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Shimano Dura-Ace R9200 First Ride Review | Lightning-Fast Shifts, RIP Mechanical

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Shimano Dura-Ace R9200 is here and we've got a first ride review! Dura-Ace is Shimano’s flagship, top-tier, best-of-everything racing groupset. In its latest incarnation it's 12 speed, semi wireless and electronic only. You heard that right, mechanical shifting is dead!
As well as an extra sprocket at the back, new 12-speed Dura-Ace features better shifting, better braking and all the smaller refinements and tweaks that you’d expect from Shimano.
Incidentally, at the same time as launching a new racing flagship Shimano is bringing out Ultegra R8100 the second-tier Groupset which Benefits many of the same technologies and as ever with Ultegra is simply a bit cheaper a bit heavier and a little less blingy.
Want to know more about Ultegra R8100? Get the full rundown on both Groupsets here:
→Shimano Dura-Ace R9200 www.bikeradar.com/news/shiman...
→Shimano Ultegra R8100 www.bikeradar.com/news/shiman...
→Shimano Dura-Ace rumours and speculation www.bikeradar.com/features/sh...
Matthew also got to ride the Di2 version of the previous generation 9170 groupset (note how Matthew's presenting has changed!)
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More info on the previous generation mechanical Shimano Dura-Ace R9100:
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Shimano GRX Review:
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Contents:
00:00 Introduction
01:27 Highlights
04:37 Riding Impressions
06:53 Levers
09:08 Rear Derailleur
10:28 Front Derailleur
11:19 Cranks
12:50 Cassettes
14:02 Brakes
15:13 Wheels
16:28 Conclusion
📸 Photo credits 📸
Irmo Keizer / Andreas Dobslaff - Shimano
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@bikeradar 2 года назад

Shimano Dura-Ace R9200 is finally here! What are your first impressions? Too heavy? Sad to see no mechanical version? Is 12 speed one too many? You know the score, write it in the comments below! 👇

@josecouto8594 2 года назад

Thanks for the video!👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 but I steel prefere the Sram version.

@twatts4436 2 года назад

Dura Ace is so far out of my price band, I don't really care. However, that Ultegra is Di2 only is disappointing - I know a whole host of folks riding mechanical Ultegra.

@falkirkshelby2313 2 года назад

You said 54/39 But isn't it 54/40 now? Sorry just checking

@mikpopiel473 2 года назад

Did I hear correctly “the rim brake version (brakes/levers) must be run with a cable, as they are not wired”? Is that to say the Non-rim/disc brake version are electrical wired for actuation?

@twatts4436 2 года назад

@@mikpopiel473 the rim brake version is wired for shifting, with cables for the brakes.. The disc is wireless to the shifter, with a wire between them. The braking is hydraulic. Looks like shimano has decided rim brakes are niche and it's not worth the development time to make the rime brake version wireless. Which is fair, given the associated costs and relatively small market segment rime brakes occupy in new sales.

@coldfisao 2 года назад

Hey Matthew, sad to hear that you are leaving the Bikeradar video team as well... Good luck on your new endeavours! and thank you for all your work.

@bikeradar 2 года назад

Thanks for for comment, BikeRadar feel the same!

@ronaldtartaglia4459 2 года назад

What a douchey politically correct coomment

@JayLato 2 года назад

I’m so excited to build a cheaper lightweight bike with 2nd hand Mechanical 9100

@SuperGamingeek 2 года назад

Personally I don't think prices will drop that much from current. Everyone and their mother has that same idea and the used bike market isn't exactly cooling off right now.

@rcg9573 2 года назад

When the world economy cools off and it will as all economic cycles have pull backs the current bicycle Tulipmania pricing will come to an abrupt end just as it did in 2008. 😆

@solitaryrefinement6787 2 года назад

I'm on Dura-Ace 9100 all mechanical with rim brakes. It's going to take a miracle to pull me away from 9100. Before that, I was on Dura-Ace 7800 (Shimano's best groupset ever IMO). It's nice to see what Dura-Ace 9200 has evolved into, but knowing what I know now, if I were buying new today, I'd opt for some leftover 9100 groupset for a new build. I'm all about keeping things as simple and as trouble free as possible. In fact, my current 9100 bike is my last Dura-Ace bike. From now on, whatever I build, I'm going to build with 105. Honestly, I'm not pushing my bikes far enough to notice the difference or to justify carbon bits on my drivetrain. Plus, not only does it cost way less, but it's far easier to source the components and much easier to tune.

@fortheloveyoutube 2 года назад

Thank you, Matthew! Have really enjoyed your concise, direct, clear, straight-forward (I could go on...) reviews! Wish you the very best on your next adventures! Hope it's still in the industry!? Cheers!

@bikeradar 2 года назад

Thanks for your comment, we couldn't agree more!

@TypeVertigo 2 года назад

Thank you Matthew for your time on BikeRadar. Happy trails, and hoping to see you tell more tales from the saddle.

@bikeradar 2 года назад

I'm sure you will! Thanks for your comment, from all at BikeRadar

@7gibbens 2 года назад

Matthew, my most favourite bicycle reviewer on RU-vid, you will be sadly missed ☹️ but good luck with your future endeavours 😊👍🇦🇺

@swanauto47 2 года назад

Matthew thank you for your creativity and professionalism you’ve brought to bike radar. I love the Émonda ALR build you did and I’ve done one I’ll be showcasing on my channel too

@andresquintero7968 2 года назад

Sad that you’re leaving Matthew! Love your reviews…pure gold as usual! Best of lucks on new projects

@bikeradar 2 года назад

We are too! Thanks for watching the channel Andres, we're sure to keep making the best cycling content we can 🤝

@brambrakman2253 2 года назад

always fun to see the same press bike being used across channels

@julianidrobo55 2 года назад

Sad to hear you're leaving. Your work has been truly amazing! Your passionate review of the Specialized Tarmac SL5 enticed me to buy that bike. You'll be sorely missed (I'm already stalking you on Instagram though).

@bikeradar 2 года назад

Thanks for your comment! That is great to hear about the SL5 review. We're sure to keep making the best cycling content we can 🤝

@julianidrobo55 2 года назад

@Earl James oops! Disgraceful typo. Thank you for pointing that!

@amramweismann6162 2 года назад

Thanks for all the great reviews you have given us till today another great complete Technical and emotional review always appreciated that your reviews were technical but also your personal feeling about what you were reviewing

@JoseSorianoPhotography 2 года назад

Great video! The only thing I feel is very wrong is "The wait is over" now is when we will wait more to get any of these 12 speed groupsets

@datdudeinred 2 года назад

Ohh man that was sad to hear you too are leaving. But still everyone has to move on. Best of luck mate for the future. Cheers 🥂

@bikeradar 2 года назад

Thanks for your comment, cheers!

@Yannerson 2 года назад

Only here to see what’s going to be on 105 in ten years time.

@piast99 2 года назад

I've thought the same would happen on the dark side of biking but 12 speed Shimano XT, SLX and Deore followed the XTR quite rapidly. But it might be because of the pressure from SRAM.

@mojojoe-jo2170 2 года назад

Excellent, thorough review. I agree about the looks being a bit conservative. I would love to see a photo-negative complete dura ace group- and wheelset. That is with all whited out back ground and the dura ace logo coming through the paint in black carbon fiber relief. Fingers crossed.

@lejake 2 года назад

Thanks Matthew! I rarely watch bike radar, but whenever I did and saw you presenting, I knew it would be a good one! Good luck with the next endeavours!

@bikeradar 2 года назад

Thanks for your comment! We're sure to keep making the best cycling content we can 🤝

@onilovni1234 2 года назад

This drivetrain is more expensive than the one in my CAR!

@tbrowniscool 2 года назад

Yeah its all bollocks now with the pricing. I bet in a few years top end bikes will be touching £15k. I think the bike industry has successfully convinced people that bike are made out of fairy dust.

@balderamadondy6102 2 года назад

This is the best groupset that has been updated this year😍🤤

@zukzworld 2 года назад

It seems there are quite a few who will miss the mechanicals, not just me. Last year, sitting at home most of the time I finally pulled the trigger on an ultegra di2, and simply loving it. Thanks for your detailed update on the disk version. Anytime we will see an indepth review on the rim version?

@larrymcgoldrick3471 2 года назад

Good Luck! And thank you so much!!!

@paulinestephano1335 2 года назад

Nice ideas for your experience

@pmckeown38 2 года назад

My pleasure Matt. I know you spoke in glowing terms about the group set, but it does seem like not much new. Heavier with massive levers, not the best, semi wireless, bits from mtn bike sets. I'd say B+ must try harder. BUT well presented as ever, thank you

@rcg9573 2 года назад

And the price, $4,000+ US. LOL

@thecappy 2 года назад

Good luck Matthew!

@inspiredtotired8369 2 года назад

Matthew, you are the best bike reviewer on the internet. Thank you for all your work at BR. Happy trails.

@RudiDwiHartanto 2 года назад

Matthew the best bike reviewer on youtube man

@eto2352 2 года назад

farewell thanks for the great videos Matthew!!

@rayrvidal4199 2 года назад

Very nice Q top of the list what a challenge I believe might be needed to take on. Do you think it’s possible to get parts only from Ali express to make a durable bike that might last a year.

@altern8tive 2 года назад

Thanks Matthew, one of the most informed and attention holding bike reviewers on youtube. All the best in your future projects (hope you follow a similar path to David Arthur and upload independently)

@rcg9573 2 года назад

I sure hope Matt does NOT follow the path of Dave Arthur, who is essentially a paid promoter/marketeer for the products he “reviews” pretending to provide “independent” bike reviews. 😆

@glennoc8585 2 года назад

@@rcg9573 Dave's a good guy he is very honest in his review

@rcg9573 2 года назад

@ Glen oc - BS! Arthur’s so called reviews are fluff pieces that are the equivalent marketing material for the makers of the products he “supposedly” reviews. Same as GCN, etc… Anyone with even a hint of objectivity can easily see that. But you keep believing he’s providing great “independent” reviews. All marketeers need a gullible audience too. 😆

@asilbektursunov4523 2 года назад

Thanks for video

@ZOB4 2 года назад

Did not expect them to go electronic-only, but still keep rim brakes.

@cvdavis 2 года назад

Great video.

@richjones2767 2 года назад

Shame the asymetric cranks have gone, they looked pretty nice. I guess this is a reaction to their power meter accuracy issues.

@therainbowgulag. 2 года назад

Best review I've seen so far on the new DAce groupset. However, it's all getting too complicated, heavy and expensive so I'll stick with my Utegra mechanical rim groupset

@vielradler4794 2 года назад

Wirklich gut gemachtes Review, wie alles von Matthew. Schade, dass Matthew BikeRadar verlässt. Danke für die tollen Beiträge!

@chrisvanbuggenum871 2 года назад

No Matthew, no! No! No! No!!! I feared this when i saw the photo of you waving a couple days ago. I need your reviews in my life!!! Damn it Matthew, and good luck. I'll go find you on instagram. And yes, i just built up a Tarmac in mechanical Dura Ace, it was between that and Ult di2, and the choice was easy to make.

@ttrrs_o3498 2 года назад

Good presentation please shimano stop at 12 I’m sticking with 11 speed

@retroonhisbikes 2 года назад

Available to buy June 2030

@mohamadjamil3164 2 года назад

Below expectations. I agree with Mathew , a mechanical dura was one of the best. Shame… moreover, the challenges in the cranks and power meter were not addressed. And what about the massive hoods :)))

@TheMrgonzalo05 2 года назад

Good luck Mat.

@salsalawyer 2 года назад

Also are the new calipers compatible with older levers and rotors?

@markj.a351 2 года назад

Why does the rim brake option have to remain fully wired? Also, would the crankset work with 11 speed?

@bettyesperanzabelalcazarco9537 2 года назад

Exelente informacio y muy detallada parte por parte esta bicicleta es muy conosida en colombia a mucjos les gusta por su peso y llsnta ancha para careterad destapadas felicitaciones y exitos

@davidnicholson6680 2 года назад

Good luck, Matthew! Regarding the new Dura Ace, it's very incrementally improved over the previous version. Like most Shimano stuff, it's devoid of BS and long on functionality. I'm sure it will work beautifully and be terrifically reliable. Still, I think that SRAM is leaving Shimano behind. For example, Rival AXS has thrown down the gauntlet in offering state of the art technology to the masses. Rival AXS is arguably superior to new Dura Ace in a few key ways at a tiny fraction of the price.

@mannymerc89 2 года назад

I was not waiting, but is a cool groupset.

@jimmatheson9125 2 года назад

Maybe the increased crank weight was to fix the de-bonding that was happening.

@AJFixie 2 года назад

I'd love to put these brakes on my Di2 Ultegra because I'm sick of the constant maintenance and rubbing issues. Any idea if this would be feasible?

@dcv9460 2 года назад

hope they can trickle the technology down to the 105s for a more affordable awesome group set =)

@NDURcycling 2 года назад

I dont get it why everyone is saying that this is a wireless groupset. it is definity not. when you have to connect the batterie to the derailer than thats not a wireless groupset. the only wireless groupset is SRAM.

@rcg9573 2 года назад

Shifters talk to the rear derailleur wirelessly. That’s the wireless part. 😆

@willowwatts 2 года назад

Still running tiagra 10 speed on my bike.🤪.

@yonglingng5640 2 года назад

Me too lol (Tiagra 4700 here) and I came from 105 5600 lmao.

@jonathanjc1131 2 года назад

So quick!

@sharokinisayo7389 2 года назад

Damn! I have four bikes with Dura Ace 9170/9150 that just grew old overnight LOL

@karmmaguitar 2 года назад

great to see the smaller cog it’s starting at 11, shimano knows what they are doing and what is better for efficiency

@philc9305 2 года назад

As compared to 10 tooth? They say the benifit from being able to run a smaller chainring out wieghs the minimal amount of inefficientcy of the 1 tooth smaller gear.

@yonglingng5640 2 года назад

The moment I saw 52/36 on the chainrings, I knew they didn't mess with the cassette radically like SRAM.

@geraldvalguna1990 2 года назад

Will it work with half internal cabling frameset (the cables go out at the bottom bracket) designed for mechanical groupset?

@JogBird 2 года назад

you have to run the wire to the rear mech on the outside, they have a specific tape that covers the length of the wire for this use case

@szurketaltos2693 2 года назад

So you're saying that a 16T jump in front is okay and you don't need 13T to make the shift smooth?

@TheBarts27 2 года назад

Cassette is XDR? So still compatible with Sram ETAP AXS?

@doxisch 2 года назад

Any idea, when 12spd will come to GRX?

@robhaddock2034 2 года назад

Previous crankset looked WAY better (too fussy and cheap looking now) and all the brains being in the most vulnerable frame part could be risky. Brake updates and improved shifting speeds sound great though and like the downsized front mech…although did the cage really need DA slapped on it right next to the crank arm logo? No. Is it better it’s now coloured black? Yes.

@johntharp22 2 года назад

I will never understand the excitement behind electronic groupsets. There is nothing less sexy than plugging in your $15,000 bike, and having to replace batteries in its shifters.

@DickKnorr 2 года назад

Does this mean the next version of 105 is going to be a 12 speed version of 9100?

@marcustan5868 2 года назад

Shimano 105 for the win, we ain't athletes

@ucdescents 2 года назад

Everyone wants to know if an 11 speed crankset would work with this 12 speed drivetrain.

@willo7979 2 года назад

4:35 35g increase? For the added duralumin on symmetrical right crank?

@richjones2767 2 года назад

Duralumin! you must be as old as me 😀

@willo7979 2 года назад

@@richjones2767 oops! Haha nice catch!

@GustavoHenrique86 2 года назад

"The hoods are bigger because some people complaint that the old one was too small." That made me laugh 😂 That's the beautiful excuse offered by Shimano. But in reality they are bigger to try to solve the disc brake issues.

@1777DK 2 года назад

Seeing as the old Dura Ace also came in a disc brake version, I don’t see how they would need any excuses.

@GustavoHenrique86 2 года назад

@@1777DK I didn't get your point. It is exactly the old Duraace disc problems that they are trying to solve with these changes.

@1777DK 2 года назад

@@GustavoHenrique86 Huh? The old disc hood was smaller, people didn’t like that, so now they are bigger. Why would they need a “beautiful” excuse, for solving that problem?

@Skooteh 2 года назад

@@1777DK peoples have been having problems with disk brakes that the new groupset is trying to alleviate. Small pad clearance, inconsistent piston retraction and thermal expansion of fluid all caused brake rub. by having a larger hood they can fit a larger master cylinder and therefore get better pad clearance which should solve the problem.

@luukrutten1295 2 года назад

@@Skooteh Exactly. Actually the earlier non series level di2 hydraulic levers had a little bit of a similar design to them, but these are luckily smaller than those.

@johnryan296 Год назад

Is this possible guys? I just bought a CAAD 12 Cannondale with 105 group set. I would like to update to a DI2 group set. I'm thinking Dura Ace rim brakes and the new 105 DI2 drive Possible? Can I use the 105DI2 with the Dura Ace rim brakes? Thanks for your help.

@editaudios5270 2 года назад

how much is r8100 and r9200 disc

@NeoPayneHK 2 года назад

thank you

@timetrialist 2 года назад

This video is more informative than the GCN release video. Well done Bikeradar! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

@SilverFoxcr1 2 года назад

So based on the fact that is wireless that means that the EW-WU111 sensor is not required anymore for Garmin communication isn't it?

@yonglingng5640 2 года назад

Yes, it's ready to wirelessly connect with your GPS head unit out-of-the-box.

@yapchankok7913 2 года назад

it is 54/40 not 54/39 as you mentioned on the introduced new chainring.

@joyezumah6887 11 месяцев назад

Waooo, awesome experience

@alfonso2501 2 года назад

I'd like to see the TT version

@karledstrom8251 2 года назад

The TT setup is pretty much the same as current. The shifters are the same as R9100, and the system is completely wired. The only change is that instead of having a junction box in the crankset, the battery now has 3 ports. 2 of them are for the deraileurs, and the last one can be used to wire the cockpit to the rest of the system. Hope this makes sense :) //Shimano employee

@CG-99 2 года назад

at 2439gms, be good to know how 9200 compares to a SRAM red groupset.

@remedy3345 2 года назад

Bummer that the rim brake doesn’t utilize the wireless shifters, really disappointing.

@ldavid2 2 года назад

those levers are hideous

@Dee-Ell 2 года назад

Exactly my thought. Hopefully, they'll focus on aesthetics for future minor updates.

@leodegariolantaca1408 2 года назад

Sir may I ask you, the shimano dura ace m9200 have a 3X crankse...

@leodegariolantaca1408 2 года назад

Correction R9200

@driventomadness117 2 года назад

I feel like this prices me out from owning Ultegra. I could just never justify >2500 for a groupset.

@Mububban23 2 года назад

Mechanical Ultegra was my goal for my future "nice bike" but that's gone out the window :-(

@relikvija 2 года назад

Dude, what's the price?

@Ey_up 2 года назад

I'll stick with my thumbie friction shifters, thanks.

@absolommaisep-ch4ew Год назад

Wow,nice🥰

@andrewkolb2527 2 года назад

He is excellent

@iberiksoderblom 2 года назад

Have Shimano fixed, that the kranks break apart ?

@MAGAIVER 2 года назад

The cranks are heavier so they may have done something about it.

@iberiksoderblom 2 года назад

@@MAGAIVER more water soluble glue ?

@JibbaJabber 2 года назад

Where do I pay?

@Bluesman2509 2 года назад

Are there still rim brakes?

@mightymidget88 2 года назад

Yes, but you have to fully wire the Di2 levers just like the old 91xx group, you only get fully wireless levers with the disc brake version which is pants

@nomadcarpenter8549 2 года назад

3.7k nope

@MrPijus123 2 года назад

Wonder if it's less of an ass to micro-adjust than previous groups.

@mrichards55 2 года назад

Will this support rim brakes?

@1777DK 2 года назад

If what he says, in the video, is true, then yes.

@yonglingng5640 2 года назад

Yes, Dura-Ace R9200 still has rim brakes.

@BikeLife154 2 года назад

Branching out on your own YT channel? That’s what I’m guessing!

@chrisprotzman6637 2 года назад

So then the dura ace rim-brake group set really hasn’t changed. I wonder why they didn’t at least put the semi wireless feature to it.

@edrcozonoking 2 года назад

Because it's not worth the investment for the 3 curmudgeons that want that.

@Sergio_Math 2 года назад

Ok so Reuben left. Joe left. Matthew left. I'm worried. If Jack and Felix leave, it will be the end.

@jenmac287 2 года назад

you will ok....

@bikeradar 2 года назад

We have plenty of adventures, news, reviews and more coming up! Thanks for watching our channel, don't forget to subscribe for more!

@indiebikes 2 года назад

Maybe SRAM should have worked harder on front shifting than trying to force 1x for road riding on us. DA is simply outstanding.

@omniyambot9876 2 года назад

Noob question, is SRAM still competitive at the top level with their 1x

@indiebikes 2 года назад

@@omniyambot9876 there are no tour teams using 1x after the failed Aqua Blue outing. SRAM once described front shifting as “a traumatic event”! Guess that depends who’s gruppo you use!

@omniyambot9876 2 года назад

@@indiebikes wow i see thankss

@spydersniiper 2 года назад

Coming Summer 2024??

@TheOkinawaBoy 2 года назад

No. Later

@amitkumar-wj8gn 2 года назад

Still cannot afford Tiagra. :(. But this is cool.

@NoneOfYourusinesss 2 года назад

Ultegra mechanical gone.....Not sure what to think about that. It will definitely affect the price !!

@yonglingng5640 2 года назад

But Ultegra R8000 and R8020 will still be produced, it's not going away anytime soon.

@rcg9573 2 года назад

Info source?

@yonglingng5640 2 года назад

@@rcg9573 Look for a comment by Pieter S, Shimano replied. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-X_0BYxKQr5k.html

@brauljo 2 года назад

Still completely wired for mechanical brakes? It was already trash for being partially wired.

@philc9305 2 года назад

I'm a bit disappointed the small gear isn't 10 tooth.

@tbrowniscool 2 года назад

You ride faster than me!! hahah

@MAGAIVER 2 года назад

Can you really push a 10-54? You must be really strong, my road bike has a 13-23 cassete with a 53-39 crankset and I can't really push the 13-53 unless I'm going down a real big hill.

@philc9305 2 года назад

No it's so you can run a smaller chainring and still have the same final drive. A 52-11 is close to a 48-10 or somewhere there about from what I've read it's more effiecent, lighter, and persoally I think the smaller chainrings look better.

@rcg9573 2 года назад

You know that running smaller rings in both the front and rear tp achieve a given gear inch results in increased drivetrain inefficiency, correct?

@philc9305 2 года назад

@@rcg9573 factoring in weight and wind resistance? I've seen information hat says otherwise. 🤷‍♂️

@denisdrc5836 2 года назад

Shimano engineers: we had to make hoods a bit bigger because couldn't fit new brake mechanisms inside the old size... Shimano marketing: no, no, not like that... we improved ergonomics because old hoods were too small for some people!