Thanks for letting me collaborate with you on this video, Derek. The influence of Greek culture and historiography might be an under-appreciated aspect of the Bible stories we all grew up with, and it’s probably an area that will get a lot more academic attention going forward. Seeing the parallels between the feats of Samson and the labors of Hercules, or the 300 warriors of Gideon and the 300 warriors of Leonidas at Thermopylae, can give both believers and non-believers a new appreciation for these stories and the ancient history we're exploring. I hope your viewers will bookmark and share this video and even check out some of the scholarly sources listed in the description. Your church might not be telling you about the most interesting stuff in the Bible, but that research and information is more accessible than ever thanks to online resources and channels like this one.
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This is your most listenable video. The rhythm and naturalness of your speech are great. It's not overly dramatic and more importantly, it sounds like you. It assumes that your audience is intelligent enough to take in the information at this pace without adding on unnecessary distractions. Also, the music is at the proper level. Very nice.
I disagree regarding the music. It’s generic and awful. It distracts, discredits and trivialises any important info or message that is supposed to be taken seriously.
Fable fabulous! It really, very much look like Isrealite culture compiled reworked stories to create its own heritage. I can't unsee what you have presented here so well.
Why assume that Hebrews copied Greeks? Does that just feel right to you based on your prejudices? Are you sure the Greeks didn’t read and pervert the Hebrew stories?
Judges also is seven different renditions of roughly the same story, sometimes even the names being the same or really similar. Reminds me of how Greek mythology names were different in every city state, though the stories were often very similar.
Derek, Previously, I poopooed your video about Greek influences in the Torah. But with this one, you've overcome my doubts. The most convincing part for me was that the end of Joshua was "doctored" in the Septuagint to make an easier transition to Judges. Wow! I've never paid attention to Greek mythology before, but certainly you've pointed out similarities between Judges and Greek myths that are too plentiful to ignore. Thanks!
@allanflippin2453 Greeks got their written language from the Hebrews. That’s a fact from real scholars. Would it make more sense that the Greeks took the Israelite history and perverted it into their own versions? Why hate on Israel culture and suppose Greeks are the honest ones??? I know why. Such a foolish assumption... I mean 👉emotionally motivated 👈assumption.
@@allanflippin2453that guy's been posting the same replies all over the comments. He's wrong. There's a good 250 year age difference in oldest known texts from either culture. Greek is the older of the two. Who knows though? We could find older texts from anyone
@@bobirving6052Excellent summary of your own position - emotionally biased and mistaken assumptions. Yes it’s embarrassing that Jews mixed up numerous older religions, plagiarised idea’s and stories, then Christian’s did the same thing. But it’s the warrants for rape, slavery, murder and genocide that are probably the most shameful. Interesting history of an unholy trinity of gods…. ISIS RA & EL.
Plenty of theologians have said that Greeks were part of the "mixed multitude" that came out of Egypt during the exodus (what and or how ever that occured or is an echo of -including the Spartans being a part of the them and the tribe of Dan being the Danoi who apart from being connected to the Celtic tribe of ancient Britain, were said to have come from the East following a cart containing a box) so, is it really any surprise that Greek literature was an inspiration for Israelite literature, visa versa or contemporary to eachother?
@@my2cents49 The next exodus will begin on December 25, 2023. The next passover out of Egypt (winter) will take place at the 2024 spring equinox. The "going down to Egypt" will begin at the 2024 summer solstice and is followed by the entry into biblical Egypt at the 2024 autumn equinox. The "escape" from Egypt will be marked by the rising of Aries (Mary had a little lamb) with the "firstborn" of the Hebrews (ba, ba, ba). This is be preceded by the setting of Libra (firstborn of the Egyptians). Every year, the firstborn of the Egyptians are "slain." aka Libra setting. As Libra rises, and Aries sets, the Hebrews (Aries thru Virgo) go into captivity. Round and round they go, with the wheel never stopping. The sun is always busy and has no place to lay his/her head.
In 2016 a mummified human body was found in a tree in Poland that had bees, wasps and even a squirrel nesting in it. I'm not saying this proves bees actually did build hives in lion or other animal carcasses. I just thought it shows sometimes reality is stranger than fiction. Samson's identification with the sun suggests that the slain lion represents summer's ending while the bee's later found nesting in it represents the return of the warmer season.
Great video. My personal pet theory on the Samson Herakles connection is that the link might come via the Phoenicians who traded with Israel and Judah. Their own deity Melqart also shares the same iconography as Herakles to the point where Melqart evolves into Herakles in later writings. I'm hoping to have an article published next year.
Why would you need that link when they were directly enslaved and ruled by the Romans and by proxy the Egyptian colony of Rome. It's not a connection it's direct plagiarism as with most of the old testament.
Yes possibly Phoenicians, but also the tribe of Dan themselves were sailors who separated Israel and moved to Greece. Judges 5:17 "Gilead remained across the Jordan; And why did Dan stay in ships? Asher sat at the seashore, And remained by its landings.
@apathyreview3964 It's only natural that people's understanding of the spiritual world (if there is one) will change over time. Given that this was pre-internet, it makes sense that they would use the surrounding cultures to try to make sense of it all. Look no further than Christianity, Judaism, Islam and their multiple denominations. All filled with people who think they're right while everyone else is half right, and some think others have it completely backwards.
A plane took off around 9 am from Massachusetts. Shortly around 10 am, this plane slammed into one of the tallest buildings in New York. Hitting between the 78 and 80 floors and everyone died. It was a B52 bomber into the Empire State Building in 1945. Will 9/11 south tower be a post rip myth from an earlier story? This shorter video shows blessing of your creative talent. Not a lot of folks , regardless of precious time spent, could do what you are doing! Well done! Prayers up for you friend
Israel claims to have an army of MILLIONS yet the entire Hittite nation was nearly defeated by SIX ships of sea people's. This is at the same time period. Armies were hundreds thousands in the case of the Romans. Even Romans didn't have standing armies of millions. It's all bs the Jews made up. Period.
Copying? Or is this the result of cultural legends/traditions from other near by cultures that the Israelites became affluent to. Remember in ancient Palestine (Canaan) there were several different cultures at different time periods. I think its 1000% normal for cultural memories/legends to spread from one near by tribe to the next and so on. Especially with constant migrations, different government power systems ect. To say they stole them for mischief may be a stretch… the original Hebrew Scriptures were not abt religion, but rather slightly altered cultural legends from that region
@jamilhutchins7824 I've seen this happen, sort of. There's a traditional Inuit drum dance, two or more centuries old at this point, from the western Canadian Arctic that, if someone knew about military history or the history of firearms, the arm motions of the dancer might seem vaguely familiar for some reason. In this case the inspiration of the dance is well known and preserved in the title: it's called "Muzzle Loader". From that alone, you know the original source of those movements. Imagine children learning this dance from their parents but the original name being lost. With no one using that type of weapon any more, they'd have no idea, without doing historical research, that the movements originated from using technology coming from another cultural group. They'd have no reason to suspect that.
The connections of Anat has sparked another direction to fork through the spaghetti of Mediterranean mythologies! That being said, it is all so fascinating.
The original Septuagint was only the translation of the Torah (Five books of Mosheh) but did not survive. The current translation of the Septuagint is all Church made. The Bible was written in Hebrew and some of the writings partially in Aramaic. Saying that it was originally in Greek is like saying that if the KJV was good for Jesus then it’s good for me. Severely anachronistic
@@ericcastaneda8069lol,Google Hebrew is Greek by Joseph Yahuda, he'll show you proof Hebrew and Aramaic came from the Greek language, Israelites were Greek, Titus was the Chrestus,Greek,wake up, Septuagint was copied from the Torah,I can't stop laughing,Jews are Asian Greeks, calling the son of God an half breed is insane.
I allways looked at Judaism as sort of a "missing link" between the late Pagan religions and early Monotheistic religions. Your video was absolutly fascinating!
This is very interesting - and surprising to me - because the situation as described in Judges seems to be so much more historical than in Joshua and Samuel. In them, the land is all conquered and the Israelite religion is perfect. In Judges, there is a chaotic situation with both national identity and religion struggling to take shape. Rather what historians and archaeologists now tell us, that the Israelites were Canaanites who formed a separate national identity and religion. The story of Samson as a hero of the tribe of Dan in the time of their struggle against the Philistines suggests that it became established early, around the time of that struggle, before 1000 BCE. After Dan, moved to the north end of the Israelite federation, far from the Philistines, why would anyone have bothered making up such a story? After that, we would have tribes like Judah fighting the Philistines. But it does seem likely that the Danites could have adopted the story of some foreign hero, perhaps a demigod, whose strength was in his hair, since the only nazirite rule that Joshua ever follows is not to cut his hair.. The story about the Levite, his concubine, and the war against Benjamin - it seems to be a very roundabout way of explaining why the tribe of Benjamin was so small. That, too, suggests to me that some such story must come from (at least) before Assyrians took the northern tribes away. It would lose much of its point if there the only other tribe left was Judah. Did juvenile delinquents in ancient Canaan always behave as in this story and in the story of the angels visiting Lot in Sodom? But thanks for the great work and for bringing out so much stuff I would never have heard of otherwise. And I have subscribed to Inquisitive Bible.
IIRC the most likely-to-be-historical Judge is Gideon, because the writers of the book had to invent a name to hide his real one (Jerubaal) and also hide his claim to kingship (his son's name Abhimelech literally meaning son of the king) to maintain the party line that Saul was the first king of Israel.
@douglashoover6473 Beware that a lot of the statements here are ignorant theories that spread like wildfire by supposed scholars who are actually just agents of bible slander. For example, the THEORY that Hebrews were just a sect of canaanites comes from the fact that their pottery was similar and some pig bones were found by Israelite cities. That’s it. Seriously?! They ignore what the Bible actually says which explains perfectly. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob lived in Canaan and did commerce there and even intermarried in the case of Judah. Then they went to Egypt during the great famine, along with many other people from Canaan who sold themselves as slaves to Egypt in exchange food. Then came back to Canaan after a few generations as a “mixed multitude”, for anyone who was willing to follow the God of Israel out of Egypt. When back in the land they intermarried with the canaanites again(although they were told not to). Also 3 Canaanite tribes deceived Israel into making a covenant with them, so they became “Israel”. The Bible also mentions unfaithful Israelites eating pig. Isn’t the Bible’s own explanation better than un-read “scholars’” ignorant theories??
Maccabi was not part of the Jewish canon, mostly because their family was kohen and not supposed to have the crown of kingship, part of the reason that the myth of the 8 « crazy nights » that oil lasted had been the heart of the celebration of חנוכה. The rishonim (rabbis of the first generations of the reaction of the Mishnah) didn’t want to aggrandize or support a family whose reign lead to the destruction of the Second Temple through their disobedience to the Torah. The story is remembered in the lighting of the ħanoukia but that’s the extent of it. We don’t treat from Maccabi during Ħanouca
@ericcastaneda8069 You should read from Maccabees at Chanukah. Then you would see that the “8 nights of oil myth” is not in Maccabees. You would have to read Talmud from several hundred years later to find that.
@@bobirving6052 I believe that I addressed that. As to having to read a book not in the Jewish canon for a Jewish holiday, should you have to read the Book of Mormon or the Quran every Christmas to see that what is done is pagan about Christmas ?
I forget the chapter and verse of the book of Sirach , but it said “Do not take the advice of anyone who regards you with hostility” or the other translation says “ Don’t trust anyone who doesn’t trust you” . Before I knew it was a Biblical saying, I had an elderly black man tell me that as a young adult. Never had I heard such a true statement.
Wisdom. Thanks. Yes, these are so-called scholars. They spend more time imagining hostility rather than actually studying. In other words lying. Nothing is below these underminers. Real scholars know that Greeks actually got their their written language from the Hebrews. Since that is a fact, it would make sense the Greeks actually took the Israelite stories and personalized them. These supposed scholars knew, or should have known this fact.
All this was starting to convince me, until you said when one reads judges, he/she doesn't get the impression that the judges could've be in charge of different parts of Israel concurrently. The book doesn't states it out directly but it shows more than enough times that most of these judges rose in different areas and for the most part had the loyalty of specific tribes and fought off enemies facing that particular tribe and sometimes even fight off other Israel tribes(shibboleth and Sibboleth story) and sometimes all the tribes come together e.g: the war of the eleven tribes against the tribe of Benjamin
This is epic. It’s interesting in so many ways and for so many reasons. If we look at the Roman take on Greek history - they co-opt the Trojans into their own origin story. If we look at early medieval European history, they co-opt the biblical characters into their own origin myths and also changed their tribal gods into mythic tribal founders - humanizing gods into men to fit the changing narrative. It’s wild and somewhat not surprising to think Jewish ppl did that too. Like you’ve just come out of yet another exodus so let’s align ourselves with the Greeks and in particular the double hard spartan guys and suddenly you’re morale goes up through the roof
Funny thing: when Sumerologists looked at the Sumerian king list and realized that the succession of kings as presented doesn't work and that overlapping reigns in different cities fits in with history, they acknowledged that the Sumerian king list was stylized and not literal. But when Biblical literalists saw that the period of the judges didn't vibe with all the other sources of history from the time and region, they DOUBLED DOWN and began to invent fantastical explanations. "Well, you see . . ."
The Greek worldview would have been syncretized into Hebraic thought the same way that protestant eschatology has been syncretized into Catholicism in the US. Traditionally Catholicism hasn't concerned itself with "end times" prophecy, but because of Hal Lindsey and the Left Behind novels, most Catholics kind of accept that very protestant notion of a biblical apocalypse. The same thing would have happened in the Hellenistic world where Greek thought dominated the culture.
I watched the original Conan the barbarian for the 834th time tonight. I feel like it's a missing chapter of judges (despite mako's narration of timeline)
There is so much wrong with this video and so much right with it, that it's difficult to know where to start! Maybe we should start with why the book of judges is called judges when there are no judges in it? If you ask any Jewish person who understands QBLH ( Jewish system of esoteric code writing) they would say that this title is an example of QBLH as described by the Jewish Sage and kabbalist Maimonides (12th century). A judge deals with the law so this title refers to laws and not judges but which laws it refers to? The laws are astronomical laws mostly since that is the key meaning of all global mythologies. The Greek septuagint Bible has only 5 books to it and so all of the other books were added to it later as they increased their astronomical knowledge and it's the reason that the current Hebrew version is still 5 main sections composed from 24 smaller books. Again these divisions are astronomical in nature. The question is not wether the Jews copied from the Greeks but wether or not the Greeks copied their work from the Jews or the Sumerians. Why would the Jews invent writing and then plagiarise a civilization that could not write anything yet? More importantly, it is only the oldest civilizations that had
I love your videos. This one was particularly interesting. The whole point for me is to shine some historical accuracy on a period shrouded in myth and superstition. I would ask, please refrain from using Palestine as a place name. It didn't exist. Syria Palestina was a 2nd century ce name for the Roman province of Judea. Palestine is a bastardisation of the Roman colonial name, which only survived because it was used by the Roman Catholic Church in Europe for over a thousand years. The name Palestine was used by the British for the Manade and then again by the Arab Nationalists who adopted it. It was never a place from antiquity.
Lepa priča i veoma veliko neznanje pliva na površinu. Hvala vam na ovom Derek vi činite da svet vidi koliko daleko seže prevara i neznanje ispričana kroz uzbudljiv mitologija.Jednog dana sve ovde i drugde rečeno biće istina a svet možda lepši u laži nego istini.
Who knew the Greeks copied the Hebrews so much… that’s wild. Iliad and Odyssey written in 7th or 8th century BC Joshua written 14th century BC Judges written 11th century BC
@@harveywabbit9541 The Merneptah Stela, erected in ca. 1209/08 B.C. to commemorate the Egyptian Pharaoh’s Libyan victories, concludes with a stanza celebrating his conquests in Canaan. This document provides the earliest extrabiblical attestation of an entity known as “Israel,” confirming that by the end of the thirteenth century B.C., the nation was a significant force in Canaan. The so-called Amarna letters, discovered at Tel el-Amarna in Egypt in 1888-89, provide the clearest window into the Canaanite political situation at the beginning of the period of the Judges. This cache of more than three hundred clay tablets inscribed in Akkadian, the language of trade and diplomacy in the fourteenth century B.C., contains the written correspondence between the Egyptian king Amenhotep IV (also called Akhenaten, ca. 1352-1336 B.C.) and his vassal kingdoms in Canaan and Syria. These letters describe a political landscape dominated by a small city-states often at odds with each other and harassed by a troublesome group of landless people known as 'apiru. The religious situation in Canaan during this period has been illuminated by the discovery of several collections of clay tablets from twelfth-century B.C. Ugarit on the Mediterranean coast in northern Syria. Discovered in palace and temple libraries, these texts were written in alphabetic and syllabic Akkadian cuneiform and have yielded a host of invaluable ritual and mythological texts, clarifying the relationships among the Canaanite deities mentioned in Judges and the nature of Canaanite religion found so repugnant by the author of Judges.13 Ugarit was destroyed at the beginning of the twelfth century B.C., presumably by the Sea Peoples, with whom the Philistines are associated.
What I find interesting is during the collapse of the Bronze Age, trees around the entire area had been cut down and decimated leading up to the sea peoples visiting the Levantine region looking for fresh timber. This story is as old as Gilgamesh (the unwise)
While listening and hearing the "spirit of 'god cam upon" I had a question pop into my head. When it is written about 'spirit' is the text possibly referring to 'mind-altering substances"?
TaNaK is in conversation with the Greek writers: Greeks declared that the time of heroes is finished and the Judges agree, supporting monarchy instead.
The Israelites were in Egypt. They were Canaanites to begin with, but they were in Egypt. There is a statue of Joseph with the cloak of many colors a high-ranking Egyptian official empty tomb they took his remains like in the Bible. There is evidence in Egypt. Sorry to burst your bubble. The one archaeologist from Canada did a whole documentary on it.
1. Joseph did not have a "coat of many colors" in the original Hebrew text. That idea was introduced by the translators of the Septuagint, possibly inspired by the similar tale of Cyrus's birth, and made it into the King James Bible, which is why English speakers imagine Joseph that way. And in the biblical story, he loses his coat before going to Egypt anyway, so using a colorful statue as proof of a historical Joseph in Egypt is a non-starter. 2. The statue you're referring to has no connection with Joseph and comes most likely from the 15th Dynasty when Egypt was ruled by a series of Canaanite pharaohs.
@@InquisitiveBible Joseph, as Earth, wears a coat of many colors after the first major frost. The word Joseph is actually I O Seph. He is of both sexes as the I = male and the O = female. The Seph = serpent.
My thoughts on judges when I read it were that it was likely just a literary work and if not then oh my god. Seemed to me that Judah and Simeon in the first few chapters were spoken of as if they were individuals not tribes which does not fit with the supposed 400 years or so of the exodus and Joshua period. There are patterns in the time of the judges as well. And finally the last few chapters are eerily reminiscent of the story of sodom and Gomorrah with strangers coming to town and finding a place to stay then the men of the city surround the house asking to “know” the man too which they offer the daughter of the host and the guests concubine to be done with as they pleased. Some more awful stuff happens then the cities are wiped out and burned to the ground this time by Israelite hands not fire raining form the sky however. All this leads me to conclude that most likely it’s a literary piece meant to demonstrate something for the Israelites not meant as actual history
do one on the 'Kitos War' where Roman historian Cassius Dio claimed: "Tthe Jews were destroying both the Romans and the Greeks. They would cook their flesh, make belts of their entrails, anoint themselves with their blood, and wear their skins for clothing. Others they would give to wild beasts and force still others to fight as gladiators. In all, consequently, two hundred and twenty thousand perished."
At 6:08 - 6:44 You say there's no room in the timeline for the 400 year period of judges. With the end of the Sojourn at about 1515 BC and King Saul at roughly 1065 BC there's plenty of time.
Another potential answer is the world how to universal culture and they all did similar things his way around the world. They share many similar stories, like Giants dragons, floods, and so on.
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It’s RU-vid. That’s why I pay for RU-vid premium to avoid the ads. It got to be too much when ads showed up during meditations. It’s worth the $13 a month I pay to avoid ads.
Canaan, the fourth son of Ham, is the constellation Scorpio. Canaan was changed to Lud, in the tale of the five sons of Shem (Scorpio thru Pisces). We find these same five constellations in Revelation 9.5.
More than likely, try Friedman’s Exodus. It’s more likely in my opinion that the tribe of Lévi left Egypt (being the only tribe with Egyptian names and not just Kna3ani names). My opinion is that the story of Yehoshou3a and Shofetim describe the proselytising of monotheism throughout K’na3an more than a military conquest. If you follow the conquest on a map as described in Yehoshou3a, it makes no sense to take the armies north of Yeriħo and then way south, and then way north and way south again. It would be a waste of time, resources, logistics and energy as far as military conquest goes. @the_Kurgan @MythVisionPodcast
@@ericcastaneda8069 I don't know the bible that well, but I do know many of the cities they claim to have conquered were in ruins long before. One of them they even call the ruined city.
@@the_Kurgan Correct, It's all a scam. No history in the bible. Take for instance, Har Megiddo (Armageddon) is nothing more than the autumn equinox where the sun "falls" below the equinoctial line. See Isaiah 9.14-5, where Israel (summer) is taken from the Hindu-Persian Manticore. This "beast" had the noble/royal head of a lion (Leo) and tail of a liar (Scorpio). The Christians turned this beast around and called it the Griffon. The Eagle was subbed for the Scorpion. Aquila and Scorpio rise at the same time. The Aquila constellation is the Eagle that carried Moses (Aquarius) out of Egypt. Remember the tale of Zeus falling in love with Ganymede? Yes Sir, It is one huge SCAM.
@@ericcastaneda8069 Levi is the bond of stars connecting the two fish in Pisces. At one time, the northern fish was a birdie. This left Simeon being the southern fishy.
You went thru all that and don’t mention the song of Deborah being probably the oldest piece of poetry in the OT? Or that the story of Samson quite obviously a solar myth. You also state that the area was under Egyptian control at this time, which needs some major qualification. The Egyptians are well known for self aggrandizing inscriptions, to the point that they claim to have won the battle of carchemish, as do the hittites. Also the fact that Phillistines, the sea people known as the Peleset, are said to be in the southern coastal plain already. That puts you’re time after the dark age collapse when the whole region was in chaos. You’re missing the forest for the trees
It's no different of hearing different accounts of the Battle of the Buldge from German and American points of view based on physical location of eye witnesses and political outlook.
At 21:26 you quote Judges 3 verse 31 wrongly. It's 'son of Anath' not 'son of Anat'. Anath means answer. Keep in mind these people gave names the same way the American Indians did. Naming people after something associated with them. We don't know what happened for this man" to be named answer but such naming is not unusual at the time.
Like in Samson aka Hercules. Then there is Israel which is El is the phallus. Remember the upright stone (Hermes pillar) that Jacob anointed with oil (semen). Jacob was born while holding onto the heel (phallus) of Esau. Heel catcher = phallus catcher. Also see, in Deuteronomy 32.18, where "God" calls himself the phallus creator (rock that begat thee).
@@harveywabbit9541euh, non. Before spouting and showing your ignorance at least learn Hebrew as a language first. ישראל means that he struggled with God. Él does not mean phallus. שמן doesn’t mean semen. The pillar that Yitzħaq rested his head upon was used as a pillow. It was not a phallus but rather a memorial stone which he anointed with oil, which would be a type of sacrificial offering but not what you’re suggesting. If you don’t know the difference between a heel and a phallus then you may want to go to a biology class. יעקוב grabbed the heel (עקב) of Ésav on their way out of the birth canal of their mother. A baby twin would not have a phallus longer than his leg into which his brother could grab on the way out the womb.
@@ericcastaneda8069 El aka the Ram aka Zeus/Jupiter Amen the god with ram horns did certainly have a phallus. The "rock that begat thee," in Deuteronomy 32.18, is the phallus (Zakar).
The 12 constellations are often divided into the trinity of winter (Nahor), spring (Abram), and summer Haran. Nahor, the snorter is Sagittarius (Fire/Jupiter), Abram the elevated ram (Fire/Jupiter), and Haran Heat/Lion/Elyon (Fire/Jupiter).
The way I understand it, hebrew was the original language of the bible. Alphabet is based on the hebrew script, the first two letters... The Greeks translated the bible script into Greek, then later it was translated into English and other languages. Perhaps the Greek translation had given rise to the myths?
