Should drone regulations be based on myths and disinformation? (part 2) 

I think one of the biggest issues with people fighting back against this is a lot of people got into this hobby for fun, friends, and relaxation, not a fight.....

Great video Bruce.💪 The only way to stop this nonsense is for massive non-compliance, i wish more people understood this.

As a modeller for well over 60 years,quietly flying my radio control models along with similar minded friends,I shall continue uninterrupted. We fly in the middle of nowhere and have never had a single complaint,primarily because the nearest habitation is over half mile away. We are not CAA registered and never will be. As to the boys in blue checking up,we haven't seen a police car anywhere near our site in over ten years. We will not bow down to all this bullshit nonsense,where the CAA is desperately trying to control all lower airspace so 'get rich quick' drone companies think they can make a financial killing and sod everyone else. The business model is flawed anyway,because the first commercial drone that falls from the skies with a technical failure and kills or seriously injures an innocent member of the public,will result in their demise pretty smartish. All the consultation in the world,dreamt up by technical illiterate lunatics in the corridors of power,will not result in sensible controls of our hobby,rather they would prefer to crush underfoot any opposition. I believe our national body here in the UK ,has given in to this nonsense,without putting up a serious fight. The whole business of pilot registration and ID's etc is a farce as it's totally unenforceable anyway. Our little group will continue to enjoy ourselves as we always have done. Eventually the whole thing will die the death,as these crass ideas always do.

@Bruce, I live in the UK and I let my drone ID lapse, I still fly my 5" and my foam board aircraft's in the local parks, Civil disobedience is the only way to go. Organisations such as OSL that are funded based on the Gatwick hysteria will be contracted in to run the CAA's drone defence operations.

Have been flying model aircraft, mainly fixed wing, for over fifty years and will continue to do so. I like yourself have always flown safely and never had an accident that caused harm (I'm ignoring the numerous sliced fingers messing with Cox. 049s in the early days) I will continue as I always have in the UK. until they find me, steal my gear and lock me up. I did visit the CAA consultation online but after spending more of my time than I expected, and very confused, . I decided not to give them my information and details of my hangar contents.My grandkids will continue to fly indestructible and rudimentary air hogs foamies with potatoes for cameras. Thank you for highlighting this nonsense to the world.

The trouble is, we have RU-vid 'Auditors' being silly with drone flying, and it's them who are destroying the hobby for the rest of us sensible flyers!

I've already withdrawn my consent to be regulated by the CAA, so I'm now officially exempt⚠️😲🤔😳😁 I've always said 'pay to fly' or a monthly subscription based system will be the next step after any Remote ID requirement.😮😳

As a member of the LMA UK I do not think this organisation will take up your suggestions on how to fight until they start losing members and by that time it will all be gone😢

I will definitely not be complying with any of their dictatorship rules and regulations so they can get rich from the ordinary traditional modeler who has been flying responsibly and enjoying his hobby since the end of the second world war. We didnt need remote id back then and we certainly dont need it now. Model flyers have proved that all through the decades that this is a very safe hobby and has never been a threat to anyone. Many thanks Bruce for sharing this wonderful video of the TRUTH.

Thanks Bruce for the update on this regulations. Sounds a lot to me that the linchpin comes down to having a RID device working on your model. Demanding that people spend money and junp through all their absurd hoops to comply is a plan doomed to fail. We will all go enjoy our hobby as we have for decades and they can do their worst and lets see how this all works out in the courts if it actually got that far.

Thanks for your video's great help I have a friend who's wife worked for the CAA for awhile she said nothing was done with the original registration and most police here in the UK have no idea about it. Harry

In Germany they try to work with a voluntary app. Still☝️ "In this application, long-term voluntariness is to be seen as the most important prerequisite for the highest possible level of acceptance." That's what they write on their website. We will see 😉in the future.

How I loved the 80’s, where I flew my Robbe Parat up till it was just a blip in the sky. When my 4cc engine ran out of juice, I trimmed it for an optimal glide slope, lay down in the grass and gently guided it down. Longest flight was about 45 minutes. Happy times, really. It must have weighed about 1 kilogram. The Hawk(special order from England) 10 cc was about 3,5 kilos. I never had any accidents. Perhaps I should turn to a joint when I want to get high. Or join a war, I don’t think these operators have remote ID. Indeed, regulation is killing our hobby. How will we be able to have creative invention when we’re ruled by burocracy?

1984 Mr. O was right. Just like Mr. X is right 👍👍

I just mounted the “No Effing RID Module” on all my drones. Cost is free, draws zero current from the drone battery, and the module weighs a mere 0.0 grams. Works like a charm!

Happy New Year to everyone, and all the best for this channel, also thanks to all the work you do for us all. Cheers.

👍👍 Bruce - It's not just Western countries that are regulating our beloved hobby into the ground, the former Land of Smiles also has draconian rules. If anyone gets caught flying any unregistered UAV, even toy or hobby category, the minimum fine is 100,000 Thai baht (~$3000 USD) ...AND... the threat of 1 year in jail! Any RC flying thingee that has a camera, must be registered, no matter how nano-tiny. And the registration process is a nightmare here in post-2014-illegal-military-coup 'paradise' where that general's rabid anti-technology paranoia and superstition has filtered down and spread like a cancer throughout every government agency here. Hopefully the recently 'unelected' PM will undo some of the former Kim Jong-Un wannabe's damage, but I doubt it. And I've mentioned this before, IMO the FAA is the worst of the worst, because it obviously intends to completely smother our beloved hobby out of existence to make way for lucrative corporate drone traffic that must not be infringed upon by pesky children of all ages enjoying their flying toys in vacant fields and lots. Considering that sad realization, I truly believe that Americans taking a stand against FEDERAL over regulation is simply tilting at windmills as we Americans simply no longer have a voice in government. Anyway, we all appreciate your efforts Bruce. Happy New Year buddy!

Unfortunately, I'm afraid they don't know enough to know that they're going to destroy both the commercial and recreational side of things. It is getting ridiculous.

I refuse to pay to fly my airplane through remote ID. I pay enough in taxes and for the planes themselves

Only commercial drones(Amazon etc.) should be regulated. They are dangerous by weight alone.

Keep on fighting Bruce, I'm with you. Everything is closing in more and more. Wish you a Happy New Year 🙂

Just remember. You have a right to face your accuser in court. And if it's a machine, it can not and will not, show up for said court date. Thus dismissing the case. NEVER, pay the fine as it admits guilt!

why arent they doing this with cars? drivers are far more dangerous than drone pilots.

Many thanks Bruce! Regarding UK government data protection, Wikipedia lists previous major data loses from government departments - usually lost unencrypted usb sticks! Page named, "List of UK government data losses"! Seems to me that we might have a £100m drone database system which is populated with no data! (My antenna fell off during take off!!!😜)

They can come up with as many regulations as they want. People will just bypass any arming & takeoff tokens, restrictions, etc. And other hobbyist will just not comply and add this non-sense to their craft and therefor will never comply. Further, if some ill-witted person has malicious intent, they will simply not put a remote-ID module on the drone. So all these regulations just cost tax-payer money, that could be spend otherwise in a more useful way. Amazing how the developed world finds more and more ways to slow innovation and progress through silly regulations, giving other countries a good chance to catch-up and overtake. Sickening, simply sickening. Spend the money on the conversion from fossil fuels to renewables, be better for everyone. Thanks Bruce! Love your videos. Keep chugging mate. You are a true legend! 👍👍

You are spot on with everything that you said, I just hope that enough people will take up the fight..

Wishing all pilots a wonderful 2024 of non-compliance. Be polite, but stand your ground and do NOT give an INCH to any of these tyrants pushing their ridiculous drone laws. Remember, the moment that you sign up and get licensed is the moment that you AGREE to all the new laws. Just say NO and go FLY!

Reminds me of CB licences years back in the UK - from what I remember not so many folks bothered

They "don't understand"? I beg to differ. Guaranteed this is by design and intended to do exactly what you're describing.

Hi Bruce Thanks for your efforts to save the hobby. You have inspired me to actually do something and have responded to the CAA's questionnaire on their proposals. It is long and complicated, much to difficult old bugger like me. However the BMFA have come to the rescue with a suitable set responses which I have copied and pasted into the questionnaire. I am encouraging all my club members to do the same. Bob Hill

Bruce - an industrial design instructor professor once told me. “.. make sidewalks square so they are easy to build BUT prepare to live with mud puddles where people actually walk…”

Wonder how long it will be before they want remote ID on my guns, and they thought my airplanes were a threat.

It will be steamrollered through in the UK. Matters very little what BMFA etc do. Big corporates easily out spend the model industry. I said 5 years ago, the RC flying hobby will be dead in 10 years. I stand by that.

I never registered and never will, the word is NO. Non compliance is the only way.

As a UK model flyer I couldn't agree more. I am a member of the BMFA and I have a CAA registration and I really think that the over regulation of the flying of model aircraft is just crazy. I can see it killing the hobby because of the apathetic attitudes of most model flyers and the complicity of the BMFA

According to cross country drives by Geoff Buys Cars, the network is full of holes. Even along major Motorways.

Our local sheriff gets a budget increase every year - even when other depts don't. So our sheriffs are riding through our dusty old city in brand new shiny cars - every year. The sheriff just raises a fear campaign prior to the budget vote. Like what the FAA is doing. It's almost impossible to fight - people listen to their fear. Over just about everything else. Need to scare people in the other direction - if we don't have drone savvy civilians in our population, we'll lose our next war. Use Ukraine's drone battle against the Russian army and navy for examples.

Bruce thanks for the video you have put on the internet, I hope someone pays attention 😮

To date the birds are a far bigger safety threat to aviators and thus the public riding as passengers or on the ground than all of the UAVs have been.

I canada a basic ultralight with a weight up to 1200 lb has NO remote I’d can carry up to two people and fly almost anywhere!!!!! How does that compare to a 250 gram airplane? INSANE

The problem is what they class as drones, dji drone, whoop drone, dlg drone, 1/8th scale turbine jet drone. What needs to be done is to separate the DJI style drones from others as it is they and their inexperienced users that have caused the most problems not whoops not RC aircraft. But of course they won't listen to us even though they say they do....

It is illegal to drive over the posted speed limit where I live... I must admit that I occasionally drive a bit over the limit at times.. Still have not had an accident in +30 years...

When I buzz the tower at Gatwick, I always ensure remote ID is fully functioning…. Because I have had my brain removed prior to flight.

Having worked in various enforcement bodies in the UK I cannot help think that flying a small foam plane over 250g in a field meets the threshold for being prosecuted as its clearly not in the public interest and this is one criteria that must be met. I would seriously batter the CAA with that in that in the case of an attempted enforcement action.

Two possible outcomes: either everyone gives up or hacks and ignore the laws if away from people.

Hi Bruce, Just watched your video. Brilliant and totally true. Well, what we all do about it here in the UK? Now there is the question!! Cheers.😉😉

Hi Bruce, Great video and information about the CAA. How far will our government go to stop people from flying a toy. Since the first time I stuck a KODAK 110 camera on the bottom of my Kadet Sr. I have wanted a video and see where I'm flying. Now that we can fly with a FPV system. Our government wants to take over our Hobby and stop us from flying anyplace.

Great Video very worried. I'm responding back this week to the CAA consultation. I have to finish reading the documents yet. I going to try and get in touch with Vernon Kay. A fellow modeller and Radio 2 DJ (UK's biggest radio channel) .

I completed the CAA consultation. The exercise is very poor and has little evidence of the need for RID. Public bodies need to undertake an Equalities Impact Assessment to show policies do not unfairly discriminate. RID discriminates against people on a low income as the costs linked to this will be a pay wall. We should insist that CAA publish the EIA and get them to justify the unfairness of this.

lucky children can often get away with just not knowing

Bruce ,I think before that ten years time we speak about, and all those commercial big business delivery and transport drones are just in their testing stages and start falling out of the sky’s. The FAA ,CAA and all those other agencies are going to say what have we gotten ourselves in too. Plus the public outcry over the losses they are going to wish they just left our little safe hobby alone.

I’ll be writing to the CAA here in the UK. I’ll let you know what happens.

The issue is not over-regulating drones but holding the government accountable for the millions they waste to implement their stupid regulations! EVERYONE (not just a few drone owners) who is taxed should have a say in how that money is spent! You highlight the fact that ALL flight data is collected and accessible. If the government needs money, they simply sort the data by attitude and fine pilots for any flights above 400ft! That is a huge cash cow!

What astounds me is that you do not hear much from the company's that make and sell RC planes or Multi Rotors. Have they given up? Don't they want to fight and lobby for their survival? Why don't they combine and put out some public awareness campaign's in the main stream media to educate the public that the bureaucrats are killing this safe hobby. Many people I speak to don't know this is happening and feel it is an overreach. These hobby manufacturers and stores will have to change to selling RC cars and Boats and many of them will go out of business.

For the UMPTEENTH time, as could have been EASILY determined (as I DID) during the hype over the 2015 Christmas Drone Apocalypse in the US (which, of course, never materialized) by researching online what they were ACTUALLY worried about, "the ridiculous over-regulation" is a cover their arses attempt ("But, we did everything we could!) to prevent the INTENTIONAL misuse of cheap FPV drones, that misuse being displayed in droves in various modern military conflicts. Pointing out that RC aircraft are perfectly safe when not intentionally used as guided weapons ENTIRELY misses the point.

Hi, really enjoyed both videos. My only point is whether we should be making a distinction between hobbyists and 'others' By fracturing the the use of drones into different subsections I fear you may weaken support. I have seen this first hand in the UK when the Govt seeks to restrict something and all the various users jump into their respective camps and the weakened resistance is crushed by the legislation. I don't fly as a hobby but as a commercial operator.

Keep up the good fight. Reading between the line of the latest BMFA edicts, it would seem that all RC flying from UK gardens, fields, even private grass airstrips are to be sacrificed and CAA approved BMFA affiliated 'Club' sites promoted. Many flier groups in the SW of UK number 10 or fewer members and they look like losing out also. A slow resistance is gradually growing, but how effective it will be awaits to be seen.

I have a really nice budget 270 grams drone. I'm now walking to the dust bin. I had a really nice budget 270 grams drone.

Merry Christmas, Happy Flying

The UK governmental control and over reach extends far and wide. EV smart charges call home and ask.... Can we charge this? They already have EV legislation ready to go that says... Only OEMs can change the spec of the car. All sorts of heating will soon become illegal to use. We have lost so many freedoms in the UK in the last 20 years. Its the slow boiling frog. Bit by bit.. Its getting warmer.

Just before "Drones",... there was a burgeoning business in aerial photography . R/c heli's were being used to take pictures and film for gladly paying customers, and big screen filmmakers, real estate agents, -anyone who needed an aerial shot. . It was far cheaper than having to hire a real heli pilot and copter,which would cost thousands of $$. Now every man and his dog can do it - for a small investment. This has put those businesses on a back foot in regards to potential income. Businesses making income pay taxes. Hobbyists, drone pilots /operators dont have to charge hire anyone you can do it for your self . See the problem? Thats maybe ONE of the reasons they want us gone or force us to pay one way or another for the lack of taxes we generate by not getting a "professional" tax paying drone operator to do it for us!. Thats right , the Govts just want us to pay one way or another , for getting our own free shots. The "powers that be" want to tax you for having an aerial camera.

Great vid, thanks Bruce. Any update on the ADS-B alert device? Not a nag, I just want one!

This is more evidence lawmakers have no understanding of what they regulate.

I have been flying model aircraft since I was a young boy, and now as an 86-year-old, I shall carry on as before. Regulations, what regulations?......

There is a control tower for sale on Barnstormers. Might cost a lot to ship from Texas to tokorora

I'm in the USA. Today's laws will only get revised to worse laws. I haven't bought a remote ID module because I know that the current laws are only temporary and experimental. If I cave in and spend a hundred dollars, it will shortly be made obsolete. This hobby is hard enough to keep up with all the new technology. The other thing that bothers me is that registration leads to confiscation or imprisonment. Is it really worth it? You really need to count the costs.

All this requires compliance Bruce. So once again does not protect against the obvious threat.

excellent! And how safe are commercial drones, "air taxis" & "flying cars"? Those vehicles aren't safe at all and what about the environment? We got still birds, bats and insects and nobody can actually want a sky full of heavy drones and other big vehicles flying below 400 ft over their property and family.

Unfortunately, I can't say I'm surprised, Bruce. That's why governments need to have limitations, even on what they can regulate! And we don't have it. So, honestly, I don't even know how to fight it. The only thing I've seen working is when people just ignored the law and it ended up not being enforced... But it's not exactly our case, is it? Anyway, let's see what happens. But, either way, that's why I bought a cheap rc car and 4 oil shocks to fit in it to do FPV. 😕 Anyway... Happy new year! And stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

Well said Bruce, after flying for over 60 years I think I am losing the will to enjoy the hobby because of the forthcoming regulations you have kindly highlighted. ……

Here in the UK I am aware that one of the two clubs available to me has seemingly closed. I used to belong to it 12 years back and it had a membership well in excess of 50. The other club with a similar membership seems very quite on it's FB page. Although you may think the membership numbers are low this is a very sparsely populated part of the UK. I gave up several years back as I could see the writing on the wall way before that and I've been aero modelling since 1956. This is but a very small part of the overall plan of total control, impoverishment and subjugation of humanity. I've never worn a tin foil hat. Look around you and see the bigger picture (they don't want us to have cars and personal mobility/freedom but to live in smart cities/ 15 min zones etc We've already got this in the UK). Just thought I'd add that I don't have a 'smart phone' (they identify, track and trace you even when TURNED OFF) so I and many others will be excluded from the hobby.

People NEED to SEE this!

It used to be said that driving a car was the quickest way of getting on the wrong side of the law, but lately, I think flying a model aircraft of any sort has overtaken it.

I'm enjoying your advocate work. Question: I'm a US-based, FAA-licensed drone pilot with properly registered drones (a Mini 4 Pro with both regular and plus batteries, and an Avata). If I come to the UK, what do I have to do to fly legally?

When the cost goes up beyond worth fpv will retrograde back to 2014 fpv. 2nd hand batteries and motors harvested from broken electronics with 3d printed parts..

4 million pounds is needed because the government is totally inept at everything. Even at paying someone to do a task for them. When you look out the window you make remarks if you even see a full size aircraft. People probably will not see delivery drones when they are fully operational.

Will watch in a bit, sent you an email that really concerns me ref disinformation and sales scare tactics...

Regardless of this ludicrous rule being pushed through, I still can't see many people implementing this. They will just fly illegally in the middle of nowhere and have a cheeky couple of flights.

I've just filled in and sent the CAA consultation form. I've also emailed the BMFA and given them a "rocket" for not adequately protecting the hobby. Probably will get chucked out of both now LOL!

I never updated from my original mavic. I never registered. Not will I. I may still fly occasionally, but once this done dies, that will be it for me. You cannot fight against this stuff. The consultation is, as you say, a box ticking exercise. I found this after partaking in one a few years ago. The results that they tried to hide, showed a 98%. Against, feeling... But they went ahead with the project anyway. It's a shame, but it's not worth it for me...

Multiply this story by every country. I can see CASA Australia is heading this way already. I have been safely flying model aircraft for 50 years without any of this. Government agencies like this ARE killing our hobby, worldwide. No question.

Yeah, I’m going to get out of the hobby. “ live free or die “ has definitely turned into “ the government knows what’s best for me”

It’s got to be a case of ask a friendly farmer if you can fly over their land. Private vast space. No need for remote id tech or having to fork out money for flying the same craft.🤷‍♂️

Say goodbye to "Hobby" drones! If you are allowed to actually fly, you will be required to complete a training course and licensing similar to a private pilot.

PURE FEARMONGERING!!

Part of governments data hoarding, even of encrypted data is because once quantum computing is more developed that encryption means nothing. Every bit of stored data can be tagged with a person, time, place and what they were doing then all of those can be overlaid for a map of every life tracked

This really isn’t about so called safety anymore is it?….especially regarding sub 250 with a camera ….🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

"OK, these radio controlled toy whirligig things are dangerous. They can carry too much kinetic energy so could really hurt someone...... So, in case there's an incident we need to setup a registration system and make sure we can identify anyone who might be using one of them". "How do we do that, sir?" "Make them fit extra stuff to their models that can transmit info about who and where the person flying it is". "Erm, won't that make the model HEAVIER sir? And wouldn't that mean they'd be carrying MORE kinetic energy?" "ARE YOU QUESTIONING MY DECISIONS? ..... Hmm?...... Thought not, now go make it happen"

Bruce, the CAA U.K. keep on citing security issues. It’s not part of their remit. We have various security services/ agencies who deal with security. The only security the CAA should be dealing with is the security of their own computer systems. Tis a load of bollocks to be honest. If introduced, then me as a drone flier is actually going to be less secure as any criminal type could download an app on their phone, locate me and come and take my expensive equipment off me. Will I have a case against the CAA for loss/ damages should this happen ?

I don't fly like a lunatic or disobey flight rules, but this whole idea that the Hobby will die is a bunch of nonsense. Remote ID is a bunch of nonsense. It's Drama, Much Ado about nothing. The lawmakers can put out as many laws as they want. People ultimately decide how they want to fly. There's nothing a politician or lawmaker can do about it, and in reality no one really cares. Enforcement of it is a joke. There's only a threat to the Hobby if the hobbyists' surrender.

From Australia. Been flying rc planes helis and these days mainly drones for about 12 years. Im retired and besides watching the endless supply of light aircraft crash videos flying drones (we need a less negative name) is my main interest and one of the few things that gets me out of the house. Plus we have Parks Victoria make regulations to outlaw all drones. I have just about given up (big cheer from CASA). It is non worth the stress.

There's been local protests near me about the errection of some new housing estates. I've been warning of this for years and *nobody* would listen. And now it's too late. I really hope we can push back the tide on this but my experience has been, like in the above that people *will not* take action until it's too late. And then they'll claim ignorance. You get what you vote for - deal with it.

I don’t know why the CAA keep harping on about “security “ It’s surely not part of their remit ? I’m sure that here in the U.K. we have various other organisations that deal with “security” Ive asked in the consultation “What security risks do drones pose ? Please publish these “security risks” or at least some examples of these risks.

I wonder if the local and federal regulators can get the power to interfere with the 2.4 ghz radio band so my transmitter won't be able to connect to my receiver,that the only way they can stop us.Without a 2.4 ghz radio signal and a fully charged lipo battery,my plane won't go anywhere.

one of your best speeches the research and delivery

Well, after 3hrs filling in the consultation document (including reading the relevant sections of the CAA document) I was not too surprised to find a few loaded questions regarding security and RID, very easy to inadvertantly agree with it. Clearly, the whole Remote Identity aspect is a done deal, as said by many people, the first consultation was ignored and both it and this second 'consultation' a box ticking exercise. Why do they refer to it as a consultation as the very definition of the word does not apply? None Compliance will be the only way forward! I found it amusing that RID will also be required for Control Line Models (tethered flight) I hate George Orwell, he wrote a Fiction current Western Governments see as a Manual for the way forward in Governing the Populace

Here in sweden we modelflyers have to have 1 registration number now that we have to pay 135 SEK per year to goverment and we have to put the rgistraton number visuable on each model airplane or a drone anything that flyes thanks to this "idiotisy"..... its sad , i can only hope that al this s@#it will be removed soon. Best wishes and happy flying 2024 from Sweden

So basicly if someone hacks our stuff through their backdoor.... what are we supposed to do about it? If a car can be remote hacked, it is a weapon, if drones have never killed anyone..... how is this going to make it safer?

Funny how the book that Bruce cites at the start of the video touches this exact subject. The protagonist asks someone what the best recreational activity would be, and the answer is "whatever needs the most complicated and costly gadgets, so that the most contribution to the economy is achieved". Well, at that time, Internet wasn't a thing yet, and today's answer would probably also mention that those costly gadgets should enable a trackable online presence mandated by the almighty Ford. Which is exactly what those Remote ID modules with cellular data plans and GPS modules are.

A natural disaster may take down cellular system preventing drone use for SAR purposes. No end of unintended consequences.