Should you RUN a SUB compact?

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Looking at the difficulties and benefits of installing a sub compact on a road bike
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@keithjenkins7919 2 года назад

76 and still riding using a modded Campagnolo 8 speed Triple Racing 24, 36.46 on the front and 12 -30 on the back. It is in effect a 1 x 8 as I ride 95% of the time in the middle ring. Middle ring chain line is perfect, assisted by a square taper BB and as the bearing are inboard out of the shit, they last forever. This setup also avoids the stupid ratio jump associated with compacts. Triples are underrated giving a massive ratio with small steps. Triples are easily available with 74/110 BCD. Mine is a Campag Euclid and works fine on a Chorus 115.5 BB or a 111.0 with a 1.5mm spacer on the drive side.

@trevekneebone369 2 года назад

I'm a 50 year old MAMIL, 95kgs living in a hilly coastal area. Previously ran a 50/34 compact, but have been using a Rotor 46/30 sub-compact with 11-32 cassette for the past 2 years. Works well for me. Means I can spend more time in the "big" ring. Recommended 👍

@waynosfotos 2 года назад

Cheers

@tobycolin6271 2 года назад

30 32 at a cadence of 60 is a speed of 4 mph. As a 50 year old mamil I’d die of embarrassment. It’s hard enough running a 34 25 as I’m to vein to run 11 speed and ugly long cage mechs. But then I don’t run discs and wide tyres so I’ve never felt the need.

@trevekneebone369 2 года назад

@@tobycolin6271 🤷‍♂️

@glennoc8585 2 года назад

You could go upto to a 34t cassette for the hills. Also a 48t chainring might work so you don't lose cruising Speed

@glennoc8585 2 года назад

@@tobycolin6271 30/32 st 60rpm is lie he'd probably spin faster. Even so if he's going up a super steep hill you don't have to go fsst

@manofsteele60 2 года назад

I went to a 46/34 and it feels so much better and natural. 50 always felt too tall and I didn’t get full use of the cassette and I still don’t ever really spin out even on huge downhills over 45mph. Just works for me.

@davidburgess741 2 года назад

If I lived in a hilly area I'd have one along with the bike it would belong on. My 40 year old classic is fine where a 4% short grade is epic. The 52 tooth Campy chainring still has lots of life. The 42 is by TA Specialties. At this point a 14-21 6 speed freewheel would not be enough. 8 speed cassette made of 10 speed components is my choice now. 14-27.

@kimwarner6050 2 года назад

It took me awhile to realize I have weak legs. I've been a runner my whole life, and my legs more defined than most guys. But my left leg seems to just go along for the ride. Originally I thought I should change my chainring. I have 50/34 and 12/25. I decided I need to work on fixing my tight hip flexors and my pedal stroke. Eventually I'll get there besides I still have fun and feel fast

@Unwavering137 Год назад

I would go to a cassette with a largest cog of at least 32 teeth but 34 would be better. Try that. It will give you a far better range of gearing. I currently am riding a 52/36 sub- compact with a 11-32 cassette and I can make all but the really steep climbs. I like the top end it gives me on the flats and down hills. I just bought a bike w/ a compact 50/34 and 11-34 cassette. It's a Campy 12 speed and the bike is three lb.s heavier. I'm excited to try the wider range of gearing. Fitness and strength comes with training and putting in more miles. Running is a very different type of fitness as opposed to cycling. Do the work and you'll get there.

@arifazhari7598 2 года назад

I did and will only go back to old compact once i wear out the new sub compact i just bought. It just make sense, using subcompact. U got lower gearing lower than 1:1. But still got 48/11 around 4.3 ratio. Even in 48/12 u still got 4.0 ratio. The gear jump even gonna be even smoother. Since the ratio is more fine. I use sub compact 48-32 without adjusting the Front derailleur. Since tiagra FD quite lonng.

@paddydunne774 2 года назад

I was having this conversation with someone last night. Who appalled by my use of sub- compact. He thinks I should do more leg strength work or just suck it up and grind. Well pal, I explained, patiently. I tried that last year on the PCR2021 race. I ran a 36 rear cassette on compact and spent the whole 11 days paper- boying every 15/18/20/28/32% climbs and destroyed my left knee. So if think I’m qualified to say if you think you need sub compact fecking go fir it !!! This year with only 28000m of climbing over 2200km of hideous coastal climbing in Ireland and North Wales I’m going sub compact with a 42 rear cassette on a rig weighing in around 17.5kg minus food and water storage (2-3L) for multiple days on a touring ultra bike packing race. As you get older it’s a no brainer. Keep rocking the fur lined jacket Wayno 😬👊🍀🚜🇺🇦🚛🇵🇱🚴🏼☘️

@leslie7922 2 года назад

i used to have one and they're good on steep hills on easy ride days, now back to normal size but slightly bigger cassette as a middleground

@aluminati9918 2 года назад

Great topic, Wayno! Ran sub-compact on a Campagnolo 12x setup. (With SRAM Red 12x rear cassette w. a smallest 10-cog to get it fast enough on the descents) But reverted to 50x34 and Bigger rear cass. Definitely support the idea of tailoring your setup to get your cadences right on the uphills.

@phil_d 2 года назад

Rotor do a 48/32 or a 46/30 but it is only on their single piece chain rings ie direct mount. I use a 46/30 because I have 155mm cranks (short bloke). Less leverage due to the crank length puts me back to using the smaller sprockets at the back as well as a decent spread for 10%+ hills. Smaller cranks tend to mean you spin rather than grind, so it's horses for courses in terms of power output.

@trevekneebone369 2 года назад

Love my Rotor Vegast with 46/30 chainrings. Plugs straight into a Shimano 24mm standard BB too 👍

@phil_d 2 года назад

@@trevekneebone369 Good to hear. I've just had my BB30A bottom bracket converted to 24mm via Hambini after the C-Bear seized...And you can't change the bearings only 🙄

@trevekneebone369 2 года назад

@@phil_d I'm running a Hambini BB too 👍

@gregschramm8180 2 года назад

Finding parts makes the choice easier like forget it but your correct

@lheron3x 2 года назад

Excellent video, Wayno! Campagnolo 9 speed maxes the rear cassette at 28T and their 10 speed at 30T. I’m using a 30T on Campagnolo 9 speed with 48/32 compact chainrings. The 32 chainring with the 30T cassette is like running a 34 chainring with a 32T cassette. This allows me to keep DurianRider high cadence on the long climbs.

@marekkozub8957 2 года назад

I'm not a big guy. I weigh 60 kilos only. But I still prefer pushing big gears. Somehow, I don't find comfortable spinning pedals at high cadence. I live in very hilly area and I use 50/34 chainrings. But many times, when I go slightly downhill, 50 tooth chainring is not enough to maintain high speed.

@tobycolin6271 2 года назад

If you do the maths at 60 rpm some of the manufacturers ratio offerings means that you can climb at half walking speed. At 2mph most people can’t balance if you have to stand. Triples had a wider spread but no one could use the lower gears because of traction and hopping problems.

@BIKEPRO603 2 года назад

Peter Post set the paris roubaix record in 1964 with 52 x 13 gearing, which is lower than 46 x 11. His average speed was 45.129 kmp. Greg Van Avermaet broke his record in 2017 with average speed 45.204 km/h

@revco196 2 года назад

Running a Dura-ace crank and cassette. Using a 1x set up. 42 absolute black oval ring up front and 11/30 out back. No cross chaining. Works great.

@MrJacrider 2 года назад

We have 48/32 Chorus 12-speed on our gravel bikes with the 11-34 cassette. Excellent for hills and carrying bags for trips. We have the 50/34 Chorus 12-speed on our road bikes. Haven't done it yet, but if we head to a really mountainous area to ride, it would be an easy swap to put the sub-compact setup on our road bikes. Having all bikes in the same 'system' helps.

@richardacerra2975 2 года назад

I just changed my Campy SR EPS front to a 50-34, I find I have a much better time getting up hills and I have plenty of gears, and I never seem to spin out in top gear. I am 6'2" and weigh 185 in old money. I am also 71. I enjoy participating in Fondos and those bergs are pretty tough, this change has made a world of difference for me.

@lovecycling193 2 года назад

I live in a area with short half a mile to two mile long hills that average 8% up to a couple of 30% grades, I'm 6ft2 110kg, I run a 32/48 AB front rings to 11/34 rear to help me spin up the double grades, but I find on the downhills I tend to spin out a few mph earlier but it's at a speed where getting aero and tucking in takes over pedaling, I've still hit 51mph down a hill on a 48/11. Personally I love Sub compact for my area, if I lived in a Flat area ide stick to compact or semi compact

@Circial 2 года назад

I think a good start is to look at calculators and find out how much watts you need to push to ride up around 12% gradient at your smallest gear with a cadence of 80. From there it's just looking at your FTP and area you live in. The goal should be to ride up mountains at FTP, hills up 100meters of elevation at your 10 or so minute power. Beginners should always have at least a 1:1 as their highest gear. Nothing worse than to get off a bike and push it because you run out of gears. Grinding at less than 80 cadence at high power just shreds legs and make people run out of gas on the next hill.

@waynosfotos 2 года назад

Yes that is some good advice. 🤔

@srddrs9285 Год назад

Even unloaded at 55Kg combined bike + rider weight, I very much prefer spinning versus grinding. My lower body thanks me for keeping ascents in spin mode.

@sbleistein 2 года назад

I use Absolute Black 46/30 Shimano chainring set with either an 11-34 or 11-32 cassette. I needed to add a spacer to the crank spindle to move the 30 chainring away from the frame. Otherwise, there was not enough clearance between the chain and the frame that low down. I found that I cannot use the three smallest cassette cogs without the chain rubbing against the derailleur when in the 30 ring. That's no big deal, because the ratios using cogs 2 and 3 overlap with ratios when using the upper chainring, and I'd never cross-chain with cog 1 anyway. I ride in a mountainous area, so having such a wide range and super low gears is wonderful.

@jamesmckenzie3532 2 года назад

Going over 60 did it to me. 48/35 up front, 10/28 on the rear. 40 km climb I'm still working on with an average gradient of just over 4%. Going to be a fun ride when I get there.

@robertcatuara5118 2 года назад

I live below Mt. Baldy and have a 34 34 which I love. I wouldn't mind a sub compact.

@pinarellocampagnolo3875 2 года назад

I have 52/36x11-28, but I live on a hilly area way back. I didnt change my Cogs or any now that I live in Texas(flat), but I can just go fast when I want to no matter flat or hilly depends on my mood.

@acckids 2 года назад

I like my FSA 46/30 in my hilly area. I rarely used my 50 on my 50/34

@byrondixon4648 2 года назад

I'm 47 - too young for this 😎. Sort of went the other way for my training bike. Had 11 - 34 Tiagra 10 speed on the back and went to 12 - 30 Ultegra. Saved me 150 grams!

@gpurkeljc 2 года назад

The only change I have made over the years is to change rear cassette size increasing from 23 or 25 tooth to 27 teeth for the largest sprocket. Even the pros are trending towards larger chainrings in combination with larger cassettes because of improved chain efficiency without sacrificing on gear ratios.

@waynosfotos 2 года назад

Yep, small cogs are not efficient.

@astrayagrarian 2 года назад

Everyone who isn’t racing should be running a subcompact. I’ve been riding since I was 13 years old, I’m 28 now and still pretty fit. I don’t ever need anything bigger than a 46x11 combo

@glennoc8585 2 года назад

Should or could? I'm not racing at this time but I ride in fast groups where a 48 just wouldn't cut it on rotations at over 40kmh. At least half of us are on 52 or 53. Sub compacts are good for touring and gravel or less strong riders.

@franco992 2 года назад

I have an old 8 speed bike running 52/42 and 13-23 which is ok where I ride. However, I am posting very similar times when I ride the same 40k route on my 42 16T singlespeed speed bike. In fact often I’m faster on the singlespeed. I assume that I’m working harder on the hills with the singlespeed trying to maintain cadence. I’m sure more hilly terrain or a longer distance would favour the geared bike more, but interesting that two bike result in similar times. So, I’m favouring the get fitter option. If I get lower gears, I’ll use them when perhaps I should just be pushing harder and building leg strength?

@phil_d 2 года назад

I was surprised there was no mention of tubular tyres on this video 🤣🤣🤣

@waynosfotos 2 года назад

That bike has conti gatorskin tubulars. Hope that satisfies your enquiry. 🤣🤣🤣🤣👍

@phil_d 2 года назад

@@waynosfotos 🤣🤣🤣

@derekhobbs1102 2 года назад

My sub entry level road bike currently has 2x8 Claris, 11-32/50-34. I just can't push the 50t unless going down hill. I just need the smaller big ring.

@feedbackzaloop 2 года назад

Don't belittle yourself and the bike, 50x13/12/11 are made exactly for downhill/downwind and Claris is not even the lowest tier of Shimano, let alone other groupset manufacturers

@MrVizzle 2 года назад

Or get cassette from 13-xx, smother jumps between gears.

@johnvanarnold1222 2 года назад

Broke my hip 5 years ago. Efforts to go to lower geering have been impeded by cannondale poor design.Brason does not allow moving derailed down.Would be interested in an adapter for front derailer

@waynosfotos 2 года назад

I do believe FSA make one.

@andyeunson270 2 года назад

Useable range is what we want. In off road they try and sell range. Many times a rider ends up with gears they don’t really use. Range is an easy selling point. In road people like showing a big chain ring and never really use the big gear. Pointless. Like slamming a stem and never riding the drops. As you point out though, front derailleurs may noT be workable with too small a big ring.

@daniboi4067 2 года назад

I run a 13-23 rear casset.

@glennadventure4859 8 месяцев назад

Im using 50/32 and 11/32 at the back because in place is too many steep hills

@fleurdelispens 2 года назад

I just think the manufacturers should invest more in wider-range cassettes on bikes in general. Until I can get the moneys together for the custom steel bike I want (any month now), I'm using my cheap commuter for everything, and it's got a mostly claris drivetrain with a 50-39-30 on the front and an 11-32 on the back; I use every single gear in that range. If I wanted something similar with a 2x drivetrain I'd have to do 50-34 and like an 11-40, except then I have to do something goofy with like a mountain bike rear derailleur.

@waynosfotos 2 года назад

Agreed, Manufacturers are slowly offering wider groupsets in road with the move to 12 speed, but it is a slow change.

@fleurdelispens 2 года назад

@@waynosfotos To me that's one huge advantage of SRAM's whole thing with the smaller chainrings and 10-tooth cogs. Their 46-33 with an 11-36 cassette basically matches the range and nuance of my drivetrain. Yeah you lose some efficiency with the tighter chain turns, but I think that for most people, the tradeoff is worth it.

@waynosfotos 2 года назад

@@fleurdelispens SRAM did this because they didn't want to make a road specific freehub. So they just pinched it from the MTB groupset. Not against that, but then why so expensive? The cogs are now non compatible with any other road group set and a 10 cog is a pretty inefficient cog and wears chains and cassettes quicker. So not such a fan of SRAMs move.

@fleurdelispens 2 года назад

@@waynosfotos I really would like to see the math on how much less efficient a 46/10 is compared to a 50/11. And also how much quicker the chain will wear. I'm not doubting you; just curious if the difference is in the ballpark of "nothing to worry about unless you're racing" or "adding a .5% gradient" or somewhere in between. And how much quicker are the parts going to wear? Is it minor enough that upgrading from a meh chain lube to a hard wax system can make up the difference? I genuinely have no idea, but would love to see you or Hambini or Peak Torque do the math

@mickchaganis6607 2 года назад

God I struggle with the hills at 95kg and ok yes not a fast rider anyway, especially on my resto mods with full sized front and 28 rear but my new refresh on the Merckx compact front and 11/34 rear, that's ok......smaller than that looks funny I think. Just out of interest, I fitted a road link to one of my resto mod just because the Campagnolo dropouts didn't go well with my Shimano ss derailleur, the b screw at full extension jumped the stop.Shifting was not great in the higher gears with the road link no matter how I adjusted them. Eventually after being fed up with half a back pedal to get it into the 11 I tried fitting a machine screw upside down so the wider head was against the dropout.....works perfect. Through the background of your vids, I got the impression you live in a flat area but with your gearing is that not the case?

@waynosfotos 2 года назад

Relatively flat, but I am slowing down these days, plus I use to go to Thailand. The bear bug put a stop to that. 💁

@mickchaganis6607 2 года назад

@@waynosfotos the thing we don't mention any more 🤪 happy days will be here soon. You got it very strict over there didn't you.

@waynosfotos 2 года назад

@@mickchaganis6607 yep, they locked everyone out and everyone in. We lived in a bubble for over 6 months.

@lancescarborough1 2 года назад

Running a 46/30 AB with an 11-40 cassette on my gravel bike and it can climb a ladder!

@melbman43 2 года назад

Well Wayno, TBH theses days I feel that bikes are becoming like Computers theses days with compatibility, this won' t fit with this, that wont fit with this bla bla as it was interesting what you mentioned about the braze -on clamp, what a nightmare.

@cosinus_square 2 года назад

I understand beauty is subjective but Campy's carbon RDde offerings are brutal on the eyes. Shimano makes the most elegant RD's atm. Sram fanboy here, for context.

@waynosfotos 2 года назад

Remember this is a very old rear and front derailleur, about 10 years old vintage. The new Campagnolo is quite different.

@cosinus_square 2 года назад

@@waynosfotos yeah nah

@tobycolin6271 2 года назад

Sub compact is needed for 10kg disc road bikes running 32mm tyres on the road . We never needed it before but old boys had done 30 years on the road on 19 to 23mm tyres on 8kg bikes we planned routes and stood up when we needed to. Spin to win came in with the EPO lies and now we’re stuck with it and gravel bikes. I live in England and the roads are poor sometimes but it’s less than 1 to 2 percent of a ride if you analyse it.

@glennoc8585 2 года назад

What about the disc road bike that weighs around 7.5kgs. gravel bikes are heavier around 9kgs+.

@tobycolin6271 2 года назад

@@glennoc8585 you won’t find a 56cm road bike that’s painted properly running fashionable 32 mm tyres. There all 8kgs plus. When you weigh them. The tyres and groupset alone is 2kg, then add all the other parts there is very little difference in comparable priced road and gravel in weight, about 200g for the tyres and 400g for the wheels.

@brianford8493 2 года назад

Can't be arsed mate....keep it simple I say

@waynosfotos 2 года назад

I am a weakling so need one. 🤫

@jesikat 2 года назад

I'm guessing that's basketball in the background? Kinda distracting, lol :p

@waynosfotos 2 года назад

I say so in the video (printed text), can't really tell them to buzz off in a public park. It wasn't that near, but the mic really picked up the sound.

@jesikat 2 года назад

@@waynosfotos was thinking there was something wrong with my speakers, hah

@feedbackzaloop 2 года назад

Why go subcompact when you can go tripple? Unless you fance a 12-speed groupset, but everyone who chooses fashion over function must suffer in my honest opinion

@keithjenkins7919 2 года назад

Triples are underrated, just not fashionable, despite their advantages

@lekobiashvili945 2 года назад

Or you can just get a tripple up front.

@waynosfotos 2 года назад

That works ,👍

@lovenottheworld5723 2 года назад

Sub compact is the best if you can bear the shame of it.

@waynosfotos 2 года назад

Shame on! Lol

@GrahamB29 2 года назад

If Chris Froome can profit from running 34/32, I reckon that at 60 years old recovering from long Covid, I can do without the insecure machismo of the ”just get stronger” wankers. I have a Rotor 46-30 ring pair waiting to be tried (direct mount, sorry Shimano but you’re a bunch of dicks these days). Not compatible with a spider power meter, but win some, lose some. Using Rotor or Sram direct mount rings also adds some flexibility into the drive chain set-up if I want to ride up 30% hills. The other question is who really needs the high end, ie an 11t rear. I’m pretty happy with 50/12. Sure, on a long downhill straight I could use 50/11, but those are pretty rare unless you go up in the Alpes, or you have a suicidal tendancy to not think about wildlife jumping out or gravel around blind corners (and I have a history of racing motorcycles, so I’m not just ”scared”). If you want downhill speed, you need serious brakes AND a lower CoG AND tyres that can deform under load. Also, I have my ”vélo taf”, for getting around the city. Single 36t front ring, 11-28 rear, and very easy to spin out. And? It’s pretty much as fast as I want to go. Topping out at 40km/h still leaves time to look at the traffic and maybe even smell the flowers. But of course, the Oz crit riders who swore during the 80’s that a 13-21 tooth cassette was only for soft-cocks or big hills... where are they now?

@paddydunne774 2 года назад