Should you Buy the Ball Bearing or Journal Bearing Turbo? 

This is by far the best Subaru related channel. You inspired me to build a new turbo Subaru for myself. Currently I'm working on fixing my 2002 outback head gaskets and conrod bearings :D

2:32 from a ex skater/BMXr ... I salute you. You DANG right BONE SWISS. BTW, I know this is a old vid, but your content has helped SOOOOOOOOOOOO much with my VA WRX build. When I research, you're one of my first references.

As a proud owner of a street driven STI with a Dom1.5 XTR setup you'd have a very hard time convincing me to go back to a JB turbo.. Great info for those on the potential lookout for upgrades, T!

Love your edumacation content. So clear and informative. I also share your sentiments on Turbo Timers....

Thank you for the video and knowledge! This will help for a future purchase for sure

I learned something new today! I had no idea about the cooling fins on the cartridge of a ball bearing vs journal bearing. I thought that was just design differences between brands or size of turbo 🤔. Better smack that WRX off the limiter for a minute straight bud 100k is coming fast! 👀 This was an unreal video 🤙🏼

Love the video very informative in a understandable way.

Awesome video. Practical application of turbos and use the saved money for something to support the engine.

Keep these educational videos coming as well bro we want all the smeedia content! 🔥

So much info man i love it 🙌 thank you for another banger

This is just the question I was wondering about, thank you!

Good video! I learnt something 👍🏼

Good info! Educated me on a couple things.

I would love to change my car to a six cylinder after hearing the sound, yours made. Just beautiful!

Love your videos it’s helping me get through a rough patch in my life. I’m happy watching you because of your positive attitude and enthusiasm. I don’t know you personally but I love you man keep it up. Thank you for making peaceful videos and not being afraid to show your excitement that you have about your builds. Thanks.

Oooh that variable pressure restrictor on the ball bearing oil line is exactly the right thing to use and you can set it up for many turbos and scenario.

Beautiful info good sir thank you. Love it

Probably don’t remember but I commented on your channel year ago at this point about you hitting 100k subs I see that it’s coming to a reality soon. You deserve it man

Whats us man, new subcriber here. Let me first say I'm catching up on videos but so far this channel is the best I've seen so far! Great info and honesty! I just recently bought me a 21 wrx premium and was curious, what is that reliable HP I can see without risking sending a piston into space😅 Just looking for a good daily and once I get my feet wet I'll be looking into getting an STI and building it up. Love the content and keep those videos rolling💪

Great video...a lot of ppl brag about having a ball bearing turbo or make a face if you mention your turbo upgrade was journal vs bb...it makes no difference except they admit they basically over paid for a street/weekend set up lol. I had a journal bearing in my 91 miata and made 300whp reliably without issues for about 20k miles before it sat and i just ended up selling it. i just bought a big turbo upgrade for my 2016 FoST and its journal bearing..still can make 500whp all day long and has both oil and coolant cooling.. i saved a ton by not buying a ball bearing upgrade that wont be a 'high horsepower/track beast!!!!!!' lol. I was curious about the side to side turbine play myself when i got mine..i opened it up and was like 'hmm...theres a tiny bit of shaft play'...but then realized it was normal ^_^

I got the base model of this car, fwd drive, but still love it

Dope content thank you 🔥

Yesss I love talkin about turbos theirs so much misinformation I love it when people can actually explain it 🤘

Thanks for this. Wasn't sure if I should go with the Garrett G22-350 journal bearing for half the cost. Save myself a few bucks.

Maybe do a journal bearing turbo rebuild video in the future? Awesome content thanks bro. Which part of WA are you out of?

"We're gunna dingle the balls we're gunna play with the shaft" aight bro lmfao

Thank you for making the turbo video very informative 100k on the way.

Knowledge matters. BBE going strong💪 thanks for the basics on the differences.

I love my ball bearing Garret GTX, great response.

Great turbo knowledge. I love the display/teaching moments like this, fun to learn stuff!

thank you very much

Glad they don’t have a rule about if can’t hold you’re turbo can’t use it lol. Got a ball bearing turbo from a vf48 and love it.

Cool video as always🤙🏼

This will help since I need a new one

Always good to know a little bit more about snails 🐌

Always wondered about the difference. One quick comment. I work with some R&D guys at Borg Warner and they said for water cooled turbos unless you just absolutely beat on the car, it only needs to idle for 5-10 sec after you park before turning it off. Thermal syphoning keeps coolant moving through the turbo after the car is off and continues to pull heat from the turbo.

Thanks for tutorial teacher, will there be a quiz at the end of the week. Great explanation Tanner. Any reason why you wouldn't run dual turbos? 🤔🤔🤔

Havent heard anyone say bones swiss since the 90s in my speedskating days. Happydance!!!

Perfect!! I’m currently looking at what turbo to buy for my new broke wrx….TD04..?..CARB..?..Cuz I live in the state that sucks!!!!…..Thanks!!!!

Another banger. I’ve contemplated running the turbo smart restrictor on my ball bearing blouch. I’ve observed if I start the car then shut it right back off, before warming up, the car will burn off oil when started again for the first few miles. Good CLTs, compression, correct turbo restrictor, proper crankcase ventilation with AOS etc. Car doesn’t smoke at all outside of this occurrence. A coworker with some Porsche knowledge claims he’s seen it on modified Porsche turbos and may be inherent to the engine design. Anyone have any experience with this phenomena?

Hey smeedia you should try the bcp x500+ or x500r in your new GD. Would love to here your review on that stock location turbo that uses the stock inlet size. It is journal bearing but would still love a review

I went with the Tomei ARMS M7960 for something a bit more unique, and i have no complaints. Sounds beautiful and zero shaftplay, looks bling af too, still have yet to see anyone else with one to compare.

I have an 08 Legacy GT Spec.B with an FP blue Journal bearing with an ETS Fmic and the turbo lag is crazy compared to stock. I wish I would’ve got a bigger turbo then the FP blue but also ball bearing. I have to run 93 octane cuz there’s no E85 near me😢. 365hp on a mustang dyno. I was hoping for 400

Can’t wait to hear that Whrrrrrrr!

Lucky for me, MHI (Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, who makes the stock turbo to the Type R) makes a stage 2 version thereby keeping it somewhat OEM

When are you going to get the sti with that big ass turbo done? Can’t wait

A ball bearing turbo does not spool much sooner rpm-wise, it has almost exactly the same rpm to boost pressure curve as on a journal bearing(boost treshold). The difference is that the ball bearing spins up faster resulting in less "turbo lag". That means you might have the same boost level/rpm of the car few tenths of a second sooner vs a journal bearing. The effect is usually more pronounced at low and midrange and shrinks to little to no difference at higher rpms (there is much more exhaust velocity and volume driving the turbine, making the higher resistance of the journal bearing affect less on the acceleration of the turbocharger's axle) If you want a turbocharger to spool up sooner in the rpm range you should consider decreasing the turbine or turbine housing size. (has a negative effect on top-end) Increasing the compressor size might also help, but i presume to a smaller degree.

I was torn between vf30 and vf34. Bought vf34 hoping to get quicker boost 🤷‍♂️

Did you like the FP Blue on V1 of Blue? I'm considering a FP Blue or Green for my 2015 sti. Probably going with Ethanol too. (TypeRA Long block with cyl 4 cooling mod and all the killer B oiling goodies. I'd go FMIC or larger TMIC in the process, still deciding.)

almost 100k!

I love that I haven’t bought a skateboard in 10 years and bones Swiss are still the standard for high quality bearings

Hey man I've got a blown VF48 and it'd be cool to see a vid on rebuilding them. Do you have any experience with the melett cartridges from the UK? heard Blingstrom had good experience

Did you get the oil coaking butter analogy from Robert ? He said the exact same thing few years ago

Just bought the turbo smart regulator for my build, did you run the return or plug it?

Very very cool!!😎👍🏻👍🏻

WOW 👍🏆💥 you are the Turbo man Yes 🏁

Good video but one more thing can you hold that turbo up one more time 😂

Great info !!! Is there a standard for determining turbo size for engines?? And the difference between automatic and manual transmission applications?? I know most of it depends on how power you want to generate vs useable power band for when boost comes on…

Outstanding information... Personally, I have a 9 Blade Billet Wheel/custom Ball Bearing VF48.. obviously its 'worked'.. but it spools about 1400 rpms... with full boost at 2k.. Made 367 to the wheels on my GD with a stock 257... Catted downpipe and TGV's... I love how soon it comes on.. Has alot of grunt down low. but also pulls all the way to redline :) just another configuration out of all the choices out there. :)

I’m doing a custom build on my 14 wrx now that I have a second wrx lol. I’m working on a custom rotated kit with a holset hx30 turbo. I don’t know shit about this turbo but I do know they’ll make a lot of power on diesels. A lot of work hahahah

I went with vf48 hf and cerakoted it sig pink

Hey I've had my 1993 subaru gc8 for about 2 years now and want to go with a ej257 and idk what to do for a harness and ecu

Ball bearing turbo will spool faster supposedly, and if oiled correctly should be reliable and last forever as long as the oil isn’t contaminated. Or overheated

Hi mate ,can i use a SCANIA truck turbo charger on my 3000gt twin turbo to a single turbo.

Very Good Video but maybe do these kinda videos at a bench or something so you can have the Turbo/part in front of you. You're wearing me out just looking at you wear yourself out. Otherwise love your content. Keep up the good work

Can you put a precision turbo in a stock location on an 18 sti

Cooling fins on the CHRA isn't really a good way of identify whether a turbo is ball-bearing or not. They aren't present on any small frame turbochargers. Maybe for big stuff like that Precision you have

Do you have any videos on EWG/IWG? reason I ask is because I have to run IWG due to not being able to get my ewg flange welded in time before I gotta tune. We don't have a shop so we have to wait until our tuner flys over lol

I learned something new.

Isn't it the case if you spend a few minutes just cruising after a spirited run you're not gonna have to worry about coking? Rather than if you just got off a hot lap on the track and shut it right off

Also bb turbos can be pushing harder than the same turbo in a jb when your pushing them to the max

9:20 Don't listen to him... DO IT! DO IT DO IT DO IT!! 🤣

Dude can’t wait till you put some sound treatment up in that room lol. Reverb is off the chain haha

Are there any water-cooled BB turbos? Which one is better for dose and flutter (running no/delayed BOV)? I'm definitely running a street car application, but I want maximum response and an extra low boost threshold even on a medium to big-ish turbo. 2.5L to 3.5L displacement (haven't decided yet) 500-700whp.

Ngl, seeing you hold the 7675 up like that kinda scared me. I just kept thinking to myself "don't drop it" 😂😂

just bought a turbo last night THANK YOU, quick question how much front to back shaft play is normal? should there be none at all?

Garrett is a durable product and that what is important to me

😂 I Like this guy. Literally explained all the details in a lame man's term. Good job!

i can respect the bones swiss, i myself am a bronson man

OK so what happens when I mill a turbo core and put ball bearings in there?

So basically get a water cooled ball bearing turbo and have the best of both worlds! That’s exactly why I went with my Garrett turbo on my rotated street setup! Almost 100k bro let’s goooooo!!!! 🔥

So my 08 wrx has a td04, which I know is a journal bearing, I want to swap in a vf52. Is that a ball bearing or journal bearing?

speaking of turbos, think a grimmspeed BB500 turbo will be sufficient for my GV WRX? I'm looking at trying to end up with 450ish hp on ethanol with maybe a little room to grow. Not going to be going with a closed deck block more than likely just forged rods and pistons and a six speed to handle it. Going to be diving into it once I'm done refreshing the tired old EJ251 in my forester. With the wife getting a VB this month gotta make sure my car is faster lol!

Early gang gang! Ball bearing is the way toooooo!!!

So we both have FP reds, of course they are water cooled, but do you have to use the water? By choice and or testing purposes

I know you’re not a fan of the FA20 but are there any good after market options for turbos for that engine? I haven’t found much when looking around on the interwebs

I would love to know what the numbers on turbos mean. I am kind new to this stuff still so when someone says 6870 or 6262 or something I have no idea what that means. Thanks!

I am in no way trying to be an a$$#0!Le or sound condescending but I don't think all BB turbos have cooling fins. I personally have a Garrett GTX2860 Gen II *dual ball bearing* turbo and it doesn't have cooling fins so it may not be very accurate. 😕 Perhaps the fins are only for turbos that aren't water cooled. 🤔 Love your channel ❤

I guess your heads a little bit bigger. The knowledge to hourse power ratio is off the charts!!

Does anyone run a vgt turbo on a gas setup?

Great explanation. Do you have a brand that you prefer? I'm looking to install one on my 1989 CRX. What size is recommended for stock engines?

I even let my diesel truck turbo cool down after I pull over after a long hard pull

I just want an extra set of tires so I can be somewhat competitive at the track loo

We need a twin turbo cannon.

What about 18g, 20g what do these refer too?

Tanners knowledge + divorced 7675 = tanners your divorce expert

Ball bearings spool 15% quicker on average, you're saying you see that to be about 5 to 700 rpm on these cars more or less? That seems very significant

Tanner you should sell your vf49 😉

Spitfire classics?

Edit / WARNING LONG POST.. due to voice texting!!!!!! SORRY!! You’re not a fan of turbo timers??!😳🤷🏼‍♂️… really? Ahh well , you just said track use.. I am more of a have fun on the street type of guy while running errands ! 😂.. In Time is money ! Especially when supra= celebrity vibes.. it’s extremely easy to get very very delayed and be late if you’re driving around in your MK4 supra … stopping here and there , all around the square.. saying catch me if you can!..😂 Sometimes I really feel like being a jerk and just ripping away! Lol when I first got it, it was kind of cool the first couple days! And tell my family well if you ever want to feel what a celebrity feels like when they drive around or whatever, come for a ride with me😂.. But man is it getting annoying !! This is like my dream car, my ultimate favorite car, so I’m really trying to just bond with it , and drive around and get as as often as it’s nice out really! I have even been trying to like hide if I just want to chill in my cockpit and do whatever post on social media shopping on online stores. And these guys come out of nowhere. Couple kids on bicycles said we heard the car and saw it pulling into this parking lot so we got on our bicycles and literally rode as fast as we could. Last night I took my old friend. I haven’t seen in a while out for a drive to catch up. This was funny because I was driving to an O’Reillys parking lot because they were closed and I parked in between the line of like shop vehicles they had there. Do you know I’m trying to blend in a bit. Lol and I was literally telling my buddy about what happens.. And then he goes? Oh, who’s this!?? And I must not have been paying attention because we were having good conversations because this dude was like 10 feet away from my window walking towards me! So I was trying to tell myself to just calm down. Don’t get too upset. Be nice to the guy treat every person like they’re a new person..which they are. 😂 Talk quick I answer his questions I get back in my car, he gets back in his car with his friend and they are literally 15 feet from me, facing directly at me, just waiting🤷🏼‍♂️. Continued talking and having a couple drinks.. I would keep looking back and I was like what’s the deal with this guy? Why isn’t he leaving?? Finally, I got frustrated enough and just say let’s go somewhere else! Start the car back up and the guys trying to talk to me again plus record me . But off to a different hiding spot I wen What I was trying to say is, I am not the greatest as it is with arriving on time or even a little before. Then add in the random people wanting to have conversations and sometimes you can get three different people in one spot! So a turbo timer would really come in handy ! Literally just pulled into a parking lot. Shut the car off hop out real quick and run inside. Then it’s off to the next stop! I couldn’t imagine sitting in my car for ..🤔 .. hmm well now that I remember when I used those on my DSM’s we are back in the day. A lot of times you would just need to idle for 30 seconds or so not like a few minutes like I assumed .. it’s been a while. Or is is 1-3min on average after a pull 1-3rd!?