Given the current rumors for the 4080 Super I thought it would be helpful to estimate how the gaming efficiency would change against the 7900 XTX. Current rumors suggest an MSRP of $999 US and a performance increase of 3-5%. Let's take the middle point and assume a performance gain of 4% and for the price let's assume that a Strix 4080 Super OC variant would be $200 cheaper, so the new price would be $1,350. Assuming that the price of the Nitro 7900 XTX doesn't change then the advantage in gaming efficiency or FPS/$ reduces from 45.7% to 22.0% for Avg FPS and from 47.5% to 23.5% for %1 Low FPS. As you can see the Nitro+ 7900XTX still offers better value, which explains why Nvidia is aggressively pricing the 4080 Super. AMD could decide to counter with a further price reduction, which would be great. This type of competition is fantastic for consumers and I really hope it continues. I will place the new gaming efficiency chart at the end of the benchmark file on my website: blackbirdpc.tech/ UPDATE: turns out the 3-5% uplift was spot on with 4% being the average at 4K, so my "prediction" above was spot on ... gotta love it when that happens!!
very nice work here ! I agree with, the XTX's raw performance will still better by 2-4% comparing the super version of the 4080 ... I don't understand their strategy here, they didn't even upgraded the VRAM ! On the price view it's even worse, for example, in France, Spain or Germany a 4080 normal version is arround 1200 euros at least, the super version will be +300 euros more or even higher with brands like Aorus, MSI, Gigabyte etc... I don't get it why they call it "super" if it the same product XD but more expensive. For my PC I just wait my final component the GPU, and for sure will still go with a XTX, +8 GB more VRAM, the price will drop for sure tomorrow and it still be faster. The only downside is Ray Tracing ofcourse but if I can boost everything on ultra i dont really care about RT especially paying like almost 40% more ...
@@darkness3038 it's probably just to try and find an excuse to add the "super" name, market with games that run faster on it than the xtx and sell it. $1000 is still ridiculous, but it's better than $1200 I guess.
Thank you for the update brother! Looks like AMD might still be better in terms of price to performance (at the high end). Between the 4060 & 7600 though it's not as clear. Hoping the rumored 7600 xt can also give better value
This cards doesn't make sense to me.. Slightly "faster" on paper, in reality.. is the same card.. Marketing will do their part of the job ... and here we go again.. 4060 + ti .. saga. I miss a lot oldschool approach, when we had 4 tiers if i remember and each tier had 1 card version.. Nvidia fishing here.. flooding the market with same bait..ofc different prices.. because most people think, more expensive is better.. Imagine that people who are not into this world, but they used to buy xx80 card.. so having this TI or Super names in it.. they will think that's new Super Titan or 4090 🙃
I truly have had an incredibly positive experience with AMD lately. Nvidia cards are very good but don't offer enough to justify the asking price anymore. Ray tracing and DLSS are cool technologies, but not $500-1000 more for the card technologies. All of my previous PCs were Nvidia/Intel and my latest is an all AMD build that has been awesome.
I play round with ray tracing on my 7900xtx and it about the level of 3090 but perfromace hit in game is for me not worth it but it was nice to look at
I generated an updated gaming efficiency chart to reflect the leaked performance and price of a 4080 Super (see pinned comment) … interesting results 😉
I bought the 7900XTX, as crazy as it sounds it’s a bargain when you look at the price of the 4080 and 4090. 24GB VRAM vs 16GB. Not bothered about Ray Tracing as I only play Multiplayer.
Just do 1 day of overtime and get the card. If your spending that much already on a high end GPU, may as well get the very best and enjoy atleast 3 years playing 4k max ultra, ray tracing and max fps. 30-50% may not sound a lot but in current 4k games like Cyberpunk, you can't run max settings with a 7900XTX/4080 with ray tracing.
@@lamadoo I have a chart in my benchmarks for Cyberpunk 2077 at RT Ultra settings with the 7900XTX at 61FPS at 4K and the 4080 at 87FPS at 4K. Those framerates are definitely good enough for a single player game.
As someone with a 7900 XTX, I’m going NVIDIA next time. So many PC crashes. I already RMA’ed one card. I’m debating doing it again. The 7900 XTX will probably go down as the buggiest GPU ever. I’ve owned 7 total GPUs. 2 of those were 7900 XTX’s and they both crash my PC multiple times per week. If you won the lottery and don’t have a crappy 7900 XTX, good for you. But it’s Russian roulette out here and I’ve bit the bullet twice now. An extra $100 to get a rock solid card that won’t crash constantly is definitely worth it.
If I had the same experience as you I would feel the same way. I’ve had four different 7900 XTX cards and they’ve all worked fine. That said with the release of the 4080 Super and $200 price cut it makes it hard to recommend the 7900 XTX.
If I had the cash on me I would have to go with Nvidia's 4080. It all comes down to me as a 3D designer. especially when it comes to render times Nvidia is just in favor of software where ray tracing and rasterization comes to. I could render scenes out so much more quicker if I had a Nvidia over AMD
I went from a 3080 to a 7900xtx OC. After 15 years of Nvidia and being pretty impressed by DLSS and RT/PT I’m enjoying seeing what the competition can do. With cyberpunk I was using the fsr hack to do framegen so I could run both PT and RT at high frame rates and it looked amazing but I was hitting that 10gb limit, with the 7900xtx I just use rasterisation and overload it with so many visual mods I can easily hit 20gb vram. It’s fun
@@blackbirdpctech my card reaches around 350w under load, Asus TUF, which doesn’t seem that high to me. It’s not undervolted but set to silent rather than OC
@@sargonsblackgrandfather2072 you are right, 350W is not that high ... the issue is when we compare the current gen cards from Nvidia and AMD, and we look at Watt/FPS ... most people don't really care about power draw however where efficiency is needed is at the top end when trying to push performance, this is why AMD was unable to produce a card with higher performance than the 7900XTX. Hopefully they will rectify this situation with their next gen cards because it's not good for consumers to not have a direct competitor for the RTX 4090.
@@blackbirdpctech yes I heard Nvidia did a really good job optimising power efficiency with the fourth gen cards, which is good. I miss the good old days of running a couple of 80s in SLI and crying at the electricity bill 😂
If you disagree with the recommendation then please share why. I buy my components myself so I am not influenced by any manufacturer … this recommendation wasn’t a tough call.
@blackbirdpctech I'm saying that I do agree with you, but nVidia has seemingly irrevocable mind share. You and other reviewers have been posting evidence of AMD as the better value proposition and yet nVidia continues to dominate. Your analysis and conclusion are sound, I just wish more consumers were listening.
@@takeoffwithjakesoftsorry, I misunderstood … Nvidia has created a powerful brand and they make quality GPU’s so it’s difficult to overcome the marketing hype sometimes, even when the data pushes you towards AMD.
@@takeoffwithjakesoft I generated an updated gaming efficiency chart to reflect the leaked performance and price of a 4080 Super (see pinned comment) … interesting results 😉
@@takeoffwithjakesoft it's becouse from 4080s you can buy cheap card and it's quiter, have 60 degrees at stress and take more then 100 watts less power. If you buy product for 1000 $ you want all the futures . With 7900 Xtx you have to buy good card brand to keep it quiet. And like in mine country you pay 10% more for Nvidia. It's no brainer that for more futures 10% price is not big thing.
I just bought the Sapphire Nitro Plus 2 months ago. Ive always been on the AMD platform currently the Ryzen 9 5900x X570 PG Velocita motherboard 3600mhz ram. I always had a Nvidia GPU though. Ive went from the GTX 1050 (my 1st GPU the memories lol!), to the GTX 1070, GTX 1080, RTX 2070 Super, and my previous GPU was the RTX 3080 (10GB) Gigabyte Vision (all white). I wanted to try AMD so i went with the Sapphire Nitro Plus 7900 XTX. I will give my HONEST OPINION. Most people just because the have the GPU will say, "Its the best I wouldnt change a thing" and to be honest that is true for me. Somewhat.... First I will say that when it comes to pure rasterization, the 7900xtx Sapphire Plus is a BEAST! I was also hesitant because Im a content creator as well as a gamer and Ive always heard that in editing Nvidia cards are superior (CUDA Performance) and although that is true the 7900xtx is no pushover especially with the 24GB of VRAM. My only issue is ofcourse......Ray Tracing. Now Im not the biggest fan of Ray Tracing but if im going to spend a thousand dollars Id like to expect that type of performance and this is where i fell AMD falls short. The upscaling on AMD (FSR 2 or 3) doesent look as good versus DLSS on Nvidia. For example I love Alan Wake 2, CyberPunk, (most Action RPG's and Survival Horror Open World Games) and im on a 1440p monitor and its just not worth turning on. I leave Ray Tracing AND FSR off and just play max settings at Native resolution. Im still getting 70- 79 fps so its definitely playable (in regards to Alan Wake 2). If I had to pick all over again Id go with the 4090 but when you take the price to performance you receive from the 7900xtx im definitely not disappointed. Im just not gonna say, "the 7900 xtx is the best" just because I bought one. Lying to myself only hurts myself even though it all comes down to personal preference and what your looking for. For gaming and editing the 7900xtx is a beast and the Sapphire Plus is amazing. You dont have to upgrade GPU adapter, it comes with physical bios switch but you can download the app and switch from the Bios on your desktop screen and it comes with an already overclocked Bios.
Really nice summary, thanks for taking the time to share your experience … I think your points are spot on … I think AV1 has helped level the playing field a little with recording content but hopefully AMD continues to rapidly develop their hardware/software RT ecosystem.
@blackbirdpctech can you please quickly explain how av1 helps in editing? Im a content creator, but im not with the specifics on how the software part works. I use Wondershare filmora x with my 7900xtx, and it's good, I thought it would of been worse considering how people said AMD GPU'S wasnt good (in regards to content creation that is). I just want to know if it's worth it for me sticking with the 7900 xtx because im using it for gaming and editing. I have a ryzen 9 5900x, so i can't really upgrade anymore unless i move to the am5 platform, but im about to get a 4k monitor. Do you think a ryzen 5900x with 7900xtx is good for top teir gaming and editing? I know it's decent for now, but im all about future proof in regards to my pc
@@shadowghost815it’s the encoding that you should use when you are recording or streaming. Nvidia used to have an advantage over AMD with H.265. Do you use OBS to record? A 5900x is a great chip … you could upgrade to a 5950x but it won’t improve gaming performance. What RAM are you using?
The 4070 ti super is about to make the 4080 very over-priced by comparison, so definitely don't get the 4080 right now unless you can get it for like 850 or less. The 7900 XTX could still be worth getting, as it has some advantages over the 4080, and is typically cheaper, but it should also be coming down a bit in price very soon, around when the 4070 ti super comes out, so I'd wait a bit for prices to come down before getting anything in this performance class right now.
You're assuming. The 4070 TI Super could cost $900-1000. I don't see the 4070 Super going for less than $600 and 4080 Super could be $1200-1300. I agree with you 100% that waiting is the best option right now though.
@@CrazO9111I really hope those prices hold because it would be great for consumers but the one thing I’ve learned is to wait until they are official … Jensen is giving his talk at CES tomorrow morning (Jan 8) so we don’t have to wait long.
Another greeat video! Cheets! I got really lucky last August when I found an ASRock RX 7900 XTX Phantom Gaming OC for only $850USD. It was an open-box model but I didn't care because I still got full warranty for it. Since I already had a reference RX 6800 XT, I wasn't even in the market for an upgrade, but I couldn't say no to a price that low for an XTX. It has been nothing short of amazing and the 24GB of VRAM will ensure its longevity.
@@UKKNGaming there is a quality aspect to RT that's important and doesn't show in FPS ... I love the 7900 XTX and it was my recommendation but it's a stretch to say that it can do ray tracing better than a 4080 ... hopefully AMD continues to mature their software ... the fact that they open source their efforts is great.
Glad I could help … it’s always challenging to not get caught up in the hype … I am going to thoroughly test the 4080 super against the 7900 xtx, but I’m not expecting anything different based on the specs. I actually think the best of the super releases is the 4070 Super and apparently it’s not selling well.
@@LynxiqueI tested the reference models that are the same price and yes under those conditions the 4080S was my recommendation. The Strix 4080S is still not a card I can recommend because the price premium over a sapphire nitro 7900xtx significantly reduces its value.
I'm reselling my 3080 ti while I can still get a decent price for it. I'm counting on gamers that love ray tracing to get a good price. I'll use the money on a used or open box 7900 xtx. The 7900 xtx has about the same ray tracing performance which is good enough for me. I'm not paying more than twice as much for 20% extra rasterisation performance (rtx 4090). I don't mind paying 200 to 300 a year to get a 30 to 40% boost in rasterisation performance. I change cards almost every generation if the rasterisation performance increase is significant. I skipped the nvidia 2000 series and kept my 1080 ti because the performance uplift was not there. I'll sell the 7900 xtx next year if the next gen gives at least a 40% boost and doesn't cost 2000 dollars and once again I'll only buy an open box or refurbished. Update just found my 7900 xtx. It's an open box Gigabyte Aorus Elite I got for 754 euros (942 euros with the insane 20% sales tax in this country). It's a high end card.**** I returned the 7900 xtx... Got a rtx 4080 for 20 euros less. The 7900 xtx was a monster, but a greedy electricity hog. This counts where I live.
It’s likely not as much as you think … he is a great guy and was super nice when I reached out to him … I’m curious as to how much you think he got paid 😉
Common misconception is AMD is very bad with ray tracing. While it's true that AMD Radeon 7000 struggles in games like Cyberpunk 2077, Cyberpunk is an nvidia sponsored game. The lack of utilization of RT cores in amd gpu's causes this, and makes the normal cores do all the work causing performance issues. AMD does great in DirectX raytracing which is a little more favorable for AMD.
@@club4ghz No? They just don't have the proper software to utilize it. AMD doesn't have OPTIX, CUDA, and cyberpunk never utilizes the right AMD cores for ray tracing so yeah.
I wish they’d stop swinging from the nuts of RT. And also relying on upscaling for everything. It eats resources and doesn’t do a bunch. Hell I have a 4090 and don’t use it. I’d rather just run everything at max. I miss when pushing raw power was actually a thing
I hear you but the tech will rapidly get better … AI will be so integral to our gaming experience that we will not even notice … I just hope that AMD is able to catch up on the software side.
At the time I was upgrading my PC back in Sep 2023 I was deciding between the Sapphire Nitro+ Radeon RX 7900 XTX and the ASUS TUF RTX 4080 OC. The Sapphire was available for $1799 and the TUF was on special for $1979. The TUF also came with Alan Wake II free code. In the end the 4080 won and I have not regretted the decision. The TUF runs cool, is extremely energy efficient, and its ray tracing performance is incredible. I am hoping the next generation of AMD RDNA 5 GPU's can at least match the ray tracing performance of nVidia. Given the development costs I think AMD will have a tough of it but I do want to see them succeed as we badly need competition in the GPU market.
I likely would have made the same decision at those price points ... I recently tested a TUF 4090 before upgrading the cooling solution with a GPU AIO and I have to say I really like the design of that card, so much so that it's my favorite air cooled design ... I think it looks better than the Strix.
@@blackbirdpctech The TUF 4080/4090 cooling solution is over engineered though and probably larger than it needs to be. My fans rarely spin up in most games I play. I notice ASUS is now seliing "ProArt" versions of their 4060/70/80 in a much more manageable 2.5 slot size which should be good for those who have smaller cases.
@@anorax001yeah those cooling solutions were developed to dissipate heat at 600w even though the 4080 uses way less … apparently Nvidia was playing around with the power target for their cards right up until the launch window. The ProArt cards are nice but they come with a large price premium.
Great video ! For the 4080 super, it's just a joke, they didn't even add any vram, just boosted it for 4-7% performance boost ... I bet all normal 4080 will fall in price. Do you think the 4090 will fall in price soon ? I mean the NVIDIA 5000 series will come by end of the year, its comming fast. The prices should fall, here in europe (france) a 4090 is arround 2000-3000k thats crazy !
Thank you!! For the 4090 I think the prices should come back down to msrp when Nvidia launches the 4090D for the Chinese market … unfortunately there is no direct competitor for the 4090 so Nvidia can take their time with the 5000 series. I’m hoping Intel battlemage will be strong.
@@blackbirdpctech yes we will see they launched 4090 yesterday. i think my self i am going with a 7900 xtx hellhound just waiting for 4000 super series to come out during january that the prices drop a bit 👌
@@darkness3038 I generated an updated gaming efficiency chart to reflect the leaked performance and price of a 4080 Super (see pinned comment) … interesting results 😉
Aim for the 1500$ but buy a 7900xtx AND a 7800x3D .... with this insane pricing theese days even the 7900XT has become a good choice... I bought a 7900xtx xfx merc black on release day and im happy since ! just clean install the drivers and sometimes use older versions of em but in general it is a VERY good GPU
I generated an updated gaming efficiency chart to reflect the leaked performance and price of a 4080 Super (see pinned comment) … interesting results 😉
I agree that Nvidia is unlikely to lower prices of existing cards or to price Super cards lower than their existing non-Super counterparts. That would be very un-Nvidia-like. Also, it would piss off retailers who still have stocks of the earlier cards, and probably inbound orders as well; pricing Supers at or below their predecessors' MSRPs could force at-a-loss sales of the older cards. But then, for example, who with working brain cells would buy a 4070Ti, for whatever price, if a 4070Ti Super could be had for the same or less money? That's just not going to happen. I suspect Nvidia will slot the Supers into the existing price gaps and leave non-Super prices where they are. I'd really like to be wrong here.
Yeah, that’s my thinking … won’t have to wait too long to find out since CES is next week … it would be awesome if they aggressively priced the the 4080 Super at $999 but I just don’t see why they would, especially if it beats the 7900 XTX in non-RT performance.
Even if AI hits a brick wall and demand falls off (which I don’t see happening) I have a feeling Nvidia is going to at least try to move to just making GPUs for game streaming for the masses. Sure they’ll still sell GPUs because internet around the world still sucks for the majority of people so streaming isn’t viable, but I don’t foresee prices falling. I’m just hoping Intel stock holders/board don’t kill the GPU program, it’s be a very short sited outlook.
you can easily make these AMD cards not look so bad people who dont use AMD as a normal and main gpu dont seem to know how to use them properly, undervolt it, turn on SAM overclock her turn on motion fluid and your games look so good in 4k and run 60fps locked shoot multiple games i get over 100fps in 4k on ultra settings
Apologies for my earlier reply, I accidentally responded with the wrong reply to the wrong comment (was trying to reply to as many comments as possible). Fundamentally I agree with your statement. I created an overclock guide in my latest video to help people who are not familiar with the process. Thanks for your comment.
I want to upgrade my gpu and i used i5 13600k. In my country, 4080, 4080s, and 7900 xtx have same price arround $1070. I do editing video and gaming. I mostly play single / coop games not competitive one. I prefer good quality than fps because i love to see scenery of each game. Then, Which card is best pick for me?
@@blackbirdpctechactually, 4090 pick my interest. just jump for 4090. but my current pc use i513600k and z790 gaming gigabyte motherboard. i feel 4090 too good for my setup because i see people build 4090 always with high end cpu and motherboard. anyway, i found seller who sell new 4090 for $1602.
My video for next week is on the 4090 … comparing it to the 4080S to see if it’s worth it … great card but doesn’t really deliver value the same way that the 4080S does. If you are playing games at 4K then your cpu will be ok.
Just to note as of video release, (about to get into it) the 4080 Strix is $650 more dearer than the Nitro XTX in Australia currently, 4080 White Strix at $2350 while the XtX at $1699 something that is also hopefully factored into the debate, while looking forward to watching the video now... Peace
Good content, I would love to see you review and test the new 7600 xt when it comes out. I do like the big cards but to be completely honest I am more of a budget gamer and while those big cards are great, I'll never afford one. The rx 7600 xt is supposed to have 16 gb from the rumors I have read online and I would like to see if it would be a card I want to future proof my build.
I’m planning to compare the Arc A770 vs 4060 vs 7600 … all at about the same price point … will definitely review the 7600xt when it’s released … thanks for the suggestion.
There is no doubt that AI demand is helping to drive prices higher but the fundamental problem is lack of competition … the 4090 has no direct competitor, that’s why Asus can launch a $4,000 version and it sells out. If Nvidia launches the 4080 Super at $999 then the 7900 XTX will drop in price, that’s what healthy competition looks like.
As someone who bought a 7900xtx I honestly wouldn't recommend it IF you're big into emulating and such. AMD drivers still have issues with a lot of modern emulators and ever certain games, to this day. I ended up trading my 7900xtx for a 4080 after about a year because the driver issues bothered me far too much. However, if you're just a general gamer who plays new games and some older games you'll likely see little differences between the cards besides RT performance. So, at the end of the day it's down to what you plan to use the card for.
Rtx 4080s if sold at 999, 7900 xtx if it drops below 900 to compete. If you have an rtx 3080, 3090 etc, 1440p gaming, don't buy till 5 series unless you have cash to burn. The 4080s will be the biggest value gain but this depends if the rumored price is correct at 999 us.
@@TheSavageB I updated the gaming performance chart to reflect the proposed performance and cost for the 4080 Super (see pinned comment) ... pretty interesting.
Which one of these 2 cards would be best for a triple screen sim racing setup? Mainly play games like iRacing, Assetto Corsa, ACC, BeamNG, and occasionally MS Flight Sim. I run 3 32" 1440p 165hz monitors, sometimes use VR with an old Oculus. Right now my 1080ti is doing great with the triples @ 1080p (80-100fps). I hear Nvidia is still the way to go with triples and VR especially with iRacing. I have no issues with surround right now and am happy with the experience (heard eyefinity was abandoned years ago and doesn't work well). However, AMD seems like better value per fps so I'm at a real toss up on this one. Leaning towards getting the 4080Super if it's priced at $999. XTX still seems really tempting with its 24g vram and cheaper price though. Opinions anyone?!?!
Great question … I provided an updated gaming efficiency chart for the rumored launch price and performance for a 4080 Super. However, the Strix has three DP outputs and 2 hdmi whereas the nitro+ has two of each (although the DP ports are 2.0), so for the 3 monitor setup I think it would be easier with the strix (3 DP cables) versus mixing 2 DP with 1 hdmi (although that should work).
I know that Ray Tracing has been purposely associated with Nvidia but if you step back and look at the technologies it becomes clear that RT is simply a better way of drawing graphics. The challenge is the way RT is implemented today ... Nvidia and AMD both "cheat" because their cards don't have the horsepower necessary to do full path tracing. But mark my words, full path tracing is the future and the next few generations of cards and games will embrace it. Rasterization still looks amazing today, but there will be a large shift away as GPU's get more powerful.
It’s funny, I took a guess at the performance improvement before it was released (I actually guessed right at 4k) and generated an updated gaming efficiency chart that you can access through the pinned comment. The $200 price cut improves things but the strix is still overpriced … the founders edition is in my opinion a much better option. I genuinely like both cards … I would still currently go for the sapphire nitro+ if I had to choose and I didn’t want to spend extra on a 4090. But you can’t go wrong with either card.
@@blackbirdpctech So I ended up purchasing a 4080s within 2 days of the Sapphire and did my own bake off with the games I play. Ended up keeping the 4080s. The XTX was nice and I'm sure I would have been happy with it, BUT the 4080s has better performance in most of my games and obviously the ones I play with RT, there was no comparison.
Tough choice now with the Super out, I mean the XTX (XFX Merc) is still good $150 cheaper in my country than the 4080S (PNY XLR8). Big dilemma, I really like the Radeon Adrenalin software and also looks of the Merc (yeah I know looks but if you are already buying something expensive it should also look good in the case). However, my case is quite airflow restricted and XTX would probably cook itself even undervolted when the more efficient 4080S runs way cooler (especially the PNY one). One option would also be wait for the RDNA4 which is supposed to be not really a high-end but 4nm so more efficient and 8800 XT almost XTX levels with 200-ish TDP? Still only speculations. Great video!
@@akirohitan4698 Heya, ended up with the 7900 XTX especially since I had an open-box for the XT price, good deal. It's the XFX Merc which is tad louder than ASUS TUF (but that one is also more expensive) but after fiddling with the fan curve it's silent and never goes over 67*C.. Really love the Merc design.
@@Math1eu- I cover my overclock methodology along with the software I use in my "Is Water Cooling Really Worth It?" video ... happy to provide guidance if you get stuck.
Hey. I am going for the rx 7900xtx Hellhound cause it's 200€ less than the nitro. I need some help. What's the best (250-350€) motherboard for 9 7950x3D? (2x32GB ddr5 6000 mhz+WD 4TB)
@@blackbirdpctech the aorus master is 500€ . I just feel that is to expensive for a motherboard. Which rog strix are you refering to? Do you think i should downgrade something and get the master? Like the WD 4TB for 303€?
@@hugo49idon’t downgrade your other components … I’m just looking at US prices … the strix x670e-f should be a better price point for you or the Asrock steel legend
I went with the XTX at $900 USD when the cheapest local nearby 4080 was $1050+. 24gb, better average native rasterization performance, and personally I think AMD Adrenalin software is wayyy better than nvidia control panel
From what I understand on research Ive done is that 7900 XTX isnt too good with VR especially on iRacing being that iRacing is more optimized for Nvidia. So thats the one thing keeping me from AMD..
Interesting, I didn't think to test it in VR ... I have a Valve Index so perhaps I could do some benchmarks for VR games ... I'm curious to understand if running VR puts a higher load on your CPU or is it mostly placed on your GPU. Thanks for your comment.
@@blackbirdpctech I think its game dependent too. I know iRacing is CPU Single Core heavy but its also nvidia prefered vs AMD aswell. I run a i7-12700k with a 3070ti and have almost all eye candy and settings maxed out. I havent played many other VR games out there but it would be a fun test now as there really isnt too many tests for VR
I’m building my first gaming PC and one of these GPU’s are going to be in my build. The question is, which? I value frames, graphics and good color/smooth lighting or gamma when gaming, I will also be doing moderate editing (nothing crazy). I’m getting a 165hz 1440p monitor along with the build.
Tough choices are good because that means the options are both good. Between these cards I would go with the sapphire nitro, the cost premium for the strix isn’t worth it imo. I did however just finish comparing a reference model 7900xtx with a reference model 4080 Super … both cards were $999 … the 4080 Super won that one … the video will be up next Thursday.
I have a 7900 XTX Taichi running with a 7800X3D. I can not stand the Adrenalin soft ware and lack of driver updates. Nvidia is miles ahead in the driver updates and software. HellDivers 2 hates 7000 series and I have to disable most the in game settings to keep it from crashing. So stupid I am so done with the 7900XTX I will put back my old 3080TI till I get the 4080 Super.
I can understand your frustration … the latest driver release caused a few issues … if I was you I would wait and see if the issues get fixed in the next release, since you already have the card. If they don’t then get a 4080 Super.
Don't have to wait long ... hopefully Nvidia prices their new cards aggressively but I doubt they will ... even if they don't AMD is likely to counter with a price decrease.
I generated an updated gaming efficiency chart to reflect the leaked performance and price of a 4080 Super (see pinned comment) … interesting results 😉
I don’t think so but if it sells for $999 that would be fantastic and likely and would drop the price of the 7900 xtx. I will make a new efficiency chart incorporating the rumors (price/performance) and pin it to this post later today … should be interesting.
I just updated the gaming efficiency chart to incorporate the proposed price and performance for the 4080 Super (see pinned comment) ... the 7900 XTX still looks pretty good.
@@niwi4498I have one game in the benchmark suite that includes DLSS/FSR on (Cyberpunk 2077) … Nvidia currently does it better as shown by the result … but just remember, the 3-5% performance uplift doesn’t get better with DLSS on, it will still be 3-5%.
Back in March 2023 I went with a Gainward RTX 4080 Phantom GS version because it was relatievly cheap back then and I count with resell value. I always sell my GPU when I upgrade and usually in my expereince nVidia cards sells better and for higher price on the used market than AMD cards.
That's true. Nvidia has higher resale value. You can get an old 5700 xt for less than a 1080, when the 5700xt is a more powerful, more recent card. That's pure brand irrationality... Crazy
Prices on the 4080s have dropped locally where I am just this week which equates to ~$300usd (the prices here locally are much higher overall, 7900xtx variants are currently more expensive atm by about $125+usd equivalent) - I can see the new 4080 supers slotting back in to the prices these 4080s just were, same seen with the 4070 and 4070 super prices and new prices here right now.
I bought my first AMD gpu last year (6700xt) and i just couldnt stand how FSR looks. No matter how much I tinkered with the settings I just couldnt get good frames with good image quality. Everything looked too grainy. I bought a 4090 and havent looked back.
@blackbirdpctech I got the 4090 suprim liquid non x. Although, I bought the 4090, the 7900xtx sapphire nitro + card looks awesome that I want to buy it just because how it looks.
@@TheSoxor123 great card … I was super impressed by MSI at CES, they have one card in particular that I love … will show it in my CES video next week.
considering the price of the 4080 super at 999 is confirmed i would say the advantage now goes to the 4080 i personally think amd needs to respond with at minimum 100 price cut to the 7900xtx if not 150-200 to stay competitive. and this coming from someone who running amd graphics card. the value proposition of dlss, nvenc encoder, plus way better ray tracing even at pretty much same rasterization performance makes 7900xtx at 999 a poor deal 799 would for sure make 7900xtx the better buy because even at 899 4080 may be the better buy. 849 would probably make the better buy go towards 7900xtx.
I provided an updated gaming efficiency chart to reflect the price and projected performance improvement of a Strix 4080 Super … it’s pinned in the comments … interesting result. That said I agree with you that AMD should respond with a price cut to the 7900 xtx … that would be great for consumers.
Been absolutely loving the 4080. Card runs very cool and pretty much matches the 7900 XTX while using 100 watts less. Kinda shows just how far Nvidia is from AMD
Agreed, the power efficiency is pretty amazing … that’s the reason why they can release a super. I hope amd releases a 7950 xtx but I’m concerned that they are already pushing up against their power limit.
Got both GPUs around same prices. Nvidia is a better power efficiency GPU while AMD has often more raw FPS, but at a cost: huge powerdraw. My Sapphire VaporX is eating 500W++ for breakfast, my Gigabyte RTX is around 300W for a bit less fps. Though, even @500W++ the Sapphire XTX is quieter than the Gigabyte RTX OC.
The Sapphire VaporX is an awesome card … I heavily overclocked my card and put it up against a 4090 (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nJysFsy84LM.htmlsi=pw5B2WqBYaLp84zq) … it actually did extremely well.
I think the new 4080 pricing is high but reasonable in the current market … $1,200 was a big money grab. Wasn’t too long ago that the 80 series was $500 … hopefully we can get back there with additional competition from Intel.
Exactly what i did.. i look prices, look what i need... I bought 7900 xtx Nitro+ and Platinum 1200w power supply and i had arround $100 extra to buy a game for price of 4080 Strix.. It's time to use your brains guys.. before purchase, put all on paper and calculate, it's your money. Yes both cards are overpriced.. i am aware of that, we are all aware of that.. but comparing those 2.. it's no brainer for me.. unless you are for some reason in love with nvidia... you got turned on on Jensen in leather jacket or something.. lol
I generated an updated gaming efficiency chart to reflect the leaked performance and price of a 4080 Super (see pinned comment) … interesting results 😉
tuf rx 7900 xtx or nitro spahire or zotac trininty 4080 all price at same here dont know which to buy plan on doing some 3d rendering playing games and using cad and others any suggestions
Do you have specific programs that you plan to use? Of those cards I would go with the sapphire nitro+ however if an application performs better with an Nvidia card then you might want to consider the 4080.
I bought the TUF and it’s really cool for overclocking, the Nitro is the best rated I think but it was a couple of hundred more where I am so not worth the extra money
I provided an updated gaming efficiency chart for the rumored 4080 Super performance and price (see pinned comment) … be careful mixing apples and oranges, that price is for the base model not a card like the strix.
The crazy thing is I really like Nvidia products but the price premium here just doesn’t make sense … the benefit of not having them sponsor you is that I can call it how I see it 😉
@@blackbirdpctech sure I get it! They deserve praise for the good stuff they've put out. But for me as someone who wants performance but with price as a huge factor I have to give it up to AMD. And I don't care if I'm poor-shamed for it either. AMD also is unfairly maligned for their driver support, which at this point is an obsolete stereotype
@@EzaneeGires you shouldn't be poor-shamed ... AMD makes some amazing products ... I would argue that they are ahead of Intel in CPU's. I agree with you on their drivers ... I really like Adrenalin and they push out updated drivers constantly. They got a bad name for themselves with software drivers many years ago when they were struggling so unfortunately that tends to stick ... that's why it's important that we as consumers speak out about our positive experiences and not just the negative ones. And by the way, $1,000 for a GPU is in no way cheap ... it's just "cheap" relative to the ultra expensive Nvidia offerings 😉
@@EzaneeGires I generated an updated gaming efficiency chart to reflect the leaked performance and price of a 4080 Super (see pinned comment) … interesting results 😉
I picked up the Asus tuff 7900xtx OC edition for 1200 cad. I don't regret it at all, it was a no brainer. I'm looking for raw performance. Don't care for RT. Even with Nvidia's new "super" seires, prices won't be much different. So I pulled the trigger.
Waiting for the 4080 super but leaning more towards the 7900xtx sapphire nitro+. I don’t really care about RT although is nice in games but without it games still look very nice. Idk will see once the 4080 super gets announced and showcased.
@@xbox360J I generated an updated gaming efficiency chart to reflect the leaked performance and price of a 4080 Super (see pinned comment) … interesting results 😉
I had the Nitro saohire 7900xtx "check my profile". I now have a Rog 4090. I play mainly VR combat flight sims and a few flat screen games as well. I tried for months bit AMD pissed me off with poor VR performance as its decent for regular games and a few VR. It gave me issues un DCS world were im constaly adjusting settings because I could have it perfect, restart the game or pc exactly everything the same and game judders and ghost like hell... 🤬
Always AMD. They care for the customers. They care for open source. They care for open standards. To hell with Ngreedia and all of their anticonsumer cr ap.
@@blackbirdpctech that's the problem, a 4090 is a halo GPU, not a regular GPU for general population. Nothing against you, but people like you (providing info to consumers looking for info) will feel that they need to purchase a 4090 no matter the price and that is just wrong on so many levels. First and foremost, US$2K is beyond offensive to pay for a gaming GPU and should not be pushed as a good thing. It's an insult to consumers. Second, if you cared about anything moral, you would not say that you like Ngreedia. Don't fall for the paid shills like LTT or Ngreedia Unboxed, we need more honest reviewers.
@@grtitann7425I agree with the need for honest reviews, that’s why I buy these components myself. I happen to know Jensen and he’s a great guy … Nvidia is ahead of the competition because of the tough investments he made. Unfortunately Nvidia and AMD are publicly traded companies so they are driven by quarterly profit … that in my opinion is the problem. If AMD had the technology they would behave the same way as Nvidia, the same way Intel did when they had no competition. I respect your opinion but I genuinely don’t think any of these companies are better than the other.
@@blackbirdpctech I know that they only care for their shareholders, but as I stated on my first post, at least AMD does certain things better that can be labeled pro consumer, unlike Ngreedia. That have shown over and over that they don't care for anybody but themselves. And we are worse if we decide to ignore that behavior and continue bending over for dear leader Jensen. I don't care how good their crap is, I do my absolute best in keeping my money away from them.
its easy, if you dont need RT, then get whichever is cheaper, if you want RT, then 100% get 4080... also, considering how msrp (which might not matter at all) of 4080 super will be 999, and it beating 4080 3-6%, then 4080 super might become easily better then 7900xtx
The 7900 xtx can do RT (look at the cyberpunk 2077 results), it just doesn’t implement it as well as nvidia and their 4000 series … when Nvidia first implemented RT with their RTX series all of the large RU-vidrs gave them crap and look at the result … they are now a generation ahead of AMD … it’s truly impressive.
If the 4080 super somehow outperforms the 7900xtx by a few frames (I’m just nitpicking at this point) I will get the 4080 super. 😅 I’m really leaning towards the 7900xtx but I’m waiting to see the 4080 super and how it performs.
@@xbox360J i mean atm 4080 without RT is like 1-3% different then 7900xtx. 4080 super leaks promise beating 7900xtx by 3-6%, so it would average a few fps higher then 7900xtx...
I disagree … it will take some time to get benchmarks for the new 4080 super (and longer for the higher end custom models) so you can use this to help you make an informed buying decision in advance. For example, if the claim is 10% better FPS but the cost stays the same you can look at the gaming efficiency chart numbers and see if it makes sense.
@@blackbirdpctech All I am saying is: If you cannot buy the 4080 soon and only the Super this comparison here doesn't appeal to most people anymore. Of course also depends on how fast the normal 4080 will sell out.
@@Hexenkind1I understood what you were saying, what I’m saying is that the performance of the 4080 super will be a consistent delta boost to the 4080 across the board … it’s basically the same card, so you can use these charts to rapidly determine if the performance/cost makes a difference. That’s why I added the gaming efficiency chart, to help people who are considering purchasing a 4080 super.
@@blackbirdpctech Fine. I just think nobody will search for a 4080 vs 7900 XTX comparison anymore once only the Super is available and nothing else even though potential Super buyers get useful information out of this video. They only would know that if they actually click it and watch it.
@@Hexenkind1fair point … as soon as I get my hands on a super I can check it out … I’m curious how AMD will respond … will be good to let the market settle after the launch of the super before comparing.
@@ScoutReaper-zn1rzWhich is why I would prefer to buy the RX 7900 XTX and still get a stunning gaming experience at 2/3 the total cost my build would have been had I went with an RTX 4090. Even if I had that budget to afford a 4090, the extra $1,000+ it costs could instead be used on other things to enhance my setup like a 240Hz OLED monitor or even for building up a massive stockpile of games to play. The RTX 4090 is undeniably the best graphics card currently available, but despite how good it is, I do not deem that it is worth the steep price it goes for when compared to the price-for-performance you get with other cards.
@@Armageddon325 I get ya. Nothing wrong with that. I like to play at 4K and the 4090 shines in 4K. But if you're happy with your build then that's all that matters.
if i have 1000€ i buy the amd bcz its much cheaper then team whale(green) prices, the 4080 costs 1500€ the 4070ti costs 990€ so why i choose nvidia? (iam amd gamer at linux) :D if i can get it for same price is buy the rx7900xtx because nvidia sucks at linux! and windows sucks for me :D i love intel for the linux drivers next gpu i buy in 2025?2026? is a intel
where the fuck 4080 costs 1550 USD lol???? in europe i bought 4080 with tax for 1050 usd which is same price of XTX... i wouldt be stupid if i took XTX lol
This is the Asus ROG Strix variant, which is way over priced but surprisingly sells well. For roughly that price it would be better to simply get a 4090.
i just recenlty purchase an xtx 7900 powercolour hellhound two days ago and will soon have it by next week finally i be ditching my 3080 no more nvidia for me bwahahhahahaha I hope i won't regret buying since i never had any amd gpu before let alone my cpu is the r7 7800x3d 🤣
I bought SAPPHIRE AMD RX 7900 XTX VAPOR-X NITRO+ five days ago,but i (maybe) made a mistake for not going with 4080.I have errors with card related to drivers and card is crashing with a lot of my games.I didn't know about this driver issues with AMD cards.
Are you running any overclocks? Even the slightest bit? RAM or CPU? And yes, running even your XMP/DOCP settings is still an overclock. Let's try to diagnose this because AMD drivers being bad is nearly a decade old meme that hasn't held up truthful in a looong time.
I guess this summary didn't age well now did it? The 4080S is only $50 from the 7900XTX. The 4080S is better because it can handle RT better and DLSS is better than FSR, so a $50 premium for that isn't too bad, IMHO.
If you look at the pinned comment I took a guess at the 4080 Super performance (4% which turned out to be accurate at 4K) and gave the Strix variant that was tested a $200 price cut … the 7900 XTX still beat it by a significant margin in gaming efficiency. Not sure why you think the summary didn’t age well … I would argue that it’s aged extremely well given that the 4080S provides no meaningful increase in performance.
@@blackbirdpctech First, your final comparison was on the 4080 not the 4080S. At $1000, compared to the $1,100 Saphire XTX, I'd go 4080S all day. Even at $50 less for the XTX I'd go 4080S because of much better RT performance. Your win-loss chart is a bit lacking and potentially misleading. You show "wins", but you don't show by what percentage. Most reviews I have seen put the 4080 and 7900XTX on par as far as gaming performance, at least in raster. We could cherry-pick games that favor Nvidia and that chart would look completely different. And when you turn on RT, the 4080 pulls ahead. At $1000 I think it's a better choice versus the XTX. Now, to be fair, paying $1,000 or even $950 is a bit expensive for just game play and I would say that neither of these cards are sensible choices for gaming.
@tclark5481 let me address all of the items you bring up: 1. As I mentioned I added a new gaming efficiency chart before the 4080 Super was released ... it was included as a pinned comment. It turns out my prediction of 4% at 4K was spot on. That additional chart shows that with a 4% performance boost and $200 price cut, the Asus Strix 4080S is still about 25% lower FPS/$ than the Sapphire Nitro+ 7900 XTX. 2. My win-loss chart is 100% accurate. It is a high level summary that is presented AFTER I show the detailed benchmarks for every game, as well as a 14 game summary. 3. Most reviewers have no idea what they are doing. I explain my benchmarking approach in one of my earlier videos and why the way most reviewers do benchmarking is fundamentally flawed. Happy to put my credentials and results up against any tech RU-vidr that you can find. Having a lot of subscribers doesn't equate to knowledge or accuracy. 4. The games within my benchmark suite were selected because they are repeatable and therefore are extremely useful for accurate benchmarking. With respect to RT, I did turn on RT in Cyberpunk 2077 ... I ran the game at RT Ultra settings. The 4080 wins and it's in the results. 5. The Asus ROG Strix 4080 and 4080 Super are not $1,000 ... that's the entire point ... they are significantly more expensive, even with the $200 price cut. Please feel free to show me where you can buy that card for $1,000US. I respect and appreciate the fact that you are engaging in a discussion but if you are going to throw words like "misleading" around on my channel then make sure you are accurate. One final point ... I genuinely don't care about brand ... you can checkout my new video on the 4070 Super versus 7800 XT ... in that video I strongly recommend the 4070 Super. I let the data do the talking and try my best to take "feelings" out of the benchmarking process.
You should buy nothing of them. Over priced since release. Wait until RTX 5080 comes out with new and better AI Technologie, amd is nothing against Nvidia and DLSS
Incorrect. 7900 XT literally gets a worse framerate in cyberpunk with RT on than a 3070. 7900 XT cannot even break 60fps at 1080p man... its 15fps at 4k in cyberpunk. @@mrclean234
