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Should the INTJ have Kids? 

Ghost of Jung
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#intj #introvert #parenting
Why don't more INTJs decide to have kids? Can we explore this from a Type perspective? Also, do we not owe it to the world to try and create more possible INTJs??
My guess is that our Ni tells us that kids are too much Se and we choose to not follow that path because we can't imagine living in a world that is so reactionary.

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@otakumomma2196
@otakumomma2196 Год назад
I'm not super old or anything, but I have daughters and I am an INTJ. I agree with what you said about how our NI looks into our potential future with or without children (amongst other concerns). As young as 4 yrs old,, my NI had me envisioning the future very far ahead of my life lol like the last humans before the sun explodes (girl, I had no SE connection with anything yet, can't you tell?) But I had seen this future where I was worried about the future generations and their survival. I always knew that I would have children. What I actually was concerned about was finding a true mate for life (Pretty Valid concern) The biggest issue was that as a child I thought children sucked and were generally too childish on many matters and didn't know how to really just live. My Scrooge-ish mentality towards youth did not mean I wanted to be an older person specifically, but I kinda just wanted to be old enough to not have to be in school or associate myself with the majority. These "feelings" or whatever lasted until I was about 18 in which I felt my maternal clock go off one day. I also started to realize truly, not just through biology and health classes that kids grow into adults. Yes. Seriously. Before it was a magical thing but I had really started to understand through interacting with children more that if I disliked an adult for being an asshole or what not, there was something happening in childhood that could have solidified his or her asshole-itry. Fast forward to today, I have 2 beautiful girls and I cringe when I hear that people don't want kids in the numbers I hear nowadays. Before I was the weird one who was known to probably never have or want kids (without telling everyone too). Now I am like an advocate for children. 😅 They are quite awesome but you can't overlook all of the issues that comes with it. It is no walk in the park, but the pride is pretty dope. I feel like I'm supplying humanity with some awesome humans. The eldest is an ENTP and my youngest is an ESFJ. I've learned way more than I could have imagined and will continue to do so. I would live to open an Orphanage someday...maybe make it like in Death Note, we never really know lmaooooo Wow typical INTJ fashion...comment long af 😂😊
@GhostofJung
@GhostofJung Год назад
Awwww I love to hear that your mindset changed! That's special. It's no walk in the park indeed! Often it's a grueling endeavour.
@ENFPerspectives
@ENFPerspectives Год назад
Parenting is a choice to put selfishness aside. I experienced loss of self; it becomes a reward when done well. You get back multifold what you invest. Reading about psycho-social developement, watching for it, testing it, seeing it, enjoying the beauty of it, and lastly, seeing it repeat through offspring is so satisfying. ♡
@WJT225
@WJT225 Год назад
As an INTJ who has known I had no desire to become a parent since I was a child myself, I can say that it's a vast amount of reasons. You are onto something with part of one reason being the Se domination of my world, but I can also say that there is nothing about what is proclaimed as the "joys of parenthood" that appeals to me. Much of the moments and aspects that appeals to others, I say it's great for them but even those parts marked as a positive don't appeal to me even in the slightest. The downsides of parenthood (ie, cost, responsibility, and many more) just make parenthood extremely unappealing. As an adult I am working to build a life for myself and a potential partner for us to enjoy, and I don't want to throw that into disarray with a child that forces us to completely rework our lives to bend to it. Also my Ni tells me that with the direction that the world is going, I personally can't feel good about creating an innocent life without its consent and making it exist in a world that might keep getting worse and worse. I also don't feel I owe it to the world, or anyone in particular, to create a baby or raise an entire human being from birth to adulthood. Even if type is passed down genetically, I certainly don't think there's a responsibility to produce more of us. Also as far as passing things down goes, without getting into specifics there are a lot of genetic related things that I certainly wouldn't want to pass down to a child, and likely other emotional issues that could affect how I parent a child regardless. Lastly, I honestly just don't like being around kids at all, in almost any age or stage of their lives. It's not that I hate kids, but that there is little to no enjoyment or benefit I find in spending an extended period of time around them (going back to your earlier point about the overwhelming Se). Even if I thought I would be an amazing parent, along with a partner who would also be amazing, I still would have no desire to raise a child. None of this is to say that becoming a parent is a terrible mistake by any means, as for many people who want to become parents it is the right choice, it just simply isn't the right choice for me.
@GhostofJung
@GhostofJung Год назад
I think what you've said is perfectly in line with what many INTJs would say. The only place I disagree is that to believe the world is worse than it's ever been or that is inevitably headed to a dark place is an easy copout
@WJT225
@WJT225 Год назад
@@GhostofJung I think to portray the idea of someone choosing not to have children due to a worry of the world becoming worse over time as a copout seems unfair. Even if the world is likely to improve, there are still many things going on, and trends still continuing today with projections onward that can lead many to justifiably believe that the world their (potential) children will live in will be worse than the current world or the one they themselves grew up in. Also (and this may be a misinterpretation on my part, so apologies if this is the case) the term copout also seems unfair to me because it seems to rest on a presumption that even if the world was improving we have an individual duty or moral obligation to reproduce.
@Xereszone
@Xereszone Год назад
30 years old, single, and have no plans of having kids also because of genetics. As eldest and guardian to my neurodivergent sister, I'm holding on for dear life this is when my mental health hit rock bottom. I don't want to risk passing on my kids that struggle.
@breemds
@breemds 11 месяцев назад
As an INTJ I used to want kiddos then I realized I could be my own kid!
@user-yj6bx7md5l
@user-yj6bx7md5l Год назад
I’m a female INTJ living in Korea. I am a person as an INTJ who needs a lot of lone time to myself, reading, studying, working out, doing my hobbies, and etc. I have an experience to take care of my mother when she had cancer. I actually did a good job and she recovered well. But even then, I used to go to the cafe at the hospital to refresh myself from time to time. Will this be possible though when you become a mother? I value financial independence and believe women should have a job to have a sustainable dignity no matter what happens in life. It is extremely difficult to have a career once you have a child in Korea and it feels like a death sentence to myself. I’ve contemplated on this option throughout my 20s and 30s pretty much daily and am still not attracted to have it. But from my experience of caregiving, INTJs can be extremely caring and loyal to that special few people. Once we are determined to give love and care to the specific person or a baby, they’ll do it great.
@GhostofJung
@GhostofJung Год назад
Thank you for sharing that. Must have been a difficult time for you. And yes, if we won't commit 100%, it's not going to happen. I think that's the advice that should be given -- don't go casually into something like having kids
@carolmartha8449
@carolmartha8449 8 месяцев назад
Im an intj with entp ,i dont feel so drawn to that noise and chaos ,im an obgyn with a lot if hobbies, now in my 40s getting a surrogate as pregnancy puts a strain on the human body which i cant deal with and i dont want to have dilated cardiomyopathy
@RetroXRicardo
@RetroXRicardo Год назад
An interesting take on this INTJ type for parenting! Thanks for sharing to inspire my MBTI channel. Randomly discovered your channel through the RU-vid algorithm! 🤟🤟🤟
@GhostofJung
@GhostofJung Год назад
the youtube gods have smiled upon me! Thanks for commenting!
@JO-iv7tl
@JO-iv7tl Год назад
Type isn't directly passed on. It's more of a categorical change of existing materials. In my case I'm an alteration of my mom's personality. The reason INTJ is rare is because there never was a need for very many of us.
@GhostofJung
@GhostofJung Год назад
hmmmmmmmmmmm that is great thought! Anthropolgically speaking there wasn't a need for us... that is a very hot take.
@grit1679
@grit1679 7 месяцев назад
@@GhostofJung Not no need--a need for not many. Society doesn't need that many architects.
@user-bm4dc5id1d
@user-bm4dc5id1d Год назад
I never wanted to (as you know) until Ryan. It scares TF out of me as an INTJ. Seeing you do it makes me feel better :) interesting take on “an SE world” that makes sense. I am super motherly to my animals, but I also feel i am really selfish with my time. I don’t want to end up regretting having a kid and being one of those parents that hates their life. However our partner has a lot to do with that, which me and you won in that light with our partners. Ya that too many alternatives kills me haha even though we are so good at sifting through things and picking the best avenue compared to other types…still annoying haha. Conserving energy toward what is needed is something we are great at, and I think THAT is what scares me - all my energy will go toward a kid because I need to keep them alive haha and then other things are gonna go to the wayside. But you are right, we gotta make space so knowing this ahead of time will be good for me. You know ill be hitting you up when time comes haha
@kittywalker2944
@kittywalker2944 Год назад
Only if they can afford a nanny - I’m half kidding and partly completely serious.
@GhostofJung
@GhostofJung Год назад
We have one -- trust me 😂
@sexytechreviews_
@sexytechreviews_ Год назад
@@GhostofJung I almost silly for writing that. But I'm disabled too, so yeah no kids without nannies and buffers. And I don't mean future theoretical husband's relatives watching the imaginary kids. Full on trained and serious nannies.
@helenshianimation7567
@helenshianimation7567 8 месяцев назад
Lots of people don't want kids nowadays, no matter what your type is.
@GhostofJung
@GhostofJung 8 месяцев назад
Why do you think nowadays more than before?
@helenshianimation7567
@helenshianimation7567 8 месяцев назад
@GhostofJung because in the past it was thought to be a morally right thing to get married and have kids which shows that you have responsibility, but nowadays even though some countries are trying to increase their birth rate, overpopulation is not good for the world as a whole, China has been controlling their population for a long time, but some other countries that are overpopulated cannot take any actions, I would say that adopting a child actually contributes to society, but having your own children might not, and nowadays there are many options, people without kids can find other ways to contribute to their communities and society
@JO-iv7tl
@JO-iv7tl Год назад
When I forced myself to put deep thought into the question why I don't have kids. The answer became it's not up to me at all. It's up to the woman at every step. It's completely outside what I can control and therefore is a waste of time to contemplate any further. That being said I did adopt my nephew for 5 years. He says I was a good father and others say I did help him I still stand by my original answer and am unswayed.(nephew was an ESFP)
@RobynLeigh111
@RobynLeigh111 Год назад
Im an INTJ mother. I never felt clucky nor have had a natural desire to be a mother, but due to logic, i worked out that being a mother would be the best way to change the world. Think about it, if you want to change the world, have heaps of kids and raise them well. Teach them to pay this concept forward. Give it a few generations... And BOOM! World changed... For the better ..i hope😅
@_PanchoVilla
@_PanchoVilla 11 месяцев назад
"we're not here to change the world but to leave it as it is"
@RobynLeigh111
@RobynLeigh111 11 месяцев назад
@@_PanchoVilla each to their own
@_PanchoVilla
@_PanchoVilla 11 месяцев назад
@@RobynLeigh111 you're not an INTJ talking like this
@RobynLeigh111
@RobynLeigh111 11 месяцев назад
@@_PanchoVilla 😆😂😂😂
@_PanchoVilla
@_PanchoVilla 11 месяцев назад
@@RobynLeigh111 yes! Those are the emojis I had in mind when I read your original comment about your superhero babies.
@Elodie_N_INTJ_Analyzes
@Elodie_N_INTJ_Analyzes Год назад
It's possible INTJ are most prone to not wanting kids. I never felt this desire. But my mind may change change in the future if I find a person I really love and if he really want a kid. It's a big responsibility to take care of another living being/vulnerable creature. I want to be sure to have all the ressources: a stable situation, home with enough space, money. Also the genetic : there is high chance the child will have neurological conditions, like me and my future partner. Which implies diagnostics and potentially struggles at school with other children and people in life in general. I don't want to create a living being who will may be suffer. I am also a girl, which implies to have a lots of medical appointments, and weird experiences my the body. I wish to be a seahorse for that ^^. I like children, they are cute, they instant like me, I have weird connection with them which make me smile. My nervous system can't stand too much Se, I am quickly overwhelmed when a baby cry, which is very sad. Even if I think I would be an adorable parent, and that I am curious to see the combination of myself and my future partner in the baby/kid, the magic of life. I don't know if having a kid will make me more happy. First I want to love and take care of another INTJ, I will see if my mind change in the future. There are persons who prefer have kids, and persons who don't prefer have kids, the more important is to be happy with or without children. I knew an INTJ (43+ years old) at a job, he is very happy with her partner, both don't want children, which is perfect for them. I know another INTJ who want to have many kids.
@friendlyanomaly6109
@friendlyanomaly6109 Год назад
What kind of genetic issues are we talking about here? I don't think that INTJness is a sickness if those are along the lines of your reasoning.
@GhostofJung
@GhostofJung Год назад
Besides the genetic component,I see your points as reasonable. Not sure mental issues would carry over
@Elodie_N_INTJ_Analyzes
@Elodie_N_INTJ_Analyzes Год назад
@@friendlyanomaly6109 Every INTJ is different, even if we have the same type brain, if we add the giftedness (high intellectual potential), Asperger (which include sensory processing disorder) and maybe ADHD, the relation with he world is different (perception, decision, functioning). Function very well on itself, but function too differently from how the society and majority of people function.
@stu6097
@stu6097 Год назад
In a way you may have answered your own question in another video where you talked about INTJs not motivated by money. Kids are expensive. If you know in your heart as INTJ you are not motivated by money which is required to raise kids you know in your heart it would not be wise financially to take on the burden. Thats one of my takes I why I never had kids. -INTJ
@GhostofJung
@GhostofJung Год назад
Yes good memory, and I do still believe that. Not being motivated by money doesn't negate the fact that INTJs can make money easily. Your point is still valid.
@YinYangPanda
@YinYangPanda Год назад
Here is a truth about the life of an INTJ: We don’t appreciate our surroundings at the time we exist through them. Only years later do we look back and realize our focus at the time, though it felt right, becomes a regret later on in life. This is a tragedy of the INTJ. Is life easier without kids? Yes. Is it ultimately as fulfilling? No. This doesn’t mean the INTJ who focused on themselves won’t be happy. Just that they likely won’t be _as_ happy as they could have been. But what we don’t know, we don’t know, correct? ps I have a thing for nostalgia, personally.
@GhostofJung
@GhostofJung Год назад
"We don’t appreciate our surroundings at the time we exist through them." this is so true and its actually painful to read these words. I'm very nostalgic too, that must be the full circle Ni - Si loop.
@_PanchoVilla
@_PanchoVilla 11 месяцев назад
What compelled you to make a mbti username? Is that all you are-an INTJ?
@YinYangPanda
@YinYangPanda 11 месяцев назад
@@_PanchoVilla This is just one of a few accounts I have for RU-vid. It was supposed to be mainly for MBTI related videos but I stray. Lol A username is usually based off of things that we relate to. And usually it’s not so superficial. There is always depth to what we choose to go by. Take your own username for example (even if that happens to be your real name).😉
@_PanchoVilla
@_PanchoVilla 11 месяцев назад
@@YinYangPanda no, it's a Mexican war revolutionist. I changed my username after a month or so. I'll be a female again next time. I was genuinely curious why people put estoretic labels on themselves (something as innocuous as a sports team.) As if they are extremely devoted to the cause or is this all they do and think.
@YinYangPanda
@YinYangPanda 11 месяцев назад
@@_PanchoVilla I can appreciate the curiosity. Personally, I relate to the traits and descriptions of an INTJ very much. Being an outlier, finding commonality makes existence a little less lonely. We all want to belong somewhere whether we admit this openly and or to ourselves or not. Sports, eh, not a sports guy but I understand your correlation. 😊
@siryoucantdothat9743
@siryoucantdothat9743 Год назад
Futility of the world and things are going down the shit and also kids are another layer of stress on top of things so its very rational to not have them
@GhostofJung
@GhostofJung Год назад
Well thank goodness an irrational person birthed you 😇
@shanagarrett7666
@shanagarrett7666 Год назад
Oh yea, smaller workforce and older population…very rational option. Great for economic productivity and per capita income growth. 👌 So glad there’s such a smart person in the chat like you! 😂
@friendlyanomaly6109
@friendlyanomaly6109 Год назад
The fact that the world is going to shit is one of the best reasons to have kids. Imo.
@GhostofJung
@GhostofJung Год назад
Elaborate!
@friendlyanomaly6109
@friendlyanomaly6109 Год назад
@@GhostofJung It's a little bit difficult to articulate, but I know all the moving parts of my reasoning behind it. The short version is: "if the world is going to shit and you don't like it, then the best way of counteracting that is to train yourself become a metaphorical soldier who fights against the bullshit and to recruit people who are living right now to fight with you and or join others who are currently fighting the good fight, and to have spiritual predecessors in the form of children whom you can influence to become "soldiers" like yourself so that they can fight in the everlasting war against bullshit that humanity has been fighting since the dawn of our species." I think there are more reasons as well, but I don't wanna write a wall of text. Lol.
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