Shawn Kemp Reveals Real Reason Sonics Lost 96' Finals To Bulls | ALL THE SMOKE

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3x All-NBA forward, Shawn Kemp, looks back on the 1996 finals when his Sonics faced off with Michael Jordan's Bulls. Kemp explains the real reason they lost the series and why it wasn't because of MJ!
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@coolmoe3289 5 дней назад

Gary Payton: "I Was Banging On Mike" I Can Hear The Jordan Laugh Right NOW.. 😂🤣😂🤣

@TellenJones 4 дня назад

Ppl held Kemp late career slump against him. He really should be in HOF.

@joeblow1878 4 дня назад

mj was trash while defended by gp. he can fake laugh all he likes

@GraniteMaster1068 3 дня назад

The Supersonics wasn't so Super 😅

@Guccimane0713 3 дня назад

Payton locked his ass the last 3 games but the adjustment was too late

@joeblow1878 3 дня назад

@@Guccimane0713 he was playing hurt. that's why karl didn't start him on mj gm 1. mcmillian also injured for that series. the two best sea defenders for mj out/hurt and he still was a trashcan.

@KelvinStanford 3 дня назад

Jordan always said Scottie and Rodman helped him. He never claimed to be the solo act.

@ling8956 3 дня назад

This is a drama RU-vid channel. All they post is gossip/drama. If you ask me, 1988 Jordan is better than 1996 Jordan in my opinion

@nintendofannot4898 2 дня назад

@@ling895696 Jordan had a chip on his shoulder. Plus he's more a complete player compared to 88 Jordan who still had a bit to learn and improve. Especially after sweeping the eastern conference champ Orlando Magic.

@curtislinden9297 2 дня назад

tell that to modern day fans talking about Celtics. they have to pin it on one guy OR they have to clown the stars for having great role players along side them, like its their fault

@Illtechnica 2 дня назад

@@nintendofannot4898 Not in the Finals. ‘96 Jordan was honestly very average by his standards. Jordan made more FT than FG in the Finals. He avg 11 FTA a game, +3 over his season avg. Jordan led the Bulls in turnovers, shot 41% FG including 31% in game 4 and 26% in game 6. Jordan solo lead all scorers in just 2 of 6 Finals games.

@WindyCityDoorDash 2 дня назад

I've watched Mike all in the 90s... he never claimed to be the GOAT... he never claimed to do it alone...he's always said "I could careless about the Indivi accolades.. I'm here for the RINGS"

@jimbarr4936 4 дня назад

This was the funniest "All The Smoke" I have ever seen. I am so grateful RU-vid gives this type of platform for the real stories to come out. Nothing water down. This story has been in the vault since 1996. This is something you hear when you are friends with super stars like yourselves. Shawn Kemp was an incredible player to watch growing up. Glad you had him on the show.

@jimbarr4936 4 дня назад

It was the Rodman story. Could not stop laughing. But the stories about MJ being so great that no one could stop him even with a good plan in place.

@lavellesogucc1 2 дня назад

He wasn’t no where near a superstar.

@cheezezlayer493 2 дня назад

@@lavellesogucc1 points isn't the only thing that can make a player a superstar it's the skills that can turn the tide

@CheechTheBong 2 дня назад

@@jimbarr4936watered*

@redformaze5968 2 дня назад

The hate on Jordan all these years later are getting old. They were ALL afraid of Jordan! Now? Oh he wasn't all that. Crazy!

@michalmoczulski7728 6 дней назад

Need more reign man. Electrifying in the 90s

@BiGsImY 3 дня назад

Factuals

@danielvega6191 2 дня назад

Sadly, he robbed himself of a lot of prime years.

@ktapreswreckd921v9 2 дня назад

@@danielvega6191Sadly. Kemp could have been a all-star caliber player until he was 36? But we will never know?

@ZdenekZeman433 5 дней назад

14.7 rebs in the Finals. At 6.7". Crazy numbers

@shawnbrevik9759 5 дней назад

Best rebounder ever

@jaseallenson316 5 дней назад

Beast, but Josh Harts numbrr in these playoffs at 6-4 were at least as mind blowing. Its insane how he does it, being he isnt 100% focused on def and rebs like rodman was. Especially with all the knicks injuries, they need Hart to do more than just defend and rebound.

@themetalpig7613 5 дней назад

2 games in that finals series with 11 offensive boards giving him equal first in the record books for finals with 2 of the 3 times it had happened. Wes Unseld was the other with 11 too. Don't know if it's been beaten since.

@afterthought6889 5 дней назад

It's not crazy if it's the only thing you do. All he has to do is hustle. Much less thinking.

@jayaidsmarstef7340 5 дней назад

@@afterthought6889 gotta defend too.

@darrenhutchinson8348 2 дня назад

Dennis doesn’t get enough respect for just how mentally draining he was towards players. You cannot plan for a player like him. Without him there would have been no three peat. Out of Chicago’s 6 championships the 2nd 3 peat was 5 times better than the 1st because of Rodman. Please look at the total picture of Rodman’s effect on all the games he played with Chicago during those 3 years. His hustle, mental strength, rebounding and defensive was unmatched for every team they faced. You knew what to expect from Jordan and the others but Rodman was a different beast.

@BRaggles День назад

He actually does get that respect. You're just trying to sound like you're the only one who has ever said that. 😂

@abner0584 День назад

It’s a team sport. Everybody has a role. If you take Rodman and replace him with another player for his position, do you think the Bulls couldn’t win? If you take MJ and replace him with another shooting guard, do you think they could’ve won?

@ericlou3405 23 часа назад

HOF he got his respect

@user-jf8fr2yd2v 12 часов назад

Crqzy how he did it all while partying and enjoying himself. One time Phil and MJ had to personally go to Vegas to get him out of his room where he was sleeping with a model. And that was during their crucial finals game.

@Atlas365247 6 часов назад

Disagree. The 1st 3peat had a highly talented roster.

@darylcarr8748 5 дней назад

Rodman was HUGE in the series and that 2nd 3peat period

@TJ-nq5nt 5 дней назад

Rodman should be the detriot pistons head coach.

@lbbyron154 4 дня назад

Bro it's the youngsters that don't know this shit we all 37 and older knows this this

@ling8956 3 дня назад

@@lbbyron1541996 Bulls as a team are considered the best Bulls. Though 1993 Jordan is better, 1996 Bulls are the team

@Illtechnica 2 дня назад

Dennis had 41 offensive rebounds and 88 rebounds total. That was 2/3 of the Sonics offensive rebounds as an entire team.

@marcus813 День назад

I don't think that threepeat happens without Rodman. He was that important to those Bulls.

@RichGannon12 6 дней назад

That dunk Kemp did on Rodman in that 96 finals game 4 priceless 😂

@bodeezy78 5 дней назад

Kemp was killing rodman but rodman still get boards

@reddrumm5618 5 дней назад

What made it funny kemp dunked on him and he stood right there

@ericwalton9356 5 дней назад

Kemp dunked on Pippen so wicked that series also. I think it was Game 6.

@MP-mr8rj 5 дней назад

Legendary 🔥

@oneyedthing 4 дня назад

@@bodeezy78 Kemp was killing all in the offensive end.

@KeepIt1HuniTT 2 дня назад

🤣😂🤣😂 Dennis Rodman was a master at mind games. Man it is so good to see Shawn Kemp giving an interview. For those that don't know, this is Shawn "The Reign Man" Kemp. This dude was a monster and executed a reign of terror in the NBA. I'm glad he's in front of the camera sharing with us. Definitely should be in the Hall Of Fame.

@broncoramfan 6 дней назад

Rodman owns a major amount of property in former nba players head... the fact that Frank Brickowski didn't murder Rodman on national tv still amazes me

@themetalpig7613 5 дней назад

Going back and looking at Bricks first ejection, I'd love to know what he said because the ref was none other than Joey Crawford. But yeah Rodman beat him mentally. I mean got him ejected twice!

@dearshomy 5 дней назад

It was really that bad?

@themetalpig7613 5 дней назад

@@dearshomy Bad enough that Brick got ejected from 2 games that finals series, basically all Rodman's doing.

@dearshomy 5 дней назад

@@themetalpig7613 Yeah, I came looking for the video because of a Shawn Kemp interview.

@___Anakin.Skywalker 5 дней назад

Lebron jus chillin lettin old negas prove he GOAT not nba manufactured Jordog

@joeymoore1258 5 дней назад

I remember when I lived in Seattle as a kid kemp showed up to Garfield community center dressed up as Santa clause and when I sat on his lap he asked me who was my favorite player and I told him Allen iverson

@JohnDoe-zr8pc 5 дней назад

Kemp was a career ruined by drugs. Specifically his choices to take them. It’s too bad too, because he had the skills to be a generational player.

@BridgesOnBikes 5 дней назад

Damn dude… did you know it was Kemp or were you still believing in Santa at the time?? I had a similar story when I met Cliff Robinson. He was my favorite player on my home team, Portland, when I was 7 and I met him randomly while wearing a Sonics shirt. I felt like a traitor. 😮

@odogz27 5 дней назад

PAUSE!!!

@joeymoore1258 5 дней назад

@@odogz27 you definitely right I was supposed pause that lol

@joeymoore1258 5 дней назад

@@BridgesOnBikes yea I knew it was him i was like 8 he was the tallest Santa I ever saw and no my mom told me Santa wasn’t real from the beginning

@BouchIsOnTheLoose702 4 дня назад

MJ averaged 30.7 points per game and Rodman averaged 13.7 rebounds per game during the 1996 NBA Playoffs. Scottie had a decent postseason with 16.9 points per game.

@lamefart 3 дня назад

Decent? Pip was shooting bricks! He's not even 40% in the whole playoffs! 🧱laying Pippen.

@klaythompson663 2 дня назад

MJ averaged 27ppg in the finals shot 41% FG.

@wubranch1 2 дня назад

@@klaythompson663he doesn’t care, mj pole riders treat him like he’s Jesus.

@onetwo8847 2 дня назад

@@klaythompson663and Bulls' second highest scorer averaged 15 on 34%... MJ carried them still

@juventinos81 2 дня назад

@@klaythompson663 Thats great if you consider what he had to carry.Pippen shot 34%,Kukoc 42%,Kerr 30%,Harper 37%.Second player averaged 15ppg in 34%.And Jordan carry that team to the championship.Now keep on crying.

@kidlightning1736 3 дня назад

That finals game 6 back in Chicago against the Sonics Rodman was a beast he had double digits in rebounds and about 7 or 8 of those were offensive...unreal!

@cliffordfernandez3524 3 дня назад

Rodman was such an incredible defender n rebounder He really dominated the boards n f with peoples heads lol

@locdorx 5 дней назад

I am glad this is brought up. Rodman is so underrated. People don't realize that Roadman is the only one who can guard Shaquille O'Neil. He was able to push back and frustrate him

@TahajjudVance 5 дней назад

He couldn't guard him fam

@LoveHard-lm1se 5 дней назад

Lmao

@themetalpig7613 5 дней назад

@@TahajjudVance You may be aware of footage of MJ and Pippen holding Rodman back from an altercation and all falling over. Why? Because they didn't want Rodman ejected because he was shutting Shaq down. A simple search on YT shows several examples of Rodman shutting him down, both when he was with Magic and Lakers.

@melvinhhcp3615 5 дней назад

@@TahajjudVance Shaq himself said Rodman could do it.

@Xpander1110 5 дней назад

People laugh and call me crazy when I say he is in my top 10 of all time because of the special things he could do to the best of the best of players.

@TheSiskin26 3 дня назад

Kemp is right! Rodman gave his best performances in that series. He killed them on the court and mentally

@ssj-rose4572 4 дня назад

The fact you cant give mike any credit tells me he best you

@TDCatcher 6 дней назад

I remember saying that Rodman was the MVP of that series. Mike was Mike but Rodman was special in that series.

@christophercomitini8619 5 дней назад

Facts Rodman was the MVP, he came up with the big plays at the right time. Whether it be a bucket, a rebound, an assist or a defensive stop.

@themetalpig7613 5 дней назад

You could even be forgiven for saying Mike wasn't Mike, to a degree. Career low shooting percentages in finals and was held below his seasonal averages. Still great compared to others, but he was below his own standard from the regular season.

@704jizzle2 5 дней назад

MJ only fell off after game 4 he was going thru the things off court gambling etc still avg 27 but before game 4 MJ was avg 30+ in that series@@themetalpig7613

@Celothxu 5 дней назад

Nah bro. Rodman avged 8 ppg and defended brickouski. Kemp was defended by luc. And since Phil don't double team, it was just luc whenever Kemp was on the flr. Did Dennis defend him at times? When luc was sitting.

@Celothxu 5 дней назад

MJ 27/5/4 to Rodman 8/15/3. MJ lead all scorers, and in the last game, he lead his whole team and outscored Payton and Kemp for the chip. MJ 22/9/7 DR 9/19/5 It's basketball not REBOUNDball. MJ deserved the fmvp.

@bradwade5331 5 дней назад

Just last week I was telling my son(17) about Shawn Kemp and how good he was ,the best power dunker of all time and its great to hear from him.

@TheManOfTheHourEveryHour 5 дней назад

He's not a better power dunker than Nique or Shaq.

@SkyNetGeneral- 3 дня назад

@@TheManOfTheHourEveryHourkemp did dunk harder than dom and shaq is a 7 foot fat giant . Kemp also dunked harder than Vince and Antonio mcdyess.

@onlyrog5 2 дня назад

Nique was the best power dunker. Kemp had power and finesse. Zion resembles his athleticism.

@chrisgoat6435 5 дней назад

There is a reason Jordan once told Phil, we need Rodman and his 20 rebounds..........

@DarinAtkins 3 дня назад

Jordan never said that lol

@cheezezlayer493 2 дня назад

heck they all needed each other

@chrisgoat6435 День назад

@@DarinAtkins Shows how uneducated you are

@Alkiel 5 дней назад

Detlef on Mj…George Karl doing George karl 💩

@StephanLamar81 3 дня назад

Facts. That should’ve been Nate McMillan, David Wingate, Vincent Askew, and Hersey Hawkins assignment.

@toddsands6000 3 дня назад

I guess most fans could almost see why coach George Kark wanted to put Detlef Schrempf on MJ with a 4-inch height advantage at 6' 10." All that did was place Detlef on an uncomfortable island anytime the ball went to MJ. MJ was obviously licking his chops with that matchup.

@jerryalexander8803 3 дня назад

😂😂😂 facts

@leifanthony8182 2 дня назад

This was Nate McMillan's assignment. Nate McMillan was suffering with a back injury during that season. He was able to hang on for another 2 years never playing more than 55 games before being forced to retire at 33. He played 6 min. in game 1, sat games 2 and 3 (all Bulls wins) at total of 40 min. in games 4 and 5 (Sonic wins) and sat game 6 (Bulls win). His injury is the reason Karl had Detlef on Jordan. Otherwise Gary would have to run the offense AND fight Mike.

@jerryalexander8803 2 дня назад

@@leifanthony8182 actually Payton did guard Jordan in games 4,5,6, which is the reason the Sonics got back into the series, George Karl caught a lot of flack for not having Payton guard Jordan from the start because he held Jordan in check the last 3 games but the sonics were already down 3-0 so it was kind of too late..

@John_Hoover 5 дней назад

“I’m too big for Dennis.” Shaq has entered the chat.

@TL2354 5 дней назад

Where?

@TheEsquireOfSports 4 дня назад

Yeah, he wylin... had Shaq looking like an elephant with a mouse, but Kemp thinks HE was too much for Dennis lmaooo

@kevindaniel8119 3 дня назад

@@TheEsquireOfSportshe added agile. I think they also made the difference his size and his agility.

@TheEsquireOfSports 3 дня назад

@@kevindaniel8119 Doesn't matter. I watched Dennis enough to know that's cap just like everything else Kemp is claiming about Mike for that matter.

@kylonp7311 2 дня назад

@@TheEsquireOfSportshe avg 25 against Dennis that finals 😂😂😂

@BwAaS 6 часов назад

Shawn Kemp in his prime. The most electric player I ever saw! He did stuff you did not think was possible. I'm a lifelong Lakers fan, But there was a couple years there where Kemp, Shremp, and Payton were alot of fun to watch.

@danwesson1934 6 дней назад

Pippen in prime, guarding Kobe would have been interesting.

@melvinhhcp3615 6 дней назад

Kobe routinely torched Pippen.

@danwesson1934 5 дней назад

@@melvinhhcp3615 Pippen in his PRIME. That’s prob around 1991 to 1994. Kobe wasn’t in the league yet.

@melvinhhcp3615 5 дней назад

@@danwesson1934 He was in his prime still in 96, 97, and 98. He got torched by Penny, Grant Hill, then Kobe. The REAL elite perimeter players in the NBA had their way with Scottie.

@truthiscensored 5 дней назад

Pippen was over rated as Defensive player. All these "Shut Down or Lock Down Defenders" are myths and legends...No such thing as Lockdown Defender. Almost Wing player used to give Pippen Buckets. From Bird, Dominique, Drexler to Kobe, Grant hill, Penny

@mikewilliams9069 5 дней назад

@@melvinhhcp3615what sctoopidcomments, pippen saved jordan numerous times

@lillil2913 3 дня назад

Mike had 2 games scoring under 26 and that was 22 and 23 the other 4 was 26,28,29,and 36 definitely the MVP!!! Mj the goat 🐐

@eappleby9702 3 дня назад

If he plays like that against any team Bron played in the finals the Bulls are losing. Jordan was blessed to play in the 90s

@user-mv9dk4zb5c 3 дня назад

@@eappleby9702Yo kid give Mike half the help queen james has had he wouldn't be 4-6 in the finals he would be 10-0 believe that

@x-man9473 2 дня назад

@@eappleby9702 Not really. >LeBron performed poorly in 2007 and 2011. >Then in 2014, when Bron played passively on offensive in games 1-2, the Heat and Spurs were going neck and neck. But in games 3-5, Bron took over the offense and the Heat started getting destroyed. >His 2015 finals loss was due to Kyrie and Love being injured and not playing in the finals. So, 4 out of his 6 losses seem to be factors, non-related to competition.

@algladyou 2 дня назад

@@eappleby9702 defense and score inflation. MJ will be scoring more in Bron's finals

@bigdawggrese8128 2 дня назад

@@user-mv9dk4zb5cno he wouldn’t 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@eddiewhite5057 3 дня назад

He is right. It wasn't Jordan. But it wasn't Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc, Phil or any one person that did Seattle in. It was a collective effort from the team. Everyone did what they were supposed to do whether it was a little less than normal or more than normal. The better TEAM won.

@cheezezlayer493 2 дня назад

thats the best conclusion It's a team sports after all

@ktapreswreckd921v9 2 дня назад

We'll spoken. Coming from a Seattle fan.

@bvax День назад

Facts!

@mofoyoung 4 дня назад

Being a Seattle-area high schooler in 96 was so epic, Sonics and Mariners playoff runs, and the music scene was spotlighting the region. Skipping school for the Finals and Cobain's memorial it felt like we were the center of the universe.

@zengroove16 2 дня назад

So True... Rod was one of the best Rebounders ever... I pulled for the Sonics that Finals. Kemp is awesome. I enjoyed how aggressive Kemp was. He'd dunk on everyone. I liked when they had the Glove, GP was dynamic.

@mrsaumty1408 4 дня назад

Game 1: 26pts-2-7 Game 2: 29pts--8-6 Game 3: 36pts-5-3 Game 6: 22pts-9-7 MJ is the GOAT🐐

@Illtechnica 2 дня назад

Jordan made more FT than FG in the entire 1996 Finals, avg 9.5 FTM a game. Which means Jordan avg just 17.5ppg on non-FT’s in the 1996 Finals. He shot 41% FG for the whole series, including 31% in game 4, and 26% in game 6. And he solo-led all scorers just 2 times in 6 games.

@juventinos81 2 дня назад

@@Illtechnica So what you are trying to say?That we need to stop counting points that comes from free throws and give the championship to Sonics?

@Illtechnica 2 дня назад

@@juventinos81 No. Rather, that Jordan didn’t win the Finals by himself. And by his lofty standards, he was average at best. Evidence by him making more FT than FG in the 96 Finals. And Dennis, with his 41 offensive rebounds and 88 total rebounds, was more of a Finals MVP in 1996 than MJ.

@geraldjohnson8814 2 дня назад

how many of those stats were fake? lot of games he got stats that never happened its pretty bad and blatant

@outside-scamming 2 дня назад

u kissing a few games huh? can’t just be posting his good games

@michaelmcbee6351 5 дней назад

Great Interview I Enjoyed Great stories

@reddrumm5618 5 дней назад

This is not news for people who actuall watched the game and remember the sonics coaching said rodman was killing them ..

@pmontyjaaaymes488 5 дней назад

Im sure this is for the ppl that didnt watch.

@lbbyron154 4 дня назад

Exactly bro all these dum young fucks don't know shi I'm glad the OGs like Kemp is coming out saying this but yes we all knew this

@ling8956 3 дня назад

Its for Drama. If not they would just say "Rodman dominated.* But to specifically say *not Jordan* is to cause arguing. Scoring is simply going to be appealing from an entertainment perspective.

@ling8956 3 дня назад

@@pmontyjaaaymes488if people watched the games, 4 out of 6 was Jordan domination. The last 2 games had both teams missing so many shots the game was difficult to watch.

@barrywilliamsjr5390 5 дней назад

Not having a healthy Nate McMillan didn't help. When it came to 2 way role players at the guard position, Nate may have been the best at the position at the time. Nate could shoot the three, drive to the basket and was an excellent defender. But his back injury made him totally ineffective in the finals.

@TATNThisAintThatNetwork 5 дней назад

No MJ was the best 2 way player

@barrywilliamsjr5390 5 дней назад

@@TATNThisAintThatNetwork You obviously didn't read my reply carefully. I said 2 way ROLE player at the time and MJ clearly wasn't a role player. Now when it comes to who was the greatest 2 way playing guard ever than it was MJ obviously💯

@TATNThisAintThatNetwork 5 дней назад

@@barrywilliamsjr5390 thanks for the clarification. I’m a speed reader. My bad. 👍🏿🐻⬇️

@TATNThisAintThatNetwork 5 дней назад

Further: Nate was beyond his prime and MJ would have torched him tbh 😃

@TheEsquireOfSports 4 дня назад

@@TATNThisAintThatNetwork Nate is younger than Mike lmao

@hottrakz 4 дня назад

the man gave his humble honest opinion, this is why everybody has to play their part. jordan always says he couldn't do it without his team it's the fans and the media who claimed he did it by himself. when a score is needed you know where the ball is going and we all know what the results will be no matter who's in front of him, that's why he's the goat in my book.

@ling8956 3 дня назад

No one claims he did it by himself. People say Lebron creates superteams which is unfair. So, thats its hyperbole comparing Lebron's superteam

@ling8956 3 дня назад

The 1996 Bulls were the best Jordan team. Things like 1993 or 1998 gave the impression of a 1 man army. But its hyperbole to point out Lebron's help

@ling8956 3 дня назад

Also, 1996 Jordan is not the same as young Jordan.

@ling8956 3 дня назад

The 1996 Bulls are considered a Big 3. Not other seasons, 1996 specifically. And 1997 to a degree

@user-mv9dk4zb5c 3 дня назад

@@ling8956Queen james created super teams and continues to lose...GOAT Mike team was super because he made them super not manufactured kill that pity party dog. Queen james has stacked the deck and lost more than he won period

@datsapaddlin 5 дней назад

I see why Kemp wasn’t on the Last Dance 😂

@keithen8708 5 дней назад

😂😂😂

@DraGanix33 5 дней назад

😂

@Andrew-py8wd 5 дней назад

Because the last dance was about the 97-98 season?

@Chosen1Crown 5 дней назад

97-98 and Detroit 😂

@Larry-dq4ig 4 дня назад

@@Andrew-py8wd You do realize they covered that particular finals in the documentary, right? It splits the time in the documentary where they cover the year you mentioned and the years leading up to it. The Last Dance isn’t exclusively on the 97-98 year content wise.

@LatrellSprewell15 5 дней назад

Kemp and Sprewell, my two fav players from the 90s. I loved this guy. The Kamikaze Reeboks and Pippen with the Air More Uptempos. Seems like yesterday watching those finals

@jshaw3143 5 дней назад

Great interview

@Speak.Your.Truth. 5 дней назад

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 the Dennis Rodman part

@longbeachmaumba7059 4 дня назад

Colored contacts 😂😂😂😂😂

@Infinitefuture6 5 дней назад

Gary Payton was injured the whole series. Nobody talks about that.

@mattmatt7720 5 дней назад

So was Nate, who could have been another option to slow down MJ. Dudes back was so jacked up he had to stand during the plane ride.

@benjaminbritt7862 5 дней назад

Most NBA players are injured with something after playing 100 games in a season ;)

@tommymack4677 5 дней назад

No he wasn't

@Infinitefuture6 5 дней назад

@@tommymack4677 he had a calf injury the whole series

@charltonmccullough4494 4 дня назад

@@Infinitefuture6 if he was injured, why was he still playing?

@-1Hawk 2 дня назад

Rodman played his role and Mike did what he was supposed to do. Mike is THE ULTIMATE and is what beat the Sonics.

@elburto5387 День назад

Great questions, going to listen to this pod more

@themetalpig7613 5 дней назад

There's a great video by Basketball Examined that argues for Rodman to be mvp. Highly recommend it! Its like 40 mins long. Goes in depth into the stats and the interviews with coaches and players.

@austinburwell5834 5 дней назад

He did a great analysis of the finals

@themetalpig7613 5 дней назад

@@austinburwell5834 Such a good job he convinced me Rodman was probably the deserving MVP. But unfortunately for him MJ's reputation preceded him and he was the golden boy of the NBA.

@cheezezlayer493 2 дня назад

everyone appreciate Rodmans effort and skills in contributing to the Bulls dynasty but long before him and even the finals in 96 MJ still is a two way player a man who can score do defensive ends and can do a lot of things in the game Rodman was good he deserve to be praised but the MVP still belongs to MJ he did a lot heck in the game

@MrWilson1972 4 дня назад

So the man that averaged 27 pts in that series and led ALL players with 552 pts in the 96' playoffs had nothing to do with the Sonics losing ??? Wtf

@bondson0094 2 дня назад

He was just ahppy MJ did not average 40...so to to the RainMAN it was like locking him up 🤣

@Art_Van_Delay 2 дня назад

Yeah, remember all the points Rodman made? 😂

@wubranch1 2 дня назад

So the guy got him all those second shots…

@spursfan3452 2 дня назад

27 is the lowest Jordan has averaged in a finals. They also held him to 41% shooting. His worst fg percentage ever in the finals. So they were definitely doing something right. Jordan was going to get his points no matter what. You just had to make it tough on him. They did that better than any other team has in the finals.

@Illtechnica 2 дня назад

How did he get 27ppg? Jordan made more FT than FG in the entire 1996 Finals, avg 9.5 FTM a game. Which means Jordan avg just 17.5ppg on non-FT’s in the 1996 Finals. He shot 41% FG for the whole series, including 31% in game 4, and 26% in game 6.

@otepdotnet 4 дня назад

Shawn Kemp was darn good back in the day.. When he is in Cavs, he gained weight and loss a bit of his atletism but still ballin and become an all star

@enigmathegrayman2953 4 дня назад

I absolutely love inside stories from NBA players!

@billybadass3056 2 дня назад

....dude......... I never realized how many of these old heads hate jeff LMAO.... I LOVE to see it........

@MrVernonjenkins 2 дня назад

Who is jeff

@billybadass3056 2 дня назад

@@MrVernonjenkins kid... YTF are you even here if you dn't know anything about basketball??? GET OFF THIS THREAD and GO TO BED

@MrVernonjenkins 2 дня назад

@billybadass3056 who is jeff

@billybadass3056 2 дня назад

@@MrVernonjenkins alright kid its clear you have downs... PEACE

@bGzzzzz 2 дня назад

Huh? Hate??? I didn’t hear hate, what I heard kemp say was “I have made respect for MJ”….🤦‍♂️ If you are equating him stating they had a problem containing Rodman or “pip would’ve been a great baller without MJ” as ‘hate’ then that’s stupid.

@IcarusFallz 3 дня назад

Kemp still sounds hurt 😂 Rodman was a big key to win, just remember Bulls won in 6. Without Jordan, the Sonics would have won. Jordan was still the rightful MVP and still closed it out in 6 and didnt mess around to get to a game 7

@KangoDaCrook 2 дня назад

He needs not saying they didnt need him. He’s they couldnt stop rodman, they did well on mj

@americandesi2k5 2 дня назад

1:00 the way Stack said "really" lol he knew man was capping

@Dude-etiquette 2 дня назад

Still crying about the loss

@wavegoat1930 3 дня назад

27pts 5reb 4asst that’s the finals mvp good Rodman helped they probably couldn’t have won it without probably would have but just because he helped a lot doesn’t mean he was the MVP. The MVP IS THE MOST VALUABLE PLAYER THAT MEANS IF YOU REMOVE ME OF THE TEAM YALL are not even here plz stop 🛑 MOST VALUABLE WAS NOT DENNIS RODMAN .

@KangoDaCrook 2 дня назад

He played better throughout the whole series. Mj is mj but he was getting handled that series for the most part

@torah6077 5 дней назад

Without Rodam, there is no second 3 peat! Period!

@TL2354 5 дней назад

Where’s the period?

@DannyP-dm1pw 5 дней назад

Yep because one thing people don't realize if the 1995 Bulls actually beat Orlando (Penny and Shaq) and got past Reggie they would of gotten demolished in the finals by Hakeem and Jordan would have a L on his finals record and his reputation wouldn't be as amazing. Orlando beating Chicago in 1995 did Jordan a huge favor most people don't talk about or even notice. Hakeem crushed David Robinson and Shaq that post season. He would of eaten CHicago up cause they already lost Grant and had no Rodman yet

@user-ju1rv5pc3h 5 дней назад

LeBum fans always want to play what ifs! IF Kyrie don’t score 40 and hit the last shot the cavs would’ve never been the Golden State just like if Ray Allen don’t hit that big 3 pointer they’ll never beaten the Spurs 😂 just go off FACTS!!!!

@Celothxu 3 дня назад

@@DannyP-dm1pw uh you do realize that the 95 BULLS (which was vastly different than the first 3 peat team, besides no MJ) blasted the rockets out of the sky by 19 right? Switch Pete myers for MJ and it would most likely be a 29 pt throttling

@Celothxu 3 дня назад

@@DannyP-dm1pw so may be it was Houston, Hakeem and Clyde drexler who was done a huge favor. Considering they got demolished and swept by the 96 sonics. What was game one? By 38?

@marvsmusings 2 дня назад

I was an LA fan, but I loved watching Kemp when either LA team played the Sonics. He was a monster on the court. Definitely one of my favorite players of all time.

@R__K 3 дня назад

Shawn Kemp is the Charlie Murphy of NBA stories. 😂

@iampioneer81 5 дней назад

Anybody saying Kemp is hating clearly didn't watch the series. Yall are just googling numbers. He's spot on.

@mohamedelmi5462 5 дней назад

I watched it, Rodman was great and an important piece but not more important than MJ.

@TheExclusiveOne720 5 дней назад

Lol I love when people think EVERYONE googles numbers and don't watch actual games While alot of MFers don't be watching full gamed, some do and as good as Rodman was...anyone in their right mind knows MJ was the biggest reason Shawn Kemp need to cut the shit, ya MFers lucky MJ wanted to win it on Father's Day or Seattle's sorry ass would gave gotten swept Since people watched the Finals, you know that the Bulls went up 3-0 after SMOKING Seattle in Game 3 Kemp be grateful, MJ could have had a sweep in 6 ring stretch and it would have came against you and your Sonics

@MWKDH 5 дней назад

Rodman should've been the Finals MVP.

@dirtyface-capone7622 5 дней назад

I watched it.I thought the Bulls actually looked bored.Never felt like the Sonics were actually a threat.

@Celothxu 5 дней назад

Wrong. MJ avged 27 ppg, 19 more than rodmon. He drew all the sonics to him, leaving ppl like rodmon open to get boards on top of the fact that he's a rebounding savant. But, nah, Dennis avged 8 ppg. It's called basketball not REBOUNDball

@Keepit_100 5 дней назад

LAST 3 GAMES OF THE 96 FINALS FOR MJ: 23.7 PPG 3.3APG 36.7% FG 11.1 3PT % GIVE HIS TEAMATES THERE RESPECT

@JohnDoe-zr8pc 5 дней назад

How about the series as a WHOLE? 28ppg on 44% shooting.

@TL2354 5 дней назад

Their

@cooljp1531 5 дней назад

@@JohnDoe-zr8pc still bad. 90s were crap, better than today, but crap. 90s were dominated by the second tier 80s guys because 90s guys were garbage, and it only went further downhill from there. If it weren't for San Antonio I would have stopped watching completely 20 years ago.

@lillil2913 5 дней назад

The whole series he averaged 27 pts breaking 3 games down won’t help your case

@patrickoriley6791 4 дня назад

MJ 1996 finals stats 27.3/5.3/4.2 But yeah, he didn’t beat the sonics at all. Dumb fucks.

@cedricscaggs1409 День назад

Thanks Rain Man for the memories even though I am bulls fan miss those days blessings bro

@craigmadden3350 День назад

Did kemp forget the finals were on nationwide television. Jordan torched the sonics the same way he torched every other team in finals.

@kellykcombination 6 дней назад

Facts. Glad someone else bringing this up

@thegrandpencil4374 5 дней назад

Yeah. I'm so sure that a Jordanless team would have beaten the Sonics. I think Kemp is just saying this because of the way Jordan laughed at The Glove on the Last Dance. That, and he isn't playing against Jordan anymore so there will be no consequences. Because rest assured, after hearing this? Jordan would have dropped fifty on his ass.

@KevinGardner-fq4pl 5 дней назад

By far one of my favorite episodes, Kemp fan for sure. ✊🏾

@chrisgonz9963 3 дня назад

Great to hear from Shawn Kemp One of the most exciting players in NBA History what a player in the 90 s in my opinion I like to see Shawn Kemp in The Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame in Springfield MA along with Penny Hardaway both Dynamic Exciting players especially in The 90 s

@carloizquierdo3313 5 дней назад

KEMP WAS DRUNK LMAO

@johnphilipmacaraeg3454 5 дней назад

Mike's 27.3 Pts Average, 5.3 Reb and 4.2 Assist on 6 games looks like MVP Quality to me.

@ImadogGarcia 5 дней назад

41,5% fg and 31% 3fg. It was his weakest finals

@user-dk8bf3us1w 5 дней назад

@@ImadogGarcia back injured

@b-gamer340 5 дней назад

@@ImadogGarciaso what

@erikhopkins9488 5 дней назад

5/19 in game six. stop 🧢!

@reasedogable 5 дней назад

He did damage in games 1 and 2

@frederickifill3107 5 дней назад

I’m glad this video is up cause I been saying this for years and people looked at me like I didn’t know what I was talking about or I just didn’t know basketball I’m sending this to all of them that argued with me 😂

@fondolon 5 дней назад

Everybody always has a could have have or should have and they would have beat MJ. It's a common theme now.

@ssj-rose4572 4 дня назад

Mj was 27 5 and 4 mj best you

@kevinsue1778 5 дней назад

how is jack just sitting there smoking weed like come on man

@warfarelover1 5 дней назад

Are you fucking serious? Like actually serious?

@Ausnapify 5 дней назад

@@warfarelover1lol

@keithen8708 5 дней назад

😂😂😂@@warfarelover1

@criticalthought4910 5 дней назад

He’s a bum and the show doesn’t need his input.

@BiggRobb843 День назад

Shawn Kemp, I remember watching him as kid, EXPLOSIVE

@jaydevereaux5623 День назад

They had Hersey Hawkins on him more than Detlaf

@moe3496 4 дня назад

He said they had Jordan but he averaged like 28-30 😂😂😂😂

@cheezezlayer493 2 дня назад

still thats a decent score + the other things he contribute to win the finals

@cybersub4693 День назад

ya at a time when nba teams scored like 90 ppg, w inflamation that like jordan scoring 40-50 ppg

@frandonfrank10 День назад

When 41% shooting

@Mizzyk401 День назад

These dudes are stupid as hell

@renkane3086 22 часа назад

The fact that you don’t get his point is what’s laughable. Hahaha my goodness. The basketball crowd can’t be this uneducated can they?

@timstark4731 3 дня назад

So Rodman beat them because he averaged 14.7 rebounds a game, wore color contacts and lipstick? Got it.

@KangoDaCrook 2 дня назад

Lol he’s saying they couldnt stop him & he had their team flustered. Which is true, they held mj in check, they couldnt do that to rodman

@timstark4731 2 дня назад

@KangoDaCrook I'm pretty sure I heard him say MJ didn't beat us, Rodman did. And, you are correct; they could not stop him from wearing lipstick

@KangoDaCrook 2 дня назад

@@timstark4731 which means rodman had the better series lol what are u arguing? Just go look it up

@timstark4731 2 дня назад

@KangoDaCrook I don't have to look it up. I watched it in real time and am very familiar with the series. Rodman was good in that series in a Rodman way. He wasn't the Finals MVP; that's ridiculous.

@DeepBlooded День назад

👆 how to tell the you never watched actual games without saying you never watched the full games

@alexandrossimitzis146 2 дня назад

Shawn Kemp! One of my favorite players of the 90s! Much love and respect for Shawn Kemp!

@mark11967AD День назад

In Game 6 at a pivotal point in the 3rd quarter with the Sonics pulling up to even the score Dennis hit two key baskets along with two free throws and just made some amazing game saving plays. He absolutely was responsible along with Toni for the Bulls winning that game.

@anthonyhaun1990 3 дня назад

Morons think Rodman was MVP. Smart people know if you put the stat lines up against each other MJ is the obvious MVP. (27.3ppg 5.3R 4.2A 41.5%fg VS 7.5ppg 14.7R 2.5A 48.6%fg) so Rodman averaged 9 more rebounds but MJ averaged 20 more points and 2 more assists and the fg% was within 7%..Jealous haters gonna hate. It's crazy how the only bad thing you can say about MJ is that he only averaged 27.3ppg in the 96' finals and won MVP...lol

@rickimhotep1236 5 дней назад

True story: 1995 I'm the cook at IHOP in Indianapolis. It's almost 1 AM. People coming to eat after leaving the club early. I see this big mofo ducking his head down to get in the door. Waitress walks him past the pass bar(where we put your order after it's done). I knew him right away. I didn't say his name, I just said aye, what's up bro, he bent down and gave me a fist bump. I told him I got you. He didn't even get to sit down good when this hatin ninja start woofin cause the women was all watchin Shawn. He got up and walked past me shakin his head, I shook mine too, he left. Ninjaz, boah! Shawn cool though. 6-10 in person looks like 7 foot to a 5-10 person. I think Pacers beat them by 1 the next day.💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿

@__L_S_B__ 4 дня назад

Dope story fam🤘🏼🤘🏼

@OmarCastillo-on9fw 11 часов назад

Kemp is the reason I fell in love with the game and I grew up in Chicago in the 90's

@hisdness1 3 дня назад

I love this. Just good old talk about the past.

@Evroyal 5 дней назад

I know the real reason. Michael Jordan

@dez_chi_boi 6 дней назад

To be fair Jordan had his worst finals against the defense of the Sonics 27ppg on 41% shooting is great defense on MJ, if Payton was on him all series who knows what would’ve happened. Crazy Shawn kemp came in 2nd in finals MVP voting he was unstoppable 💪🏾

@melvinhhcp3615 6 дней назад

Chicago was gonna win 96 regardless.

@bodeezy78 5 дней назад

@@melvinhhcp3615 def Chicago was gonna win and the thing about putting Gary on Mike full time was Mike was gonna put him in foul trouble

@dodgertalk5764 5 дней назад

Nothing would have happened. GP would have been a non factor offensively. Jordan would have adjusted.

@melvinhhcp3615 5 дней назад

@@bodeezy78 Factz

@PhoenixRising82672 5 дней назад

🎻🎻🎻

@shaungarrett5291 3 дня назад

As a Chicagoain , i remember Rodman was a beast in that series. I also thought he shoukd have been mvp.

@imaratspal 5 дней назад

There was a sequence for about a minute in the 3rd Quarter of Game 6 when Rodman scores off an OREB, gets an And-1 in transition, baits Kemp to commit an offensive foul on him, then caps it off with an assist to MJ

@hardwoodthought1213 5 дней назад

Believe it’s still the least efficient FMVP ever given out. I’d Iggy can win one because of defence, Rodman should have for his defence on Kemp and his nonpareil offensive rebounding which gave Chicago so many more possessions, cancelling out the awful efficiency

@Celothxu 5 дней назад

Bro that's a weird take. MJ shot 42% but he avged 27/5/4. (Lead all scorers) Rodman avg 8/15/3. And He didn't defend Kemp, he defended brikowski. Did he d him at times when luc wasn't in the flr? yeah, otherwise luc had him. And dude only avged 23 ppg. MJ scored more points than any bull, Payton and Kemp in the last game, and since it's called basketball and not reboundball, MJ deserved the fmvp

@davidschmidt1793 5 дней назад

Defense on Kemp? What finals did you watch? lol. Not only Kemp had the best series of his career, Rodman didn't really guard him much. You'd be giving him the FMVP solely because of his rebounding, which is idiotic.

@inefekt 3 дня назад

@@davidschmidt1793 "You'd be giving him the FMVP solely because of his rebounding, which is idiotic" No, they are LeBron stans. They are giving him FMVP because it makes Jordan look bad. That's it. They have absolutely no clue what Rodman did that series but they just parroting a narrative to prop up their boy....it's a sign of how utterly desperate they are.

@520Gotti 6 дней назад

Mfs hate the facts

@gangstagummybear3432 5 дней назад

I was waiting for the Jordan fanatics in here lol

@TA-ht4jo 5 дней назад

@@gangstagummybear3432I was waiting for the Jordan haters aka Lebron stans to comment about how jordan fanatics are hating. You didn’t disappoint.

@TA-ht4jo 5 дней назад

What are the facts? Did you watch the video? Or did you just read the headlines and then come to the comment section to post a comment?

@Celothxu 5 дней назад

The facts are MJ lead all scorers with 27/5/4 Rodman had 8/15/3. In gm 6 MJ lead his team in scoring (pls don't bring up his shooting %, a bunch of these misses were MJ getting hit at the basket and that's counted as a miss) and he outscored gp and Kemp for the chip. It's basketball not REBOUNDball. MJ rightly was awarded the fmvp.

@gangstagummybear3432 5 дней назад

@@Celothxu Jordan's numbers are far more a product of the triangle offense than him just being this dominant scoring force yal jordan fanatics want yourselves to believe he is, the rebounding is the feat that got the job done, that the fact, I will take Kemp's word over a Jordan fanatic.

@SwitchinLanez720 День назад

#BigSalute to Mr.Kemp...🎶Singing:I remember everythang...I remember

@kingsworld2220 2 часа назад

It’s crazy that at the end Kemp said he had a lot of respect for MJ and no one could stop him, but because he said Rodman was the key to that series some of u lost your minds. MJ was not the main reason for many of those championships, he just got majority of the credit. It’s a team sport and Championships are team achievements, but people love to just give the leader all the glory. MJ begged for a player like Rodman after they lost Grant to the Magic. He knew how important a player like that was to his team.

@JG-xt6eu 5 дней назад

“Ppl don’t give Pippen his props” is one of the dumbest things said when Jordan always said “You can’t mention Micheal Jordan w/o saying Scottie Pippen”🫤🤦🏽‍♂️

@nintendofannot4898 2 дня назад

But people do mention Jordan without Pippen all the time...? Even worse, they call Pippen a Robin To a Batman. That's demeaning. And now, people wonder why he went on a resentful rage tour with his former teammates... people just liked him because of Jordan. Usually people mention Jordan but they can't mention Pippen without Jordan.

@DJReyzor357 6 дней назад

Shawn Kemp has his own Starting 5️⃣ for the NBA/WNBA, NFL, MLB & FIFA.. 😅😅😅

@DamjanVeljko 6 дней назад

FIFA is not a league

@DJReyzor357 6 дней назад

@DamjanVeljko ⚽️ 🏟 is under it, Jack axx

@DamjanVeljko 5 дней назад

@@DJReyzor357 still not a league

@wtfx5757 3 дня назад

Kemp was one of my favorite players back in the day. I loved those Sonics...so exciting to watch. Wish they would have stayed in Seattle :(

@barrywilliamsjr5390 4 дня назад

Thanks for your reply Marc. A lot of people don't remember Nate Mcmillan the player. The Sixers are in desperate need of a player with the skillset that Nate had.

@unknownentity2750 6 дней назад

Y'all Lost like everyone else who got in the way 😂😂😂That Bulls Run Was Epic

@barrypeete6450 5 дней назад

Ok take Mike out and see who wins

@smoothsavage2870 5 дней назад

Take any of that big 3 out and the Bulls dont win. That's like saying take Jayson Tatum off the Celtics. It's a TEAM sport and Dennis had major contributions. An argument can be made for him.

@TheEsquireOfSports 4 дня назад

@@smoothsavage2870 The answer is Seattle. Save your BS.

@smoothsavage2870 4 дня назад

@@TheEsquireOfSports The answer is Seattle wins if you take Rodman or Pippen out of the equation too. So you can save YOUR BS.

@PatriotMOutlet 2 дня назад

This man just did a drive by shooting. Who’s listening. And I loved the sonics

@chrislanders7912 5 дней назад

Great podcast

@BallCDO 6 дней назад

This the only finals you could argue MJ should not been MVP

@user-be7tc2bd6e 6 дней назад

Who should've won it then????

@edscottable 6 дней назад

My pick was Rodman.

@BallCDO 6 дней назад

@@user-be7tc2bd6e Rodman, he was the difference maker that finals

@user-be7tc2bd6e 6 дней назад

@@BallCDO I'm going back to watch that finals series.

@TheLegend-qj7wh 6 дней назад

Kid, please. Jordan was the MVP

@SheriffChuck81-qq5vq 5 дней назад

The Sonics players still spinning from getting beat in that finals. "Jordan didn't beat us." Keep telling yourselves that sweetheart. Was Rodman great? Yes, but Jordan beat you. You threw everything at Jordan that you had and he still beat you. Sonic fans still hang on to the fact that they threw everything at him and it slowed him down a bit like that's somehow stopping him.

@normangarcia2059 День назад

Badass interview

@locdogg86 2 дня назад

I hate answers like this because if u take away Jordan they’re not winning either so it’s kind of misguided to put it all on Rodman.

@raurmanproductions3438 6 дней назад

Kemp was my favorite player growning up, And I love those '90s Sonics... But they were never beating that Bulls 96' team. However, if Payton was put on Jordan the whole series, it goes game to 7. Those '90s Sonics were the only Western conference team that could have taken the Bulls to a game 7 and George Karl screwed it up big time. Payton off MJ: 0-3 Payton on MJ: 2-1

@normajeaneason6983 6 дней назад

So in other words take away Jordan leave the rest and Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp would have won? He’s smoking some serious stuff

@melvinhhcp3615 6 дней назад

Chicago does not win without MJ.

@moneymoney3235 5 дней назад

@@melvinhhcp3615Chicago does not win without pippen or Rodman 🎯

@bryanttisdale2446 5 дней назад

Look at M.J. numbers worse shooting percentage by a mvp in the pervious 20 finals. The glove put in work. Plus George Karl didn't Start the series with Payton guarding Jordan like he should. G.P. had to tell him finally.

@YoureWrongHeresWhy 5 дней назад

Take a way RODMAN and they do not win, he claims. Which can be reasonable. Relax, Read

@datsapaddlin 5 дней назад

Jordan was obviously the best player but the unsung heroes were Grant that first 3 peat and Rodman the last 3. They did a lot of the dirty work in the trenches.

@JAM35jr 3 дня назад

It’s cool to see Kemp, my favorite player when I was a kid.

@DomEverythingEZ 2 дня назад

Scottie scored 21 points two times in that series other than games scored less than 20 one game he scored 9 point. Jordan averaged 27 in that series and two games he scored over 30. Either way Rodman and pippen did other things in these games but I hate when I hear people speak like Jordan had guys getting 30 points along with him. Nope

@DeepBlooded День назад

And 21 doesn't sound like much compared to today's numbers, but remember back then it was a defensive battle deep in the playoffs and teams weren't scoring much more than 90 points usually