I love this channel. Deeply detailed overviews of complicated cars from a passionate expert in the field with priceless real world experience built up over many years. This guys a legend and I believe everything he says. He’s a Toyota guy, sure, but he doesn’t hold back calling them out either. That’s how you know he’s a real one.
Should come with a holster for when you find out you have to remove the body to change a $15.00 hose that "fails quite often"..... Should have the Kleenex Edition out soon....
Meh. I bought one and we wanted to love it. 2023 with the hurricane engine. Needed a new engine at 2 months of ownership. Oil was full of metal shimmer and flakes. Engine was replaced and the second engine had a different set of issues. The car was lemon law repurchased at month 3 and surrendered at than 6 months of ownership. We replaced it with a Platnium edition Expedition Max and couldn't be happier.
@@aliabdallah102 lol Toyota and Honda are for people who can't do their oil changes or maintain their car ☠️ and have or pay someone else to work on your car.
I wanted to say these reviews are really exactly what I look for in these type of videos. What's under the hood what's underneath what may break what may not. Being a DIY guy these are the things I love to know before I look to purchase from someone who really knows about it. Thank you these really are the best.
Man I'm not buying any new car from now on without checking out your RU-vid channel to see if you made a review of it. Thanks for the quality work, AMD!
@@mottom2657 There's hundreds of videos on RU-vid, from sites like Car Wizard, Rainman Ray's, Watch Wes Work, etc. Plus many online articles. Look it up yourself!
There used to be a motto - KISS. Keep It Simple Stupid. Modern auto design has not just forgotten that motto, it has wilfully developed a mindset to produce the exact opposite.
I'm gladly keeping my 06 Jeep Commander Hemi/4x4 over a modern model for the very reason you suggested (I bought her when new and do most of my own maintenance and repairs). Never will I buy a turbo engine in any car!
My 07 Cummins 5.9 has 535k on it and will still outlast anything at a dealership today. Can tow a gross weight of 30k lbs no problem. New vehicles are junk because they follow the WEF agenda. ....you'll own nothing.
You did a great job showing this Jeep --- Trust me when I say; it was better than any AUTO online review. I like how you explain the "hit the button" and run tailgate -- (so real)!!!
As an old geezer now I can tell you what I really miss is opening the hood and having room to work. When I was young and on a budget I had a Dodge Dart with a slant 6 enigne. I learned to do a few things to save money but there was so much room under the hood that (I never tried it) you could if you wanted to find room to stand in the engine bay. That engine with the Chrysler automatic (1969) was as bullet proof as they came!
I think the Chrysler auto back then was a 3 speed "Torque Flite" is what they called it. With that slant 6 and auto I had no problem doing 75 on the interstate.
I had one of those slant 6 engines in a Plymouth Grand Fury, former police car. It had a huge report writing light in the headliner, a huge radiator, rubber floorboards, and poverty caps on steel wheels. It was a fantastic car for the money.
I can see my other reply to the original poster on this thread is hidden/censored.. for what reason I don't know, it wasn't vulgar or mean.@@mopwax239 In my opinion Toyota dropped the ball on the Grand Highlander putting a turbo 4 cylinder in a 4500 lb. that I view almost full size SUV. It's ill equipped if you ask me, I would at least want the smoothness of a 6 cylinder. I personally wouldn't want that large of a vehicle and then load 7 people into it with their gear being that sorely underpowered, then crank on the a/c and add some treacherous terrain with steep hills or mountains and I could see that Grand Highlander being a not so grand dog trying to move all that mass. But I can't answer for the original poster so that's my two cents.
@TheRealCatof I've owned two Toyotas. My first was a 93 standard cab with a 22RE. In 142k miles it: Snapped its front axle Ate FOUR (4) alternators Blew a power steering pump Blew an oil pump Had a frame that was more rust then metal (despite living in Georgia its whole life) And jumped time TWICE The second time I had it crushed. Then I had a 99 4Runner that made it to 191k miles before it shot a rod into the earth. Meanwhile, my 05 Rubicon has 366k miles on the original 4.0L and transmission. Its been all around North and South America, due every trail from Beasley Knob to Rubicon, to climbing Ojos del Salado. Most expensive thing I've ever had to replace on it was a PCM.
I have a third generation Jeep Grand Cherokee 4x4 as well. Only differences are mine is the 2005 model year, mine is in the Limited trim and mine has the 4.7 liter V8 engine. The mileage on mine so far is a little over 183K. I've seen few articles, few message postings either from RU-vid or social media that says quote "Jeep vehicles are nice, but reliability is on the downside." That assessment is inaccurate because it depends on how the vehicle is maintained. That's with any vehicle regardless of manufacturer. My 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee used to be my daily driver. I still have it, but I use it as a secondary vehicle due to the fact that last year in July of 2023, I got a new vehicle. I got the 2023 Jeep Grand Cherokee L. I got it in the Summit Reserve trim nicely equipped with the 5.7 liter HEMI V8 engine. Good performing engine. A night and day difference over the 3.6 liter Pentastar V6 engine. As for the features, they are nice and comfortable. Jeep definitely hit the ball out of the park with this fifth generation Grand Cherokee L and Grand Cherokee. They also did the same with the Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer. Jeep brought back the Grand Wagoneer due to the fact that full-size SUVs generated lots of sales regardless of manufacturer since few years ago until now. They also brought back the Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer because full-size SUVs was MIA in the lineup. In reference to the Grand Wagoneer, they also brought it back to steal some sales away from the Cadillac Escalade (main target) and Lincoln Navigator. Strategically, stealing some sales away from those two worked. It was brought back to also steal sales from the other competitor vehicles BMW X7, Mercedes GLS and Infiniti QX80. However, no pressure in doing that because those three full-size SUVs lack the size of the Grand Wagoneer.
@@hemiwarrior6226 Well that's it. You own the iconic and reliable TJ with a amc 242. Modern Jeeps are terrible man. The TJ and the XJ are the last reliable models for the brand.
I rented one with a few hundred miles on it. Two times in a weekend it wouldn’t start - software issues. It rebooted each time after sitting for 5 - 10 minutes. There’s no way I would buy a Jeep product.
@@manjotsandhu9539 yep all the new sequioas are hybrids. That's why I think pairing a hybrid with the turbo is the way to go and will probably make them engine last way longer overall. The hybrid batteries in them are pretty proven tech and can easily go 300k+ miles based on other hybrids if you take care of them.
If this was an actual SRT made engine (or aftermarket project even) that 26 psi would be awesome. Being an adopted engine from the rest of the gang across the pond, it is concerning lol
I was at the dealership yesterday looking at full size SUV's...... even the car salesman personalty approached me and said "don't even think about the Jeep Wagoneer it is SO full of electrical problems, they are constantly returned for warranty work and can never fix the problems correctly, they are built like crap"....... hearing that was enough for me lol
Similarly I had a client who works at FCA in the software side. States he rather take a less complicated Grand Cherokee than any of the Wagoneers, and explicitly told to stay clear of the Hurricane Inline 6 until they figure out the details.
$123k of turbocharged planned obsolescence. An inline six - (Jeep 4.0, 2JZ, Ford inline six) that is well maintained and naturally aspirated will last for decades. The infotainment & leather are useless when the engine blows up.
A lady on a Sequoia FG group just announced herself with the shocking fact that Jeep is buying back a second wagoneer from her! Shes done with Jeep, now looking for a Toyota/Lexus as a result.
The turbo engines to try and compensate for the power of a v8 just don't hold up. No matter what they try and do with it. The reliability goes down every time you add a turbo to any engine.
Everyone wants a V8 in a big vehicle, but they’re not listening. They’re going to keep pushing these crappy turbo charged throwaway engines. I’m going to keep fixing my V8 vehicle until I can’t fix it anymore. I want nothing to do with modern vehicles anymore.
Basically, if money is no worries to you and neither is spending money on repairs, but you want to be comfortable, than this is your buy. Or if you want to lease it for 3 years and do it in style. Other than that it will be nice to see how this thing ages. If the Pacifica is any future indicator.... It's not looking good.
You’re describing that engine like it’s a small heart in a 310lb man. High blood pressure, but a freight train of hurt. Fun, but short and pricey life…. 😞 Why couldn’t they dig deep in its roots like the AMC 4.0?
@@StockCarGuy This 3.0 is more than redesigned. It’s a whole new platform! Direct injection carbon build up is like plaque growing in your coronary arteries. Twin turbos = high performance or high blood pressure. Ownership dies of a heart attack from shop repairs… 🔥💵🔥
I like the turbos on the cooling system with the electronic water pump. Makes me think there is programming to keep it running after shutoff. Knowing the turbos are going to be worked moving such a big car and towing heavy loads.
It is a great system for turbo longevity. About to hit 200k miles on my original turbos and I attribute a lot of that to the electric pump that keeps buzzing after I shut off my car.
Speaking if plastic on coolant hoses. Dorman finally came out with a aluminum coupling for the 2012 Toyota RAV4 with the 2.5 where the plastic coupling always breaks near the engine block where the radiator hose starts and the little bypass hose goes to a coolant pipe. Now I won't have to worry about that breaking again. Wish Toyota would have made that metal to begin with. The Ford Panther Platform's from 2003-2011 had the power seat switch on the driver's door and depending on trim or model it was also on the passenger door as well. I think its more convenient, especially for the elderly, to have the seat adjustment switch on the front door card.
We never know with Chrysler quality how it will hold up. I will admit my mother-in-law has a 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited (no air suspension) with just about 150k and she’s still driving it with no issues! I am shocked honestly, it’s a joke we tell because between My Corolla, her Jeep Grand Cherokee, my sister-in-law’s Nissan Murano and my spouses Audi, her Jeep and my Corolla has had the least problems! I’ll have to wait until they are like $20k so it will be a bit! 😂 Great review again Carcare Nut! I love the unbiased but you do point out the issues in these design! We drove a ford Edge with the 2.0 Turbo and I was shocked with the amount of plastic under the hood much like this Wagoneer and I likewise was concerned how this plastic would hold up. *Edit Someone rear ended her today and totaled her jeep 😭 guess my car won* *Second Edit: She got a newer one 😂 2018 Grand Cherokee 3.6 so we will see with this one 😂😂
My wifes 2012 Jeep Liberty Jet Limited is still going strong 12 yrs later with almost 100k miles. 30 years of many Toledo built Jeeps with no problems & enjoyed all of them.🎉
If they could really well insulate the engine compartment the 6.7L I6 Cummins Turbo Diesel Engine would be a super interesting option for this 6,428lb truck.
Now we're talking about a real, heavy-duty truck engine. I still wouldn't trust the build quality. Stellantis is a terrible company. Their quality control is non-existent. They tend to rush into production without testing for problems first.
@@jaimieconroy36good thing Cummins has abaolutely nothing to do with Stellantis and their ownership umbrella. I swear, people just associate anything thats in a chrysler/FCA/stellantis w.e product with being MADE by them. Their 8 speed transmission is a ZF unit full stop and guess what? Its more reliable than pretty much ANY Jatco craopy toyota made CVT or Ford/GM made abomination. Same goes for the ISB Cummins engines and even more so for the older 5.9 12v Cummins I6. Just because its in a car from a company you dont like doesnt mean it was MADE by that company. No one builds all their vehicles completely in house anymore.
I can't stop looking at the black Supra on top!! That has lasted over 25 years, is still an amazing car and it's worth more than when it was purchased!!
I have a 2012 Grand Cherokee Limited with air suspension, 114,000 miles and 12 years old in April with no problems yet, still rides like a dream. Rear suspension has separate air bags and shocks but the front has combo struts, $1800 EACH. Ouch!
I recently rented a Chrysler mini van, I don’t remember the model, but it had a good number of miles on it. I drove it about 200 miles, I was pleasantly surprised, it was fairly quiet, it rode nicely, it didn’t have a bunch of squeaks and rattles, the stereo sounded pretty good and it was fairly comfortable.
They are good ,, as a rental . Rented a almost new town & country, 5 days later , need it replace with another even lower mileage one , not safe to drive becoz it was shaking , Then the next 18 days , no problem at all . Drive smooth , Good power , Total miles driven was 12,000 + km's , in 24 days . Would rent them again , always .
I bought a 2018 Pacifica new, a Touring Plus for $28,5 out the door. Leather, Stow n go, equipped nicely. They all have the 3.6. Anyway, I drive a TON as a service engineer, and need space for all my tools- pickups honestly cost too much for the not-so-great average fuel economy. I've serviced it at every recommended interval, changed the oil every 7,500 miles, and currently have 288,470 miles on the odo. Outside of all the recommended maintenance, fluid & filter changes, I've had the struts replaced at 100k, and again at 212k(the factory ride is amazing for those long distance slogs, so I make sure to keep it riding perfect), also front end bushings at 212k. I've had tie rods done at 100k, and 212k. Ball Joints at 150k, will likely need them at 300k again. Brake job once so far at 150k. Alternator died at 192k, exhaust has been replaced once just shy of 250k. I had the timing chain service done at 150k- it wasn't making noise or running poorly, its just recommended by 120k so I ended up just getting it taken care of then. Everything still looked good, so this time around I'm waiting until 300k to have it done again. I also had the Bluetooth module go bad at 76k miles, replaced under warranty. Has been fine since. That is everything in a nutshell. The 3.6 V6 has been solid, as has the entire powertrain. I feel preventative maintenance is crucial if you want any vehicle to last- and as I'm meticulous on getting my vehicles serviced, I've never had a "bad" vehicle from any manufacturer. Chrysler products tend to be bought by lower income or credit-challenged buyers alot of the time, many of whom beat the hell out of their vehicles and only ever have maintenance performed when something breaks. Same goes for routine fluid changes- lots go without, and you end up with vehicles that are used up by 100k miles. That's just how it goes unfortunatley.
The one thing that was amazing on this vehicle when I test drove one at the MKE auto show last year was the center gauge display showing night vision. They made a great vehicle.
Excellent, useful, thoughtful and thorough overview. Covering all aspects of the vehicle, including the technical aspects, in a straightforward, understandable, way. Thank you and well done!
For me considering its overpriced for the average buyer and no Hemi V8 I'll stick to my 2011 Ford F150 with a 5.0L Coyote V8 in it with 160,000 miles on it and still going strong.
Credit to Stellantis for the backup systems to get out of park. On GM vehicles they have the same issue where park is the default when the engine isn't running. But unlike Stellantis, in order to manually get it out of park you have to crawl under it and use a special tool to get it to neutral.
@@ozarkliving7263 Im not so sure anymore about how unreliable their cars are anymore considering they have allowed the ZF transmission in all of their line ups. There has also been a lot of brand revivals going on and I wouldn't count them out of the race for reliability concern just yet. Hell Ive seen my fair share of Grand Caravans with stupid high mileage and very little maintenance required to get there. The new engine could become a problem with it being new but then again its a I6, something that has been done for so long that you kind of have to intentionally fuck up to fuck it up.
Absolutely agree. Almost all cars will break down at some point in time. To have the GM system where you have to crawl under the car to get it out of park and use a special tool is borderline criminal IMO.
@@Crunchymunchys well millions of dismal used car prices of Stellanis products say your assessment is likely incorrect. I know dozens of families personally whose experience with Dodge/Chrysler has been a nightmare. Like a blind squirrel occasionally finding a nut, a few Stellanis vehicles turn out to be only a partial nightmare.
Just discovered your channel, as someone that rebuilds old cars it’s so great to get a technical overview of the new stuff! Thanks for sharing your expertise
When Car Care Nut starts hemming and hawing about a high strung engine, it is easy to not waste time looking further. These thorough analysis reviews are really valuable.
Toyota found this out their new Tundra has no V8 and their turbo 6 cyl engines are blowing up left ,right and center..Toyota Tundra is the least reliable new truck as 2023 they just had the turbo 6 cyl that fails to this day!
@mypronouniswtf5559 Agreed, Toyota should've never got rid of the 5.7L I-Force V8 in the Tundra, that V8 engine will outlast any EcoBoost engine with ease.
Toyota is not as reliable as you may think. And, Toyota's in general are meh to drive. I rather enjoy the drive than worry if it'll be with me in 20 years because to be honest, why would I want a 20 year old meh vehicle?
42:55 I didn’t really realize it until you demonstrated all of the seats folded down that the center console with display doesn’t make much sense. They could have easily integrated the HVAC controls into the display itself behind each one of the front seats Better yet: they could’ve done what Tesla did in the 24’ model 3 and put an HVAC control system on the back of the front center console which we already know won’t be folding down. Then you’d have been able to fold down all of the rear seats flat.
I appreciate and feel you gave a fair and honest review. A new vehicle and engine and I haven’t heard much about it or problems with them. I personally wouldn’t purchase this model but have owned several FCA products and enjoyed all of them. Most fairly trouble free. I have had a couple of Toyotas engine good, trans mostly good but the rest started to go at 80k. I buy something I’m comfortable driving and enjoy.
So I can't speak for the stellantis i6 but the Ford Ecoboost V6 motors are definitely not stressed. In fact, they are heavily detuned if anything. Take for instance the 3.0L... it produces 400 bhp but with the stock motor and all stock internals and nothing but bigger turbo setup and larger intercooler, people can pump them up over 600 whp easily and still be daily driver reliable. Most of these new 6 cylinder turbo engines are so heavily overbuilt.
I don't care what kind of tech you employ, asking 3L of engine to move 3 tons of vehicle is going to result in an overstressed power train. Either that engine detuned for longevity hybrid with EV, or better yet larger displacement 8 cylinder engines that won't be working as hard. Guess we can't have that anymore though. :(
Agreed. The hurricane MIGHT end up being a solid engine, but the 5.7 is reliable (assuming you delete MDS) and parts are everywhere and it still makes decent power and torque while getting solid gas mileage for a 400hp V8.
With both exhaust running directly under the transmission fluid pan I think that I would change the fluid more than recommended due too the heat. Most of these ridiculous vehicles will be hogging up streets here in Los Angeles with only the driver in the vehicle. .
As always, I really enjoy your videos. One thing I noted on this one was how many times you commented on the size of the vehicle. Even though at the end you stated that you really liked full-sized American SUVS. please remember there are some of us really appreciate/need the full size if we are to be truly comfortable. My self, I’m 6’ 5” tall, kind of long in the torso and broad shouldered. You would be amazed at what I don’t fit in any longer. Thanks.
My 2021 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk (N/A 3.2L) lasted a whole 14k miles before 9 lifters failed. At 20k miles the PTU was on its way out. There's no way I'd buy another Jeep. Life lesson learned.
I remember the 1980s. Basically every American car was like that - breaking down on a regular basis because of catastrophic design flaws that always required lots of expensive repairs to fix. The Renault Alliance Encore my dad had for a while was even worse. Our 1986 Nissan Stanza Wagon had a lot of miles when we got it and a few issues of it's own but was a big step up in terms of reliability. It at least made it to 100K miles before it started stranding us on the side of the road. Having a car that was reliable for a least a while was a game changer.
True dat. Jeep (and high powered) Dodge/Ram were Stellantis’ best shots, and they buried both with rediculous pricing and shoddy quality. They used to be hit or miss with quality… Now it seems miss or miss.
@@CountchoFCA throws away cars in recessions it’s a little amusing. I remember 10 or 12 years ago you could buy a base patriot for like 9 or 10 grand brand new 😂
I came across your video and I am glad that I did! This is by far one of the most detailed review of a vehicle that I have seen on RU-vid. It is to the point, there is no background music interfering either the review and you appear to be very competent in your field. I will definitely subscribe to view other reviews that you have posted. Keep up the good work!
Very impressive vehicle and an excellent overview by you. I opted for reliability and durability. I bought a 2001 Jeep Cherokee Sport. I paid $5K for it 3 years ago. I'm happy with it.
My Dad had a 61 Jeep pickup. In line 6 cylinder L6-226 Flathead engine. 3 speed manual trans 4 wheel drive (the real mechanical twin stick kind, not the ABS type). The rear different had the Limited Slip that worked great until you drove it in the snow in 2 Wheel Drive. When he said in line 6, he had my attention.
Your father's Jeep was an actual Jeep. This overpriced attention getter is a soon to be failure at a humongous price. Jeep lost its dependability in the very early 80's. They've been bought out by a few companies in hope to sell the true Jeep name with a non Jeep vehicle.
I wonder what the benefit was for engineering to keep the exhaust in two pipes for so much of that huge exhaust run. I'm frankly shocked that accounting didn't call out that cost and win. Seems like so much simpler and lighter to just dump into one pipe from the cat back.
Didn’t watch the video, so I’m not sure if it was mentioned, but whenever I’ve gotten behind one of these since they came out, always noticed the right side, tail light and trim assembly didn’t line up between the fender and the deck lid. Love the old ones , don’t think much of this design.
As an owner of 2022 model I have to admit that the infotainment system becomes pretty glitchy with time. CarPlay often stops connecting, you have to remove the phone, add it back, then CarPlay appears in a day or two. The memory/profile settings get lost and messed up, the screen can restart by itself in a cycle and so on and so forth. Obviously, the service department doesn’t know anything about those things. Other than that, it’s a great giant vehicle, we really have a lot of fun with it. Turning heads guaranteed :)
I'm a Chrysler tech and can say yeah radio is glichy. There is a new tsb that came out for radio update but it's placed on hold so we don't have much information when we can get the update or it maybe even a Ota update.
My sister in law works for a jeep dealer in Florida. They warranty transmissions in these on every other one they sell. Constant warranty work on these new ones.
In the 39 years my wife and I have been married. We have bought a few new vehicles. The common problem has been intermittent issues thare typically connectors and the seating of a connector in the plug or electric block. I have helped friends resolve problems too. Any brand, and model will have this problem. Just buy the most basic trim level you feel comfortable with of the vehicle you like. All brands have these problems. But having air bags are asking for trouble. They work fine on tractor trailers, but not on cars!
Buy a new clean sheet engine design by Stellantis? No way! What are the odds that it makes 100K miles without replacing a head gasket or a turbo or two.
BMW uses a secondary cooling circuit for the turbo as well. To elaborate on what you said about the new engine trend one thing I've noticed about the smaller, particularly turbo engines is they do great in smaller cars, but then they put them into SUVs they are overburdened and start to have problems. A good example is when gm put the cobalt engine in the equinox
nice , the L long body ..its a 3 row luxury family school bus needs opt 4th row jump seats for large utah families , I had a 88 grand wagoneer v8, 95 grand Cherokee I-6 , this is only a name , did go test drive one the magic is still there with the short wheelbase and inline I-6 , how long will this in line I-6 last ? it should of went into the other jeeps and ram trucks those buyers put a lot more miles on them, as if I paid $115k and it spent time in the shop id be pis off
Wow, All those cavities & gaps around the wheel wells are a *perfect* spot to keep all my salt & debris in the *winter* so I can turn it into rust *in the summer.* & Do it every year afterwards too. Nice! Props to Mopar for remembering how we enjoy that premature depreciation. Very thoughtful, Boys.
To be fair, that underbody protection you see on other cars do technically be add-ons when you look at the configurators...... Which does make seeing none here odd af!
