Shogun - Episode 1 - Anjin - REACTION - First Time Watching 

Oooooohhhhhh ok. Makes sense now. I mean....savage....but makes sense.

That is brutal 🤢

I hope so!

What's better? The book, the 80s show or this one?

@@RamblersInc The book is the best, naturally. Read it twice a long time ago. I'm having issues with the pacing on this one. It seems too fast and furious, while the pacing of the mini series was more leisurely and the politics was more in depth. I do miss Toshiro Mifune - no actor in the new series comes close to his presence and gravitas. I don't sympathize with Blackthorne as much as I did when he was portrayed by Richard Chamberlain. And I miss the quiet, intelligent cunning of the Jesuits - they are caricatures in this series.

I guess that happens most times when yon have to adapt a book to tv/movie. I'll have to check the book out.

And we're here for it 😂

Fair point. There's a different level of excitement when you know the source material in and out. Only downside and this is probably reaching, is if the adaptation doesn't meet your expectations as a fan.

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Good liberties or bad?

@RamblersInc Hard to say so far.... I'd say more of , "odd". Like, they don't take away or add quality to the show so far that I can tell... but they leave me a bit baffled as to why they were taken. (Sorry to be so vague, but a couple biggies do tie into major plot points/current character traits/future developments and I don't want to risk spoiling anything for you guys since I can't figure out why they did them). There are a lot and some are really big... but I cant see the point and they don't really change quality. They just... don't make sense in the story as a whole or why they'd be approached that way. Will have to see how the series continues to play out as I'm just currently watching it, too. Oh, I guess so far there is ONE thing that has struck me as really quite negative, but it's redeemable somewhat. ACK, I'm sorry, this is uselessly vague with the potential-spoiler dodging. Apologies!

@@RamblersIncUpdate as I've been watching more this morning: Bad. A Lot of totally random/pointless changes that make no sense AND major plot/character changes that undermine the story. As in, not reduced and altered for time or to do a surprise/slow-burn result later... things that don't make sense in the show itself, even if you separate it from the book. It's turned out to be one of those cases where they don't simplify for time and low expectations about audiences but rather where it's really just another story with the enough name/surface similarities to use the book's name.... Characters entirely different in personhood, motivation, goals, interactions. Scenes changed for no clear reason. And worst of all... lack of internal logical consistency. Just referencing this first episode so as not to spoiler anything: The Kiku and Yabu (not)sex scene. Regarding the book: it totally cuts away major aspects of the culture the story is in, radically changes personality and motivation points for both. Separate the show from the book and treat it as purely its own story: his motivation and behavior regarding the boiling makes no sense, the presentation and behavior of Kiku and Yabu (and the young man) not only don't make sense but actually go against how things would have been between them while at the same time not adding to the story... the scene is nonsensical and the way it's used could've been totally skipped, it doesn't add or expand to the in-show plot. It's just a totally random show-a-chick's-breast scene. Which, eye candy is not itself a bad thing... but why change the scene in a way that does nothing for the tv show version? Take GoT.... taking the consensual sex life of Daeny & Drogo and changing it to rape over and over. It was an unnecessary change to the books' plot, but you could see why they did it for a tv series. Sadly rape scenes sell better than discomfort from being unused to endless horseriding. It was a cheap change, but you could see the plot and audience-sell value to the change for the show. Changes all over this show just make no sense while also downgrading the story regarding the book and the in-show world.

Oh, I thought the boiling thing might have been a way to tell us how psychotic Yabu us....except....he hasn't really done anything that weird in Ep 2 or 3. Ahh ok. So they're adding unnecessary scenes to please TV viewers. Do we really have that short of an attention span that we need a "random show-a-chick's-breast scene" every now and then? 😂 Wait ! There was no need for that r scene in GoT between Daeny and Drogo? It's sad if they really put it in because it sells better.

@@RamblersIncYup, about GoT. Their first time starts with him getting her hot for an extended period, asking her permission finally, and then sex only after she reaches down and slips his finger in her and says, "yes". From there the other times are that she was in pain from riding and didn't want to look weak and they didn't have language in common yet, either. The boiling and night with Kiku was in the original, but very different. That's what makes this version so odd and became problematic later... they dropped the plot lines/character development/cultural points of it but instead of cutting the sex/nude scene because it wasn't needed for the story anymore OR keeping it as it was and not following into the storylines/development they instead just changed all of it up in ways that make no sense to the book or the in-show versions. The boiling itself works to show him as disturbing/ed for the tv version, but they altered the sexual angle to it and the entire scene with Kiku, Yabu, discussions about it by others, etc were all shifted to where the scenes were reduced to "show a boob"... that's why it's just such a weird and reducing in quality change... they could've cut it since it no longer has a point or they could've kept it true to book tone as a backdrop of cultural/context of the world only. But instead they chose to change it in ways that are contrary to what would've been accurate even generically without a book while the changes don't enhance the tv version of the story. If you wanna keep the sex scene without the plot details attached why not do so? Why make changes that aren't reality based or develop the plot and characters differently for the tv adaptation? Wasted screen time still, still on sexual stuff, but without either the reason for the scene OR creating a new reason. It was just changed.... to change it? In ways that reduce a major character and strip away cultural contexts? A lot of odd stuff with changing or removing scenes, altering characters, adding scenes, timelines jumps, et cetera where the changes just don't make sense. And unfortunately it turns out a lot of those changes strip away character depth and cultural context while oddly not saving screen time or taking the characters in a new or different direction for an adaptation. Nor adding things that would sell more like the GoTs comparison. (Humorous twist there, though... the GoTs books *gained* in being put on tv. The characters and story have significantly, significantly, less depth and complexity in the books)