Shocking Evidence MOSES Borrowed from Plato | Bible Documentary 

There is nothing common between orthodoxy and platonism. Greetings from Greece.

​@Arkoudeides. That's objectively not true. Many key Christian thinkers were heavily influenced by neoplatonism. Many Christian philosophers and theologians used neoplatonism to argue for Christianity which helped in the formulation of integral Christian doctrine. I don't necessarily agree with Nietzche's quote because it seems like an incredibly reductionistic dismissal of Christianity and a failure to recognize where they diverge, but it's also false to say that Christianity has nothing whatsoever to do with neoplatonic thought.

It does appear that almost all the stories in the Bible comes from older myths.

Son wukong's staff, anyone?

Nu of egyptian myth, the source of staff and the menorah. Joshua, descendant of Nun.

The Julio-Claudian emperors wanted to be worshipped as living gods. Their plan was to impose emperor worship on the empire. One religion makes an empire easier to rule. They hit a snag when they tried to impose emperor worship on the Jews. Before the War, there was a Roman propaganda campaign to soften Jewish resistance. Philo is an example. He was an Herodian, and they were very much allied with Rome as was their relatives, the Alexander family. The children of these families were educated in the imperial palace since Augustus. After the War, the Herods were rewarded by the new Flavian dynasty for their loyalty and given the authority to establish a new temple to replace their old income from the old temple. But the religion had to be Roman authorized. The Herods (and Alexanders) employed some Roman intellectuals to create a new religion from the pre-war propaganda, emperor worship, and raided the Iliad, Odyssey. Aeneid, and Septuagint for stories, but mostly the NT story of Jesus is the story of Titus conquering Judaea. Do not underestimate emperor worship. This was a full religion with gorgeous temples, incense, sermons, … the whole nine yards. Constantine was the one who made the laws requiring sons to have the same occupation as their fathers, thus starting feudalism which would last a thousand years until 1348 when the bubonic plague (temporarily?). broke the Church’s power, thus setting the stage for the Renaissance and the Reformation. The Church does not want you to know that the NT is an Herodian forgery. That’s the big secret.

It is really all "hidden in plain sight". The people behind Christianity, and many other scams, were identified by Plato as Sophists. In Plato's Protagoras they are described this way: “Now the art of the Sophist is, as I believe, of great antiquity; but in ancient times those who practiced it, fearing this odium, veiled and disguised themselves under various names, some under that of poets, as Homer, Hesiod, and Simonides, some, of hierophants and prophets, as Orpheus and Musaeus, and some, as I observe, even under the name of gymnastic‐masters, like Iccus of Tarentum, or the more recently celebrated Herodicus, now of Selymbria and formerly of Megara, who is a first‐rate Sophist. Your own Agathocles pretended to be a musician, but was really an eminent Sophist; also Pythocleides the Cean; and there were many others; and all of them, as I was saying, adopted these arts as veils or disguises because they were afraid of the odium which they would incur.” These were the men that built Plato's famous "Cave", Christianity, and many other frauds. Note that Plato states in the first line that Sophists "...fearing this odium, veiled and disguised themselves..." and then repeats these ideas in the last line saying "...adopted these arts as veils or disguises because they were afraid of the odium...". This repetition is one of the tricks employed by the Sophists themselves when they find the need to temporarily use words according to their literal meanings. Another example of this particular trick is found in Plato's Theaetetus where Socrates describes the Sophist Protagoras this way: “In the name of the Graces, what an almighty wise man Protagoras must have been! He spoke these things in a parable to the common herd, like you and me, but told the truth, his Truth, in secret to his own disciples.” In this second example the true meaning of "truth" was needed because the metaphoric "truth" relates to the half truths of allegoric writing which is literally false but hides real world knowledge. Socrates description of Protagoras has an obvious "parallel" to Christ: "With many similar parables Jesus spoke the word to them, as much as they could understand. He did not say anything to them without using a parable. But when he was alone with his own disciples, he explained everything." Mark 4:33-34 This "parallel" was actually intended as an allusion to Plato's Protagoras designed to identify Jesus with Sophism. The Sophists are conmen that employ what is essentially an allegoric code and the numerous "parallels" between different writings are often simply allusions designed to provide the context necessary to decipher the allegory. However, the Sophists also like to tell the same story again and again but with different sets of metaphors and allusions and this can also result in apparent "parallels". This practice also provides the basis for the concept of "reincarnation" since the same story can be set in different literal times and places. Christianity actually emerged during a period known as the "Second Sophistic" but modern scholars ignore this fact because of the Pandora's Box that it opens. It seems likely that only a small minority of the current Church hierarchy are actual Sophists, and it is even possible that some Popes have been ignorant of the truth, but many others are undoubtedly are aware that their religion is a fraud because of the way pedophile priests are protected. There are also many secular Sophists who are actively engaged in manipulating our world and feeding the masses their allegories. Freemasonry is just one modern example, while movies such as The Matrix and They Live taunt us with some rather blatant admissions about what is really occurring. Context is the key that allows all the pieces to fall into place.

@@charlesbrowne9590 I appreciate this reply.

@ring-tone278 Are you trying to use scripture to help my case, or just simply be one of those people unironically quoting scripture? I'm rather curious, because if you are trying to help or save me, it really doesn't mean anything. Perhaps provide context in the future, either way... ambiguity is rather annoying.

​@@charlesbrowne9590 interesting reply 💯💯💯💯 And we can understand why some attributes of jesus are shared with emperors...for exemple "being said to have a divine father and human mother" in order to assert divine kingship

The more we help people understand that they can have purpose and community outside of religious belief, the easier it will be for them to open up to this information. 😌

Hey right on!! Lol

Aristokles’s infamous arson incident was a little trick borrowed frmo Moshe (pronounced Mush) called ‘Jewish lightening’, in order to collect insurance.

@@moorbilt - Plato would insist on “Greek lighting.” ⚡️🙂

@@JonGalloway-pu3tk - 🙂

Yey you got great food I ate their last week keep up the great work!!!

D my apologies for last night if I was out of line at all .. I'm far from the perfect Muslim, Definitely not the best example for the ummah 🤦‍♂️might've got extra defensive .. Hope all is well with u and yours 🤲🤲🤲

​@heezyhines2209 thanks alot brother, that means alot to hear.

@@MythVisionPodcast No doubt fam 💯

❤Us atheist have to stick together. Like a flock of sheep going to the slaughter. Jesus lovers had there turn. Now it's ours. Yaaaa

A skeleton Torah was likely at play around Ezra’s time, which was roughly contemporary with Plato. The Torah and books of history appear to be heavily redacted through a Greek lense! An important point you left out is that the books of history and the prophets never indicate the people were actually following the deuteronomic law , they mention following the Torah of YHWH but specific observance is never reflected. In other words it appears they weren’t aware of the Torah in any meaningful way. Further, archeology is replete with evidence that Israel was no different than the surrounding culture. I think this model is starting to have some explanatory power!!! Keep up the good work.

PS Damn! Now I'm going to have to read Plato and Herodotus as well as Philo and Joseph's.....

I'm confident he would absolutely disagree. He thinks Moses wrote the Torah from what I've gathered. I don't think Moses existed.

@@MythVisionPodcast ouch...

@@MythVisionPodcastPorphyry may have been onto something when he suggested that Ezra, not Moses, wrote down the Mosaic traditions. (see Deuteronomy 34:10, 2 Kings 22:8, 2 Chronicles 34:14)

​@@GabrielEddyThis was a common idea. The line of reasoning was that the Babylonians destroyed every copy of Torah so when the Jews were allowed back to Judea Ezra and Nehemiah had to rewrite the entire thing. Clement of Alexandria goes over it as well.

I dont understand why he is still a yahweh believer....

Alan Watts wasn't a former Catholic priest. I think he was an Episcopalian cleric at one point.

@@gerontodonThese people don’t care about facts lol they want to feed their bias that they are being lied to about jesus as if it’s something bad lmao

Thank you very much

Very fun book! Thanks 😊

Thanks my friend. I hope it peaks your curiosity to investigate further if you ever find the time.

@@MythVisionPodcast oh definitely, these videos are usually my starting points and how I find out about the scholars.

Also when you look at history, there is more bullet holes in Judaism. Why would Jews return to live in Egypt when it is forbidden for them to return to live with their slave owners in Egyot? When Cleopatra the Seventh, the wife of JUlius Ceasar, she was a pharaoh of Egypt when the Jews immigrated to Alexandria Egypt. She allowed them to immigrate and granted them the right of commerce and the right to practice their religion. --- this is history. But there is nothing on Egypt's walls about Jews being slaves there, nor a famouse exodus there -- nothing . Also, the anscestors of Cleopatra were the first to translate the Torah of Moses into Greek. So, she was aware of the 5 books of Moses since a relative of her translated it into Greek. But had there been any records of Jews being enemies of Egypt, probably, Cleopatra would have genocide them since they were considered enemies of Egypt, or Her husband Julius Ceasar -- Rome would have genocide them. But because there is no historical records saying Jews were slaves in Egypt, Jews are enemies of Egypt and about a famouse Exodus, Cleopatra granted them residency in Egypt. But it leaves the question, why would run-away Jews return to live with their slave masters? Is like USA, why would run-away-African-Amricans return to live in slave states? Logic, common sense, survival instant, dictates, you want to get away from there possible, never return.

Moses lived about 1,000 years BEFORE Plato was born! How could Biblical authors be influenced by a culture that DID NOT exist at the time? The Hellenistic Period began during the Inter-Testamental Period mean 2 centuries AFTER the last book of the Old Testament was written.

@@thetruthchannel349 good point, check out dr. Jacob Wright’s latest book Why the Bible was written. He shows compelling evidence that the early writings actually came after the destruction of the N & S Israel kingdoms.

That's as bad as a Chinese article claiming English was born from Chinese characters. Complete historical revisionism

Moses never existed. As Exodus never happened.

You cracked the code: משה is Moshe/Moses in Hebrew and it Equals 345 in Gematria. Game Over. Pythagorean Mathematics wins

@@melchizedek1380 elaborate

@@blackswanrising2024 d'love to: however, when ever I divulge too much know-the-ledger, youtube hides my comments. Peace

" This really makes you think who controls the narrative" - there's no mysterious conspiracy at work here. We know who "controls the narrative". Specifically, the religious leaders are the ones who such a thing. That is what _orthodoxy_ and _orthopraxy_ are all about.

No evidence for Moses existed

And what is the source of a spirit in you ,where did it come from before clothing itself in what you term "YOU", and where will it go after the cloth "YOU" is no longer usable to achieve what the spirit requires here?

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......and 100 years ago most scholars believed that Moses wrote the first 5 books. Perhaps most scholars are wrong again about Ezra compiling the books of Moses.

Almost. Gilgamesh met another guy called Ziusudra who was later changed to Noah. Horus was inspiration for Moses, but they didn't need Osiris for Jesus. They had already Romans at home, who could tell them of the resurrections of Caesar, Hercules and Romulus.

I thought the flood survivor in Gilgamesh was Utnapishtim

@@RedNeckRed647 Yes, that's the same guy who was also called Ziusudra in the sumerian Kings List and in the Atra- Hasis.

Nothing wrong with scepticism. As long as it is applied in an unbiased way.

Come on man the Virgin birth fake along with those fake Miracles that no one can do today why because they were fake

Those myths aren't at all mythical. The book of Enoch predates Greek civilization and explains what the Greek myths are , the fallen angels and nephilum .

@@Heracles_FE The Epic of Gilgamesh predates the book of Enoch by about 1,000 years. The Hebrew Bible borrowed heavily from it, including the creation myth and the flood myth as well as other parts. This information is readily available online. It is much better to do your homework before you make claims that are incorrect. Christianity is based in large part on Mithraism, often called the seed of Christianity. The entire Bible is a mashup of other more ancient mythologies and belief systems. Nothing new.

@26beegee This is history , not myth . And the idea that Christianity is based in anything other than a garbled history of Yashua by the Roman's because they preferred to remain pagans is a philosophical choice by intellectual idiots . Enoch is the history of Gilgamesh's ancestors.

@@Heracles_FE I’m sorry you think the Bible is history. Both Christian and non-Christian Bible scholars don’t believe most of what is in the Bible is historically accurate and do not believe in a literal interpretation. Some actual places and historic figures are included but, that doesn’t make the book historically accurate. It is historic fiction, a genre of literature that has existed for millennia. Just because New York is a real piece doesn’t mean Spider-Man was real either. Only a small percentage of Christians (mostly American evangelicals) believe the Bible is literally and factually accurate and true. Look it up if you don’t believe me. Don’t mean to burst your bubble but, everyone should know the truth. There are dozens of Bible scholars with RU-vid channels, podcasts, websites and other social media accounts where you can learn college level scholarship for free! I encourage you to investigate for yourself. Don’t just take the word of your pastor, friends or family who do not have a formal education about this topic. I made that mistake and was misinformed. They had good intentions but, were also misinformed.

@@Heracles_FE based off of myth and people of that time Jewish tradition the Leviathan was created on the fifth day, 2baruch 29:4 also Genesis 1: 20- 35 serpent monster Yahweh Satan 😆 Prince of power of the air Ephesians 2:2.. Isaiah 27:1 the twisting spirit serpent and also the Book of Job 41:1 through 2 the fleeing serpent