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My grandpa was a surivor of the uss Indianapolis. He passed away last year at 94. They built those men differently. The documentaries based on them are amazing. My grandpa was Richard Thelen
Dick Thelen was great guy. I knew him well. He told me the capoc life preservers they were wearing were good for 72 hours before becoming waterlogged. They were in the water around 96 hours. He said when he was rescued the Pacific Ocean was right up to his lower lip. Those guys were real heroes of the human race.
@Cappy 4598 I have great luck with Aguilla and even better with CCI. I will say back in the day most 22LR ammo was across the board more reliable than now.
@@UncleDanBand64 I must be the odd duck.. I have a few different 22s.. the only issue I have had was stingers in a semiautomatic kept getting hung up... and federal blue box would cycle my ruger reliably.. they went bang but just wouldn't cycle the next round..
@James Branham The only issues I have had is just bad primers or failure to fire. The old click and no bang. I shoot a ton of Federal Automatch because it is cheap but, maybe a bad primer or two out of a hundred.
@@UncleDanBand64All ammo created today is baseline more reliable and sophisticated than older ammo because of technological developments, even factoring in corporations cutting more corners today. Maybe you just got really lucky and had a lot of good rounds.
Not just 4 days at sea... 4 days adrift in the water without rafts. I'm a boomer. These young men became our fathers, uncles, and teachers. My everlasting respect and gratitude goes out to these men.
and with the warm shark infested waters (Oceanic white tips) while the oil was burning on top... after they had to survive the explosions and suction from the ship sinking as the water rushed in from where the ship use to be within 12 minutes... crazy to be able to survive that
It's incredible to see ammo from the USS Indianapolis after all these years! This is a great reminder of the bravery and sacrifice of the men who served on that ship.
The ammo itself was not from the USS Indianapolis. Everything went down with the ship when it sank. It is still 80 year old ammo from a survivor of the Indianapolis.
Outstanding video guys. I’m retired Navy and really enjoy history of the Navy. Thanks for honoring him and all the men who died on that fateful, historic mission.
The greatest moment of a great movie. I saw it in the theater when I was only seven. To this day, when it airs on TV, the hairs stand up on my arms when that scene comes up. One little touch that makes the introduction of Shaw's recitation more powerful is how Richard Dreyfuss is drunkenly giggling right before it starts, then when Shaw says "Mr. Hooper, that's the U.S.S. Indianapolis," he wheezes to a stop from giggling and asks -- suddenly serious and clearly in awe -- "You were on the Indianapolis?"
@@Gunners_Mate_Guns Yeah and the story behind it is great too. Shaw insisting on doing the take drunk and making a complete mess of it. Then realising what he'd done and begging Spielberg for another chance. Then of course he smashes it out of the park and gives us one of the greatest scenes in film history.
My Dad carried the M1 Carbine during the war and again during Korea, with the 11th Airborne Division. He became a deputy sheriff in the early 1960s and was able to purchase one through a LEO program, for $50.
The springs don't wear out from being loaded. They wear out from being loaded and unloaded and if you look at the bullet and you don't look at the headstamp I would have guessed they were made just last week. They're not doesn't look discolored or anything as long as they kept dry and it can never dry and by the way, there's a female bow trick shooter named Jennifer Delaney and she was splitting cards the other day. You really ought to check her out and see if you can get make a video with her. Think she's in Texas. It would be a good video if she doesn't shoot the compound. Huge recurve just thought you might want to know. I think I'd make a good video. That's all I got to say about that and y'all have a good day!
I was surprised to find out some or alot of the carbine ammo was plated steel case like the .45 auto ammo. I turned up my audio to hear the dialogue here and the firing about blew out the little speakers and hurt my ears. Unless stored perfectly that plated ammo gets crusty. You could resized those antique cases and reload them empty with new ball bullets and make keychains or something.
I've never been much when it comes to reading books. Never had time attention span. I can probably count on one hand the amount of books I've read by choice in my entire life. In Harms Way was one of them back in high school. What an absolute hardcore/heartbreaking story
Where did you find soft point at, I would buy some if I could. An yes I read the book, sad what those sailors an marines had to go thru for four days stranded at sea. Thx for the vid WHICH EVER PLINKSTER IT WAS.
I just reread "In Harm's Way" by Doug Stanton. It mostly focuses on the travails of Captain McVay and of course the several days floating in the Pacific after the ship was sunk by two torpedo hits. An amazing story.
Well that kinda blows the theory of leaving rounds in the magazine for too long screws with the spring and makes the last couple of rounds hard to cycle...
That was awesome. The history is great and having the ammo still in the magazines is just incredible. I had no doubt they would fire and fire perfectly. Remember, as the young man said. "it's American made". That was a time when American made actually meant something. Things were designed to work and last, not like today when just about everything has an approximate predetermined lifespan. Now things have a 5, 10, 20 year lifespan so we can buy a replacement and the company making the product has built in future revenue. Great video, congratulations.
That would likely never happen with today's ammo primers, especially with DNNP "green" primers. As far as I'm aware of, all of the ammo used in WWII by all involved was corrosive primer. That itself is fine and it will not hurt anything as long as you make sure to clean afterwards.
That was generally true, except .30 carbine ammo was originally non-corrosive. The reason is simple, the short-stroke gas piston in the M1 Carbine had it's castle nut pinned at the armory, so it isn't cleaned with normal field stripping. You wouldn't want corrosive primers with such a system, it would cause problems really quick under war conditions.
My uncle was on the Indianapolis and did not survive. The Navy just notified that his remains had been found last year. Amazing that they made the effort to contact families after all that time. Thanks for making this video and keeping the memory of all those who served on the Indianapolis alive!
That was great! Back in the late 70's my friend had an '03 Springfield. We fired some WW1 ammo, Ww2 ammo and new commercial ammo. It was bang, BOOM, boom. The WW2 ammo was definitely loaded hot. Great connection to your family.😊 Semper fi
Great video with some awesome history. Boy did he nail the plinkster smile! Love that range, I hope one day I can have something similar to let my little girl shoot her Winchester 121 at.
Being under tension isn't what kills springs - it's repeated *cycling* of the springs that does them in. I had *NO* doubt the magazines would function perfectly, and ditto the ammunition. GREAT video. THANK you!
I cannot believe the springs in those magazines did not suffer from compression. I had several 30 round AK mags that were Eastern block steel mags that had their Springs ruined just from staying fully loaded for only a few months and I literally had to restretch them out. But 80 years? Those Eastern block magazines I had must have had some pretty garbage Springs in them. I guess I got what I paid for though LOL I remember I got them from a company called "Clearview Investments" which I learned of in the old "Shotgun News Magazine" back in the very early 2000s and they were on sale, you would get four 30rd magazines plus a mag pouch for $14.99, so I bought two sets of magazines. Nowadays you can't even get a single magazine for that price haha. And I also never once had a problem with those magazines. No attaching problems, no feeding problems, nothing, but the Springs did have that one problem a simple stretch of the Springs fixed it.
I worked with a Doctor that flew B-17’s in the war, after reading , In Harms Way, I brought it up too him, only too find out his brother was a survivor of the Indianapolis. I’ll have too pick this book up. As a sailor myself this is one of the most heartbreaking stories ever told.
Different brand of men back then, and they were boys to me with courage and determination that was impressive. If not for them, we may be speaking a different language now.
Mr. Clipazine: I saw your Great-Grandfather's interview on youtube. What a story and what a wonderful testimony of his faith in the Lord, Jesus Christ. He is an inspiring role model for all of us.
Thank you so much! My family and I loved him and know he is with the Lord in glory. He set a great example of what a godly father, grandfather, and great grandfather should be.
My pops was aboard the USS IOWA when turret two blew up, crazy little things in life! Also I used to work with a guy named Mike Minter who said his son was your pastor. Small world.
That stuff actually has a collector value beyond it’s from from that long ago but from that fated ship that went down and all that surrounded it, after delivering the atomic bomb, it has to have a value beyond shooting it up.
I have brick of Remington Mohawk 22 ammo which is about 45 years old and it shoots just like new current ammo and out preformed some of the most popular plinking rounds now available
First of all, I had to give a moment of silence for the men lost in the sinking of the Indianapolis. Such a tragedy, compounded by sharks that took hundreds of survivors from the water, and the slow response by the Navy in looking for the ship when it was overdue on return from its mission to Tinian. If it hadn't been for the vigilance of a single PBY patrol aircraft's crew spotting survivors floating on the open sea, the losses may well have been 100%. As for the age of the .30 Carbine ammo, I wasn't surprised at all to see it fire normally. I've shot blackpowder ammunition in .44-40 that was well over 100 years old, and it worked just fine. Some of my own handloads have done equally well after more than 30 years in storage in .50 Cal ammo cans. I've also come across "antique" .44 Special (Super X) ammo that looked well care-for, but gave 100% failures to fire. In general, though, ammo is practically immortal, provided that it's kept reasonably cool and dry. Enjoyed your video a lot. Stay safe out there!
I'd like to know the actual history of that ammo. It obviously didn't go down with the ship or float among the survivors. I'm guessing it was taken off the ship at some point or was stored in an armory somewhere.
bought surplus .303 ammo head stamped 1927. Shooting in a Lee-Enfield #4, 2-3 rounds per 10 round clip would hang or be dud. Ammo was purchased loose, with a little corrosion. Cordite stick propellant.
As long as it was properly stored, it should not be a problem. I have 40 year old 303 British ammo for my 1918 Enfield SMLE MKIII* from MEN in Germany and it fires just fine. No misfires.
Japanese submarine slammed two torpedoes into our side, Chief. We was comin' back from the island of Tinian to Leyte, just delivered the bomb. The Hiroshima bomb. Eleven hundred men went into the water. Vessel went down in twelve minutes. Didn't see the first shark for about a half an hour. Tiger. Thirteen-footer. You know how you know that when you're in the water, Chief? You tell by lookin' from the dorsal to the tail. What we didn't know... was our bomb mission had been so secret, no distress signal had been sent. Heh. They didn't even list us overdue for a week. Very first light, Chief, sharks come cruisin'. So we formed ourselves into tight groups. Y'know, it's... kinda like ol' squares in a battle like, uh, you see in a calendar, like the Battle of Waterloo, and the idea was, shark comes to the nearest man and that man, he'd start poundin' and hollerin' and screamin', and sometimes the shark'd go away... sometimes he wouldn't go away. Sometimes that shark, he looks right into ya. Right into your eyes. Y'know the thing about a shark, he's got... lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eyes. When he comes at ya, doesn't seem to be livin'... until he bites ya. And those black eyes roll over white, and then... oh, then you hear that terrible high-pitch screamin', the ocean turns red, and spite of all the poundin' and the hollerin', they all come in and they... rip you to pieces.
Tons of respect for your grandfather! On a side note. Thanks for proving my point on springs and keeping ammo loaded in magazines for long periods of time.
Most western military material from before the 90 are over the top in quality. Ammo will always be made to standards that allow them to be used in the desert and in the polar regions, for ever foreseable time, during a war You cannot start producing ammo for wartime use, it must be at least for 6 to 12 months full out war, so that the factories could change to wartime production. Look in to the Russian Ukraine war, there seems to be that the Russians are going to deplete their stock on bigger munitions, but have the capacity to produce or at least have small arms ammunition at hand.
I know this has nothing to do with the video, but looking to get my first suppressor and am eyeing the dead air mask hd and ea nyx mod 2. Any experience with either and which is quieter? Having a hard time finding db readings for the nyx online.
That is so cool. I have my Grandpas M1 from ww2 I shoot it once a year on D Day to remember the sacrifices of the greatest generation. I can only imagine shooting the ammo he carried as well so cool
This video should end any debates about storing your magazines loaded. Would have been interesting to have a chrono there to see if the velocity changed.
I used to work on and now live next to Ft Geo G. Meade Md. WWI ammo buried in 1918 was uncovered while construction of buildings in the area of old shooting ranges. That ammo was buried in wooden boxes not sealed metal ammo cans. The wooden crates were pretty well rotted and the "paper" containers destroyed by moisture, the ammo was for all intent and purposes lying loose in the soil. Had bee exposed to the subsurface elements for many D E C A D E S ALL THEY TRIED FIRED PERFECTLY AS EXPECTED OF MILITARY AMMO!!!!!!!!! So much for old ammo. Regarding magazines left loaded not losing spring tension, many Utubes across the past couple decades have already pointed out the fact that such mags still function as intended.
At 18 Years old just out of Trade School as a Plumber/Pipe Fitter, My Uncle worked on the Indianapolis the night before it sailed. He was on top of the radar mast installing a special antenna at 1:00am which was 3 or 4 hours before the ship left Pearl for Tinian. During the Installation he could see the docks below when 3 Navy Limos pulled up with several Top brass coming aboard. When he reported to work at 7:00am the ship was gone and nobody ever saw that ship again. My Uncle eventually rose to the level of Chief Planner of the entire Pearl Habor Ship Yard. explosion
RIP Ed. Great video and I may check out that book. Ive had mosin ammo and mauser ammo that was even older in spam cans and they shot just fine...although it was corrosive. Was the ammo you shot corrosive?
Hey man, I just subscribed. Found your channel from the CF podcast. By far the longest podcast I’ve watched but worth every moment! Now to plan a turkey hunting trip.
I actually met Edgar Harrell in Indianapolis, Indiana around 2011. I was there for a veterans summit hosted by the Students Veterans of America (SVA) and the hotel that they put us up at was the same hotel that the USS Indianapolis survivors were having their reunion at. He was there with his wife and both of them were very nice. A few weeks after I met Mr. Harrell he mailed me an autographed copy of his book.
My Dad was a marine in WWII. He served on Guam, Tinian, and Saipan. Tinian was where the bomb was shipped to before the Enola Gay delivered it. My Dad was on a 80mm mortar squad. They were issued the 30 caliber carbine which he fired expert. He loved that rifle.
