I think this is awesome. ABS, auto shift, give me all the tech! I don’t know if I’d actually use this personally but I love seeing cool new stuff like this.
A system like that is reactive whereas a good rider is proactive. Good for noobs I guess. The one feature that genuinely looks useful is the ability to shift while keeping the pedals level. This could be handy if you are going downhill through a gnarly section and you know that there is a punchy climb coming up, you could shift down, ready for the climb without having to risk clipping your pedals.
@@mremtb7689 You can’t use the word “react” and then say it’s proactive. I would shift down before I even got to the climb and you can bet I would avoid crunching the gears like they did in the demo.
Great content thanks! I can see FreeShift working for me, not sure about AutoShift, I hear a lot of “bad” noises that I normally try to avoid when going uphill. Good to see some R&D progress on drivetrains. 👍
Nice, that is awesome, finally I can focus on important stuff like texting, playing a game on my phone or checking the stocks while doing a steep uphill climb or a technical descend!
Amazing how tech evolves! I am not able to ride as much as i did due to medical reasons. Looks like this would be a great option for me so i can go back to riding!
I tried one yesterday and, while I liked it a lot in manual mode, I was less than happy about its gear decisions in A1. On a decent gravel road I went from a nice downhill gradient around a curve to a similar uphill. The A1 setting kept me in 9th gear struggling uphill where I would have expected 4th or even 3d gear. I kept waiting for it to shift and finally went manual to 3d. If the rain lets up I'll give it another go today.
Ok from the sound of it you can tell it eats the material. Thanks for showing us. Now I know I won't switch to such things. Always good that this channel shows us what to avoid ❤❤❤ I like you very much 🎉
Just like ABS on bicycles, another solution to a problem that doesn't really exist. Like already mentioned, it just makes MTB's more expensive with tech for the sake of tech.
Linear progression is one thing where a semi-smart power ratio dilemma can be solved easily. However, the instantaneous progression over obstacles is quite a different story. If you can have both running simultaneously, using both modes, or all 3-simultaneously. So manual and terrain settings might make it worthwhile. If he said it’s possible, I didn’t hear that.
I’m stoked on this new tech, got me thinking of selling my current EMTB and buying this new one.. but I will give it a year for any bugs to be worked out first, until then shred on..
This ia all well and good until your Shimano motor gives you the E010, I'd rather Shimano spent some money on developing a reliable motor before trying to sell us a load of tech we don't really need.
Free shift seems useful... the same as a internal geared hub... not sure about Autoshift... and the shifting under load has me concerned... still waiting for a real gearbox and a belt drive system on a mainstream bike...
Why does shifting under load matter? The tension on the chain is on the top between the chain ring and the first few teeth on the sprocket. Where the chain is changing gears from the derailer, there is actually not much tension at all
That looks like it's going to really shorten the life of chains and cassettes by doing all the poor shifting we've been told not to do previously. Mixing that with sram's t-type system, on the other hand, would be fantastic
Shimano is probably not too sad if you have to buy more spare parts in the future, claiming, that this is just a small "downside" of the huge comfort benefit 😄
Cassette is all high alloyed case hardened steel now, instead of previously being part aluminium, slightly heavier but that's no drama for the E power.👍🇬🇧
Very nice but there sounds to be a lot of banging coming from that drive train changing gear under full load, I wonder if we are about to have a chain snapping epidemic 🤔😬
Gearboxes excite me and I want to try them and I'm excited to see them evolve in the future, but the biggest turn off is the current inability to shift under load, this is the greatest weakness for gearboxes on emtbs when even if you are currently in the right gear to climb, your angle and traction constantly changes on a challenging climb and you're left having to cut power to shift. Sounds extremely complicated to make autoshift work with a gearbox
It's a bit rowdy listening to a motor on an e-bike on a ride, listening to the gears crunching away as well might just be a bit too much for me (not that I'd put it on my muscle bikes either) !
A solution to a problem that doesn’t exist. More expensive more complex and gives bike manufacturers more reason to charge us more money. When I started riding an expensive bike was £1000+. Now it’s more expensive to buy a mtb than a car! Not for me
@@fraser6127 compare cheapest new car with most expensive EMTB perhaps? Or consider that you get a lot more motorcycle for your money compared to high end EMTBs.
@@fraser6127 I recently bought a BMW 1 series to drive around the UK with my bike. It cost 3x *less* than my MTB, and it's not even an electric MTB. So to answer your question; this world.
@@----.__ what are you comparing? A 15 year old car with 100,000 miles to a brand new top spec mtb? Hardly apples to apples is it. I can buy a old studio flat in the northeast for less than a new BMW 5 series, does that mean cars are more expensive than houses now?
@@fraser6127 _"in what world is it more expensive to buy a mtb than a car??"_ You're the one that posed the question, I simply answered it with a real world example. To answer your second question, yes. Cars are more expensive than studio flats. I would have thought that was obvious.
Shimano was able to do what enthusiasts did more than 10 years ago ... What a progress, something like with an electronic suspension, although it was even more fun with it because they actively demanded to remove the publications of enthusiasts because they violate copyrights and don’t care that they were before official developments
Now i could see this being useful for the kids, cant count the amount of times I have to resue a kid fallen on a hill, and get to them and they are still in 7th and never shifted down. Could be alright for bikepacking type rides but like driving a truck I would likely want to shift myself and get frustrated when it shifts at times, hate autoshift on trucks.
I can see the autoshift and freeshift being useful, especially on commuter and cargo bike applications. Not sure autoshift is something I would like on an eMTB though. I upgraded my eMTB to SRAM Transmission and shifting under load has been great feature when I shift late. Hoping to see a more robust/waterproof and serviceable Shimano EPxxx series motor in the future. If not here's hoping aftermarket motors designed to fit Shimano motor mounts become a thing. C'mon Bosch, get it done! :-)
Rode a cargo bike Urban Arrow with auto shifting (not shimano) in my past job, it works really smooth, but I miss the sound of my rapid fire shifters. Also when I normally shift I reduce the power I put on the pedals so the chain can go over smoothly, which is pretty much impossible to time right with auto shifting
Nice to see some advancement in the bicycle industry. Ebikes are becoming a very reliable and a viable replacement in the real world. I'm 18k miles on my ebike motor and it's not required any replacement parts yet. Autoshift is used in other vehicles so why not bicycles.
Looks like the point of this is for people who don’t know how to ride bikes/E bikes. I’ll bet many inexperienced riders lugging the bike up hill in the wrong gear in turbo ruining the life span of the motor.
so when i manually shift as im climbing i can time it so i take off some pedal pressure. How does this system NOT lead to that horrible gear grinding and destruction of your equipment. I know its more durable, but i cant imagine its good for it when you are pressing hard up a hill and it just shifts anytime it wants. otherwise, sounds really neat.
I was wondering the same thing. I think all this system does is you don't need to press the shifter trigger anymore but the gear change will remain exactly the same as manual shifting.
I’m waiting for Shimano cues. Supposedly they will exclusively feature link glide. And if this video tells me anything, it’s that link glide is exceptionally good at shifting under load.
5:08 Autoshift failure. No, it wasn't rider error but a clear demonstration autoshift's inability to anticipate and accommodate upcoming terrain changes.
This is cool but I just saw a video a guy from Switzerland had a bicycle accident when he was younger and he was paralyzed. He just had surgery connecting his brain to his spine and using Bluetooth he can now walk. Now that’s amazing. 👍
That’s nothing.... I’ve just watched a video where a robot does a hooker in the street then time travels back to his own dimension and leaves her wondering about what just happened
Great reason to add 2000 to the price tag 😂 but we will pay it because we love it! Personally i would hold off until an integrated system is achieved, fair play for this system and the research into automation. This would be a respectable decision for any new bike released. There are rumours of a gearbox / integrated unit being developed by Shimano as we speak.
the psi on the chain linkage must me immense on some changes, because it will change gear as you would expect, but at times you might not expect it, still a great tool to help you
Looks great! Definitely the future. But it sounds way rougher on component’s than manual at the moment. I am sure I will have this sometime in the future
This looks amazing ! What I have not yet seen on any review of these type of systems is Battery life and how to recharge them or are they replaceable batteries . Otherwise an awesome test !
Idk if auto shift is for everyone. You have to be going up some narly climbs to benefit from it. For me im happy with the GX system. When my ship comes in maybe ill be the cool kid on the block.
Nicely done. Even though you and the bike handled that abruptly encountered climb, I'm still thinking last minute shifting can't compete with human predicting. In other words manual shifting would start the climb in the correct gear, where as auto uses part of the climb to understand gradient - risking a failed climb. Maybe A3 setting: "Siri, I need 2nd gear" LOL
Is this why I have never been able to ride up a hill before? Perhaps my brain is different to others? Luckily or perhaps miraculously signals to my thumb seems to be instantaneous making gear changing thoughtless.
This gotta be the future, is the battery pretty small hopefully? This turns every bike into nearly a car in ease of use, or put this in one of those carbikes velomobiles, obviously, been wondering when this would come out and very glad it has. Congrats and great work!
When the bods in white coats come out with an auto shift/ free shift system that is compatible with a full phat Bosch motor, then and only then will I give the concept the time of day.
i'd be interested to see how long the chain lasts and how it works when components start to wear. id imagine it puts even more pressure on the chain. I think this looks fantastic for technical descents and especially in an enduro race decent but i'd be tempted to switch to manual for accents. this system with the internal gearbox would be the ultimate system..... good to see tech moving forward again.
Rubbish tech. All it’s doing is shifting under load which we have been told not to do since bikes were born lol. Shimano are chasing sram and running out of ideas. Until they make wireless it’s game over
I really like the tech but I reckon it would be better for the cassette and chain to shift in advance before going up the slope. I never like the creaking sound you get when you shift under load.
It's all cool and that, I love technology and everything to make things better, easier, more reliable, long lasting, etc......but hey, sometimes you need to ask, does it make really a big difference to your riding?...I still have to try it...But the real problem is cost, bicycles are costing more than motorbikes with all that...
i hate Autoshift. why is that a thing? i dont want anything to shift on its own. especially off road. freeshift is pretty cool though. you can actually do that on emtbs that have a seperate walk assist button by just pressing that and shifting.
Motor gearbox combos you would think will be in the works soon. Hey Steve? How much faster in the real world….! On trails. Test 1. Is this something else that needs charged up ? The so called cheap SX/NX on my husky has 400 hard miles on it trouble free so far. Happy Trails.
Can the E7000 do Auto shifting? 1. "Compatible with Di2 RD-M8050" "D) Gear shifting mode* 2.Displays current gear shifting mode as [A] (Auto)or [M] (Manual)."
Seriously, Shimano and friends are just treating customers like sht continuing to push derailers and systems based on them. The gearbox/motor combo already exists and is the only future for ebikes but then they wont sell replacement cassets, etc. EMBN know this and have the power to help push them into the market but dont. Lots of vested interests in the industry and its BS. PS- This auto system is going to eat your drivetrain even faster shifting under load all the time, enjoy buying even more parts from Shimano.
So i think this is great….now if I could only get a hold of a one. That said, the Canyon Spectral CFR has the 12 Speed version, and Im pretty sure you were testing the 11speed system. According to Shimano, the 11 speed cassette is 3x more durable than other cassettes which is key in eMTB. Thoughts?
...my Shimano drive train already "auto-shifts" ... It's just not always useful having the derailleur shift into a harder gear when you hit a hectic uphill.
I Thought Part of the Fun of Bike riding was Deciding What Gears to use,But I Suppose You Can Compare This to F1 They Have Not Used a Gear Stick For Years and Call Themselves Professional Racing Drivers So This Tech Will be in the Tour De France Shortly😊 Better if they Stopped Messing About And Spent Some of there Massive Profits and Made a Gearbox in the Motor With a Belt Drive As Chains and Sprockets are a Pain in the - To Keep Cleaning etc
So when is the “linechoice” button is coming out, and don't forget the bunnyhop lever. But hey, I guess some folks found shifting pretty hefty stuff. 😅
I've been looking for a link that has this bike listed with all the auto shift features on it but am unable to find anything with cost or models that have this. Is there a link to this bike and cost. Thank you
Wish they would just make the rear sprocket a fixed size and have the front on a variable pulley like the Audi transmissions. Just would get rid of that chain jump that gets your knee when standing.....
Only a good idea if they implement a continuous gear system. You really don't want the gears shifting without warning under load. Plus it's an unnecessary strain on the drivetrain.
Been riding for 25 years - still cannot see how this is even slightly better - AND WHY - compared to a 1995 24-speed LX, for instance. More weight, a battery to charge, 100x times the breaking points - but it's all good because it has an APP. I don't know how to say "keep your head grounded" in Japanese - but someone needs to tell that to Shimano loud and clear. Otherwise the fanboyism of "tech for tech's sake" seems overhyped.
@Anonymous One hopefully eBikes bring in a huge new wave of demand which can help to reduce prices over time but yeah I do find it surprising how similarly priced EMTBs are to motorcycles and besides a few risky Ali Express options there doesn't seem to be any way to get the best tech from 5 years ago for a low price.
Noisy shifts... but if the chain and cassette are designed to take that extra abuse without shortening their life then it seems like a great idea. Now we just need Shimano and Sram to collaborate and combine linkglide and the new derailleur mounting system into an industry standard... probability wishfull thinking 😂
The new system was designed to withstand shifting under load - they specifically designed the chain and tooth profiles to withstand it, which in turn allows a system like Auto Shift to work.
@Electric Mountain Bike Network made to withstand the shifting under load... ok I can understand but that's the same a wrong way to shift gears and only in emergency situations should be done, that fact that is considered "normal" in my opinion is a bad advice.
