@@johngoldsworthy7135 I don’t think that this is the case. What Ohtani did, made current and past players look greedy and selfish. Ohtani did a selfless act. That sets him apart from the American players. American players fear that the status quo, will be threatened by Ohtani’s act.
He will get boo'ed because he's a Dodger now. The Dodgers fans boo'ed him when he played in LA as an Angel. It's what fans do. Shohei won't care IMO because he understands that's part of the sport.
When has Shohei ever said he "wants" to be the face of baseball, like AJ puts it? Only thing I've heard from him is he wants to win and thanking the fans/city for support. Wasn't AJ hung up on Shohei not speaking English during press conferences? I wonder if he feels the same way about 600+ Americans who played in Japan who can't speak a lick of Japanese. Should they have learned enough Japanese to converse to reporters? - WW
Yea, typical response by someone who can only speak one language. Ive been living in Japan for a few years and learning a new language is super hard. I agree wanderingwolf...He never said he wants to be the face of baseball, everyone else wants him to be cause hes the best
This AJ guy has always been an Othani hater. Dude, Ohtani is already the face of baseball, he doesn't need to do all the stuff that you want him to do.
Dont know per say if he genuinely dislikes Ohtani but he does represent the views of some baseball fans, and thats relevant in the context of does Ohtani need to be the face of baseball? Globally yes he is but for the US market that person could be Trout/Judge/Betts. An American basically.
Remember that sentiment when the massive inflation he just added to future free agent negotiations boosts the cost of everything at your home park, from tickets to concessions to parking.
No, he makes 50 plus million off the field. The deferral of money isn't taxed and also goes up with inflation. It's not like he sacrificed ANYTHING. In fact he sold out to the big market team and out of all he picked the consistent loser.
It is for the dodgers too. But in the end MLB should close this loop hole. At least push the luxury tax out the 10 years. You shouldn't be able to completely get out of luxury tax by pushing the bill forward.
Nobody complained about Tiger woods when he avoided media. Now AJ is comparing about Ohtani not talking to media. Ohtani will be fine. In fact, he prob will speak abit more but don’t expect he is going to give media everything
People are pissed because he wants to win and shows that all the other big contract players are in it for the money. Great move Ohtani, can't say I feel sorry for the Angels.
Yes, you are right, kind of this idiotic posts come in tons lately. No matter where you look, after Ohtani signed the contract. I guess the US education system is at an all time low?@@HurtTurtlesTreehouse
And remember shohei bet on himself. He took a less contract as a rookie to be a two-way player. And I give the angels credit for letting him do it. If you think about it, the huge stars like Michael Jordan, for example, he was not approachable when he played Even to this day he still isn’t He’s an icon. Shohei will rise to that same level. When Shohei was in the homer Derby, I believe at that point he was making two to $3 million per year ( with no deferred 675 million at the end haha ). he donated the monies that he got paid for doing that to the staff for the Angels He’s a standup guy he’s not getting in trouble just like Jordan didn’t
Nah. He was “projected” to receive $50M+ a year as a 2-way player, even though he’s not going to be pitching. $68M in 10 years has a real money value of $52M a year today. If the Dodgers put $26M in an S&P mutual fund every year for the next decade, can you guess how much money they’ll have in the fund a decade from now? Yup. You guessed it. $68M. Sooo… Esentially, Shohei said, “put 26mil in a mutual fund to pay me later, and use the the other 26 to sign Yoshimodu.” The Dodgers get 2 players for the same price as 2 players. Good for them. Good for Shohei. I don’t think it breaks baseball. Ohtani, Yamamoto, and Kershaw doesn’t “break baseball” any more than Maddux, Glavine & Smoltz broke baseball.
He still gets the money. They just pay him later. So basically he gets his money in the back end. That’s setting himself for later in life and he’s trying to win right now.
Totally agree with AJP. There's nothing crooked or dishonest about the contract. He's giving the Dodgers 10 years in exchange for payment on a schedule that benefits the team. That's all it is--a unique payment schedule for a unique player that works around the luxury tax. The luxury tax isn't a moral imperative, it's just a rule for how baseball teams operate. If MLB thinks deferments like this contribute to disparity, then they need to adjust the rules. You'll have to show me why deferments contribute to disparity and then explain why I should care about that when some of the best teams have the lowest payroll.
we have a chunk of players on the cards that have deferred salaries, Matt Holliday $1.5M/yr (2020-2029), Adam Wainwright $1M/yr (2024-2024), Nolan Arenado $3M/yr (2032-2041)
What will be interesting is will this affect how future free agents do their deals I am a Yankees fan and when I saw the notification for he sighed for 700 million even I said oh snap Otani makes 45-50 million in endorsements
@@HurtTurtlesTreehouse Have you seen angels stadium? It’s filled with Japanese brands/products all over the stadium. Dodgers stadium will be no different.
@@HurtTurtlesTreehouse Shohei's endorsements most definitely helped the team in this case. Unless you are saying Shohei would have deferred $68M/year whether or not he had endorsements. He may have, but that's just speculation. - WW
@@WanderingWolf365 Of course his deferral helped the team in terms of salary space and luxury tax concerns. But if he gets hurt and can't play and they haven't secured an insurance policy because of his two surgeries, then they're SOL because, backloaded or not, the entire amount is guaranteed. What I'm saying is simply factual: endorsement money belongs to the player and his agent, not to the franchise. That it allowed Shohei to comfortably defer payments from the Dodgers is a consequential benefit.
if the dodgers were willing to pay $70M per year for the first 10 years, and if ohtani said he'll defer most of it, then ohtani basically took a $232M pay cut to keep the dodgers competitive. it's that simple. -$232M=($46.8M-$70M)x10=(AAV - salary without accounting for the time value of money) x number of years. on the other hand, if the $70M per year for the first 10 years was never on the table, all this is just optics. i.e. this is not really a $700M contract. it is essentially a $468M contract, and the dodgers are getting charged as a $468M contract. illustratrion: any team that can pay $468M over 10 years can do the same thing as the dodgers. they just need to save $44.8M (=AAV minus $2M) each year and put it in an interest bearing account. then after 10 years, they'll have $68M to pay their player each year. any player can do it as well - a player that gets signed $468M over 10 years can save $44.8M of the $46.8M each year, and 10 years later, the player will have an income stream of $68M per year. of course you need to adjust the math for taxes, but the same argument holds. overall, i think the $468M (or $700M) over 10 years seems fair for ohtani given his injury this year. i.e. ohtani is getting paid what we thought he would get paid, between $450M to $500M because of the injury.
I think he was just done with the angels(owners). What can you say when you are doing all this amazing stuff and the teams still lost. No offense to Angels, I think they were trying to build a team just didn't work out... kinda just got that vibe from him. He already had one foot out the door waiting for his free agency. Seems like he was ready for this fresh start. Like he can be that missing piece for an amazing team with 3 of the nicest superstars, mookie, freddie, will smith, and I think Jason Hayward is just a good example of club house leader. I don't get how anyone could hate those guys. The team(owners and probably the fans not all are annoying lol), yes, I get, but those guys are some of the "nicest" (I don't know them, but they look nice, lol) 🤷♀️
I love how all the other GMs could do the same thing, just never considered it. Friedman is simply smarter than everyone else. As a Californian, f*ck California! Lol! GO BLUE!!
Guys, the deferral is still a loophole that needs to be closed or the luxury tax system won't sustain the lesser teams and the game will suffer. The Dodgers were very clever, lets end this cleverness now.
I believe the net present value for each year will be a little bit different. 68M paid 15 years from now should be discounted less than 68M paid 16 years from now, even through the discount rate is the same.
for the sake of the Dodgers, they better win a championship with him because they're going to be sunk with the deferred money. they also better hope he's going to be himself after the second tommy john
Has Shohei ever said he wants to be the face of baseball? 🤔 Shohei is there to play baseball. Not for attention and money. Obviously🙄 he just got these things as a result. AJ is like if Shohei can be the face of baseball, then I could be the one! haha funny
It is ok only if everyone had the same deferral option. Otherwise it's an unsolvable quagmire. The Bobby Bonilla deferral was a joke precisely because the wilpons were taken for fools. If everyone defers, there will be a bubble that blows up all of professional baseball if we go through a market recession
Ohtani gets booed? Good joke lmao he hasnt even wear the uniform yet Dodgers fan are already calling him the Goat for wanting to deffer all his salary 😂
Shohei failed in having no interest on that deferred payments. Plus, the Dodgers circumvented the luxury tax for CBT. Instead of 70M hitting the AAV and making their payroll 245 and over the 237 luxury tax threshold, its 46AAV and making their payroll only 221 and under it. I bet the CBT will be changed so the deferred money hits during their playing days. Small market teams should be furious.
People who hate Ohtani because of he's contract is JEALOUS !!! 😂 Because they can't do what he's done Get $700 Million contract for 10 year and deferse it to $20 million which 98% of the BIG MONEY IS CRAZY NO ONE BASEBALL PLAYER WOULD DO IT 😂😂😂 Because they don't have much money like Ohtani, he get $50 million each year from the endorsment
@@berto8232 No, it's because they understand that every new obscenely rich free agent contract sets the bar higher for future negotiations, and the owners always pass on the cost to the fans.
@@HurtTurtlesTreehouseYou think every superstar is like Shohei ohtani willing to get 2 million per year so the team can win? They aren’t making 40+ million off endorsements. The next closest is Judge who makes 4 million. This doesn’t change anything. One of a kind player with a one of a kind contract.
@@MrMafiaDog You're arguing against your own point. If other players can't count on huge endorsement paydays that come from outside the franchise, they have even more motive to get as much as possible from the franchise when negotiating a contract. If you think all the agents aren't viewing Shohei's contract as a new benchmark to be brought up in negotiations, you're dreaming. The deferred money is irrelevant in that respect. From an agent's standpoint, the total dollar amount is the bottom line and the benchmark.
@@HurtTurtlesTreehouse They won’t even ask for anything near that amount. Unless another player that can pitch and hit comes to mlb, it’s highly unlikely we’ll ever see that kind of money again. You only spend that money on a player that will ensure you’ll make it back.
One of the reasons why Ohtani chose the Dodgers over the Blue Jays is because of the broadcast time slot from Japan. The Dodgers on the West Coast will be broadcasting around 10 a.m., while the East Coast Blue Jays will be broadcast around 2 a.m. Japan time. In other words, Japanese people will not be able to watch live broadcasts of East Coast teams for the next 10 years. Otani wants Japanese people, especially children, to watch him play baseball live. That's why I first decided on the West Coast Angels.
That doesn't make any sense........there is only a 3 hour difference between the East coast and the West coast. If they can watch West coast games at 10 AM that means they could watch East coast games at 7 AM.
Shohei didn’t do anything wrong at all, but this isn’t “selfless”. He’s getting exactly what he wants. Less taxed money, and an opportunity to win. He didn’t sacrifice anything for this, and he deserved that. But I do think there should be a rule proposed in the next CBA about the total value of a contract going towards the CBT, regardless of deferrals.
One of the guys in the video doesn't understand taxes on a state and federal levels. He repeating something that's been falsely circulating online. Shohei will be taxed on his deferred income when he retires because he earned that money in California and USA. Shohei didn't escape taxes at ALL. He just delayed his taxes.
Can someone step up and tell AJ and Kratz to turn those goddamn hats around. Do these men not have wives or friends? It’s not that it looks bad, it looks completely ridiculous.
For those working the numbers to simplify Ohtani is getting $2M a year and $44M a year goes into escrow. Come 2034 through 2043 Ohtani gets $68M per year. It’s interest free to Ohtani but the Dodgers can make interest on the “escrow” $. Another layer Ohtani can move out of Cali in 2034 not pay Cali Taxes or if he leaves USA not pay Fed taxes as well. Win-win for a guy that makes crazy $ off the field.
Everyone can try and paint ohtani as a Saint for helping his team win. This was still a selfish move, and it sucks for baseball. This can't be good for the game outside the player and the teams success. It didn't break any rules, but the move was OP.
This still gives the Dodgers a competitive edge to sign players due to saving $24M on the CBT! That's $24M less money that would put them over the threshold limit!
Completely agree. But I think it’s more on Ohtani being aware that regardless of who signed him, he would cripple that team. How many other players would be willing to do what Ohtani did? Ohtani is losing about $200M anyways by deferring his money.
Good for Pierzynski calling out the elephant in the room. Shohei needs to learn English if he wants to be the face of the MLB. Or at least face the media more
