"Okay, first off, we're going to make you facing Sharpe." "Why not Hagman? I thought he was the best shooter." "Why not Hagman? Well, lass, did you see any french officer around?" "... no." "Voila."
Round 1 at 0:38, round two somewhere in between, round three at ~1:41 while in a relaxed setting and doing her little piriouette each time she shot. Question: dumb Autism: triggered Weed: gone Answer: yes.
@@therealslimshady3662 round 1 was at about 0:21 with round 2 at 0:38 round 3 is at 1:12 so she’s just over by 12 seconds. The issue if you look she’s using a powder horn rather than cartridge like Sharpe would be using so that also would affect the time. If she had been provided with cartridge it would’ve probably closer to the 1min mark. Also the weapon she’s got is an American Kentucky rifle which was more for hunting than warfare compared to the Baker that Sharpe’s trained to use.
@@jonathantitterton9455 During the American Revolution the colonial militia used Kentucky rifles. It couldn't be reloaded as quickly as the Brown Bess musket but was infinitely more accurate and had a much longer effective range. At Yorktown things had bogged down into trench warfare and American sharpshooters with Kentuckys terrorized British troops and made it virtually suicidal to stick their head up above the ramparts of the trenches even at ranges the British thought impossible.
From a realism standpoint, there's no way in a field of soldiers that everyone there (perhaps except Lt. Ayres) didn't know that Sharpe dropped his ball. A blank muzzle loader sounds wildly different than a loaded one. Brandon F. has a video detailing this quite nicely.
@@FirstnameLastname-py3bc Even tho he uses a rifle.... Different gun from a musket as it is a smooth bore barrel, and the rifle has groves that twist in the barrel from my understanding.... The Red Coats use the Musket.....
I was shocked that none of his men said anything as they had to know what the sound of a loaded rifle vs powder load with no ball sounds like... I could see the rest of them not knowing the difference...
@@FirstnameLastname-py3bc To be honest I don't think I would know too but then again I have not really been around that kind of gun, just modern guns....But from my understanding the powder blast is different as the ball is not there to hold back the cloud as much... But like I said I do not really know.. I do know the basic's of a smooth bore to rifled barrel...I also want to say the riffle did not have a bayonet attachment point unlike the musket, but that should not effect the sound of the shot.. LOL
Probably the best scene of female empowerment I've seen. Miss Ellie knew well that Sharpe was a better shot, and she still took him on anyway. And when Sharpe cheated to give her advantage, she called him out, asked him to fight as an equal, and lost as a worse shooter, not won as a "weaker" gender. Brilliant scene.
@@roadsweeper1 Also women with the same level of training tend to be slightly better sharpshooters than men. Seem to be better on average at controlling their breathing, which, alongside the precision of the hardware being used are the main variables left when you have mastered sighting and compensating for environmental factors. Rare for civilians to have the necessary training to do so, and even today few militaries have enough women in the ranks for them to dominate even in fields where they have natural advantages, but modern sniper corps tend to employ a disproportionately high number of women for just this reason.
@@archerpiperii2690 Exactly. I would even say a 3" group @ 800 yds, semi-prone, with a cold bore, iron sighted *modern* rifle is an impossible shot, at least until I see evidence to the contrary...
@@fooanonymous Yep, no way you could be accurate with irons at 800 yards. Even if the rifle was accurate enough, you'd be doing good to even be hitting a man-sized target at that distance, let alone the sort of sub-MOA (at 800 yards) accuracy they're exhibiting here.
@@archerpiperii2690 "was wondering about that. It sounded like 800 yards. I own and shoot flintlock rifles. There is NO way at 800 yards a person could be that accurate." it's the accent he goes quiet on the H so it sounds like aundrid, which you hear as 800
@@vauxvids with that kind of rifle, probably. If you brought Carlos Hathcock back to life, gave him a semi-auto in 6.5 creedmore, and had him do that, he could probably make that group at 800 yards in around 10 seconds.
Not to mention he was using a British baker rifle if I'm correct. She had a Kentucky long rifle, which at that time was the most accurate long gun in the world, quote me if I'm wrong. The American made rifles during that time frame had rifling. The baker rifles were smooth bored.
@@evanbingesYT96 How could you think that a Baker Rifle lacked rifling? It is called a rifle for a good reason. I think you have it confused with the "brown Bess" smooth-bore musket issued to regular infantry.
@@pmagrin And these targets were 800 yards. Certainly possible with match rifles, but a war rifle? 2/10 would be good shooting at that distance with a Baker that survived the Peninsular War.
I've been watching the Blu-ray version of this series, and viewed this episode just last night. Probably one of the best historical series I've ever seen (and I've seen a lot of them). The attention to detail is amazing. And Sean Bean is outstanding as Sharpe.
It never ceases to amaze me the praise heaped on this series for things completely absent from it. What detail? The 1970 movie Waterloo had detail in spades. This series is a joke! Entire battle-worn brigades are accounted for by the presence of a couple of dozen fat-arsed, farby reenactors with spotless uniforms.
@@theradgegadgie6352 There's nothing wrong with taking creative liberties in a show that isn't supposed to be historically accurate in the first place. Not to mention this show had an incredibly tight budget. For what it's worth they did absolutely fine, especially for the purposes of telling a story. You want accurate? Go watch a documentary and don't get your knickers in a twist 😂
A perfect contour of the buttstock for the best possible cheek weld. Double set triggers for a 3-pound pull. A smooth 1:10 twist rate. Buck horn iron sights for aiming. A polished frizzen and flash pan along with a precisely fitted hammer holding a flint knapped from American flint rock. That American rifle was pure perfection. All handcrafted by master gunsmiths. Perfection! It's not the rifle that lost the contest.
A 1:10 twist? NEVER! My .50 Pennsylvania rifle has a one in SIXTY turn! One in TEN is for a CARTRIDGE, using smokeless powder! The least number of turns for a bp rifle was, maybe, one in THIRTY-SIX. Another thing: I BELIEVE buckhorn sights didn't come into use until later, on rifles that went west rather than east; Hawkins, and the like, i.e. shorter barrels and heavier calibers(I MAY be wrong in THIS). You're right about ONE thing, though; the American longrifle was one of the most accurate, beautiful(even the PLAIN ones!) firearms ever made
@@mikegrossberg8624 I guess there was no common standards between makers years ago. Charlieville muskets were smooth bore. Mine is .69 caliber, round ball, flintlock. Have a Hopkins&Allen under hammer with 1:12. It's a .45 caliber, round ball, percussion cap. A simple design that's a tack driver at 100 yards. A US Civil War Enfield rifled musket that's 1:12. It's a .58 caliber, percussion cap. Shoots Minié bullets. Not made for accuracy, but, does ok. All work best if cloth patch is used to surround the ball. Preferring a greased patch for the ball. Don't need to use bore patches if using Minié bullets. The rear flange expands to make a good gas seal. The under hammer design has the hammer under the barrel. The trigger guard is also the hammer spring. I lapped, not just buffed and polished, the hammer mechanisms to get a measured 4-pound pull. At less than 3-pound the sear would release at the slightest bump. 4-pound is perfectly safe. Seen various rifling tooling in reference books and museums. Haven't seen any tool sets that turn as fast as the rifle you mention, 1:60. But, there were no common standards of manufacturing back in the day.
Ellie is shooting a Dixie Gun Works Tennessee Mountain Rifle - 50 cal. I have one myself; an excellent shooter. No fancy brass furniture, and just a grease hole in the stock instead of an ornate patchbox. If I remember correctly it's in the neighbourhood of 1:66" twist rate for patched round ball.
@@SmilingDave My first bp rifle was a Dixie Tennessee, but in left-hand version. Damn good gun! The only problem I had with it was that I didn't have the skill(or the NERVE) to try inletting a patchbox to replace the grease hole
@@josephinhiding3595 Did he say 800 or 100? If that's 800 yards then it's ridiculous. Those guns won't shoot 800 yards. My iron-sight flinter is good for man-sized at 250. After that it is just luck.
I mean Sharpe could lose this and it wouldn’t actually mean much, being able to shoot accurately and being able to shoot accurately and repetitively in combat are very different things Man people have really taken this as I care that she wins, I just meant it as in Lt Airs etc shouldn’t try and mock Sharpe for losing
Even without that stunt, she still should have won. She shot better. True her rifle was superior, being a smaller bore rifle with a superior trigger, but she still shot better in my honest opinion. But anyway, the competition wasnt super important, he wasnt going to lose anything if he lost.
@Rory Forbes It is fantasy, I doubt anyone could consistently land shots with a flintlock and roundball at 100 yards with that tight a grouping even with a scope to aid them.
Not gentlemanly at all, its a shooting contest and therefore both genders should have equal chance of hitting a target, he doesn't need to make it more balanced in her favour, if it was something else then fair enough but its a pretty stupid scene.
@@danielpinnington4720 What exactly does Sharpe get here by winning? He's a veteran of hundreds of battles and has inflicted pain on more Frenchmen than the Clap. Everybody expects him to win a shooting contest against some silly broad. But if he lets her win, everybody respects her a little more, he loses absolutely nothing and she might even be so jazzed about the whole thing that she shows him her love hole. Also there are enough differences between the genders to where it does matter when it comes to a shooting contest, otherwise Olympic target shooting events wouldn't be segregated by gender.
@@GivemetheGravy well, for one thing, if it was written and filmed today, she'd have 100% no-scope hit the bullseye every single time while sharpe would have inexplicably missed shots even if he had a rep for 360 no-scoping mothers for the entire series. For another, the idea of a man "giving" the woman a victory rather than her "seizing" the victory would be considered "sexist" and thus never make it past the scripting stage, even assuming it went into the script. thirdly, the victory would have been treated as "her due" rather than an equal test of skill, much less a surprising test of skill. hell, if you want a perfect example of this, look at the new star wars trilogy. Rey manages to fix the Falcon, a ship trained mechanics like Han and Chewie could barely keep running, She managed to master a lightsaber to the point where she equals a fully trained Sith Lord despite never having actually even seen one before, she masters the force to a degree past Skywalker, etc, etc, etc.
"Patronizing of him to let her win." There, I fixed it. As for "Graceful of her to notice and insist he take the shot" her noticing while also focusing on her own shooting shows exceptional powers of observation, and her insisting that he take the shot shows her integrity. So--he won the shooting match, but she won in terms of inner character.
Wins the shooting match...and the girl. Reminds me of a book I read where this Italian policeman had this psychological tick where he HAD to play backgammon with a woman and beat her before he slept with her...he was an expert backgammon player so everything worked out well, but one evening, he kept losing against this one woman who WANTED to sleep with him, but was also an expert player herself, so they kept playing game after game...until she finally let him win, but he realized this, which totally killed his mojo.
Hagman actually says at a hundred yards, not eight hundred yards. It's his country accent which is confusing people. John Tams who plays the part is a well known folk music performancer as well as an actor and sings the theme song. Likewise Harper is as is the actor playing him, Irish, so the word is shite.
I can't remember if there was a handicapping of the match where he wasn't to shoot prone, but it could also be he simply preferred kneeling when firing repeatedly. As you saw she had to do a lot of repositioning after each shot to reload and for some that extra moving around can be fatiguing or get you out of a rhythm.
He clearly says "At A hundred yards", if you understand how the Limeys gobbledygook up the English language, entirely doable with both the Baker RIFLED musket and an American 'Kan tuck ee' rifle...
They did try, in Sharpes Regiment, Lord Fenner and Simmerson were trying to cover up their crimping operation they were going to promote Sharpe to colonel and send him to America with a rifle battalion to get him out of the way.
Major Sharpe is such a gentleman here, he's allowing Miss Nugent two advantages, 1) using a firearm with a set trigger, and 2) prone benchrest position. Sharpe is using a standard trigger (mil-spec if you like), and a supported kneeling position. Anyone who's ever done competition shooting will verify that having an upgraded, crisp trigger and having the most stable and supported firing position are both distinct advantages for accuracy in competition.
Sharpe has a shorter barreled rifle (assuming these are rifles and not smooth-bores) and is kneeling while Ellie is prone and had a significantly longer barrel. In the real world, this would put Sharpe at a sharp disadvantage and it would likely show on the targets.
@@00BillyTorontoBill Hagman was regarded as the unit's BEST. Better than Sharpe. That's why Hagman was so special. Chesire poacher, skills turned to hunting French soldiers instead of deer and such :D
Great scene but a few things to nitpick as to the outcome. Lady Ellie is laying down with a more stable shooting platform than Sharpe. Crouching is of course better in most cases than standing, but laying down with your gun on the ground or propped up on by the elbow or on shooting sticks, is normally considered ideal when shooting over long ranges. She also has a longer barrel on her rifle, naturally making her gun a bit more accurate on average. If she had to carry that rifle all day, like Sharpe and his men do, she may well have gone with the shorter lighter rifles that his men carry.
@@WALTERBROADDUS I know. And a hundred yard shoot is nothing by today's standards. Just pointing out some observations on this particular scene, as to how the lady was shooting even with Sharpe.Her shooting stance,longer barrel etc. In years past when gunpowder was becoming common in warfare many rifles were incredibly long. Really only usable in sieges. Her rifle is not that absurd, just a bit heavy for a lady to carry regularly.
@@Bandedcookie Well she is using a American made PA or KY rifle. It's for hunting. Versus the Baker rifle Sharpe is using. Still, they can shoot well in the right hands. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-mdu8piPP9NE.html
@@WALTERBROADDUS There actually was no such thing as a "Kentucky" rifle. That's just what people started calling the rifles from PA gunmakers that the longhunters carried into the wilderness of the "dark and bloody ground"(that's Ken-tu-kee, according to the Indian tribes who hunted there). And, if you notice, she carries her rifle on a sling, just like the Bakers. My 40 inch barreled .50 Pennsylvania rifle weighs 8 pounds. I don't know how much a Baker rifle weighs, but the Brown Bess musket weighed TEN pounds
@assassinlexx At a hundred yards or 800? His accent makes it sounds like 800, which agreed, is implausible. A hundred, which he actually says, would be extremely doable.
That is a set trigger arrangement. The first trigger advances the sear to a set position, hence the name, and the second trigger becomes a hair trigger - Easily releasing the hammer. Set triggers are actually quite common in muzzleloaders, especially the ones made for hunting small game (F. ex., .32 caliber ones).
@@adamhauskins6407 Good observation. What makes me doubt is that the Penn Rifle is an evolution of the so called "Jäger-gewehr", or Jäger Rifle, which came with some european folks - a good part of them german - who settled in Pennsylvania.
I agree, however Sharpe is much more used to firing from a kneeling position so it may be that after months even years of doing that he may be more accurate kneeling than lying down However I know practically nothing about shooting and that could easily be complete bollocks :P
I understand people miss hearing 100 for 800 but you can literally see the targets in the background at the end of the video. You would think that would clear up any confusion
I always understood that Bernard Cornwell took great care with historical accuracy so I don't believe that he actually wrote this scene (though I haven't read the book). Consistent bulls-eyes over eight hundred yards would be beyond the ability of a modern infantryman using an L85-A2, let alone someone using a Napoleonic Wars era Baker rifle.
After six shots whoever you are aiming at is safe. The Brown Bess, after the first round, was loaded to blow a huge crowd through which a bunch of bayonets would protrude as the lobster backs began their terrifying charges.
@@jherrenor Just replayed it. What throws everything off is that the Britts always seem very well-spoken. I expected a very proper _"One hundred yards."_ ...Still sounds like 800 yards, but I think you are correct.
steve gale That’s funny. So for some unknown reason, sometime after 1959 people started to clarify by saying, “One hundred yards” in reference to distance. ...Who knew???
@steve gale Right you are. My wife has a friend from the West who had enough "BBC English" beaten into him in school that he could teach and be understood. In his relaxed moments, he may as well be speaking Lithuanian!
at 800 yards, with rifles from before the days of standardised, machine-tooled parts and equipment, not only would they be unlikely to ever hit a single target, you wouldn't be able to chalk a hit up to skill either. the variations in the weight, shape of the bullet, the charge size etc would all make it basically blind luck at that distance
@@StonesSticksBones Yeah, hearing it again you're right, but being a Northerner myself it's very strange to hear someone pronounce the 'a' so clearly but then drop the h; if we were saying it normally it'd be 'targets at 'undred yards' and then 'targets at a hundred yards' if we were speaking proper, lol