Should you use Macs with unsupported macOS and No Security Updates? 

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My 2008 unibody MacBook Pro is running fine too. Relying on Chrome. Gave it an SSD and RAM upgrade a decade ago and while it’s not powerful by modern standards and covers basic needs and I’m determined to keep it running just because ….

@@shred3005 Its amazing how usable these old macs are. I bought 15 on ebay and 13 of them came not working. Taught myself the same and its easy. new SSD and RAM but having to fix firmware and using open core legacy and I was shocked at how well they work for their age. Some in great condition id get for 30$ or 40$. The 2012 unibody 15" Mac might be the best one. I have three. Dual boot Linux on them and they run great. Those amazing old Apple keyboards

@@shred3005 I cant do Chrome. Safari Brave and TOR for me. Sometimes firefox but bro. I dont pay for youtube at all. I watch all my youtube FREE of ads using the Brave Browser. I havent seen a youtube ad in years. Just watch youtube via Brave. on your phone or whatever

@@shred3005 I gave my 2008 BlackBook an SSD and 4GB RAM (max is 6GB but then you lose dual channel which is really important for an iGPU) and it runs VERY well. Perfect for me, managing my iPods.

I remember watching the mini-doc on Phil Collins making his last solo album and there's a section where the doc shows him working at his house. He seems to still be using an old version of Cubase on Panther...in 2010-ish. Snow Leopard is a year old at that point.

This! 👍 When one component of the stable system is updated, something else breaks, and then everything has to be updated to restore the status quo. And that might involve a considerable extra budget. In the end, something still doesn't work, though. 😅

Thanks for posting. Yes, I know a ton of people are using older Macs and MacOS. Maybe more then are using the newer versions.

Thanks for the post appreciate it for sure.

Not sure about that but Linux does work good for sure.

I dumped Mojave OS and installed Linux Mint and it's way better on my old iMac

Linux Mint is a nice OS for sure.

Yes, it's good to learn on a system that is not your main one.

True for most thing old macs are more than enough even 4K editing photoshop anything audio even the g4 and g5 from the early 2000 can handle that with an updated ssd and upgrade to 16gb or more. Mac pros the classics can actually still use fast pcie ssds add usbc or thunderbolt or 10g Ethernet latest WiFi massive space for ssd and hard drives to amd RX 6800 or so making them actually more powerful than many m1 m2 m3 machines especially the 8 go models that must share memory with the cpu gpu is and video out. And with hacks run the latest almost Mac OS X Linux or windows natively. Not to mention 64db slow ram can often be better than 8 or 16 go fast ram.

Yes, I have done a tone of videos on the older Intel Macs and most can still perform great depending on how you use them, ram, and ssds inside. Thanks for posting.

Thanks for watching Steve. Yes Open Core is great but I just know some older people or non techies won't attempt that so I figured I would make a video like this. Thanks again.

Thanks for watching. I really don't digitize DVDs any longer so I don't have good insight into that. If I find anything I'll let you know.

Nice. Get your money's worth as the computers are expensive.

Yes, but if she clicks on an attachment or if she downloads a bad file normally the automatic security won't save you either. Phishing also like emails coming asking to check banking statements. Those are how they get people not using the automated security any longer.

@@craigneidelIn that case, get a product like Intego that has a built in firewall and they keep it updated. BTW.., auto security updates are a must for me as well, and I work in the industry. I’m belt and suspenders paranoid.. I have a commercial grade perimeter router with IDS signatures that are constantly updated.

Yes, setup the level of security that you need and are comfortable with.

Maybe but some of those can have issues or cause issues if you select the wrong one.

Nice, yes they still work pretty good with OCLP. I have it on a few machines also.

Yes, and maybe use a VPN etc. also.

Nice 2011 is getting up there in years.

@@craigneidel yeah I know.....gonna get me a mac studio desktop & mac studio display real soon....

Nice.

Yep

Yes, a 2011 won't be as fast but it's a miracle that it still works. Thanks for watching.

I tend to not use them but to be honest I may review a few in the future.

Yes, loading Linux is a great option but then it's not MacOS but still fine.

Thanks for the nice words and the detailed post. I do appreciate that. I agree that it comes down to being smart but we all make mistakes once or twice so we also need some luck. Funny, but true. Thanks again.

Linux is a good option for older Macs too. But then it's not really a Mac any longer.

@@craigneidel 🤣🤣Everybody calls my Macs "e-waste resurrected from the dead." All hail the Apple zombie apocalyptic overlords.🤣🤣🤣

Funny, thanks again for watching.

Well there are limits.. ...

For sure. Linux will run on the Intel Macs.

@@craigneidel Thanks ! my Macbook 2019 has intel 7 cpu

Indeed you can. I installed Zorin OS (my Linux distro of choice) in my 2011 MBP and it runs like a charm. No driver compatibility issues, at all

It's pretty good right now if you have not checked it out in a while. It's just another option out there.

Thanks for posting all that info and for watching the videos. I appreciate that for sure. I do agree the safe route is keep things updated but I just know most are not doing that.

Thanks for the post.

Yes, they can work good even today as long as you are not editing 4K videos and more extensive work like that.

@@craigneidel I have not learned how to do that yet I also upgraded my Late 2013 iMac 27", will have to learn how to do video using iMove system

iMovie is the easiest to learn but Capcut for Mac is so much more powerful now.

Linux does work great on these machines if you want to do that. That is for sure.

Yep that's the best way

Yes, everybody is different and do what you feel is best for sure.

Maybe but without the Internet then it really limits the use of them. But I hear you on safety there. That would be safe.

For sure. Works great too.

Yeah there are others option like that and Linux but then it's not a Mac.

@@craigneidel at least it's usable. It could be a Mac, a Big Mac, a Whopper, I don't care I just want this device to be usable and safe.

Use what you feel is best for you for sure.

Yes that works great for sure.

Yeah they are getting cheaper and cheaper and are great systems for sure.

Hopefully the M1 will still have a few years of support left.

For sure they will

Did you watch video

@@craigneidel I owe you an apology, now that I've viewed the entire video. I have 2010 Mac Pro desktop, running Ventura with OpenCore Patcher. At first, installing OpenCore Patcher can be a little scary; however, someone like Jesse of Jesse's Flying (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SZN3a9tFrDU.html) is really good at guiding you through the process. If you can, install OpenCore Patcher and a newer OS on a separate hard drive; therefore, if something gets screwed up all you'll lose is a little bit of time. Installing one of the newer systems, such as Ventura or Sonoma, insures that you have the most recent security updates. There's a couple other advantages to using an operating system such as Ventura or Sonoma: Even on my ancient computer, they run faster and smoother. In general, my computer is more of a pleasure to use in almost anything I do. Also, any Photoshop user needs to have Ventura or Sonoma if you want to take advantage of the new AI features. Something to watch out for in the OpenCore installation process: At the very end of the install, it will ask if you want to install "Post-Install Patches," and it will ask you if you want your boot files copied to your hard drive. Click YES for each. This sounds complicated, but it isn't. You just have to be on the lookout for these options toward the end of that install. I'm running Ventura rather than Sonoma, because Sonoma is a little slower. You probably wouldn't notice this, unless your a Photoshop user.

No need to apologize for anything and thanks again for the info and for the post. Appreciate it for sure.

@@craigneidel I just wanna spread the good news. It's like having a brand new computer, now that I'm running Ventura. No issues, whatsoever. Take care, Trevor

Thanks for watching and for the info.

I know what I'm buying before I buy it and have full control of what I buy. So not really.

@@craigneidel 👍

Yes when it's time it's time

Yes easy for most but still most won't do it for some reason

@@craigneidel But dude. In all honesty with me. Yeah it was intimidating Open Core but really. It was me being lazy even thhough I love fucking around and learning on my computer. Im a mess as you can see but learned a shit tone from great videos like yours and other folks. Appreciate it. Windows can eat a fat di....... My windows laptops are strictly for Linux

They get about 7 or more years of support like most others and Open Core can work with systems older then that.

I hear a bunch of people saying they will do that too.

Well of course and I'm not sure you watched the entire video then. Just because you are using a older OS doesn't mean you will be hacked automatically. The video is how you can keep yourself safe. Watch the entire thing.

Yep, but most of the people that bought those are larger companies who like to waste money.

@@craigneidel lol true its a tax rightoff and ofcourse, some pros particularly musicians who needed expansion pcie slots ie protools sound cards and sound cards by the daVinci RME which they already invested thousands in, unlimited memory for large sample sound libraries, and onboard storage expansion like 4 3.5 ssd or hard drives and pcie raid ssds fir large track countd, and ability to add many ports and run Native OSX, native windows and native linux, and yes it can actually under windows with a hack run the latest amd and Nvidia GPU cards for specific workflows like blender. Unfortunately the 28 core was its limit, as intel introduced a new xeon and motherboard requirements right after it. But to be honest for audio and most workflows that's more than.enough with hyperthreading which geek bench does not measure and even for video editing with a good GPU. And audio. Of course two of the media engine chips will beat it in most video editing workloads on apple silicon. There are some serious deals in them.know if it fits your needs.

Yes, they are great tax write-offs for sure but still a waste since some of them were around 45K. Thanks for posting the info and for watching the channel.

@@craigneidel no prob

Do what works best for you.

So you don't like Macs. That's fine.

@@craigneidel No, I retired my iMac as I didn’t want all those passwords for banking etc, possibly being compromised by a frigged loader system, and bought a monitor and 16” MacBook Pro. The “NO WAY” I was responding to your question, should you use a open core installed Mac, I was referring to a system installed with unknown unofficial possibility compromised software, not criticising Macs.

Got it, and thanks for watching the channel.

Yep 100th person that said that

Not the Macs I used. Some work great even from 2013 with SSDs.

@@craigneidelNot when using Photoshop.

If it has an SSD I normally will use an older version of Photoshop and they work pretty good for me.