Should Cops "Shoot To Incapacitate"? 

Outstanding explaination! As a medicine student can confirm 100%

Yep. I was thinking along the same lines. Plus smaller targets with limb shots = higher risk of getting someone else.

LMAO, Seriously, none of this bs makes sense 🤣💥🤣💥🤣🤣😂🤣

I was a Navy Corpsman assigned w/the Marines in Viet Nam and treated a few GSWs in the field and you’re absolutely right. This is a stupid policy made by a spineless police chief who hasn’t been a real cop in years, if ever.

@@oldcop18 I would be willing to bet it's the city council that made this decision, not a police chief. This would be like making the fire dept use low-flow nozzles because *_Karen_* decided to complain about wasting too much water during a drought. On paper it makes sense. In practice, not so much.

BINGO. Thanks for the feedback Jason! I hope you've been doing well. Good to see you on here again, my friend! 👌

I know a women who was shot in the head and the bullet entered her skull, wraped around the outside of her brain and skated around the inside of her skull, missing her brain and exiting out the back of her skull. She lived and made basically a full recovery. People can even survive gunshots to the head if it hits just right, depending on the round. I know someone who has. Wild.

@@TheAnnoyingBoss My dad went to school with a guy who was shot in the head during a robbery while working. He's still alive with a family to this day.

@@officer401 The solution to this non-problem is so obvious that I’m shocked no one else has thought of it. Stop using lead and gunpowder based weapons entirely and instead issue Nerf guns. The worse that might happen is someone has a minor eye injury. But the way it works is that the officer would fire his Nerf gun, on fully auto, at the threat and the threat would immediately start laughing so hard he would collapse onto the ground and with the tears streaming out of his eyes, he wouldn’t even see when the cop casually walked over and handcuffed him. BRILLIANT! Problem solved. And I developed this technique from the comfort of my nicely cushioned swivel chair in less than 5 minutes. Talk about efficiency! Don’t thank me. I’ll be happy to send you a complete training plan, in PowerPoint for only a small, nominal gratuity of $5,000. In addition the purchase of said training plan entitles you to have me come to your location and present the training in person at a discounted rate of $200 per hour plus per diem and 5 star hotel accommodations. 😜Take care. It’s crazier out there than ever.

@@officer401 The Leg has the Femoral Artery, Arms have the Brachial Artery, both of which will kill you just as dead as a Center Mass Shot (but will just put the Officer at more risk of shooting something/someone they didn’t intend.) Never mind in an average Police Shooting there are well above just one Shot as well! They must figure these Officers are going to be Snipers with their Pistols that aren’t even equipped with a Shoulder Stocks. Edit: I see you mentioned the Femoral Artery.

Not north Georgia just metro Atlanta

Seems to be going that way with the Military as well. I got out in 2012 mostly because the direction it was heading then.

Schedule, money, benefits, work load, retirement.

I would love to be but I can not pass the physical cause of my heart condition

As a kid I always wanted to be a police officer but I’ve given up on that cause it just isn’t worth it

It's tough but if anything the current climate has motivated me more to go out and become an LEO and show everyone how good people are!

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The only meth heads ive fought are 90lbs and their tensile and physical strength outweighs me, a 250 lb meth addict is borderline super human id imagine.

JuSt TaZe ThEm

Thank you for the kind words!

401's come a long way from using car doors to stop fleeing suspects 😜😜

I still remember when he was promoted to Officer26.

@@SteeringWheelHolder1 I remember those videos. Used to watch that shit on the bus coming from highschool. Now I am a rookie in the project 🤣

@@SteeringWheelHolder1 and how humbled we are for our brotha. I remember watching him when his channel was brand new. How time flies

Oh....oh...this comment is perfect and couldn't be more correct, believe me.

yes this always happens if something bad happens so their image wont be ruined some times police dept's dont care about its people that much

There still are people who are involved in this career. I just graduated my academy and there is 15 other people who I know are passionate for it as well!

This kind of thing happens a lot in corporate settings and is as we would call it in the military "CYA" on their parts. They can now say "we told them" and wash their hands of responsibility. Good intentions aside be prepared to be thrown under the bus. It all sounds good on paper but ignores the realities of the situation.

@@johnpatti4391 CYA?? Cuddle Your Aardvark? Just about every business, especially public utilities and govt entities, should adhere to the philosophy of, Cover Your Ass. In this sue happy world we live in they would be crazy not to. I worked for my cities water dept and know far too well the peril of not doing so. Someone has to be the fall guy when something goes wrong.

If you shoot BEFORE the knife-wielding suspect charges at you, you don't lose time and have a good chance to incapacitate. Leg shots work, if used timely and correctly.

Most of the officer involved shootings in Phoenix (like 95% of them) involve gun wielding suspects that are hyped up on meth. I feel like that might not help the situation. I'm just a delivery driver though so have no idea xD

@Fishy Tree Probably should’ve reread that before posting, shoot small doesn’t even make sense lol 🤦🏼‍♂️

@@brushemteeth9159 legs also house one of the largest main arteries that we as humans possess, and bullets dont just do a in and out expecially with human bones,muscle and sinew in the way for them to deflect, either way shooting for a shoulder and get them to a hospital is one of the best bets, if they also have a gun and you have done steps 1 to 10 and they still have no desire to calm down or lower the weapon, shoot without discrimination, for you have no idea if your adversary is as inclined to be a gentleman

I love ASP

... with these amendments: 1. They go WITHOUT their own bodyguards. 2. They DO NOT get to wear any body armor. 3. Once every hour, they have to leave the patrol car & interact with the “public”. The way I figure it, these appeasing politicians will be exterminated before the second hour begins.

Think this is their agenda take away peoples first most capable defense.

If you shoot BEFORE the knife-wielding suspect charges at you, you don't lose time and have a good chance to incapacitate. Leg shots work, if used timely and correctly.

@@brushemteeth9159 Unless you can read someone's mind you have no idea what they are going to do. 🤔🇺🇸🇺🇸

@@brushemteeth9159 And you hit an artery in the leg and oops, they die.

@@jsealejandro06 Only if you shoot the thigh and not the lower leg or knee which are almost safe to shoot. Also, even a thigh artery hit, that is still far less likely to happen than when you go for a torso shot that is almost always lethal. Lastly, you can effectively stop leg artery bleeding with a tourniquet on scene while torso shots need surgery to stop internal bleeding. Leg shots work.

Thanks for the feedback Mike!

@@officer401 the cops should just shoot them in the head an be done with it

@@billw623 It is a very small object, and the useful part is smaller. Imagine half a cinder block, just one cavity, with a walnut in there. Yes, I'm describing mammals that are genetically human. Center mass works

@@tenchraven so does a shot to the mammals head would drop the animal stop them cold in there tracks

@@tenchraven well if you get a hole in the blader or an gut that will up spead up the mammals death for sure when tme mammal causes one to suffer lost they need a so long painful death

Yepp, A wanna be cop here went to the range the other day boy I need a lot of training i was missing close shots lol

@@Eugenepanels honestly shooting firearms needs to be a regular practice/ordeal for people. Mainly because if you do have to shoot for the love of all holy don't miss. Practice literally makes perfect.

Deadly force is deadly force. Face or foot, 1 shot or 10...shoot until the threat stops.

I was just going to bring up the femoral artery being in the pelvic and leg area as well. Lol. Bleed out in minutes.

Yes the femoral artery is in the hips, legs and, lower abdomen. Yes shooting it has a high chance of killing them anyway.

@Alan d'Eon you can get shot in the leg and have it ricochet throughout the inside of your body. Had a call for a child who got struck in a drive by with entrance wound in the leg and upper internal bleeding due to the bullet bouncing inside her

@Alan d'Eon if you are a cop and your forced to shoot someone to stop the threat posed to yourself or others. Do you really think that your gonna run up to that person really quick to put on a tourniquet when your not sure if they really are still a threat? Most cops are gonna wait for backup so they have some form of self protection.

glad you're black

That only applies to the thigh, not the lower leg. And the femoral artery takes up a tiny part of the thigh only. I'd prefer being shot in thigh more than anywhere in the torso.

@@brushemteeth9159 the problem is that people have no idea what they are talking about. Simple truth is- if you aim for abdomen/legs, you will not hit shit, and endanger your life. This is why it's so facepalmingly stupid. Deadly forse is deadly force. You shoot, center mass, until the threat is stopped.

A leg injury is often still less fatal than a wound to the chest where most of your vital organs reside. The femoral artery is but one part of the leg. It's not rocket science.

@@Jejdjejbfjf not true at all, leg wounds drain blood extremely quickly, especially if hit in multiple spots. As a surgical technologist who specializes in trauma, being shot in the leg has A LOT of negatives, the femoral artery isn’t the only major vascular part of the leg/ thigh. It also doesn’t take much common sense to know a leg shot isn’t going to take a threat out. Which means you’re going to have more bullet wounds, more bleeding, and makes it quicker to just bleed out especially since cops only carry one tourniquet makes it very obvious that you’ll just have more shots fired, more GSW, and a higher death rate. So good luck with that.

@@Froz0nPh0enix yeah as we have established getting shot anywhere in your body literally has many negatives, it goes without saying that it includes the legs. So there is no need to attempt to dispute or prove that as you have attempted to do. But I'm sure anyone with common sense would rather get shot in the leg than shot in the upper body which would likely puncture the heart, lungs or brain, literally the vital organs which upon failure could result in instantaneous death. The number of shots is besides the point and outside your expertise if any. Cops fire multiple shots for various reasons in the heat of the moment. Just watch those live police cam videos where multiple cops surround a suspect and simultaneously send a barrage of bullets into the body within a few seconds following a perceived threat. If they're gonna shoot multiple times anyway, obviously shoot in the legs/extremities to reduce what would inevitably be great injury to the suspect. Also it is grossly outside your expertise to assume that one shot to the leg wouldnt take a threat out. That largely depends on a gamut of factors including the hostility and pain endurance of the suspect, as well as the type of bullet/gun used. This fatal assumption of yours is what causes LEOs to use inappropriate degrees of force - very dangerous mentality! I'm disappointed that a supposedly professional technologist like yourself would endorse such false assumptions as if they are part of your expertise. Btw in where I live, one shot to the extremity is what we are trained to do as well to eliminate a threat, heck even the use of a taser might be sufficient. Idk where you got the info that you gotta shoot multiple times in the legs to be effective. You obviously dont know of the excruciating pain which comes with a bullet wound.

Neville "no war at our lifetime" Chamberlain

I like how you referenced Oversimplified.

No, I don't run ideas and concepts I create for my private business by command staff of a separate occupation for approval. That's overreach. Thanks for your support, my friend!

Good luck! 👍

Thank you !

We can agree on that one brotha

Good luck. Been thinking about going down this route as well. Would love a response back when you get done with the academy. God Bless.

Congratulations & thank you for serving. Please be safe.

He's done them in the past. Look through his vids from a couple years ago. He did a whole series about the application/hiring process. But his main advice for the psych part was just be completely honest. They'll ask a bunch of questions in different ways trying to get you to slip. If you think you can fake it, you can't. They've have alot more practice spotting liars than most people have had lying. Lol

ABSOLUTELY. Doing good for the world doesn't mean having to sacrifice your own health and safety

If that happens imma resign criminals won't go by your training they won't just pop your foot the department is stupid