Serve Pronation with Holger Rune and Patrick Mouratoglou 

Ever heard of Lars Christensen ..? Patrick Mouratoglou uses already established players for his own media celebrity promotion and pretends their success is due to 10 minutes with him. PM is a wind-bag - a talker - he has never played professional tennis in his life. He knows no more than an average park player - a pretend coach seeking publicity through Serena Williams success. PM's businessman Father bankrolled the Mouratoglou Tennis academy - PM used Serena Williams when she was down in her life and started an affair with her resulting in his first wife divorcing him - he has kids from two marriages.

@@Chris_Sheridan lol get a life.

True..he didnt serve that well before.. I was so surprised last few weeks..

It also helps to keep the ball low and short to keep it within the service box - if you find your serves going out too far.

How do u compensate for short height with this kind of motion?

It is not always the right motion. That inside out is the right motion when serving wide from the Ad. You must contact the left side of the ball in order to make it go wide. That is not the right motion when serving down the T from the Ad.

I feel slice serve pronation is more difficult, if we just carve the ball, then the slice is weak.

@@zhanmike3406 exactly. You still need to pronate just like flat serve. It just a few degrees difference.

you must be joking . PM has done nothing but fooling his audience . he already had one of the best pronations on the circuit but if 95 percent of your audience has no idea about tennis then you can tell them what ever you want

Either Rune and his father (?) were fools to pay PM to teach him nothing. Or they teamed up to fool 95% of us for a few clicks. You and Serena are smart and see right through his tricks.

.. there's no evidence that PM's advice has improved this guy's serve.

@@Chris_Sheridan the serve, the drop shot... Many and many things.. Believe me..

@@peppio .. believe you? Why? You're also a liar - just like PM the biggest waffler in tennis.

PM didnt do anything but fooling his audiance. rune already had one of the best pronations on the circuit

@@bmtspain6839 PM is only a talker - a showman like Bolletieri and he fools those with little tennis experience and knowledge - he's a good example of a bad coach.

My take: To get that kind of pronation, one engages the muscles of the shoulder that internally rotate the shoulder and arm. These muscles are larger and therefore more powerful than just the arm. That, along with a relaxed wrist, creates great racket head speed, driving the ball faster. Flat serves hit the back fence off the first bounce. A huge amount of practice (I need even more) helped me get that kind of power. Now if the rest of my tennis could improve... 🤔

@@paddlepower888 The twisting of the wrist is a bit weird for me...maybe not used to it yet

@@hi7hi7hi7hi7hi7 I don’t find it natural either, but I’m confident that as I get my repetitions in, it’ll become second nature. I think my nervous system will want to forget the newer info and revert to older habits-a good reason for me to schedule monthly practice drills such as detailed in Patrick’s video. Cheers!

@@paddlepower888 yes indeed good point, same as when I changed my forehand grip from eastern to semi-western, I also feeling uncomfortable at first..

Hitting it more direct with more power and the opponent not knowing wich way the wrist twist.

Identificar um centro de interesse e consumir conteúdo em uma lingua estrangeira desse tema é uma das melhores formas de aprender um novo idioma 👊

You must not pronate on slice at all. So I don't know if I would call it supination or Neutral but it's definitely not pronation. You can see Patrick explaining that he as a a natural slice serve and they are working on the opposite in this video...

@@smashu2 if you want pace in a slice you need pronation : watch zverev slice at 195km

@@bmtspain6839 agreed. Patrick's illustration of a slice looks like what club hacks do to hit slice. Watch Raonic hit a slice in slow motion. He pronates. Pat has no clue about the actual biomechanics. Swing path and angle of head at contact determine spin.

Yeah if you slice the way he "demonstrated" you'll have no velocity on the slice. Instead, just throw the racket the same way as on any other serve, allowing your shoulder to rotate and your wrist to snap, but throw it on a different vector through the ball - less back to front, and more out to in. That way, you'll make thinner contact with the ball, transposing more of your racket velocity into spin, rather than power. You can resist a little of the pronation if you want, but not all of it. Like other commenters have pointed out, watch any great slice server (roddick, raonic, kyrgios, fed) hit a slice serve, and you'll see a very similar release action at the top as on their flat serve, not the hacky chop that he's demonstrating here. He might be exaggerating in his demonstration, but the truth is, when you work with athletes this talented, what you say doesn't matter nearly as much, because they figure out what feels right pretty quickly.

@@smashu2100% incorrect…the biggest problem for anyone believing this is slow motion video…slice, flat or kick serves are all quite similar except for slightly different angle and path at contact…pronation absolutely happens in all…this is not my opinion, it’s just facts that no one can dispute what can be proven in videos🤷‍♂️

I mean did u see djokers serve when he started. Players aren’t perfect from the beginning.

he did , thats why his serve was good before patrick said any word :):) he didnt correct actually anything because it was already there!! his racket didnt go in the wrong direction , he had a lot of pronation and ISR but most of his viewers have no idea about tennis :):) its all advertising

@@bmtspain6839 .. advertising rubbish. PM hasn't a clue about tennis.

@@bmtspain6839 You are wrong.

@@reginstravels so let me explain : rune startrs to serve 3 times on the deuce side and 1 on the ad side and then PM asks show me show me and rune serves again at 40sec in the video on which PM says that he was going to the inside and he should go to the outside. thats a big joke right here; stop the video at contact and you will see one of THE BEST PRONATIONS in profesional tennis; but PM has NO FUCKING IDEA about what happend. so i advice you to stop the video and check the position just after contact and let me know what you see.

And with slow motion too. PM has the best instruction.

He demoed at the beginning slice vs flat serve. The slice doesnt have pronation lol

@@goggleboy2464 of course it has. It's like 99% the same movement, you only hit the ball a bit more lateral

@@finnarhelger7471 u must not have a good slice serve. If it was 99 percent the same move dude wouldnt be paying 150 bucks an hr to be taught

@@goggleboy2464watch any pro serve in slow motion and you’ll see they all pronate

Totally agree. The initial serving was top notch. The guy leads on edge and pronates into contact - what else can you do? Then how the racket continues, with continued pronation or back to a more supplinated finish, is totally irrelevant.

from the first serve he did he played perfect, this is only for advertising , he has to say something but the guy did exactly the pronation and internal shoulder rotation on every serve , it was not nesecarry to the comment he goes in the wrong way because he didnt :):)

You day he has more pronation than most professionals, but Rune IS a professional player. His ranking is 88 in the ATP Tour

@@spirothegamer i have never heard of him so i didnt know. and his pronation is very good if he wants to go further he will dislocate his shoulder :):)

This channel is indeed derailing quickly.

It’s simple deemple)))

exactly my thoughts , his explaining was not nesecarry because the guy did exactly the pronation and ISR from the first serve

Absolutely; PM is not a technical coach. There are so many things he coaches that are wrong. E.g., as if the follow through with the Andy Murray style left arm had anything to do with a serve. And, of course, all professionals, pull the non-dominant arm into the chest to stop the upper body rotation and to release the racquet into the strike.

He is being taught to use prontation to hit the T and wide with the same action almost up to contact, that's not just basic serve pronation. Look at his other video's teaching lesser/younger players and he teaches hit say T (depends on side) with a flat pronated serve, hit the wide the same action but slice it. No slicing here, this is more advanced. Rune, and his coach clearly get it, the fact that you don't suggests the video is not for you.

if they would show it in slow motion you should see that patrick wasnt right in the beginning when he said you go that way but should go that way :) and the guy did exactly that :) the guy has more pronation and internal shoulder rotation then most proplayers. Dont get fooled by this guy its all advertising

You can adjust the playback speed on RU-vid - just go to 'settings' ..

@@Chris_Sheridan yes I did this and wow - he was always doing it the way PM was asking - well spotted

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ofcourse he did ; he already had that pronation; PM is just using rune as an advertising

i tend to do the same and would love to know if its a bad habbit

@@epicfaaail its not been a habit for me but when the ball goes far to the left its because i have thrown it slightly late

I dont think so, since he is pronating to the right he probably needs to toss the other way to ensure the ball goes in

I noticed that too, towards the end of the video I saw the toss move slightly more to the right which definitely helped with the full extension

If it works for you, meaning serving high % first serves in and getting 100mph or more, doesn’t really matter

its going this way and it should go that way ( 0.54 ), are you kidding me , knowing your website you should know better. stop the frame and youll see its not possible to get more pronation and ISR . hes ansewring directly after the hit so its imposible to see what happend ( im coaching 40 years so i have an idea of that )

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He was ranked #4 worldwide by ATP at one point