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Shimano Curado 150 DC : An In-Depth Look 

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@dvdrwsor
@dvdrwsor 6 лет назад
6:19 - Next I'll throw this way so you guys can see. Throws in the same direction...
@MySpinner
@MySpinner 5 лет назад
Lmao
@obypry3526
@obypry3526 5 лет назад
🤣🤣🤣
@halimiabdhalim
@halimiabdhalim 5 лет назад
LMAO
@Luceium01
@Luceium01 5 лет назад
For real😂😂
@bittabrutha31
@bittabrutha31 3 года назад
Yeah what a Turkey!!! And the He
@southtexasangler
@southtexasangler 5 лет назад
Such a beautiful reel. Shimano’s are truly the best you can get.
@fishin3196
@fishin3196 5 лет назад
Pair one with a st croix then it will be a dream
@greygraham5361
@greygraham5361 5 лет назад
fish in or a g.loomis
@Jarbeefus69
@Jarbeefus69 4 года назад
They better be they are 300 dollars
@AlexPerez-ps5jy
@AlexPerez-ps5jy 3 года назад
@@Jarbeefus69 just the curado but the slx is 100 and beats any other reel that retails 100
@caseydangar1193
@caseydangar1193 3 года назад
Its shimano or nothing for me. Ive been through lews, 13 fishing, diawas, and abu garcias and none of them compare to shimano. It is the standard that all other casting reels are graded on and compared to.
@richardj6593
@richardj6593 2 года назад
I am amazed that people don't understand you never need to adjust the brake on a Curado DC reel. In fact, it will mess your reel up by changing the factory setting. If you do a You tube search for tackle warehouse and Curado DC overview, the Shimano rep will make this very clear. You also still need to lightly thumb the DC reel when casting.
@edstewart7688
@edstewart7688 4 месяца назад
Can this real be bought in a left or right handed handle? Also what is the difference between the 200?
@s43e43
@s43e43 6 лет назад
Love that DC casting sound
@taylorhickman84
@taylorhickman84 6 лет назад
interesting, it would drive me crazy
@Gfin28
@Gfin28 6 лет назад
its not a reel its a piece of art.
@Gfin28
@Gfin28 6 лет назад
just happens to function like a reel
@bellawright4265
@bellawright4265 5 лет назад
How much does that Chip cost when it goes bad.
@richardj6593
@richardj6593 5 лет назад
@@bellawright4265 249
@OldPoser
@OldPoser 5 лет назад
6:55 ridiculous is when you say you'll switch directions so we can see and throw it in the same direction 😂😂😂
@PastorG16
@PastorG16 6 лет назад
Three things: 1. I hope Matt has a speedy recovery & enjoys his "used" DC reel. 2. I get skeptical every time I hear "almost no backlashing." 3. Fans, (some of you) please stop arguing about go fund me pages. It's human nature for good people to offer help. There is no shame in that. However, it is shameful to be a douche to people who are concerned about a survivor & the well being of his family. Let's get back to Bassin'...'nuff said...
@skeeterboy77
@skeeterboy77 6 лет назад
Pretty slick reel.. This is why shimano and Daiwa are Tops in the reel industry..
@hc_gabe4078
@hc_gabe4078 6 лет назад
Trey Harpel curado k or tatula sv?
@msmoutdoors199
@msmoutdoors199 6 лет назад
Harrison C. tatula sv in my opinion
@skeeterboy77
@skeeterboy77 6 лет назад
Both are sweet reels.. SV is a little more versatile and a very nice skipping reel..
@msmoutdoors199
@msmoutdoors199 6 лет назад
yeah that t wing system is nice for heavy flouro
@smoovefishing
@smoovefishing 6 лет назад
My 14 year old daughter skips docks with the Scorpion DC and it does great for her and I sure the Curado will do just as good
@luisdecker7325
@luisdecker7325 6 лет назад
Just played with the Curado DC at my local tackle shop; wow, a true game changer. I have mostly Garcia Revo MGX but was impressed with the DC. If I end up homeless its because the wife threw me out of the house for replacing all of my Revos.
@chadwalker8859
@chadwalker8859 6 лет назад
I’m admittedly a Daiwa fanboy and love my tatula SV reels, but I could see me picking up one of these! Really cool technology!!
@ddm62571
@ddm62571 5 лет назад
@Hugh Mann Not really I have the DC and I wouldn't return it for anything. Not even for a MGL reel which are the best baitcasters out there!
@HatedSlays
@HatedSlays 5 лет назад
DC is better than any Daiwa junk out there
@bigfah2506
@bigfah2506 5 лет назад
Devan Crowe have you fished Daiwa? If you had then you would know they are not junk.
@AtypicalOutdoors
@AtypicalOutdoors 6 лет назад
The Curado K was already a great reel.....Making it a DC reel is a game changer!!
@K.S.24
@K.S.24 6 лет назад
So I'm not a professional fisherguy & I don't typically spend more than a hundo on a reel, but I'm feeling the need... the need for a DC!
@NamathCB
@NamathCB 6 лет назад
Hope Matt and his dad are good. Good video Tim. Been binge watching all your stuff to do my little part to help and to learn some new technics. Really enjoy the Smallie clear water vids!
@davidt1069
@davidt1069 6 лет назад
Welp.. that will definitely be my first non-daiwa reel purchase in quite some time.. and my first dip into Shimano. Can't wait
@davidbennett1709
@davidbennett1709 6 лет назад
Been waiting for this to hit the USA, gonna be my first shimano reel. Love you guys!
@richardj6593
@richardj6593 5 лет назад
I now have 3 curado DCs matched with Dobyns sierra rods .... love it!!
@matthoffman3513
@matthoffman3513 5 лет назад
Should I get a DC too? Does it do the work for you? Like can you still get a bird's nest while casting?
@richardj6593
@richardj6593 5 лет назад
@@matthoffman3513If you cast it riding your thumb lightly on the spool at the ènd, no backlashes
@JayMac
@JayMac 4 года назад
I've got em paired with st Croix bassX rods and it's AMAZING
@kodygordon4478
@kodygordon4478 4 года назад
Jay Mac same man! Love that combo
@jakevillaret
@jakevillaret 4 года назад
Jay Mac I’ve been looking into those rods but I’m really torn between the bassx or dobyns. Have you ever used both?
@caydenbrown1127
@caydenbrown1127 6 лет назад
The face you made at 5:07 when reacting to the sound was the same face my girlfriend made when she heard the price lol. Good thing she likes fishing😂 great video Tim.
@nate.hanlon
@nate.hanlon 6 лет назад
Cayden Brown help me out here. Is it really worth the extra over a k? I mean I know how to use a k I’m bout to save money and get a k.
@fishin3196
@fishin3196 5 лет назад
@@nate.hanlon yes it is
@thundergod2645
@thundergod2645 3 года назад
💀💀💀💀💀
@6thSenseJunkie
@6thSenseJunkie 4 года назад
Glad I saw this episode. I bought the curado dc and it just became my favorite reel. This thing is fantastic. You can’t make it backlash. I’m replacing all my casting reels with the curado dc.
@whippycongo482
@whippycongo482 Год назад
Still going well? Lol
@6thSenseJunkie
@6thSenseJunkie Год назад
Absolutely. All of my DC reels still work perfectly.
@williambannister1127
@williambannister1127 6 лет назад
Shimano's going to win best freshwater reel 2 years in a row with this bad boy! Can't wait to check it out.
@ambassin3280
@ambassin3280 3 года назад
Tim " I THOUGHT HIS REEL WAS COMING APART"😂
@katana3255
@katana3255 6 лет назад
Praying for Matt and his family. I rolled a truck when I was a teenager so I know the feeling. Hope you recover fully and quickly.
@MFC1029
@MFC1029 5 лет назад
If I am not mistaken you did not explain one of the most important features of the DC reel: how to adjust the tension knob, which is different from a traditional baitcaster and is key to avoid backlashes and also when properly set helps get the most out of the reel.
@rockylatham1849
@rockylatham1849 5 лет назад
I appreciate the effort you and Matt put into telling us about all the different tackle! There is just so much to choose from now days. If nothing else it gives us a feel for what we we are looking for. I spent a lifetime fishing the Gulf of Mexico so I am now having to re-learn bass fishing and OH has it ever changed in the selection of tackle available! As an old fart I had to learn the whole transition from mono to fluoro and braid fishing saltwater now I prefer the finesse side of freshwater fishing and doing things the bass don't see 100s of times a day. To each their own as I just like to fish for enjoyment and if I happen to catch a big one I let it go. This new Shimano is an amazing reel for the price! I'm glad they brought the digital reels back to the American market.
@OldLadyAngler
@OldLadyAngler 6 лет назад
WANT!! Thanks for posting!! Just did my pre-order via your link. Looks so awesome!
@mr.fatbasstard648
@mr.fatbasstard648 6 лет назад
Old Lady Angler was watching an w2f video the other day and they linked me to your Underwater Jackhammer Chatterbait video. Great stuff OLA much appreciated :-)
@OldLadyAngler
@OldLadyAngler 6 лет назад
Oh that's VERY cool!! Thanks for checking it out!!
@davidrussell9290
@davidrussell9290 3 года назад
Best reel I've ever owned. I'm glad you explained the settings. Great video per usual.
@joevang1
@joevang1 6 лет назад
Definitely sounds a little bit different from the metanium DC if I am correct!
@tressbassing
@tressbassing 6 лет назад
Alway bring the chest mount and the big camera tim!was excited to see that dc peel one in.maby do a short clip vid of the dc catching a few? Idk.also not gonna lie i am soo grateful matt and his dad are ok best wishes to them making a steady recovery. I am endlessly grateful for all you guys do for us,i am a better fisherman today because of you two and life would not be the same without you.thank you and know that im expecting some oregon footage in the future boys! One of the most underrated bass fishing scenes in this great country.soo come on out and let us pacific northwestern folk put you on some toads!
@willperryman4559
@willperryman4559 6 лет назад
As usual Tim, you've done The Best video I've seen regarding the new Shimano 150DC and I've been a Shimano user for 50 years... Best Wishes for Matt and his family, and I'm happy to contribute to help recover. 🙏😇🙏💯
@Bluezkat1
@Bluezkat1 6 лет назад
Awesome video Tim! It’s insane what the fishing industry is coming out with. And ya, the Chronarch MGL is insane ... one of my favorite reels for sure.
@nicetryb0z0
@nicetryb0z0 6 лет назад
Not only am i super excited to have the micro module gearing and an 8.5 speed, but i love the placement of the dial. The only time i ever get a backlash with my scorpion is if the dial gets knocked down to 1 and I'm throwing something heavy and don't realize it. And my curado ks are my strongest and smoothest reels I've used but my only 2 dislikes are 1. The outside dial is a nightmare to turn, 2. compared to the scorpion the braking system just feels ancient to me. Both problems are completely eliminated. I am so excited for this reel lol
@jtbassing17
@jtbassing17 6 лет назад
I just got one today 👍🏻 can’t wait to use it this fall
@croomrider9785
@croomrider9785 6 лет назад
Shimano upping the game! I just ordered a new froggin rod, I got a Dobyns Sierra 7’3” mag heavy.
@antwonantwon8433
@antwonantwon8433 6 лет назад
Why don’t you guys start doing more videos were we can se you fish along with the teaching stuff too that would be nice
@drewfarmer4088
@drewfarmer4088 6 лет назад
So sick Tim! Thank you for taking the time to show us all those settings. Nice and simple just the way I like it. Lol
@kevinh.9348
@kevinh.9348 6 лет назад
Finally....I been asking if dc reels are worth the money to everyone and nobody has gotten back to me. My problem is we fish 3 people on a z18 nitro so I am stuck sharing the deck with my nephew and can't sidearm my baitcaster. I backlash it more now since I had to change up my cast. I will be keeping an eye out for these when they come out. Thanks for the great content as always. Tight lines from KY.
@RyanSmith-fb8rf
@RyanSmith-fb8rf 3 года назад
Get the Diawa Tatula SV or the New Diawa Zillion 1000 if you can spend the money it’s best reel I’ve ever fished and I do own several Shimanos
@CBALLZ666
@CBALLZ666 6 лет назад
I knew you guys would get your hands on these before anyone else. I want one!!!!!
@COREYDEER
@COREYDEER 6 лет назад
I JUST SEEN TIM ON ZONAS SHOW!!! Looks like you guys showed them up to the monster spot lake. So cool to see you on there Tim!!!!
@theconceals
@theconceals 6 лет назад
Just picked one up! Can't wait to try it!
@matthoffman3513
@matthoffman3513 5 лет назад
How is it?
@jeffreyperryman3148
@jeffreyperryman3148 6 лет назад
3/8 crankbait turned into 1/2 jig with trailer? Would have liked to see the lightweight crank into the wind.
@petersouthernboy6327
@petersouthernboy6327 6 лет назад
Everything Shimano makes is really really good. From reels to bike shifters.
@johnnywalker4975
@johnnywalker4975 2 года назад
THIS IS THE BEST REVIEW ON THIS REEL
6 лет назад
This place is incredible Congratulations, *beautiful* video. Have a very successful week.👍😊🎣
@ajgeiger7417
@ajgeiger7417 6 лет назад
It's like the bugati of fishing reels wow 😲 so cool. Best wishes to the whole fam
@alex4given808
@alex4given808 6 лет назад
Now this is a DC I can afford, thanks shimano!
@CMDAVISs
@CMDAVISs 6 лет назад
the curado k is unbelievably smooth also
@ricardoalvear8765
@ricardoalvear8765 3 года назад
I use braid backing , with fluorocarbon i can get like 10 -20 feet distance more Plus saves money on fluorocarbon
@customhaines2510
@customhaines2510 6 лет назад
I was hoping you were going to skip it. That's a deal maker for me.
@oldhickory3028
@oldhickory3028 6 лет назад
I'm a Calcutta man myself, but It's crazy to think how far baitcasters have come just in the last 30 years. I Used to just have one real that did everything. Now they make a real for everything. 30 years ago my top of the line reel was $50. Heck, costs that much to put line on them these days. I am by no means old but to look at what I used to fish with compared to what I have now...WOW. lighter+stronger=more$$$ (Matt your still in our prayers brother)
@redfocus1353
@redfocus1353 4 года назад
I already have a good baitcasting combo and need a new open reel combo but this reel is really making me want another baitcasting combo
@fishermanmitch1
@fishermanmitch1 6 лет назад
Mine is on Pre-order....I'm so stoked!
@raymondpadilla65
@raymondpadilla65 6 лет назад
awesome to hear bout matt..you guys are awesome...
@marks8022
@marks8022 6 лет назад
Any reel can cast a jig. How did it do with the finesse stuff?
@markrigg6623
@markrigg6623 5 лет назад
Aint no finesse with 65lb braid. WTF?
@johncoleman7308
@johncoleman7308 4 года назад
mark rigg he threw the jig on 12lb fluorocarbon. He only threw a frog on the braid.
@tobiedavis8841
@tobiedavis8841 4 года назад
Yeah but can you cast a jig with 12 pound floro 60 yards with no thumbing on a regular reel i think not btw it is good with finesse lures i bought a few and its amazing you can cast a 3/32 ounce neko rig 50 yards with 12 pound floro
@AlexPerez-ps5jy
@AlexPerez-ps5jy 3 года назад
@@tobiedavis8841 please answer soon lol but what should I spool it with for jigs and stuff 12 fluro? Or wasn’t I wanna pull em out of cover
@jokrazy2002
@jokrazy2002 6 лет назад
Everyone should check out the other Shimano DC reels. Im not sure on this Curado DC model, however the other DC reels have an internal setting for Braid or Fluro and external dail from 1-5: with Auto dial as the 6th setting. Curious to see if this Curado has the same.
@coryhinojosa8020
@coryhinojosa8020 5 лет назад
Does it use a battery or self charge when spool turns?
@bradkendall2638
@bradkendall2638 5 лет назад
These DC reels are a God send
@5bitesrods
@5bitesrods 6 лет назад
Great little edit (montage?) in the middle showcasing the reel! Personally I’d like to see how it skips. A jig. Not the reel itself.
@tobiedavis8841
@tobiedavis8841 4 года назад
It skips very good i own one it it will skip a jig under a dock with ease
@rudyescobedo577
@rudyescobedo577 6 лет назад
Okay that looks awesome but what happens if I accidentally drop it in the water?
@stefanieyeupell-kiss6149
@stefanieyeupell-kiss6149 6 лет назад
I'm very interested in this reel now, thanks for the video and tutorial
@manny5292
@manny5292 3 года назад
Just picked one up today can’t wait to get out on the water
@michaelbrown9926
@michaelbrown9926 4 года назад
Just got mine today it already looks epic and feels great definately will get another
@theblake5356
@theblake5356 5 лет назад
The Metanium has the same digital casting chip. Makes things so much easier.
@theblake5356
@theblake5356 5 лет назад
Pretty sure it does.
@theblake5356
@theblake5356 5 лет назад
ALEXANDER ATACK Yep I noticed that after your reply. I meant Metanium the first time. Of course everyone knows that there are several model versions of both the Curado and Metanium.
@weouchhere9338
@weouchhere9338 6 лет назад
Just bought one from my local tackle shop.... holy holy shit man wicked smooth & super super easy to cast light baits.! Going out on sunday to bass fish. It’s just as smooth as my cronarch mgl !
@lamontgray6015
@lamontgray6015 4 года назад
Got my first dc reels today
@rosswatkins2277
@rosswatkins2277 6 лет назад
I've never had a problem spooling line on any baitcaster except this one curado k
@kawidaddy
@kawidaddy 6 лет назад
What would be your #1&#2 application for this reel? What rod would you pair it with to use for those application? Didn't really "need" a new setup,but I love my Shimanos and Diawas,and at that price point its a no-brainer for me. Now just need to figure out what I will use it for and what rod to pair with it. Thanks guys for all the great info over the years
@bassinbuddaspears3606
@bassinbuddaspears3606 5 лет назад
I have a question can u do a video on the curado dc explaining which points of contact u oil
@alexxiong8337
@alexxiong8337 6 лет назад
Can you do a video flipping and pitching it under docks and skipping?
@BoostMobile4103
@BoostMobile4103 6 лет назад
Hope your healing up well Matt. Awesome job Tim.
@thongher4918
@thongher4918 6 лет назад
Also the noise sounds like a door bell someone would have in their home lol
@williamgrotjahn2309
@williamgrotjahn2309 6 лет назад
It looks great!! I just bought a couple Bantams and a Chronarch 150 MGL. Out of money right now. I will get one soon!
@robalan57
@robalan57 3 года назад
I am new to the baitcasting reels. Some of the RU-vid people are going with the SHIMANO SLX XT instead of the DC. I am going to give that a try first.
@davidmann9467
@davidmann9467 6 лет назад
How does this reel handle close quarters pitching and flipping?
@JohnHinton
@JohnHinton 6 лет назад
I now am a Right hand person but I fish casting with my left hand and reel with the right. It works for me I can use ether hand for most things this reel would really be nice to have but man 250 is a lot to pay for a fishing reel, I know if you have the extra cash go for it. I like shimano spinning reels I haven't used a casting reel from them yet! If they sent me one I would use it alright!
@paulmontes4943
@paulmontes4943 3 года назад
Thanks, for the video I just purchased one of those reels. Can't wait to try it out.
@reelfishing5773
@reelfishing5773 6 лет назад
Could you guys to a in-depth comparison between the curado k and the curado dc
@JoeCraney
@JoeCraney 4 года назад
I have this reel and it is AWESOME. Thanks for the video guys.
@AKillen450
@AKillen450 6 лет назад
Thanks for the review. I'm definitely getting one of these to try out.
@ponyboy2195
@ponyboy2195 3 года назад
To set it up loosen the line til it drops then tighten the brake set it 1 through 4 then cast
@brettlanglois8769
@brettlanglois8769 6 лет назад
Very good review Tim. Thanks for the info. Tell Matt we’re praying for him and his Dad. Y’all take care.
@peterpan7290
@peterpan7290 2 года назад
Tim is underestimating the Casting distance *by ALOT* . He said something like 35 yards. Now I am assuming the line was straight and no bow because of side winds or something like that and because he thumbed the spool at the end which usaly straightens the line: I counted the reel rotations and with braid it's been around 72 turns. 72turns*0.86(Yards/turn)≈62yards!!!😳
@Altered76
@Altered76 6 лет назад
What a tank for a new reel at 7.8 oz. I thought they were state of the art? Did they forget and make it out of Hagane cast iron. I like it except the weight.
@chrisfinch3445
@chrisfinch3445 6 лет назад
Can I use it in saltwater
@victorlefort1441
@victorlefort1441 Год назад
I was recommended a 150HG DC model but was told GLS what does GLS mean? It would be for a 4" plastic paddle tail with a 3/16 jig head as a common bait!
@steveking8548
@steveking8548 2 года назад
Good video but why not throw every cast so we can see it land in the water (for distance purposes)????
@Rickholmesjrmusic
@Rickholmesjrmusic 6 лет назад
they’re so beautiful *tears of joy* stream down my face
@Rickholmesjrmusic
@Rickholmesjrmusic 6 лет назад
Reel Carolina Outdoors alright grammar nazi this was before my coffee
@svk_5104
@svk_5104 6 лет назад
Reel Carolina Outdoors that’s the correct use of they’re lol
@MidValleyMercenaries
@MidValleyMercenaries 6 лет назад
I was just about to buy the Curado 71XG now you have me second guessing. Love the sound of the dc. The question is is how long before they come in? Glad to hear Matt is ok. Great video Tim
@ScuffedEngineer
@ScuffedEngineer 6 лет назад
I have read around fall for the lefties
@MidValleyMercenaries
@MidValleyMercenaries 6 лет назад
Shadow oh wow. Can’t wait that long. Thanks
@rnootebos
@rnootebos 3 года назад
So what's the reason you cast right-hand and wind the reel with the right hand as well? Does the reel not come in left hand wind? Kind of strange to flip your rod from one hand to the other. Like eating with knife and fork and keep switching when you eat...
@dustinedmiston8165
@dustinedmiston8165 5 лет назад
You know how you tube reads the videos with captions as your scrolling through your recommended now? As I came across your yours it reads Welcome back to Taxable bassing! Lmao RU-vid still working the ole kinks out.
@scottbroder5908
@scottbroder5908 3 года назад
Training with my first baitcaster? Now that I got my first baitcaster ever, the Curado DC, what's the best line and lure to use for the sole purpose of learning. I am happy to just sit at the dock for a few 1000 casts, not trying to fish, but just Practice, Practice, Practice. What line and lure should I practice with?
@ChocoYGO
@ChocoYGO 5 лет назад
I will probably grab a few of these reels this year. Probably 1 7 speed and 2 6 speeds.
@danhufferdoutdoors
@danhufferdoutdoors 5 лет назад
Can you get a left hand model, if so does it have a different designation ?
@coreycallahan4609
@coreycallahan4609 3 года назад
DC151
@user-ds8it7nf8j
@user-ds8it7nf8j 4 года назад
Wish you would have shown how you set it up with the tension spool for each bait
@mr.fatbasstard648
@mr.fatbasstard648 6 лет назад
Nice review Tim and now Matt gets a used one lol.
@Midwest..
@Midwest.. 5 лет назад
Just got one LH but need to use more 😎
@topwater_tommy
@topwater_tommy 6 лет назад
Tim, do you think the 150 DC is just as durable as the 200 K? I try and keep it simple and only keep two rods/two reels in my arsenal. Thanks to an earlier video I pulled the trigger on two Curado K's and couldn't be happier! They're definitely absolute workhorses and I've that found as long as I take care of them (as with anything) they always perform. But in terms of wear and tear, water exposure, and the occasional impact do you think that the 150 DC would ever “crap out” as compared to the 200 K?
@noreastangler3755
@noreastangler3755 6 лет назад
Some day people are not going to know the struggle of backlashing. Given its a 150 size reel and the $250 I'm guessing the technology is costly for them to put on other size reels at scale. Seems almost like its meant for finesse since thats when people run into most issues.
@Tide12NC
@Tide12NC 3 года назад
Why they left what was so good in the Curado series I’ll never know. Heard a lot of bad. I looked to purchase a DC 200 and ended up getting a Lew’s. I was so disappointed. I loved my 90’s Curado’s. Go back to those and I’ll be back. 😏😔
@brianharris3828
@brianharris3828 6 лет назад
Where would you rate the DC compared to other mid range reels. Note: For me the DC would bd a HIGH end purchase. Also, what "all around" mid range reel would you recommend for this reel? See you on Clear Lake (I'm @ Riviera West).
@brandonfrancey977
@brandonfrancey977 6 лет назад
Yall need to share the video showing the guy casting a 3/8oz lure at a brick wall/into the wind from 10yards as hard as he can. I was like uhgh wtf.
@bobbysanchez9852
@bobbysanchez9852 6 лет назад
The noise isn’t the dc brakes applying. It’s recharging the computer chip with every cast
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