Should the NFL be concerned about their lack of black head coaches? I NFL I SPEAK FOR YOURSELF 

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This is easily one of the best back and forth conversations i've ever heard in sports media. Thank you gentlemen for being nuanced, principled, and respectful. I hope everyone realizes that when arguments occur in good faith, we all are better for the exchange. Thank you for intentionally delivering the show in this manner. Sensationalism isn't the only way to deliver ratings.

“He got fired already?!” When Acho put the grey chip back in the bowl had me dying 🤣🤣🤣🤣

The method of discussion is the important part here. Neither one of them close their mind off as they go through these ideas together. That is how you bridge gaps. Not to point fingers but to go through information together

Man great conversation between you both. 🙏🏼

Wiley is on point. It's not about equality, because nothing in life is equal.

This entire show could've been devoted to this topic. Great discussion

As they said, this is a very complex question and even more complicated answer. I think these two are the only analyst who keep it 100% real and hit every point. Awesome segment.

This was best segment ive seen on the subject by far.. Wiley sliced Acho up . .way better than hearing all these other black men cry on TV over last 2 days. It's embarrassing as a black man

Im Mexican and want more Mexican coaches. How many asian coaches are there? And Italian coaches? Middle Eastern? French? German?? Oh yea when Is Puerto Rican history month? Or Scotland coaches???? Not everyone in usa is either white or black yet you don't see the other races crying like females that they aren't included

I think a coach needs at least 3 years to prove that he can turn a franchise around unless there comes up something that forces the franchise to fire him ie Meyer's actions. The other problem is these Franchise hire retreads that have proven they can't win at another franchise and this goes across the board NFL,MLB and the NBA

Great conversation! The issue IMO is the NFL/College keeps recycling these same bum head coaches. How are you going to get diversity if the same 7 coaches who were fired end up replacing each other and maybe you get 1 new fresh face. Im all for second chances, but come on now get some fresh faces in the mix.

Why does Acho have to try and find racism in everything. If you have to look through a magnifying glass and dig around searching for hours then there’s probably none. It’s all about winning in the NFL so I can guarantee that owners hire the best man for the job. Why does everyone seem to try to make racism out of nothing nowadays. Wiley is the best. He has a non bias outlook on everything. This world needs more people like him.

Bengals fan here... so happy to win last night, first win in playoffs in 31 yrs... Mike Brown always gets tons of criticism for how he runs.. but 2 things he did that should be respected from this conversation... he kept Marvin for so many years(Black head coach).... he did not fire Zac after 2 miserable years... Zac would have been fired last year or after first year if he was coaching any other team for sure...

Love the conversation. Very underrated show.

The fact that two strong personalities can have a complex conversation without passing blame or throwing insults in of itself is amazing. Yet to throw in the fact it's two black athletes having the courage to be talking about a racial issue in a billion dollar industry that happens to be a chief supporter of the media platform they work for is phenomenal. We need more content like this on TV as well as in society. Unfortunately because they aren't loud and bombastic and animated they won't feed the American appetite for drama and these type of nuisance conversations will not see the advantages of mainstream success.

This was a phenomenal discussion! Very intellectually stimulating. I love to see these highly intelligent brothers debate- every show is a lecture series all onto itself

These two hyper-intellectuals are the only ones on TV that can openly talk about this subject and not be called racist. No one else would dare touch this subject!!

These guys should be in Congress or the Senate.... I'd vote for them

Marcellus is on point on alot of things. You can't just appease to one and not another. The ratio of black players to coaches is due to black people rather be players than coaches like Marcellus says. You don't have a resume after you retire and while you're playing, this other person who didn't get to be a player, is building his resume for coaching. Marcellus is great at not having a victim mentality on this topic.

Decent discussion. I take issue w/ Marcellus Wiley’s point about black coaches getting more second opportunities than white coaches. Most of the black coaches that he named were successful in their first job and not washouts… Tony Dungy - First coach in Bucs history to leave w/ a winning record. Dennis Greene - 97-62 as Vikings head coach. Lovie Smith - Super Bowl appearance and coach of the year winner. Jim Caldwell - Super Bowl appearance. Art Shell - Coach of the year winner

While we're at it female head coaches. There should be more Hispanic quarterbacks. Every team should have a Filipino Frontline. Frankly, I just wish people would stop saying stupid stuff

This show just keeps getting better. Keep it up guys.. I feel like I learn some new vocab every time I watch!

Acho: “Diversity makes us strong”, thinks this statement is smart Also Acho: “70% poc nfl players, 83% black nba players” totally ok with this disparity. Marcellus is a brilliant mind and extremely articulate.

Great presentation Acho!

Marcellus nailed. One important thing to mention, its easier to Be a basketball coach than a football coach, thats why there is more former players coaching in The NBA. Football coachs need years of study to became One, its The hardest profession in all sports.

This was an entertaining conversation but I wish Wiley went into detail on his "mental attributes" thoughts. I think it really would have took the show to the next level

Great dialogue......and analysis.....

Y'all went in on this one. One of your best convos yet imo. Love you guys' dynamic and diversity of perspectives. More!!!

Not every former player wants to be a coach. What are the stats on former black players that transition to coaching. Wiley and Acho are prime examples. Merit breeds excellence. Shouldnt matter what color you are.

Hands down one of the best and most informed discussions I've heard on a program in a long time!

The only concern should be qualifications, PERIOD. Why are people looking at superficial things? Skin color? Hair color? Irrelevant. You don’t have to play the game, to know how to coach the game. And your chip analogy is moronic.

Playing in the NFL doesn't make you a coach. Not playing in the NFL doesn't make you not a coach. Stop.

I love the conversation I understand how deep this actually is but just plain and simple the two coaches that got fired just did not deserve to get fired whatsoever one of them completely overachieved nobody thought that the Houston was going to have one victory let alone four. And the dolphins coach was the best coach they had in the last 22 years.

Great dialog and analysis fellas.

Should the NFL be concerned there are no White cornerbacks in the NFL? Skin color shouldn’t matter it’s about if your better at the job.

Honest as a half white half Pakistani I swear this was one of the best debates I’ve heard and reason for it is the easy way easy answer the more perfered answer was for him to say your right and I agree it’s tragic what’s happening and no one would of blinked an eye at him but I swear this man just just won so much respect in my eyes and to have black leaders like this is a dream who fight for what it is no matter it’s not the easy answer and how he didn’t back down and stood up for what is right was awesome made me want to listen more because wasn’t like 2 black people bashing white people or 2 white people bashing black this is what we need more of in this country and we can get some where no one side wants all the figure pointed at them and justifiably it’s very rarely the case that one side is always 100 percent wrong or the reason

both very smart anchors who respect each others opinions and articulate them well, best sports talk show and its not close

Wow they dug deep on this one 🔥

A lot of good points made by both, from a new coach stepping into a bad situation to the genetics of players. The league and fans should want equality, but they should also recognize that equality (as some have defined) may not be attained. You cant look at the demographics of the players and expect the head coach demographics to mirror that, because you cant expect that all players want to coach when they retire. Coaching in todays NFL is about long, long, long days or preparation (tape, scheming, teaching and managing a roster of players that have increasingly number of off field issues and distractions). I cant imagine many people look forward to a position like that. SOME of the best coaches and coordinators have been journeymen, lesser knowns or career backups. Why? because their whole playing career has been scouting, breaking down tape, running the scout team and prepping the starters for game day. They are the ones on the sidelines assisting or relaying play calls, keeping the HC aware of situations (down and distance, time, opponent tendencies etc). Being a backup (especially at QB) is literally being in the NFL coaching academy, as a result they are more prepared to make the jump if they choose the coaching route. This is stuff a starter may not experience and thus will need some time to learn prior to or after they have made the jump. Some of course are better than others and you will have your outliers. Peyton Manning could probably be a great HC, but maybe not someone like Dan Marino. Mike Tomlin stepped into a great situation, he joined Pitt two years removed from a superbowl and was able to hit the ground running with a storied well run franchise. If he was dropped into say the Jets, Texans, Lions etc, would he have had the same success knowing he would most likely have been fired after 3 years and not doing much to turn a poor franchise around? This leads me to my next point, owners are far too quick to give up on coaches. Owners are too focused on winning now and not on what it actually takes to win. Building a team via the draft and free agency takes at least 3 years until you expect to see results (maybe longer if you need a QB). You have to give the coach time to establish his culture, the team identity and if he is a new coach, there will be mistakes and things to learn from.

Acho is on his A game today !!

WILEY KILLING IT WITH LOGIC!😎

One of the few talk shows that feels like two best friends having a discussion.

These two are simply the best. What a powerful conversation.

As a black man let me say this: Every black former player does not want to coach. Of those that do, how many are actually good enough to take the top spot. Of those that want to coach and are worthy of the top spot at a time when the top spot is available is a very small window to fit coach X in. Firing a coach after year 1 (unless there is an Urban Meyer type circumstances)is irresponsible regardless of race.

The Best Conversation I have heard on this topic that I can remember

Can the nfl get Asians and Latino coaches too? It's not just black and white lol

Great conversation. The information on both sides we well thought out and thought provoking. I like the format in that, we the audience are allowed to formulate our own opinions without bias

There's no disconnect except Archulo bias racist opinion. Diversity does not mean productivity or success.. Wiley is King! the only real brother who keeps it 💯 % in all of sports media

Meritocracy should be the first box checked. A coach of a leader of young men. Ethnicity shouldn't be a factor.

The best sports show on tv.

Thank for this great nuanced discussion. You guys are the best in the biz.

Great episode! I enjoyed both talking points. Gave me a different understanding 👏🏽

Marcellus don't sit on fence

Wiley has always been on the other side of the fence when it comes to these topics

How refreshing it is to listen to quiet and intelligent DISPUTED reasoning than loud UNDISPUTED chatter

They broke this issue all the way down... Great job!

biggest data points: 12% of the population is black 70% of the league is black (some are saying it’s like 56%) NFL has made more black millionaires than any other job in the world. Every industry has disproportional groupings of races and it’s not “racism”. It’s just normal human behavior. Indian dominate the software work. Black pepper dominate the hip hop space. Koreas dominate donut store ownership in the South. Etc etc. Just bc black people don’t dominate or split the number doesn’t mean it’s “racism”. All that to say, I do think that owners favor people who look like them (in the exact same way studies show woman exec’s favor woman). Everything you don’t like isn’t “racism”. Also Acho, you said “diversity brings excellence”. Statistically that’s not true. Example: the league will do just fine with black or white coaches. Also, make sure you guys throw in this data point: the NFL has made more black people millionaires that any other job IN THE ENTIRE WORLD. We got to stop claiming everything is racism just because we don’t like it or don’t understand it.

both have valid points but you goofballs in the comments just latched on whatever made you feel better 😂

This was one of the best segments ever. Then again, I say that every time these 2 go back and forth on some serious issues.

The conversation, subject points and exchange of dialogue was very interesting and intelligent...! It wasn't whiny and weak like most conversations I've heard on this subject 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

Wiley you are that dude great convo and being honest about the situation

Acho you the man; great take!

Mane these guys neva disappoint. Hope they never break apart. Great job Kings!

Finally a show that shows BOTH PERSPECTIVES I cant stress it enough that we need more of this on all these sports shows if they're gonna talk about these issues.

Dope conversation!

Maybe AB should be next coach

So well spoken, detailed and clear. Need to take notes from these two gentlemen

Great discussion. Lots of great points made back and forth. I was about to look at Census data to make sense of all this.

This was a Tour De Force... The epitome of knowledge and entertainment. Points made without SCREAMING (Skip Bayless, STEPHAN A.) Actual giving food for thought. Criminally underrated and overlooked Gem of a pairing. Football in background but very versatile in Sports Knowledge 👏🏾 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

Great job guys. A THOROUGH conversation, addressing the complexity of this issue. This is what's missing in our public discussions today, so we end up with halfbaked and incomplete narratives. Everyone grabs unto their "uncooked" narrative and stands stubbornly in their corner leaving the masses dumber and more divided...and w/o solutions. We need more of these thorough conversations, keep up the good work guys.

Loved this! I love that they aren't afraid to dig deep on this

Great job on this

Wiley is great to listen to, Acho not so much.

Marcellus is having 2 different arguments and trying to make it add up

Yall both made great points!!!Best debate show!!

very good, intelligent discussion on a very, very sensitive issue...GREAT JOB!!!!

Lets have an Asian head coach. They are small, they are not build like most nfl player but they do have good knowledge and understanding plus they are pretty smart

Why should the league be concerned when they been the same good old boy's network since they been around and they ain't missed 1 dolla, the NFL doesn't see blacks as leaders or partners, meaning ownership

'Speak for yourself' you 2 are the best

love this show. Open discussion, honesty, facts. Keep it up

Wiley dominated this debate.

I'm tired of race and politics being injected into sports commentary.

One of the best takes you guys have ever had💯

I just hope that 1 day people are judged on ability And potential rather than color on all sides.

IDk why but when he poured the chip into a bowl i wanted him to do a magic trick.

Can some please get Acho, a Noble Peace Prize in journalism please.........

Very informative guys. Good one

Statistically, it is improbable but it could happen occasionally. It goes beyond improbable when it happens over and over and over. Great convo.

Great conversation and exchange, Marcellus exposed the full extent of achos racism. Not once does he mention Latino, Polynesian, Asian, Native American ect

Acho snapped

Love this show as they delve deep into issues not just surface issues. Makes me think.b

I love listening to people who are more knowledgeable than I because it elevates my thinking

Your qualification should get you the job not your skin color

You left out what Watson wanted as a coach was Eric Bieniemy not David. Also the Texans was doing damage control by hiring David

Wiley argument is weak and almost confusing. This point is pretty simple and he muddy it up with numbers that doesn't matter.

Wiley dropped a gem.

Does this mean the NFL needs to diversify its players to include more Asian and white so it's better as well? When it comes to coaching the best person for the job is getting the job.

I can't take Acho seriously when he says maholmes is "already" a first ballot hall of famer. That is ridiculous. He's won one super bowl and in eight quarters he's had one good quarter in super bowls. I think he'll probably end up in the Hall of fame. But if his career ended right now he wouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. So why does he think he's going to be a first ballot Hall of famer already

One of the best videos in this show , amazing video 🔝