A group in San Francisco is going around placing cones on Waymo and Cruise autonomous cars, which disables and forces them to stop. abc7ne.ws/44dspYn #selfdrivingcars #car #sanfrancisco #protest #abc7news
It's part of the city's infrastructure, hence it's part of the city. The police are paid to take care of the city. A common misconception is that the police are paid to take care of people. This is not true. It's only to take care of the city. Basically, you could steal from a store, but don't vandalize it. If you vandalize it, you'll get their attention. They're paid to protect the city.
The EV companies should be thanking these “hackers” for pointing out the obvious flaw. Imagine riding as a customer in one and having people with bad intentions disable and stop the vehicle that easily 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
When you think about it these cars are very vulnerable to vandalism. It would be easy for a group to disable every single car in the Bay Area within a couple of days using brute force or some kind of electronic device. Unless they want to hire a security guard to sit in the driver's seat this could be a big problem for this company as it could destroy the whole concept.
Forget disabling them, could you imagine "Rocket League", controlled remotely, by some kids who cracked the security? Holy cow that would be a mess! What if a terrorist gained control? He could run over pedestrians with no consequences and Waymo would need a new car!
When you think of it, parked cars are very vulnerable to vandalism. A 14 year old kid with a spray paint can can give an entire street worth of cars a "facelift" in minutes 🤔
Gotta love the irony in cruise saying the protest gets in the way of their efforts and creates traffic congestion when the vehicles themselves get in the way of city workers and create traffic congestion when they malfunction on their own.
Guinea pigs. They have that right. We had a woman walking her bike in Tempe that was killed by one of these. We have plenty of Waymo here too and I've personally seen one Waymo stuck at a green light, and another one casually ran a red light in front of me and the other drivers that had green. It was very unsettling to think that these cars are just cruising around and don't even know how to read traffic lights properly. We wouldn't put a 3 year old in the driver's seat would we?
Where you at? What state? I was driving in SF. 19th avenue. I saw one of these Waymo cars next to me. At first I noticed the car was different then i didn't see a driver in the car. I had to double check. I slowed down a bit, waited for to catch up eventually. It did. There was no driver. But there was some lady in the back seat. She was just looking ahead at the driver part. I thought at first maybe she was an employee testing out the car. Heck she could have been a customer!
Its not a 3 years old. Its a computer with an array of redundant and complementary sensors. The type of computer that can fly 300 people in an airplane through the densest fogs in the midst of the night, and touchdown on the center lane of a runway with a precision of some centimers.
I think this is funny, but I also recognize that I'm not sure that we'll ever get to the point where a traffic cone on the hood WOULDN'T stop a self-driving car.
Just patch it to recognize traffic cones. Problem solved. They did it with Tesla in Asia because people always hang off the back of cars. So the AI now recognizes that.
Actually it is. It is by definition interfering with commerce, which has the purpose of depriving someone of money or freedom. While it does not necessarily cause physical "damaged" it absolutely does incur "damage" as defined in the legal sense. It costs the owner of the vehicle money and time to go correct the situation, it inconveniences the rider waiting for the vehicle, and poses a traffic hazard by obstructing the flow of traffic. The truth is, the amount of violations that are occurring piles up pretty quickly.
@@aigtrader2984 Laws have this section at the start that defines all terms. Damage in terms of vandalism =/= damage in civil terms. It is not a universal term. You seem to have graduated from the Law School of Reddit
That's kinda what happened. Though it was treated with a lot more decency than putting cones ontop of cars. In Brittain, they etched a drawing of a car that looked like a skull, for the newspaper saying that "we should ditch cars and use horse and carriage again as they kill people."
Because they were a danger back then And because of those reactions, we have regulations that make them not a danger today. Same should happen with this
My problem with self driving cars is whether or not the government will try to ban people from driving. Then you have no control and your car can be controlled remotely straight to jail.
So, what you are saying is that you want the option to escape if you commit a crime? The government itself isn’t the problem. It’s the rich and powerful who corrupt it and bend it to their will that is the problem. A government will do what the most powerful party wants it to. This is a gross over simplification, but who wants nuance? If the most powerful party is the people then it will do the people’s bidding. If it’s a bunch of rich people then their bidding. If it is one strong man then their bidding. Really, it comes down to who the people allow to have the power. We vote in the people who control our governments. So, it’s up to us to work together to influence our government. The problem is that the rich and powerful use their influence to divide us, bend us to their will, and any weak willed elected officials as well.
@@namehere5675Because reality itself will prevent anybody besides the government from utilizing these same controls, and everybody knows the government only tells the truth and only acts in ways which are just and legal, duh.
Lived in the city for 8 years. These kinds of people are beyond reason; their minds are gone. They'll step over 20 used heroin needles to complain about a Tesla parked across the street.
Reminds me of people who refused to use elevators when they became automated (not that I'm that old but I read a long article about it, it was on the subject of Luddite tendencies in the USA).
Here in the US vay, we have activists for EVERYTHING. I heard from somewhere that there is a group of activists against the use flushing toilets because they claimed it wastes water.
USA is a dumb country so makes sense. As insane as that is, its also hilarious. Incredible how dumb people can be or become. USA takes the crown for everything at its dumbest.
@@johnc3525 expensive technology is always being tested on the street there has been many issues with many new model cars kooding accelerator problems taking off in the killing people
That is the question. A lot of people here are making declarations of fact but I haven't seen the data. I'm sure it will come out soon, if it doesn't already exist.
apples n oranges . there's like 100 autonomous cars vs 100 billion human operated ones.. and autonomous cars are limited to certain parts of town with ideal road conditions.. theyd never put a waymo in the hood with potholes every 10 feet, stray cats n dogs and children runnin around, or where there's ongoing construction, iffy lane merges, apartment buildings, dirt/gravel roads, shoddy internet.. definitely no highways for waymo. do u really want to be driven by something that cant even get on the highway? they test the waymo cars in an empty parking lot and have it drive in a circle. but thats not the real world. real world has hazards. worst case scenario i see with a waymo is one probably stopping on some train tracks, and keeping the doors locked for "your safety" 💀 i dont think it would consider driving around or through the barriers to save the passenger. it would just stop completely, turn on the hazard lights, and hopefully connect to the internet to contact somebody from india to troubleshoot..
First 'the data' is not reliable because much of it was collected by the companies developing the technology and it has only been used in limited areas. More important its not always clear who will be liable when there is an accident. A lot has to be figured out and its stupid to let big corporations rush technology into wider use just so they can make more money.
They don't feel safe as pedestrian if these cars are moving. They feel safe as pedestrians if these cars are disabled and no longer moving. learn to tell the difference.
Wait til they figure out how to hack these!!! They are dangerous and not very accurate in videos I've seen. They even been spotted running red lights and not slowing down for pedestrians if there is a green light.
Given the choice, I'd opt for an AI based car vs a human driver any day. The fact they can step in front of them and put a cone on them, safely, is a testament ot how safe they are.. try that with a human driver.. you are liable to get assaulted, or possibly shot.
Given how seriously **vehicle bugularies** are taken in San Francisco, I'm sure the SFPD is going to bend over backwards to help bullied robot cars because Waymo threw a conniption fit.
No, it's because it's idiotic to disable a car in the middle of the street. That's a serious hazard. And if one of these cars have a passenger in them, or are making their way to a pick-up, you're causing a huge delay for them. These people and you yourself aren't thinking.
@@JoybuzzerXlol, ought go to North Korea little red. Won't even have to deals cars there. Trying to appease the now stunts progress. It's immoral too but that's besides the point Red. That Taxi job is useless if people find something better he is worth it. He is voted out of office of the dollar, he must adapt or drown, same as the coal miners, these Hollywood actors, etc. Etc. Change with your environment or die.
Kinda ironic because when the car is sitting in the middle of the road, it causes backed up traffic and people dont know whats going on an may cause accidents
@@randybugger3006 Idiоt! That's a very good reason to put criminals in prison for years! And put them in prison for life after the first premeditated crime. Clear, criminal?
True, all the sensors have flaws and are vulnerable to vandalism. Can this car function safely after someone guns it down with a paintball gun in high speed traffic?
These cars are terrifying. I wouldnt want to get into an accident with one cuz it suddenly changed lanes cuz I was in the Camera's blind spot. The technology is not ready for public application like this. They should be banned until the manufacturer can prove with 100% certainty they are just as safe or safer than a human driver...A COMPETANT human driver...
They have already been tested for years. Unfortunately the only way to get these statistics is to actually put them on live roads in actual cities. You'll see if they are safer or not in a few years after we get more statistics.
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 No that's illegal. Undercurrent laws you have to be able to take the wheel at any time. Plenty of people sleeping in auto pilot still got tickets.
@@Andre_Jordan depends on the jurisdiction. The op was talking about a self driving cab. By definition that would have to be driving unsupervised. I think the cars in the video are driving unsupervised, which is why they get stuck when you put a cone on them. If there was someone in the car I don't think people would be putting cones on them.
I thought the law said all the autonomous vehicles had to have her driver with them for safety. I guess they're legally allowed to forget to step because they're rich.
I don't think you can call that vandalism. I'm not sure what you would call it, but it's not vandalism unless they are scratching the hood when they put the cone on it, which is unlikely.
@@exnihilonihilfit6316 I think I'd prefer to see people on the streets putting cones on self-driving cars to stop them, rather than having unproven self-driving cars on the streets.
It only works because it makes the car's computer believe it's a unicorn, at which point it realizes it is imaginary and must do it's best to stop existing.
The average human doesn't malfunction with a traffic cone on the hood. These things drive terribly; driving is not a board game and they do not have have human reactions.
@@matt92hun But they'll get a software update with an unanticipated bug that reverses brake and accelerator actuators. opps. The point being that even bad driver humans are better general intelligences than these that are being funded by venture capitalists in order to maximize profits by cutting human labor and don't GAF about safety or efficacy.
I'm not sure how voting would change anything. They have the choice between a party that says tax on millionaires is too high, or a party that says tax on millionaires is way too high. Either way they're cutting essential services.
@@drunkenhobo8020 When people do crime they need to be locked up, and for a long time. Some republicans want this. Democrats act like crime is down. Well if it's not prosecuted then you can say it's down. A rapist won't say "no" to shop lifting. A murderer won't say "no" to robbery. Get them when the crimes are smaller and you may just prevent the bigger crimes and for sure a multiple of crimes.
Sweet, I’m with you guys but probably for different reasons. 30 percent of all jobs in this country are driving jobs. So what happens to all those workers ? They lose their jobs so a few people can be billionaires. When it gets bad enough I’m breaking out the bat.
I'm sure Jimmy will put his cardiac arrest on pause for a couple minutes so the paramedics can park, get out of the ambulance, get into the Waymo, park *that* out of the way, and get back into the ambulance. Assuming the front doors aren't locked. Assuming the manual driving features aren't locked-out without a Waymo technician entering a code. But they can just call Waymo, I'm sure. Plesse stay on the line, your call is important to us...
@@lyinarbaeldeth2456 I was hoping for the best. I've never seen these vehicles. So according to you it's not possible to get move them. Then they should be banned on city streets.
Agreed, no one halt the progress of self-driving cars, although self-driving cars are ten, fifteen or trewnty years away from being common place and replacing gasoline fueled deathtraps/weapons, they're still going to be allowed, / sold in the future regardless of how these groups feel about them. I will say in the ten, fifteen, twenty years it takes for people to get used to, own, and use self-driving cars the technology self-driving cars use would have been designed, tested, and better understood. I'd rather have my own self-driving driving car than one I could control, id feel safer in a self-driving car. With the car we currently have, you're literally sitting in a weapon that you can control. What scares me about that is it ones decision wether or not to hurt someone with that gasoline fueled car or not.
@@stevefarring3034Yeah sure, the technology is in its infancy but the concept is inevitable. We already have autonomous aircraft, trains and maritime vessels. It is only a matter of time until autonomous automobiles are ubiquitous. It is not necessarily the technology that is the problem but the militancy of the general public towards that technology. It's an American thing. Americans seem to have negative view on most things and their behaviour demonstrates this. This same scenario would never play out in Japan or China or Taiwan. The citizenry of those countries embraces this sort of progress.
@@therelaytimes It's not necessarily the cones that are impeding the vehicles. It's the people interfering with the autonomous vehicles by putting the cones in front of them in the first place. It's an American thing I guess. It's a reflection of a culture that is bereft of social norms.
I just want to know how they expect the world to go round if there are no jobs for us to pay bills and eat. And if there are no jobs, there will be no one to even use the taxis anyway.
If they truly believed the cars are unsafe then they wouldn’t run right in front of them and risk being run over. They’re also exploiting a safety feature to stop the cars. What’s their actual motivation? Because it’s obviously not safety.
Why is nobody concerned about robots/computers/automation/AI making human jobs a thing of the past? The self driving cars will take the jobs of people doing any sort of food delivery jobs. They will take the jobs of taxi drivers, Uber, and Lyft drivers. Then they will take the jobs of fast food workers, cashiers, warehouse workers, etc. Then AI will come for the jobs of people with degrees, some of them advanced degrees. People in finance will be the first to find this out.
@@anxiongyuan8862 yeah but there you had the warning signs and if everyone missed it or chose to ignore it then shame on them. In the human instance, you have someone to blame. Who is going to take the blame for an AI malfunction?
@@anxiongyuan8862 maybe. But humans know how to reason. Alright, MOST humans. If a human sees a spoon in the road, you’re not going to slam on the brakes thinking it’s another car. You know it’s a spoon. GPS is a good example. If there is an accident and the road is closed, GPS has you running in circles, taking you right back into the fire because it can’t see what I can see.
@@anxiongyuan8862 aha! You just hit the key word there-learn. If there was a written/road test each and every time you renewed your license, you would eliminate bad habits and remove anyone that could be a hazard to themselves or others on the road (a disability that might have developed over time for example). Where it stands now-you pass your road test once in your life then never worry about it again.
@@johnc3525 Exactly, the cone is NOT part of the car's design but something imposed on the car by a person, so the person placing the cone becomes responsible for any accident.
@@StevenTorrey Nah, the car shouldn't be there in the first place, and shouldn't react like that, so it's the company's responsibility for the accident.
The orange cones disabling the car is literally the worst possible argument and hurts their case? Humans and likely the computer code know to avoid cones, so if you make a cone unavoidable, it won’t move..? Meaning -their- they’re proving it safe??
Because they do one thing safely doesn’t indicate that they’ll always do all things safely. Computers fail all the time, it could be catastrophic if it failed while driving with a passenger
@@NG-cf7zhin other words you believe everyone should live their life in a padded room because there's a chance they could get killed by something if they go outside
@@jackmeoff9299 firing a missile in a random direction may not hurt anyone but is reckless, just as a car without a driver is. UAVs (drones) have existed in operation for many decades but we still haven’t given them FAA certification to fly in civilian airspace because more testing is needed.
@@NG-cf7zh and electric Vehicles should not have been promoted until we had better Battery Technology that didn't involve strip mining and fires but sometimes you got to do what you got to do and self-driving Vehicles will definitely make the world a better place
@@NG-cf7zh just think we have an electrical grid that starts a huge percentage of our forest fires it can't even handle it when everyone plugs in an air conditioner yet Democrats promoted electric vehicles knowing that the grid couldn't handle it and endanger the lives of thousands of people in millions of animals that will die in these fires
This guy thinks it's a really bad idea. So we all have to live by that. Because he's smarter than everyone. It must be nice to think you're the center of the universe.
The stupidity is astounding. If you can block a car with a traffic cone thats already your proof how lottle it takes to stop it - the proof for safety. Try doing same thing for manned vehicle, see how many seconds it takes for driver to step out and hit you in your face. And the second point - it might block traffic.... so you block traffic yourselves???
Vandalism? What damage does placing a traffic cone one the hood cause? If it’s no different than spray painting over the sensors, then perhaps they are encouraging something that will take these cars off the road longer. Perhaps thy shouldn’t overstate what cones on car hoods is.
My question is, if someone is hurt by these vehicles who is going to be liable. This will not work until humans are not physically driving vehicles. In my opinion.
Imagine if you will...you've just had a lovely meal with a friend at one of your favorite food dives. The meal was perfect and the mixed drink had the perfect booze to ice ratio, you love how the bartender adds just the right amount of orange peel and mint to your drink. You say your goodbyes after the meal and stroll out into the San Franciscan night air. It's been a wonderful evening, and as you walk down the sidewalk you see one of those new self driving cars. You were thinking about getting an uber, but what the heck live a little try something new. So you pop into the vehicle and start your ride. Everything goes smoothly the shop lights and homeless wave as you pass by, and then "wham" a rock fall on the hood, the vehicle halts suddenly. Out of the alley five hooded figures run out and begin using metal grinders to get into the car. Sparks are flying all around you outside the car. Panicked and worried you jump into the driver's seat and floor the gas pedal, but nothing happens. The rock on the hood has disabled the vehicle. The hooded figures eventually break through, grab you and take you to a facility to harvest your organs. Moral of the story, self driving cars can be dangerous.
You do realize that humans can easily be just as dangerous as the computer can be. AIs are being created to mimic living things. If you name something that can go wrong with an AI, the same thing or something similar to be caused by the car or a human.
Well what if a self driving car locked you in, then hauled you to a lair? Five guys in masks drag you out of the vehicle, and the leader cackles at you as he peels off the "cruise" decal to reveal text that says "cartel" instead. Then the "surgeons" come in and send you to Mexico as several individually packaged organs on dry ice.
How big is the black market for organ harvesting? Why to use a metal grinder when you can break a window with a metal pipe? Who says a stone will stop the car? Is it a cone shaped stone? I give this fanfic/weird fantasy a 1/10 for lack of realism.
