Running Mac OS Sonoma on a Trash Can Mac Pro? Easier and cheaper than you think! 

haha yup 100%

Congrats on winning comment of the year!

Completely agree. The problem is Richard Stallman would never use a Mac

Between this and the cube - hard to pick my favorite.

Welcome and enjoy!

Thanks! Hopefully the prices drop soon for you - otherwise importing from the USA is probably still cheaper!

I'm from France too, with customs fees and shipping it's not really interesting @@jonobst

I'm from France too and was lucky to find on ebay europe a fully loaded Trashcan for 500€

@@anothervisionofthings Fully Loaded ? Max de ram à 64 Go ? Et avec un SSD de 1 ou plusieurs To ? Tu en fais quoi des jeux vidéos ? De la production musicale ? Du montage vidéo ? Je me suis planté en achetant cette arnaque de Mac mini M2 modèle de base... Dites-moi si ça vaut vraiment le coup, le Mac Pro 2013 ! Vous avez quel OS dessus ?

maybe try the UK if you have someone to bring it over to you without paying import taxes

Whoa that's a fun surprise!

M2 mini is/was 500 new with the edu discount. M1 is $300-350 used

Although Open Core Legacy Patcher is currently unmaintained, Ukraine war, hope dev is safe! It is in my experience pretty easy, there can be a few stumbling blocks during install, incorrectly choosing the wrong boot disk icon can trip you up, but I'm only slightly above a non tech end user, now running Sonoma 14.2.1 on a MacMini 2012, runs beautifully, I don't do video stuff, so mileage may vary.

@@RetroPC-vy3kt its above the average user but it definitely isn't the worst hack to get unsupported OSes on legacy Macs.

You should give yourself more credit. The fact that you typed all this shows you actually are technical@@RetroPC-vy3kt

This is exactly it. I love this thing!

With oclp those machines still have some years ahead

@@anothervisionofthings That's fair, but truth be told, these machines are almost exclusively audio/video capture machines for our YT channel, saving content to NAS, so they can be barred from connecting to the internet and continue to exist as if it's 2021 for a while, too. I'll only mess with OCLP if there's something mission-critical.

It seems they are going for so cheap in the US. Here in the UK, that spec is still around £600--800

Yeah it is crazy! I have a M1 MacBook Air that runs circles around my 2019 Intel MacBook Pro.

@@jonobst But your 2019 Macbook has one big advantage: it runs Windows perfectly with Boot Camp. M1/M2 cannot run Windows properly. Rosetta translation is a pore substiture for a real Intel processor.

with a CUBE of ice and a Cheese Grater?

gotta catch 'em all!

Do it!

This machine seems more than capable of keeping. I haven't personally used ComfyUI but I would think it would work, depending on the graphics cards in the machine.

Hmm this sounds right up my alley...I should look into this upgrade!

Love my trash can Mac Pro. CPU upgrade is pretty easy. Just have to take your time.

@@jonobst Google "The Definitive Trashcan Mac Pro Guide" and look for Greg Gant's blog article, it's a very comprehensive guide to everything you need to know.

But how many screws left over at the end is too many 🙂

@@RetroPC-vy3kt the question is, if you *don't* have left over screws did you actually repair anything?

Hmm yes - could be a problem! I am unsure if any Mac OS APIs make use of these instructions, or if they have a failover if they are not present...

Anything using Apple's Accelerate API for compression, image manipulation, heavy math, and so on should, in theory, use the max of {SSE, AVX, AVX2, AVX512} that's actually present. Is it easy to imagine some developer specifying something more ambitious than Ivy Bridge in the -m arch= flags to GCC and getting AVX512 or something else splashed into .text and "enforcing" this requirement in the sales literature, thus leaving you holding a big fat corefile? You bet. I could imagine video transcoding, for example, to be a problem. If you're building your own code, that's probably not a problem. Installing binary apps that require > IB would be a gamble, IMO. Math-centric thing or anything relying upon vector computations may not fall back gracefully. If I could find one of these for $200, it would sit headlessly in a closet and be a parallel GCC cross compilation beast for embedded development. Xeons, even of that age, will throw down when compiling code Thread count and cache size dominates and the presence of vector ops are irrelevant. I'm still flirting with the idea of OpenCore on my 2012 iMac: I really just need a current OS and not commercial apps.

I bought a new G4 mini the day they were made available - still running like a champ! I am not surprised to hear that about the PS, but without looking I would imagine it doesn't use some strange voltage and would be easier to replace with a non-apple power supply.

Input Voltage 100 - 240V 50 / 60 Hz Output 18.5V @ 4.6A

Thanks for watching! Upgrading the processor is on the list of future things to do!

@@jonobst A few upgrades should keep it going for several more years. Sometimes I'm given computers because folk think that they are to old to use, but most can be revived and the others are useful for spares.

@@laurencejohnson4106 my entire life is making computers usable past when others would give up on them :)

@@jonobst Yes, it's good to have interests. Recently, I installed the 32 bit version of LMDE6., on my over 18 years old Dell Inspiron 9300 laptop, it's the only computer that I currently have which has an IDE., interface, 2 gig., of ddr2 ram., is it's maximum and it has a single 1.73GHz., processor, so it's a humble computer but so far it handles basic tasks well, I have considered obtaining an adaptor case and an msata drive for it, but the ide., hd., is currently working okay and I have a few others in storage.

Honestly, at this point, a used M1 mini will run circles around it.

Vizio VO22L FHDTV10A (Part # 10211030022) - I found this one at Goodwill for $10

Either soldering or desoldering work I was doing on the side. I guess I would say that it does 'just work' -but only with old operating system versions and not the latest. So not ideal.

I really don't have any problems with the apps I am running. It is definitely not as fast as my M1 Macbook Air, but also its not limited by 8GB RAM or a 256 GM hard drive.

Things have been working out just fine so far! I haven't really had any problems, to speak of. And for OCLP - the first time I used it (on the 5.1 Mac Pro), I had so much trouble with it. This time, though, it couldn't have been simpler.

You downloaded the installer using the OCLP tool right?

I haven't yet had any problems with the gfx acceleration, but the OpenCore folks do have an known issues list here: github.com/dortania/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/issues/1008

and here: dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/MODELS.html#mac-pro

I don't run Final Cut Pro, no guess on that.

This one was from ebay, free shipping even! Just had to cough up $10 in tax above the $199.99. www.ebay.com/itm/296047402753

so far so good!

No intel based Mac is going to compete with an M1 in terms of performance - and the prices of a used M1 Mini with 16gb of RAM are ~US $600 (www.ebay.com/itm/325977352492 ). If you already have a Mac Pro it may be more cost effective to max it out now, but the support for Intel Mac software is going to crater very soon so in the long run you might end up wanting an Apple silicon based machine anyway, unless you're happy with the software you have today. Tough call - really depends on preference! The 2013 Mac Pro looks way better in my opinion and is a decently capable machine!

I can't play favorites with my kids here

Your comment is a bit extreme but I have to say I agree.

that is one sexy trash can don't you think?🤣🤣🤣

Who's to say it isn't?

Yeah about that...sorry! I don't write scripts and just wing it, and sometimes mistakes happen. My apologies! I did catch this in editing and put a note in the description, so it didn't go unnoticed.

The G4 cube had provisions for a fan but apparently Jobs had it removed prior to going into production as he wanted a silent machine. This kills the cube.

Busted! I have the worst posture (but so far no carpal tunnel). I have an M1 MacBook Air that I do quite enjoy, but I've always wanted a trashcan Mac, and if I can use it for something productive, even better!

Its probably fine. I'm here for a good time, not a long time!

who hurt you?

@@jonobst Lame way to avoid answering the question. Modems are less relevant to modern computers than built-in wasabi dispensers, ditto for optical drives excepting the DVD collection scenario.

@@noth606 I mean it is also 2024 and not 2000, the year the cube was released. You're not using a cube for anything modern...so uh, sorry?

i have a land line, i know a number of people who do. i also have a lot of CDs, so do what you want, but dont imagine your needs are the same as all the rest of us.

@@outtakontroll3334 Where I live, the only way to get a landline is to have a fiber modem with a landline port on it. My old one had it, and it presumably would have worked if I had ever connected something to it. I had a landline phone hooked up like that but like 15-17yrs ago, but I don't see the point in having one extra number on top of my two cell numbers so I got rid of that phone. I have CD's, in a box in the attic of what is now my ex wifes house. Last CD's I bought was just because I could get them autographed by the band, don't recall if I ever used the actual CD's - probably not since I don't have anything to play them in unless I dig up and plug a USB CDROM into one of my PC's which doesn't make sense since I have higher quality files than CD of the album. I'm not a nostalgia fan enough to go out of my way to use lower quality media to listen to...Each to their own I guess.