@Hulk Hands From full screen I can combo 2 dash upper's, only because the farther away you are from the other character the more there are start up frames for the dash upper. Giving me enough time to gain the full 39 frames of back charge for the 2 dash upper to combo. Yet at close range, the dash upper starts up in 4 frames no matter if you use short, forward, or roundhouse. So when doing this combo, the 1st dash upper starts so close (4 frames) I dont understand how he can have charge so quick to combo a 2nd Dash upper?
@Hulk Hands I have a question about that Balrog combo thats cr.lk x2, st. lk, back, forward+k, back, forward+k , st.Hp So according to the frame data @Streetfighter 2 CE Shoruyken.com Balrog's dash upper requires 39 frames to charge and leaves him at a +9 frame advantage afterwards. However the dash uppers recovery frames are rather short, and combined with the +9 frame advantage its still not enough frames to charge for a full 39 frames to be able to combo a 2nd Dash upper. Is it possible this player is using a keyboard set up where he keeps his back charge while doing charge moves ?
Elias Turner No, it’s possible to do double dash upper. It’s just he does 2 inputs in 1. When he does the st. Lk he also does the dash upper. So basically he was charging again when he did the st. Lk to do another dash upper. Pretty precise to get another dash upper but it’s possible. I can do it a lot.
@Hulk Hands I even tried the technique of gaining the fastest charge time possible by doing charge back, forward, back +K, So I've already started my charge for the 2nd Dash upper before the 2nd one comes out. Yet there still doesnt seem to be enough time to get these 2 moves to combo when starting relatively close to the opponent. Only works when starting with a Dash upper from the other side of the stage. I'm practicing on USA/WORLD and Japanese roms, but I think this player might have a controller that allows him to keep his back charge while executing charge moves. Or am I missing something in the frame data?
The Japanese version is a slightly different game than normal Champion Edition, more than just a rom localisation difference, so it shouldn't be compared and I don't know anything about combo differences in it. I don't use Balrog but your question sounds the same as another one from my other video, check this and read the comment (you might have to copy and paste the link): ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4r26vG82ryc.html&lc=UgzfOBKSxteIr5w30pF4AaABAg
Basically I tried it (with a joystick) and found that it was possible, and like I wrote in the comments on that example, it came down to having to essentially start buffering the 2nd dash in the lk>dash upper>dash upper sequence before the lk animation has finished, let alone the first dash, if you can get your head around that. Using a pad might make it harder. In suparc the emulator did have some macro support, but apparently the Balrog here is known as the best Balrog in China so I don't think he got that rep from using macros on emulators.
@Hulk Hands Thank you for the reply, so your basically saying you have to start holding your back charge for the second dash upper before the st.lk animation finishes. I understand, I have to do it lightning quick. I let you know if I get it. @24:03 time in this video The Balrog player does cr.lk x3, st.Lk, dash upper, dash straight not a linked st.Hp. Dash straight charge time is 69 frames!! Or is that a st.Hp and I've just been playing too long? lol
There is another thing that can help. I don't know a name for the technique but with charge moves there is an allowance for late inputting of the P or K which you can use to do certain things with. Like when doing a sonic boom for example, you don't need to press forward+P at exactly the same time, you can actually press forward then slightly delay the P and the sonic boom still comes out. One thing that this allows is once you have pressed forward you can then immediately hold back to charge again - before you have even pressed the P to activate the sonic boom. This means you can effectively cut down the time between two consecutive charge moves, and I think that might need to be done for these Balrog combos. It's all so fast though that it is difficult to think it through as you are doing it, you just have to find a feel for the timing. I have tried doing them again and videoed it so I could check the frames afterwards and at first I managed to do it twice in about 10 minutes of trying. This was on a world rom which is the same one Suparc used.
I don't know enough Balrog to say about the 24:03 combo. They both look like dashes but I'm pretty sure st.hp combos after the dash upper anyway, maybe the distance between the characters after 3x cr.lk, lk, dash upper gives a fraction more time for the straight to charge.
