@@pepegapogu1790 the OP is getting mad at Baf for using the old/official names for buttons (light punch ="jab", medium kick = "forward") instead of the modern terminology "light/medium/heavy X".
@@muffin2221 they either saw the handful of fang mains dominate statistically due to lack of matchup knowledge and mistakenly thought he was overtuned, or the was one guy in the office beating the game balance lead on lunch breaks using fang.
He at least seems more complete now that previous non-Dan characters that Capcom tried and failed to buff. *cough*Hakan*cough* [/damned by faint praise]
Do you think Season 1 FANG is bad enough for a Bad Balance video? He's probably not as bad as most of the other characters you've done, but I think Bad Balances focusing on poor cohesion (akin to USFIV Dee Jay) are really interesting, often in subtle ways.
@@Bafael Situational but could you try either season 1 trials mode or test out DepotDownloader to try and download an earlier build works? Because playing Season 1 Trials as Ryu for example has his original Cr HP animation instead of his Season 3/Current version.
1:16 = Oh, shit. He's broken now. /s Seriously though, what the hell? As someone basically only pays attention to this game whenever you or Desk upload a video about it, how the hell did F.A.N.G go so long without something as basic as that, especially for as low-damage as he is? I could maybe understand if he was a zoner, if poison did more damage than it does, and/or if poison could kill you, but *none* of that is true. Was F.A.N.G. the only character in the game who couldn't knockdown from a light without Critical Art before this? I'll pretend to be surprised if the answer is "yes."
@@Ghaust8546 Well I can't pretend to be surprised that He of the Backwards Legs (still) needs an EX from lights given he's on the slower side and has always been a bit clunky historically. Hell, his kit was arguably as disjointed as F.A.N.G.'s was, with Flash Chop as his only outright "good" special move.
@@MusicoftheDamned ok so i actually checked on the cast and not counting alex; laura, dhalsim, and vega (without mask) cant get a knockdown from lights without spending meter. Also maybe menat and bison but im not sure
@@Ghaust8546 Huh. Well I expected Dhalsim and especially--sigh--Vega, but learning Laura can't is legitimately surprising. At least it somewhat makes sense in her case though and would arguably be overkill for her. Shrug. Either way, thanks for checking.
I feel like the S.HP change is meant for if you happen to read a reversal backdash... especially since if you land it point blank you can juggle with S.LK into M or H command dash and deny your opponent their wakeup, putting yourself +2 and point blank on either side. I'm not really sure what Fang can do that would make the opponent pick reversal backdash, though... you'd have to be in a +4 situation for S.HP to cover three frame attacks and the best he can do is +3 off of his S.LK or C.MK. I suppose it could also be for if you catch an incedental jumping attack like Mika's drop kick.
He is funny, hopefully he comes back in SF6, he is one of the few new additions that I think is legit. Not a lot of characters from V were as good as this dude and it's a shame he's been Bottom 3 popularity for the entirety of the game's life.
Sadly I don't think it's likely that he's coming back. Not only is he so much like other one-off designs like Hakan, he also falls off a catwalk into an exploding shadoloo base. Admittedly, this wouldn't stop him from coming back as a cyborg or something I guess... and I did say the same thing about Seth before capcom announced they were coming back. Also I agree, Fang is in the top 3 new characters for SF5... 2 if you run the excuse that G is actually Q and therefor isn't new. (Rashid is the other one. Gameplay aside he's a fun addition to the street fighter cast and I wouldn't mind seeing him again)
@@garou12 Yeah... the difference there is that bringing Fang back from the grave can't be measured against bringing charlie back... it'd be more like if they resurrected Rufus. (I know he's not dead, but he's the closest character I can think of in popularity and plot relevance to FANG... Hell, if they push the story beyond SF5's, I might be surprised if they bring Bison back. Okay, I wouldn't be that surprised.)
@@kevingriffith6011 they've written themselves into a corner re bison. they keep killing him but they also keep bringing him back. tbf none of the new chars except for me maybe juri have anywhere the popularity that the world warriors have. that's why we keep seeing them return. but tbf i find snk's chars are better designed because they're got real personlities. sf's are mostly cookie cutter archetypes. hakan was kooky and fun but not loved. i wonder why
I'm disappointed they never buffed the poison after all these patches. They could've at least doubled it's damage. The poison needs to be something that changes how the game is played momentarily, or else it isn't interesting. They could've made poisoned characters recover stun more slowly, or maybe all your punch normals do chip damage or something. (All this would come with other adjustments to keep his balance in check, of course)
These buffs seem pretty good but sadly FANG is destined to be middling because devs are scared that if his poison was too good it’d be really unfun to play against, which is probably right? I’m sure the version of this game where he’s a mid to low tier character is much more fun than the one where he’s a top 5 character. As a side note it’s really funny to think that they gave him 2LP L Sotoja in a previous patch to make his challenging game better but L Sotoja was 0 so as a 4 framer he was still kinda fucked. I get being strapped for defensive options is an easy balance idea but that’s just pathetic lol
Hoestly I kinda wish they would make fang op in a way like just unnecessary safe on a lot since like no one plays him lol or I just don't ever see him much at all
Honestly FANG from S1 should have been left on the cutting room floor given the state he was released in. Better to get him right later than do what was done. Changes are great for his few loyal fans that his kit now "works." but he's still not an especially fun character to play against.
Talk about wasted potential...Poison is such a rare element in fighting games the only other characters that i can think that even do it are Persona characters (which is 100% cheating considering its based off an rpg), Piranha Plant in smash (who doesn't even really do that as much as he has an AOF, DOT move thats purple), Testament from Guilty Gear and Lin from KOF. And he's propped up as the replacement to SAGAT. But all we got was this annoying character that wasn't very good and capcom went out of their way to deny any and all time in the spotlight. Capcom tends to be bad with this as a lot of characters, Notoriously most of the 3 cast with Alex being a particular example, where they make characters, don't give them any push to make you be interested in them, and don't fix their flaws, then just dump them like it was our fault they wasted the characters when if Capcom tried a little to make anyone but Ryu relevant we'd gladly be interested in them. But this time i don't think capcom was in the wrong for doing this again, even with all he's got now I think it's safe to say F.A.N.G is unarguably in the bottom 3 for least popular characters in this game. It sucks capcom never had, and never could provide a reason for this character to be interesting other than the moveset. hopefully this isn't another SF4 where this newcomer like Rufus Fuerte and Viper were generally kinda bad so the cool ideas of the move set don't come back, because i'd love another poison user to come back that's just better designed.
@@astolfostrikesback4073 well i mean lets be fair, she's just a vanessa rip off ignoring her moves. a VERY UGLY one that misses everything about it. The idea is cool as shit she just has a very stupid hair cut and boob window. a normal reserved design would do wonders for her. I'd actually like her back if they did that with her.
I think fangs problem is that hes neither attractive as a character nor strong enough for people to play him just for his tier. Give fang's moveset to juri and the incongruent poisoner moveset sees 20 times more play lol
@@Lilybun he’s also again not very interesting or entertaining personality wise. He’s just a narcissist but unlike vega he’s an ass kisser to separate him from the Spanish yodeling ninja. Even his designs not very interesting.
@@Neogears1312 Visually I think he could have worked if his flavor animation (intro, win, super etc.) and voiceover weren't over the top wacky flailing and screaming. I think a more subtle and menacing vibe could have worked without changing much of his nimble and bizarre combat animations. Vega is straight up hot and his ego fits his Casanova demeanor well imo.
I really like FANG as a character and his poison mechanic. But he constantly felt weak and his gameplay sucked in the begin. He should have gotten more buffs throughout SFV but im sure FANG players will take anything at this point. The only thing I really wanted is that poison will kill you. So FANG can poison you, run away and get the kill.
Poison would have to be an on hit only move for it to kill like that. That would make him the only character in the game who can chip without super and how easily he gets poison anyway would give him way too many checkmate situations.
@@powahbomb Given how overall weak and unplayed FANG is, sometime crazy like that is the push FANG needs. Poison is how FANG cheats a very constrained game but the cheat feels good but lacked that extra oomph. Also it makes sense that a lethal poison can kill you. Though considering the cure to FANG's poison is hitting him...ehh idk. But I totally blanked that poison applies on block. So making it hit only is a very fair trade. Or give him 2 types of poison. a less lethal one on block, and the more lethal version on hit?
@@robertgeorge4602 This kinda problem is why FANG has been middling. Poison is an inherently unfair tool, so making a character who does it fun to fight is way harder than making, like, Ryu fun to fight
I find it interesting that the design of FANG is basically a weird looking, extremely annoying, ultra-chinese guy. If not for Chun-Li consistently being a sexy, powerful chinese character in the SF franchise, FANG might make one think that the JP bros wanted to make the chinese look like insufferable twats.
Agreed, though it's a bit funny since the story in-game implies that he's technically not ethnically Chinese due being kidnapped as a kid like the other assassins in his group. It still makes me wonder if Capcom was trying to throw shade at the Lin Kuei from _Mortal Kombat_ too with that.
F.A.N.G., Gen, Yang, Yun, and Fei Long are all of the chinese fighters that I know of. Yang and Yun are op because Capcom was cappin'. Fei Long was never op, Gen was hard but only good, unless we count the genfinite that was only in omega. Were all of them annoying? I actually don't know because I find that I find anyone that is better than me annoying to fight because they are... better than me. The point is, no I don't think Capcom would cap THAT hard to go for racism lol
@@Kilesfactor Fei Long was briefly OP in _SFIV Super_ IIRC even before the fact that he could hilariously infinite Juri and a few other characters. (Also find it funny you didn't include Chun-li on the list, but otherwise agreed.)
@@Kilesfactor None of those are staples of SF which is why I said Chun-Li. Plus I was talking about SFV, and more importantly, China isn't a race and neither is Japan but it's a fact that the Japanese really do not like the Chinese. Don't be a dipshit. You knew what I meant.
I absolutely DETEST FANG, I hate him with all of my being! No one should have such an easy path to harassing other characters. All moves that propel a character forward WITH + frames or -2 on block should cost meter at the very least.
