!

KrimsonSkies it is ironic, of all the bands in the world, I would have just assumed these guys agreed to equal pay

SINISTER MOB sorry you got tricked by one of the most overrated, meager band ever to come out of the late 90s early 2000s. Hahaha sorry bro you got tricked son!

Twobarpsi The first two SOAD cds are straight up masterpieces. The rest really aren't that special. The first two are magic though.

Steal This Album was the tits though

The first three...

Definitely

Exactly! I love soad too and maybe even them only having 4 albums is what makes listening to them more special

Guess you could say its a bit 'Tentative'

Where do they expect us to go when the bombs fall?

Someone had an ego brain

lol

I have alot of Questions ?

It’s even crazier when you just REALLY started listening to them and are slowly picking up these dumb reasons as to why they haven’t made consistent music

Callum Kenny- That's how it always seemed to me too. Daron all of a sudden was the co-lead singer and it felt like his ego blew up. Still like those albums but I'm not surprised at all at what Serj is saying here.

This. Daron's ego is insane. You could see it through the whole "mesmerise/hypnotise" phase.

Callum Kenny I agree 100%.

Kitsune Metal Reloaded ya think?

All I understood was that Dorian from words of serj say that Dorian always wanted to lead the band at his way. I think serj is all right in here the band should be equal. N they should agree on how they going make music.

omar moran System has always been Daron's band, he is the main driving force for the band's sound and direction. And Serj even said that he didn't mind Daron singing more and was happy that he was around 05/06

But there nothing to not believe... media reporting sucks but if you read Daron's interviewing and Serj's statement they're both on the same page and both saying the same things. It doesn't seem to read as if anyone is trying to throw anyone else under the bus. they just can't agree on how they want the album to sound and the songs they wan't to put on it, so they're not making an album right now. Seems pretty fair to me.

Kitsune Metal Reloaded It seems this dispute is public for a reason. Maybe they both really want to do a record but they never really discuss these issues in person. Going on record so everyone can see for themselves, I believe will only strengthen the band with time. Very similar to Some Kind Of Monster DVD with Metallica. Hopefully this will only strengthen their friendships and bond as a band. It might seem like it's over for SOAD, but this might be the start for something great to happen.

PaleBlueDot exactly. You can bring in all the ideas you want, but ultimately things still get changed. If there's that much of a disconnect that they can't write together then there's really no use waiting for a new album.

Discord gives birth to great angst & passion in music...if U can keep it together & not come to blows. R&R

PaleBlueDot then say something positive to help them work out there differences instead of being negative and not having any hope for them

Finally someone got it.

Actually this isn't true. Disagreements and bad chemistry actually CAN lead to an amazing album, but they absolutely NEED to push themselves to finish it rather than give up when things dont go their way. Look at the album Saturday Night Wrist by Deftones. It was an amazing album by them but it nearly split the band up because of creative differences, but even though they disagreed on a lot of things with each other, and may not have particularly been happy with things in each song, the end result was one of their most unique albums that was widely praised. Those differences being smashed against each other can create things incredibly unique.

K.I.Z Of A Down I agree completely, there's no point if they're not on the same page.

When did Serj say that he is not interested in metal? What he said was that he wants the money and creative control to be shared equally between the band members. He wants to make a new SOAD album but he has to make sure that Daron doesn’t have full control over everything.

Meccarox I think he said it in an interview. I forgot wich one and can't even remember if it was a RU-vid-video or not. This guy grew up listening to classic and armenian music. He just came to Metal cause of some people he knew. But he has never been a Metalhead.

Meccarox Exactly! Daron said in his statement that he already had an album ready for System. That’s exactly what Serj doesn’t want... he doesn’t want Daron to be the one to say and do everything.

K.I.Z Of A Down gay

Hahah why does this seem so accurate 😂

There is no I in Eye serj is weird man.

He seems reasonable.

Tolyngee I needed that laugh

alak58 you do realize that was a joke right?

lmao

Slipknot didnt really love each other while making Self titled and Iowa, and those are their best albums

alak58 Obvious joke..

A band about equality, wanting equal pay. No irony there.

Hermit Wizard -They are all Multiple Millionaires. Which is fine - as they are all quite superb artists and they worked v. hard for it. But just to put some perspective on it.

@@five5x they are the best, i guess

@Burt Gummer lmao they are far from communist. Please don't listen to the band. They are against what capitalism does. What is shown here in this video, IS EXACTLY WHAT CAPITALISM DOES. You start thinking you deserve more even when you are under equal collaboration, you get greedy. They aren't communist, they are anti-capitalist, i.e. capitalism only situations. Just cause you aren't on the left doesn't mean you are on the right genius. You CAN BE indifferent to systems and also be against one of them that is for sure destroys the world. The band was working for equal pay to all the members to avoid egoism generated by money.

@Burt Gummer actually, the U.S. got rich off slave induced labor. Not because of strategic maneuvering. That same money has aslo just been passed all around the inside of the exact same family that use to own the slaves themselves, with the exeption of a few families that were close enough to also benefit. When it comes to the U.S. itself as a whole, we've basically failed at every attempt to create revenue. Of course sorts shouldn't be brought up in this conversation due to being controlled by their owm organizations and not as the US Itself. Sadly, the only times the US has actually made its very own money without salve labor was in fact through illegal and undercover drug distribution/ manufacturing. Which in its own way reverts almost all the way back to slave labour due to the elaborate scheme involving the intent to not only manufacture/ transport the drugs, and essentially target lower class income familes and areas, this was also a segregation effort. Main targeted areas were those that contained minorities over white's. With this they basically could control who would have access to the drugs due to higher white class citizens would have to travel to lower class eras. Also, they managed to keep African Americans in a new form of slave labour, by reaching out to organized, structured And primarily black gangs all over America they worked out deals to supply the gangs with the drugs and have them believe they'd be making only a percentage, when in fact, after giving them the drugs, they could sit and wait for revenue to accumulate, then use cops to arrests the same gang memebers, in return confiscating the money as a whole (including whatever percentage was agreed on and also the profits of the dealer, also taking possession of cars and whatever else could have arguably "may or may not" been acquired with drug money, and in fact putting the same drugs back on the street in the hands of another dealer in time. Guess what? Still not finished, on top of all that money literally being freely brought in without effort they also continue to make money off of you while you serve your time and im fact freely hand out extensions to inmates for the smallest of reasons, but they also deny many to leave even after showing change and improvent. They've also shapped our econemy system and lavor requirements, making most charges involving drug dealing a felony level offence and ny making most jobs deney felonies altogether. They are left with little to no choice at all. This is in fact a new age salvory system without the harm of actually owning slaves or slaves not knowing they are owned. In closing, its come to show America's values haven't changed much at all nor has the shift of power amoung citizenship. Nobles still greatly benefit from the labour and even lives of the lowerclassmen, rather than tipping the scales in favor of equality and opportunity for all, we've mearly provided the illusion of the scales, and intentions for equality, combined with a system built and designed to pride the illusion of choice. If I want you to go right without making you I'll simply make it hard to go left, and easy to go right, and/or secretly take left away and replace it with simply a curve that looks to lead left, but infact wraps back around and leads you right in the end .

Lol

👏🏽👏🏽 brilliant !!

lol so true

But the album is gonna suck after that tho

And they lose the bassist, "he left the fokin band"

We all are homie...almost 20 years now...

They really should get back together and make something. That would be a dream come true.

Why? Trevor Dunn/Patton have gone on record many times over the years saying there'll never be another record.

There just having a break

Haha.. you may be waiting a while!!!

crocadile4 Attack is a good song.

anything that isnt somehing like the first three albums, i wouldnt care tbh

So is Dreaming, I liked all the songs on those albums but Dreaming seems like a Serj song to me.

Yeah, Serj looked really bored live back in 2005. (Mezmerize/hypnotize era)

Karpaslatka Agreed...honestly it's a shame

the band is committing hararkiri

No I think they’re slowly getting better, you can tell the band members are trying to work things out, and I think they will eventually

Lord Zaber #2 I’ve tried to stay optimistic about it for so long its insane, I don’t think its ever going to happen

Slowly lol This band died after Hypnotize and when Sej did those terrible solo albums

Division1Productions true but who has the voice Serj

voice doesn't pay. everyone has a voice so "the voice" could be anyone. The song is foundation of the industry, no song - no artists - no music - no payment. this is why the songwriter gets a lot more royalties, after all, the art that is the song has been created by the songwriter. no one else can claim this.

Whereas on System of a Down's previous albums most of the lyrics were written and sung by Tankian and the music was co-written by Tankian and Malakian (and sometimes Odadjian), much of the music and lyrics on Mezmerize/Hypnotize were written by Malakian who also took on a much more dominant role as vocalist on both ... On that note and since he didn’t really hynotize/Mezmerize makes since why he didn’t really write it

Except SOAD was at it's prime when Daron AND Serj co-wrote (Along with the occasional Shavo) the songs, for the first 3 albums. Daron ultimately took over the writing process of the last 2 albums, which are EASILY their worst material.

+Lumos Sir Get real the voice can't be anyone. Writers get swapped all the time, to mixed results. Establish voices of a band, or actors of a series are almost impossible to replace without destroying the project. It may not be fair but that's how it is.

Every SOAD album has been totally different to one another, it seems like both Daron and Serj have huge egos

Serj has a huge ego. Daron is a humble kid at heart who loves playing and writing music. That's it.

They both have massive egos. Just look at Serj's solo album artwork. He views himself as some sort of cult leader. Don't get me wrong, I love his music and the causes he supports, but Serj himself seems like he really only cares about himself.

The reactions to my comment show how split up the fanbase seems to be between Serj and Daron. It's really interesting to see.

JThrashYT You’re crazy if you think Daron is humble

Same.

Cragmortis differences in opinions and ideas. The band dynamic is a difficult one.

Fuck daron

It's bad for rock music especially. This doesn't happen as frequently with some of the newer types of music like rap music for example or EDM, like anything that can be done by one or two people vs. five. AND THEN the other cruel thing on top of that is bands also have to split the pay. You can see why it's so attractive for people to get into electronic music and stuff now, while the people in rock if things don't change are slowly going to die out and/or fade away.

Jack Hoff This was obvious even when they said things were cool, the difference between the first three albums and the last two are Darons voice.

Chris Blahnik well said! 👍🏻

Ok but where are the solo gothic operas?

Devon Grosstephan how about elect the dead symphony...or orca symphony... or how about 1915... or how about...are we seeing a pattern yet?

Hahaha

Chris Blahnik Hahahaha

Daron always wrote the vast majority of the music right from the inception of the band with Serj writing most of the lyrics. With each passing album Daron got more involved with the lyrics but Serj barely composed any of the music leading right up to Hypnotize / Mezmerize. It seem likely that Serj was just mad that he wasn't earning quite as much as Daron but of credits are to be believed, Daron did most of the legwork. It's very telling that all of the other bandmates have a great working relationship with Daron and have no problem working on an album with him the way things are and that it's only Serj that has a problem.

@@necro_nancy so Serj (who's main job is being a vocalist) should be happy just standing in the back occasionally doing backup vocals? Whatever they did between Steal This Album and Mez/Hyp changed their sound and I wouldn't mind it changing again if we get more Serj-y songs

I agree totally!!

CarimboHanky What does it say on the flag in your thumbnail?

CarimboHanky were awesome. They stopped being awesome a long time ago

Ivan Perez “Metallica” *Illegible* “2010”*

Ivan Perez I think the middle part might say

They were done 10 years ago…

Kareem Magdi lol so pessimistic

joshua carmona Realistic**

I think that's the most positive conclusion tbh. If they don't break up everything will just get worse.

Kareem Magdi Honestly. I hate getting my hopes up. This band has been playing with my emotions for more than a decade. I can't take it anymore. The least they could do is rip the goddamn bandaid off & call it quits already.

Coldpotatoesfromsaturn Exactly, in my humble opinion, they do need to call it quits before things get messier. Maybe with a farewell tour or smth, but a half-assed album is definitely something that no one wants.