Hey I'm new to the game and just wanted to know which side is more fun in the long run forget who's good and who's bad I just wanna know who's more fun
@@astronomicalmoneymoves5946 That depends on which DLC's will be dropped, for now, the game is more enjoyable (in my opinion) if you side with UC, since you will still be able to kill pirates on mission, and not walk by them without doing anything. But if you like stealing and getting contraband, go for the pirates
@@astronomicalmoneymoves5946 I agree with Unfilterd. I went fleet, and piracy missions aren't great. Smuggling is just have shielded cargo, roll dice, then land and you're good. Stealing is pretty easy and uneventful, which just leaves piracy, which is either dialogue or space battle, and either way you rack up your bounty, and you rack up even more if you kill any other ships that aggro on you, so in the end, you spend more getting rid of your bounty than you earn on mission. Also, you earn Crimson Fleet bounty if you kill any of them, so you might just ignore missions that target them. Pirates get the better end mission though. Giant fight through the Vigilance getting help from every pirate you know vs "nice work, now go kill everyone in the key yourself" Fuck off Ikande
Here is the thing. I feel like it makes sense the uc are not completely hostile to you after siding with the crimson pirates. It's because you were an undercover agent. You weren't an official soldier and weren't in the uc database as one. Yes people know about the fall of the vigilance, but they don't know you are instrumental in that.
@@reallythateasy to that point, of you were the UC. You wouldn't want the public to know your failed operation led to the theft of your own technology, dessimation of your tier one navy, the destruction of your tip-of-the-spear spacecraft, and the empowerment of one of the settled systems most violent and tyrannical groups. That's the kind of thing you sweep under the rug if you want to maintain public trust.
@@reallythateasy even more so UC already blamed for Crimson Fleet being a thing in the first place. If public would found out, that UC actions allowed Crimson Fleet to become even stronger, it would be a PR nightmare.
Not only that, but if you listen to other UC members you'll find that the UC sees Ikande as running a fools errand. If anything it proves their stance they never should've invested in his efforts.
@@bernardwade8096choosing the fleet should be at least a little more rewarding. Siding with them is boring af, since the pirates are friendly to you now
Sided with UC at first. Sucked at sneaking around, so I had to blast my way out. This caused the UC to imprison me, so I escaped the Vigilance guns blazing and sided with the Crimson fleet at the end.
Yea I actually hate how the UC commander literally tells you to use any means necessary for the greater good even if that means killing innocent people which I killed like 2… and stunned the rest. Then he wants to fucking imprison me????? Just doing what you asked
The first time I did this I decided to storm the Key using an EM-modded Orion, so that SysDef could take as many prisoners as possible, because they seemed to be really big on arresting pirates rather than killing them and I thought that might get a special reward. I stunned every pirate onboard, talked my way past Delgado, and went to return to my ship. As soon as you walk back through the loading door between the main Key and the docking ports, every single pirate who wasn't actually dead follows you, stunned or not. About 30-40 pirates spawned on top of me and started shooting me from point-blank and stunlocking me with bash attacks, it took me a half-dozen tries to just sprint back to the docking ports without getting taken out in a hail of gunfire. And I didn't even get a special reward for it, either. 0/10 do not recommend.
I did similar things in my fantasy approach to play starfield. And was disappointed to see that my extra work did nothing and rewarded nothing, although it made sense in my mind. Turns out that starfield and most video games are very limited to display and process human fantasy
This also happened to me. But early in the game when I first arrived at the key. One person would start the aggro by saying I owe credits for a bounty. The 2 choices only was not getting anything from me. Or I ain’t paying you nothing. Which leads to an all out firefight. After taking out everyone. I entered the bar, that’s when all these pirates spawned all around me and ended up dying. Everytime I spawned they would spawn all around me. Leaving no chance to run away. In the end, I was able to fast travel to my docked ship. Then slept for 24 hours. When I went on board the key, it was like nothing happened. So I was able to progress forward. Lol 😂 Kind of disappointing, but no matter. As long as I was able to keep progressing. Instead of being stuck and loading earlier saves to remedy the situation.
The game should really have an update that switches out Crimson fleet encounters for Spacers or "unaffiliated Pirates" so that there is still actual combat - as much as I liked siding with the fleet, I have been left a bit disappointed at the lack of foresight on this by the developers. Hopefully it will either be fixed in a later update, or by the modding community Also, has anyone got a crap ton of spinning UC ships glitched at the key permanently now?
Oh yea would bee cool if for spacers or pirates there was random smaller factions that wanted to do their own thing, especially the cf, clearly there would be people who got kicked out or didn't like the leadership enough to form their own groups
i actually like finding random Crimson Fleet bases, and having them be friendlies. Even the Rescue Barrett mission was more interesting with this mechanic
@@TraceguyRune for me, I find it frustrating because it then becomes impossible to get legendary crimson fleet gear. Its like you have to farm it before you start the quest line because for some daft reason its not a quest reward or even stocked in the Key stores! :(
I went UC (actually went through the whole quest quickly) because I just love finding pirate ships, stealing and selling them. But it’s not fun at all if they’re friendly :( That said I found the UC characters lame and tried to save all named characters on the Key using the EM scout rifle from the terrormorph attack. Makes no difference btw. :(
Same. My character got busted while robbing an ATM because I was broke and needed money for ammo and health packs and got pressed into service for UC. Ya know, a 300 credit fine. I sided with Crimson Fleet solely out of spite and solved all the undercover assignments with a lot more violence than necessary (blew up the Hospital Ship, turned that business in Neon into a shooting gallery, after which they kicked me out, approached the military base infiltration with finesse just because I didn't think I could shoot my way out of it) and I'd steal any ship I could fly and blow up the ones I couldn't and then use those kills for piloting skill progressions. I like to personally consider the rise of the Crimson Fleet (getting Kryx's Legacy, crushing UC SysDef, capturing UC Vigilance, and dozens of ships getting stolen or blown up) to be the direct result of Commander Ikande's idiotic recruitment policy.
This is the wrong answer. A lot of other websites have already answered this question, and explored this topic at length. If you look at the rewards that you gain from either faction, the best answer is clearly to not choose either of them. Don't ever perform the last mission. If you do not perform the last mission, the UC never attacks the Crimson Fleet. Therefore, everyone stays happy with you, as the entire plot line gets frozen in time. Meanwhile, you will still have access to all the vendors, all of the pirate merchandise, and all of the advantages of both. When you're ready to commit to being a pirate, then you can go back and finish the mission and side with the Crimson Fleet. I would not recommend doing this until you have finished the final mission on the main storyline. But your answer is a close second, based on how the story was constructed.
This is the best comment I’ve seen regarding this topic. Definitely will do this. I’ve been struggling on choosing a faction and researching a lot to see the consequences, but this definitely seems the best way to go for me
as a completionist it sucks not being able to get Mathis by doing this. I'm hoping a mod gets released that lets you finish the last quest with both factions still happy with you and nobody dies/gets imprisoned.
@@haroldallaberg6359i got the manthis before even starting the costelation story line, i delivered the piece we find in the start to constelation and then went to get the mantis
I side with the UC simply because I want to fight on those missions. I hate going to a new planet, seeing a battle, and being friends with everyone so I feel I can’t intervene. I’m here to shoot things damn it.
Right? At the very least flip the script and let me shoot the Freestar/UC ships w/o getting a bounty. The game becomes almost unplayable when the most commonly spawned faction is suddenly unhostile.
This could have been such a great questline. If they had the actual choice start from earlier. You have to go along with the 'good guys' and feed the UC information. No ability to just lie to the SysDef about the info, of course it would be too much to actually make branching paths for the faction quests, so they just make 2 variations of the same ending. Not like this is trying to be an RPG or anything.
You can simply refuse uc sysdef information. And from what I know, I think you can lie to ikande on several occasions. Yes you are with the uc sysdef but you don't have to follow their every orfer
@@mayankpant1596 I've done the whole quest. Never had the opportunity to refuse to cooperate. The only uncooperative dialogue circles right back to cooperative. The only way I got out of sysdef without making the binary choice near the end was to absolutely massacre both missions for crimson where the one in the cruise vessel was so bugged out I still had the objective to shut the lifesupport down at the end of the entire thread of crimson fleet. Wasnt even intended that you go in loud at all. Its specifically made for you to follow the exact way they designed the quest to end up with the two choices with the varied of both outcomes being functionally the same.
So strange you don’t even get like a crimson fleet captain outfit afterwards if you side with the fleet. They’re a bunch of jerks. I just wanna challenge Naeva to a duel and taker her armor
@@reallythateasy I’m tracking that, I just mean I wish you could challenge her to a duel cause she treats you like pure dog crap. Not talking about siding with UC. Also, you can get the Pirate Captain outfit from Naeva if you ask her if you’re still a rookie after the conclusion of the final mission. I got red, idk if it the same for everyone or if there is a chance for the black one.
I don't know why anyone would side with CF. They were all disrespectful. Delgado was a punk acting like he owns you while he stands around and does nothing while you're out doing the work. I waited a long time to put a bullet to his head lol.
Fleet for me hands down. My first interaction with sysdef was I accidentally picked up a stolen item willingly walked over and gave it back to the store owner then when I willingly went over to a town guard to pay off my 10 credit bounty I got dragged to sysdef and called a horrible scumbag not fit for society threatening that I will rot in a maximum security prison if I don't obey him. So f* sysdef. "He's nicer if you join UC." Don't care sysdef can sit and spin. Honestly though I think the reason why no one gets angry with you if you join with the pirates is because they didn't want another scenario with parthenax. The particular issue here however is if you become a permanent enemy well how are you going to Ally with constellation and beat the game. You're only option would be not doing this quest line until after you can go to unity. But that flies in the face of their idea of wanting you to go anywhere and do anything. Honestly my big issue with joining the pirates is whenever you talk to someone asking why you're only options are either I'm a genocidal killer, because LOL, and because money. I don't have the option to say something like I felt cheated by society which you know could add depth to my character and make some of the companions while still not liking the fact that I did it would understand that I didn't do it because of malice. Because again look back at my first interaction with this whole quest line. I accidentally picked up something returned it and willingly went to pay off my bounty by actively talking to a security guard. No one was chasing me down I just walked up and said "hey I got a small bounty can I pay it off?" Instead got dragged to a maximum security prison called the worst scumbag of the universe and treated like s***. Yet I don't have the option to say society failed or I was treated terribly by security.
Avtually there is some consiquences. If you do side with the pirates before doing the main UC quest line involving the Terramorphs. I have seen mention that you do not get the citizenship reward at the end, with the penthouse, due to a checkered past.
Wondering if there is a 3rd option. Andreja who was my follower during the Legacy mission is of the opinion that neither side deserves the recovered money. I tend to agree, unless I’m mistaken, the money actually belongs to Galbank, as it was stored on their equipment loaded on their starship. Still investigating my options (the quest mission only gives you UC or CF). Not a big fan of RPGs that give you only the illusion of choice. I can always delay the decision for later. :)
Yeah even at the last mission you can just delay it until you want, I had to make the choice by fast travelling to either systems, but did not until the very last
Well one of the quests explain the money belongs to freestar, but UC will give it to them once you bring it back. (although I was thinking since I'm a ranger maybe I should deliver it to Akila City on my own, but that's not an option I guess.)
If they put Skyrim level effort into this, me being a top level operative at Ryujin should let me just run off with the money, seeing as there's multiple people I can think of that should be able to decrypt it, hope to god that some modders get their hands on this storyline asap with more choices and outcomes that would be insane
One stupid things I did: Haven't yet unlocked the key and being a dumb but overprepared gamer, I was just grav jumping system by system to sell loots and stuff, and then, while I grav jump, I jumped into Kryx without so much of doubt. I was met with full fleet of Crimson Fleet guarding the key. Full. Fleet. The dumb me then decide: oh, well, whatever, let's try taking them out! I was fortunate my ship is already a C class and I fitted it to the brim, both in offense and defense (I create this ship specifically to shred other C class ship), and boy, though it cost me like, a dozen ship parts in repair, I did manage to destroy the whole crimson fleet armada, and even manage to capture the last surviving A class ship (I don't know how he survived, like a salvo of my particle beam is enough to blast half his health out). Ultimately, that's the most addrenaline giving things out of everything I did with that overpowered ship I made. P.S The funniest thing is you can still hail the key, and it will say along something of acknowledging the vessel, but you can't dock :/
It also feels weird going from one faction mission to another. They have no lasting effects on the world, just series of quests tied to them. You feel less a part of the group and more a token being used to progress other’s agendas. Still having fun just wish it had more depth. This supposed to be next gen 😅
I wish there were more options for us playwrs who wanted to be space pirates. Maybe a future fix like the raiders in nuka world in fallout 4? I don't know.
@@thegametroll6264there’s been quite of bit of dialogue had about that very thing. I wouldn’t be surprised if at some point they released a dlc addressing just that.
Its nice to have access to the key to sell contraband but have the pirates be friendly is a bit lame. It was nice when I wanted to do my last ng+ reset being able to just walk past all the pirates to get the artifacts.
@TraceguyRune in terms of acces they're the same, both are a space station, but the key have 2 loading screen instead of just one In terms of efficiency, the key is way way better since it have 5 merchant who all can buy stolen items & contraband, that's why i refuse to finish Legacy's end until I'm done with the main quest
There is a point where you can be on both sides. THe fleet will not attack you and basically will let you walk into eveyrthing they occupy and loot. UC wont touch you either. Its about 1/2 through the Crimson Fleet undercover msision.
I still wish you could double/triple cross both of them and bring the credits back to the original owner, the Freestar Collective. Also could cheat them all and fly into Unity. Try and get your credits now!
To be fair you can always stop wiith the mission after you have left the bannock system and ignore it for the rest of the playthrough Sure you may not get your final reward from you can at least either of them gets their hands on them
This choice is the same one as Empire or Rebels in Skyrim. It's something for the lore people to argue over. For the rest of us it doesn't matter. You have a different experience depending on which choice you make. Like in Skyrim I will do both, just the same as to kill Parthurnax or not. Do both,
Eh, easy choice for me, always. Blow Crimson Fleet to space dust. I don't associate with murderers, who's victims you can discover everywhere in the game - bases they've raided and killed people, space ships full of corpses of people they left to die, after robbing them. Sysdef or no, I'd wipe those bastards out any day, any time.
In my opinion it's better to side with the Crimson Fleet cuz you have access to The Key and theres a bunch of vendors that you can use and theres a trade authority vendor on there so thats very helpful to have
@@30noirThat is correct. However, the TA merchant has 1200k and he’s next to another merchant with 11k. The layout of the Key is just too useful to throw away
Will I still have access to the ship parts that come from the Key's ship customization if I join UC? I don't want to lose access to certain ship parts.
Ok, I got caught with an illegal drug. I forgot to drop after the side stepping to check out an abandoned factory. On my way back, bringing 2nd piece to mansion. I'm pretty sure it's a level requirement storyline. I went crimson complete the storyline. Still bountyhunt them when I need cash. Stealth kills one on land. Space 3 shots kick them in to battle. Pay small fine, or if you're done with the key, don't worry about the fine. 😅
Just wanted to point out that the Advanced Corsair Spacesuit isn't anything special: I have bought a Superior Corsair Spacesuit from The Key's Depot, which has even better stats than the Advanced version (No Prefix
I side with the fleet as I like the pirate missions and also the Revenant is the best weapon in the game and you cannot get the Revenant with sysdef and the fleet's questline is generally more interesting in my opinion
I am currently in a playthrough with star wars mods. I play as if I was the chosen one. I started with guns, now I have a lightsaber and powers. I fall to the dark side recently and joined the Crimson Fleet because Ikande wanted to arrest me for some mistakes (Also, I had enough of corruption in Neon, I have 20 years of prison to do if they catch me litterally, too much murders on me). I'm still with the UC but I destroyed Ikande division.
Make sure you have the ship you want and the Narwall before you go to the planet before the decision. If you chose Sysdev, you lose a ility to add the cool items to say other ship. Co Spike and the other thing.
if you got more credits for choosing the fleet i get that but to choose the fleet and let them cut you out of a pay day of a lifetime forget that. should've had a 3rd option let you keep it or give to the freestar collective.
"wow I walked into this building and people are being friendly and not killing me. Better side with the other faction so I'm always being shot at and hated" bravo 👏 that's one way to play
Not to spoil anything but there is a main mission where the mission leads you through this building which is full of Crimson Fleet, and you casually walking through it destroys the whole mission, since that wasn’t intented. But you could finish the main missions first, then go for this one and it wouldn’t matter AS much
For me it depends if I've already joined the vanguard or not, if I get kidnapped because I killed a pirate, stole his ship and forgot about the contraband, screw you I'm getting revenge. But if I join the vanguard I usually wipe them out.
It really does break the game siding with the pirates. They have some main quests, and many side quests tied to crimson fleet as enemies. If you b line this quest early in your playthrough and side with the fleet, you'll find yourself just simply walking past waves of people intended to be your enemies to your quest objective in many quests, making the quests feel empty and pointless. Definitely a huge oversight on BGS's part.
I have started this mission because for some reason the den was destroyed. I had no where to sell my contra ban. If it causes me to not be able to turn in at crimson then i giess i know what i have to do. Why does this station have more vendor money then anywhere else?
Due to neon mission sysdef put me in prison and game told me i'm now enemy of sysdef. All Lodge people shame on me now. then i started if i did something wrong and found this page. :)
I like the quest line i just wish there was like a timer or a like a cap to what you can get arrested for to trigger it like i got kidnapped by the cops 3 days ago and now its on me to decide whos gonna win? Crooked ass cops or the friggan space bluds ? Wanna know what i did? I had a stolen chunks-burger on me worth about 34 credits...yeah
I was siding with the crimson fleet for 2 or 3 Missionen, then I found out pirates in other missions don't attack me anymore. I killed them and now I have a bounty from crimson fleet which I can never pay. Hope I can finish the storyline as UC sysdef without paying my bounty.
Siding with the Crimson Fleet should make you have to jump through hoops to go back to New Atlantis, in my mind. A quest to make a fake identity and ship registration to land back in UC territory would be the simplest.
UC Sysdef kicked me out of her Mission and ship.......iam an 300pound spacetrucker with an big gun, not an sneaky pete....so the fleet are the only possible Way for me...
I didn't want to do things with or for crimson fleet and sidelined this quest. But I definitely thought the first sysdef guy was a complete ass so I didn't join them because of him. Since I told the sysdef guy to pack sand, every time I get I to a system with a random sysdef ship group they attack me. All I said was I'm not doing your undercover stuff and now they always attack me. I enjoy killing and looting crimson fleet too much to join them. When I board a sysdef ship that was attacking me, I have to leave my companion because they get salty over me killing the sysdef that shoot at me first.
I didnt realize the significance of the choice so I chose to "do my time" instead of choosing the mission for the UC. So now I only have the pirate option. I was in the middle of the teramorph invasion and did not want to get sidetracked but didnt realize I would be locked out of that quest option. ah well.
uc sysdef made me their enemy , i got kryx's legacy but have not given it to the crimson fleet . i have it in my inventory and it has been there for 15 levels . i cannot drop it but can't give it to uc sysdef either , so i ignore it while uc sysdef tries to demolish the key and delgado begs me to fend them off .
I ended up siding with Sysdef even though I don't like 'the feds' because less pirates is better for everyone. HOWEVER, now that the Key is all screwed up, I don't know how I'm going to get those comspike or EM defense modules for my other ships. I suspect there is no other way to buy them. Side note: Crimson Fleet has been bugged for me and don't attack me unless I piss them off for a while now, and during the invasion of the key, all of the vendors were aggro'd but didn't attack me. So I left them alone. Including Jazz. But I bet they were supposed to try to kill me lol.
Fyi, siding with crimson fleet makes the rest of the game incredibly boring. I got attacked by nobody during space flight once i sided with them unless it was my occasional bounty which was over in 4 seconds cuz i use auto turrets
You’re a ghost to the UC and FC. Because of Shinra Voss. He could easily find out who you are. So Ikande wiped your records and you were a nobody. Untraceable. Thats why there is never hostility towards you. Even when you report that you were there to SSN, the dialogue options seem to not want you to admit you’re a pirate. There is one option only. My qualm with choosing the CF over UC-SysDef though, is it’s near impossible to be a simple pirate captain without having 30 ships bombard you. An end game ship will be able to handle it, but it comes with a bounty in two factions. And it’s usually over 300k credits. With Shinra boss one would think you would just talk to him and he could make every bounty 200 credits per ship killed vs 15,000+ As far as piracy goes.. I feel like if you make a demand for a ships cargo you should actually board the ship and not be “caught” by all other ships in that area, because they become hostile. The crimson fleet quest board fortunately does send you to random locations where it is just one or two ships. So you can usually avoid a bounty or it will be small and manageable but that sucks. I wanna rob all those Galbank ships discretely and be rich. Ship building should be fixed too cuz 250,000 credits is chump change to some of these big ship builds a lot of us make. My average ship build runs me 3 million credits.
I don't really have a choice hahah My character's past was an ex Space bounty hunter turn miner turn constellation. There is no way I'd become a pirate. Much like Spike and Jet from Cowboy bebop, heck even Space Dandy
I played this twice one siding with crimson and one with uc with uc and collected all evidence u get a gun from the lady with is ok but I don’t think it was really worth it
Story breaking for sure. Just walked through big quests where there are usually gunfights with pirates because they aren't hostile anymore. Should've replaced them with spacers if you join the fleet
If you side with CF do UC ships attack you everywhere? Can you still kill/board CF ships? I still think there's no definitive video out there that explains it all but thanks for this one. :)
@@JT--XL365 They never calm down. In the game code, your character joins the Crimson Fleet faction. NPCs in the SysDef faction are enemies of Crimson Fleet, and will attack them on sight
@@TraceguyRune ok thanks. im trying to get one of the sysdef ships but i cant find them anymore, is there a certain system they hang out in after you beat them.
you’d be mad to side with SysDef unless you’re true to your morals, CF benefits are so much better; mission board hosts actual enjoyable missions that pay out big, become a pirate captain with your own quarters that you can customise after speaking to Neava, access to the equipment for your ships, by far the easiest vendor hall where you can sell contraband and buy literally everything in one place. The SysDef mission board is essentially a bounty board, retextured, nobody hates you afterwards either for siding with the pirates. Simple answer for who i’d rather and who i have sided with 🏴☠️
Honestly the CF you see everywhere outside the Key should have broken off to a new faction or be reskinned as an entirely different faction because it is strange when you don't have to ever fight them.
@@dondoe1328 would been something simple to do. In FO4 the raider group you can take over is a separate faction from the default raiders idk why they didn't do that with Starfield's pirates.
I found them annoying too with their attitude, but I guess that’s what makes it fun. You could say the same about Ikande and him forcing you to join, there’s reasons for killing either 😂
@@reallythateasyyeah ikande was very annoying on the first time I was doing other quest then suddenly I got detained 😂… my reaction was “bro I don’t have time for this, quit the chat already, let me go”😂
Idek what legacy is lmao…. Dude im a level 5 and after 2 hours of me trying to escape being captured and dying and loading back into a starship fight where im half dead i just let the sysdef kidnap me then killed their captain kuntu kinte w.e his name was and ran i wonder how that effects my progress being as im a level 5 and just got my save barrett mission lmao
Forgot to leave andreja before starting the neon mission, she got spotted and started blasting with the mini gun i gave her XD. I didnt even pull my gun out and the commander still blamed be. I had to side crimson fleet :P. Now i will kill my comrades because i am not missing that precious pirate loot
Should I have watched this video before I massacred every single crew member/employee and security guard on the siren of the stars and at generdyne or...
The battle had me soo stuck! I ended up switching to very easy and holding b to stand up and for some reason when I stood up mid battle they gave my shields the chance to recharge. It could have been a miracle but try it if you are stuck 👍
Yeah, I was ragdolled. I left, levelled up 12 levels, added points into ship stuff, came back in my custom class c Aegis (The Redeemer), no sweat, no remorse.
I'm going to side with the UC....(game paused right now). I equiped 5 of my ships with unique CF equiptment earlier today and also bought everything I wanted from the CF vendors.....I agree with the uploader. Doesn't feel right to go against the UC. I'm level 80 in NG plus one.
