SHOWDOWN: FMS Rafale vs Freewing Gripen

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Which jet flies better - the FMS Rafale 80mm or Freewing JAS-39 Gripen 80mm? The answer might surprise you. Pick up your own Rafale via bit.ly/3S3qjng to help support what we do.
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0:00 Introduction & Rafale vs Gripen Overview
1:26 SMC LiHV HCL Batteries Info
2:17 More Gripen vs Rafale Info
4:28 SMC 5500 LiHV Rafale Takeoff
8:21 Rafale Crow Testing & Landing
9:15 Rafale Post-flight Thoughts
10:15 Gripen Preflight
11:00 SMC 5500 LiHV Gripen Takeoff
14:51 Gripen Landing
15:54 Rafale Preflight
16:33 SMC 4500 Rafale Takeoff
20:50 Rafale Landing
21:31 Gripen Preflight
22:28 SMC 4000 Gripen Takeoff
27:04 Gripen Landing
28:41 Final Thoughts: Gripen vs Rafale

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@benosborne7890 Год назад

If you're having landing gear issues on the FMS I'd recommend separating the steering servo from the rudder and mixing them together in the radio instead of with a Y-Lead. What you can do then is set it so that when you retract the gear the nose wheel centres just before it retracts and the servo doesn't move while the gear is stowed preventing binding.

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

We'd need a 10ch for that. It's using 8. The easiest solution so far is using some right rudder while deploying the gear. Solves it real fast.

@benosborne7890 Год назад

@@TwoBrosRC that's the only issue I ever had with spektrum, extra channels come at a cost 😁. Nothing wrong with a hammerhead turn to add that little "flourish" before landing 🤣

@davidgerlach1132 Месяц назад

@@TwoBrosRC Always something...

@shanehoule9477 Год назад

Awesome plans and watching you fly is bad ass watching what u can do with them

@crddrones3457 Год назад

Wow, love watching you guys fly

@johnthomas1348 Год назад

Great review as always Jon! I just so happened to be in the market for a delta. You covered the two I have considered. Nice to have both on one video, flown back to back by the same pilot.

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

If you want agility, get the Rafale (hopefully from one of our affiliate links!) - or if you want speed, get the Gripen. The Gripen is definitely faster but less agile, while the Rafale is slower but so much more agile that it's honestly absurd.

@MitchelJamesBlue Год назад

@2:20 the high contrast of your shirt attracted the auto-focus to make the shot back-focused a bit. The bright sun called for a small aperture which made everything from those letters and beyond, in focus.

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

👀

@emilellenius Год назад

The Gripen is really nice with thrust vectoring and CG 3 cm behind the marks

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

40mm back is even better!

@rcpilotwill Год назад

Both awesome jets of there wing type.

@thomassawchuk9668 Год назад

Thanks for the comparison. Great video. What CG are you using on each of the jets?

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

The Gripen is 35 to 40mm back from the CG marks. The Rafale is where we showed it on the video - not sure what the specific CG measurement is but it's pretty aggressive.

@jared6072 Год назад

Nice. My gripen was completly destroyed and was contemplating getting another one or going with the rafale

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

Definitely get the Rafale unless you get the vectored Gripen.

@stevec7596 Год назад

Both can do a great flat spin with the cg in the right spot. They also take a while to get them out, so do it high. Your Gripen has to be very nose heavy with the stock motor and that battery. I put a different fan in mine with a much bigger motor to get the cg back

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

All stock Gripens are nose heavy because of the poorly designed battery tray area leaving minimal room to get the CG shifted back. We've got 4oz of weight in the tail and all wiring shifted as far aft as possible to get the CG 35 to 40mm behind the marks.

@utopia1480 Год назад

Hey did you have to change anything in the esc to get the high voltage batteries to work ?

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

Nope. SMC's batteries (and any LiHV, really) will work with a 6s compatible setup. Hit them up for some preordered packs - these things are a huge game changer.

@worachart111 Год назад

Very nice !!

@pilotimodele4598 Год назад

Love your channel,great stuff What camcorder set up do you use? Quality and framing is excellent Tia

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

Sony AX53.

@ArthurRC Год назад

Nice flights once again Jon !!!!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉 well done bro ! Of course Rafale is a winner and it’s way more beautiful (not in yellow of course) but now BUY the Freewing Mirage 2000 🥳🥳🥳

@DragonsAndFire Год назад

Have you modify the motor or the fan on the Raf?

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

Nope, they're both stock power systems.

@jeffhenderson934 Год назад

Haven’t watched the video yet. The Rafale showed up today. So I’m hoping it’s the Rafale…. But don’t tell me, I want it to be a surprise.

@jeffhenderson934 Год назад

Okay, watched the video. I’ve got the Rafale, but there’s a lot of Ricky Bobby in me- “I want to go FAST!” Tell me which of the SMC batteries you’d recommend for “Balls to the Wall” 3 minutes of high speed passes with the Gripen.

@RCINFORMER Год назад

Hey guys, great video! I'm totally hooked on the Rafale! It is so maneuverable it's not funny:) It will just about swaps-ends in a 180 turn without departing. I have found the crow feature to be mostly useless as the plane decelerates rapidly with elevator input & this plane has no problem slowing down. The full scale jet has slats that are used in conjunction with flaps, which is mostly how the flaps are usable as they cancil each other out. Not sure if I'm going to Nall, but if you guys go & I can make it, we should do some tandem flights there:)

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

The leading edge flaps are pretty common on full scale jets but pretty rare when it comes to scale flying models. It'd be nice to start seeing them because they'd significantly improve low speed handling for some jets, especially Hornet-types.

@platzgrososb5343 Год назад

Would be nice to see you fly the mirage 2000 from Freewing

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

It's on the agenda in the future!

@cwwisk Год назад

Do you have the vector thrust set up on the Gripen?

@cwwisk Год назад

I wish you did...

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

Nope - it's a stock thrust setup.

@hifinsword Год назад

It's good to see FMS finally is selling the retracts as singles and not only as a pair. It took them long enough to figure out we don't want to buy a pair when we only need 1 side or 1 retract. Now if they would split out the left and right side struts and wheels so we don't have to buy the pair.

@scottbusby12 Год назад

Hi Jon. How would the Rafale do on grass? I don't have access to a hard runway. Cheers

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

It probably wouldn't perform well on grass unless you copied our setup and used 150% rates on all surfaces to help lift it up at slower speeds.

@scottbusby12 Год назад

@@TwoBrosRC ok cheers👍 I could always use those rates for takeoff and then see how I feel in the air. I have access to open grass areas but no largeish paved areas. I have a 1600mm flightline spit that does grass ok but the gear doors have been removed by the grass twice now so I leave them off. Looking for a jet that has LG that will do ok in average grass

@tahustvedt Год назад

The Rafale has impressive abilities for sure. My friend does insane high alpha with the Gripen. Beyond 45°. I like that it flies more like a bigger plane. The thing I don't like about the Gripen is the nose gear location. The gear should be in the aft of the gear bay and retract forward. It looks goofy with the gear so far forward. I want to get a FW Gripen and repaint it in the green splinter camo and move the gear. Gripen means Griffon I believe. I'm norwegian.

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

Beyond 30 degrees or so, the Gripen loses yaw stability and begins drifting out of control. The F-22 90mm from Freewing is very similar in that regard. The only way it doesn't do that is with vectored thrust on a gyro to stabilize it.

@danielscott5004 Год назад

What the cost of those batteries? I have the Fms love this jet by far

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

Check SMC-racing.com for the price on Danny's LiHV batteries, but they don't appear to be terribly expensive.

@KilchevSky Год назад

But both of them has S-like wing profile, with rear edge pulling down, and I doubt that flaps would act the same way as at a classic, say, F/A-18 etc. Please, advice me, what battery-monitoring system you use? Or what you join to the balance plug?

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

It absolutely would work if the canards could travel up more. We use a Spektrum voltage cable connected to an AR8360T.

@RCnurse Год назад

Can't wait!

@stephaneduke9736 Год назад

Hello bonjour à vous ! Merci beaucoup pour le vol Rafale c top .. CONTINUEZ !!! .. Cependant j'aurai une question svp .... quel récepteur avez-vous dans le Rafale ????? Stéphane de FRANCE ....

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

We use an AR8360T in the Rafale.

@davidgerlach1132 Месяц назад

I have a question, coming from flying an Freewing Avanti 80mm (that I love) I'm looking at both of these. The Eurofighter 90mm's a little too much. It sounds like from your video here that you favor the FMS Rafale over the Freewing Gripen? With one would you advise?

@TwoBrosRC Месяц назад

Rafale is definitely more fun than a stock Gripen with no thrust vectoring. And it's a bit cheaper, too, if you get it via bit.ly/Rafale80 and use the code $35Rafale-TBRC - which hopefully still works!

@davidgerlach1132 Месяц назад

@@TwoBrosRC Excellent! You've a new customer. I've also a Spektrum AR637T w/SPM9747 ready for it. Also, are the speed breaks or the crow already built-in to the mixing board?

@TwoBrosRC Месяц назад

They should be part of the mixing board, but we highly recommend landing with the nose up and not worrying about crow on this plane. While it works, the stock setup causes you to lose a decent bit of control authority.

@davidgerlach1132 Месяц назад

@@TwoBrosRC Excellent. Last question, is there any advantage in replacing the stock ESC on this Rafale 80mm with a Spectrum Avian 130 Amp Brushless Smart ESC? Possibly run a little cooler if I'm hard on the throttle.

@TwoBrosRC Месяц назад

No point, really. The jet is designed for a 100 amp ESC. It runs perfectly fine on it.

@stopitdad69 Год назад

Hey Jon do you ever plan on going TV on the gripen?

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

We'd have to get a new Gripen to do that. Ours is currently retired.

@stopitdad69 Год назад

@@TwoBrosRC Oh no. Crashed or put in storage?

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

@@stopitdad69 Just retired after about 600 flights. It's sitting in storage.

@stopitdad69 Год назад

@@TwoBrosRC If you got a new one would you do TV or keep it the exact same.

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

@@stopitdad69 TV, but we're not sure that we'd get another one until it's made lightweight.

@thomassawchuk9668 Год назад

Thanks for the informative video. It is nice to see the comparison. I think it would only be fair to pronounce Rafale with a French accent as the Gripen was pronounced with a Swedish intonation.😁 Keep the videos coming.

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

I'm not French so I have no idea how it's even pronounced, but thank you - or rather, tack så mycket!

@tandrews1965 Год назад

Do you happen to have a discount code for motion rc? I am looking to buy the F14 that you just had on your channel and was hoping you had a discount code they gave you to share with your followers?

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

We don't work with Motion. As far as we know, nobody does. Anything we fly from Motion is full-priced.

@stephanembaye Год назад

Didn't know Stan Wawrinka had a brother flying RC jets! Do you also play tennis? Nice video by the way 😉

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

Haha, there's a little bit of a resemblance!

@lafranja6969 Год назад

How can i increase, power in Rafale? , due is to slow, have to go full throttle almost all the time. Any inrunner fster a powerfull u recomend? Thanks

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

Use a better battery. SMC LiHV packs will do the trick.

@lafranja6969 Год назад

@@TwoBrosRC Thanks

@matthewmorrissey2568 Год назад

You should try the Freewing Avanti S. It’s more of a beginner 80mm but it’s fast and very agile

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

To be honest, we really hate the aesthetic of that jet. It may be something we pick up though.

@ArthurRC Год назад

@@TwoBrosRC That’s an ugly jet for sure but very very efficient, I prefer Viper90 though…🤓

@adamtrzaskowski3901 Год назад

Its a classic aerobatic jet. Flies super stable and predictable - but for these reasons you can't do anything crazy with it.

@KilchevSky Год назад

@@TwoBrosRC You don't like the "Avanti"... I'm mad of it. So, what type of sport jets do you like?

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

We don't like the aesthetics of it - the way it looks. If it had a profile similar to a Viper, it would be much more tolerable to look at.

@airhammer6203 Год назад

Rafale.... although thrust vectoring can be added to the, Gripen

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

We will eventually pick up the TV version of the Gripen, but it won't be a fair comparison to the Rafale if we were to compare a vectored Gripen to a non-vectored Rafale.

@shanehoule9477 Год назад

Awsum guys

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

Thanks!

@nirlachman007 Год назад

Love it! Jon, which one do you prefer- F-16 80mm or the FMS Rafale 80mm? 😊

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

If we had to choose, the Rafale for sure. It's a better jet overall in terms of flight characteristics.

@nirlachman007 Год назад

@@TwoBrosRC oh nice ! I really like it too!

@sendit_rc Год назад

great review and perfect timing! I have a rafale coming today.this will be the longest day at work after watching this on my break lol.keep u the great content🤙

@almighurt3347 Год назад

Now, the only plane that is missing in youre delta collection is the Eurofigher Typhoon, if there is even a model of it. :D

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

There was one until Freewing discontinued it!

@almighurt3347 Год назад

Oh okay. :o and thanks for the answer, big fan of youre channel.

@kolbevilla Год назад

There is one now!

@BullDeerAryu_ Год назад

Anyone else hear the Fort Gray's Airbase hangar music from Ace Combat 7 during the comparison of the two aircraft?

@wtfmimshag Год назад

Jon: Dont go too extreme on CG for the deltas Also Jon: This CG is a bit too extreme

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

It really do be like that though.

@adrianwinship4101 Год назад

I took your advise and purchased the Rafale,at 80 years old would you send me your setup but toned down a bit or would oem setup be ok for me? Regards Adrian

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

If you picked it up from our links, thank you! It's a huge help to us. The setup we're flying is a bit advanced and requires being able to have enough patience to deal with rewiring the jet and bypassing the FMS control box. For most people, just flying it stock is fine - all our setup does is bypass the box so we can have 100% configurable crow and reduces a little bit of weight. Stock setup is probably totally fine.

@adrianwinship4101 Год назад

@@TwoBrosRC thankyou really enjoy your site

@user-cq5hg6ho9r Год назад

Is the vectored gripen can beat rafale?

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

Maybe, but we're not comparing a TV jet to a non-TV jet.

@windscreenrepairmanrich5528 Год назад

Could you handlaunch the 80mm rafale if you glued a handgrip underneath and had a 15mph wind???

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

You could hand launch it by throwing it. No need to put grips on it.

@windscreenrepairmanrich5528 Год назад

@@TwoBrosRC Thanks 👍 where could you hold it from underneath?

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

@@windscreenrepairmanrich5528 Put your hands in front of the gear and use them as a brace before throwing.

@kballard72 Год назад

that saved a few bucks.. have the rafale, no need to consider the other then.... solve the delta wing rock? these two deltas like to rock a little. I've tried every gyro gain or no gain... they just have a little rock to them.

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

We haven't noticed the wing rock on the Rafale with an aft CG.

@daxdadog Год назад

Drop the crow for landing, and just rely on high alpha to slow you down. Crow seems cool in theory, but kinda sucks in practice.

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

Half crow seems to work pretty well. Full just makes it feel weird coming in because it limits elevon travel authority. It's definitely not needed though, but does help slow the jet down if it's deployed after touching down.

@henryairconcepts2999 Год назад

Replace your stock exhaust with thrust vectoring. The difference is day and night.

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

The Rafale doesn't come with thrust vectoring so it would be a completely unfair comparison between them if we were to use a TV Gripen vs a non-TV Rafale. You also can't just replace the Gripen's stock exhaust system after it's been installed with glue. It's a permanent bond.

@aerospacematt9147 Год назад

@@TwoBrosRC Do you think you will ever get a plane and put TV on it (FW MiG 29, hint hint 😉)

@TwoBrosRC 9 месяцев назад

@@aerospacematt9147 Keep an eye out for tomorrow. ;)

@DragonsAndFire Год назад

The comment about the gripen being heavier seems to be wrong. If you look up the weight on both there is 1 kg difference between them two, where Rafale is the heavier of them.

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

There is no way that's accurate if Gripen has tail weight added to get it to balance neutral.

@JP-ij6gf Год назад

LiVH batteries, I need some please

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

www.smc-racing.com

@JP-ij6gf Год назад

@@TwoBrosRC I have never heard of these batteries before. So longer flying time with these batteries?

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

@@JP-ij6gf Yes, generally. More power as well.

@JP-ij6gf Год назад

@@TwoBrosRC Awesome, thank you very much.

@petter5721 11 месяцев назад

Gripen ❤

@3dprintfactory482 Год назад

I’m about to build another one as the one I built was very fast and one of my first jets, there is a video of it on my page

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

Couldn't see a Draken on your channel.

@3dprintfactory482 Год назад

@@TwoBrosRC ru-vid.comk7HOzRE06nU?feature=share

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

Looks a bit unstable like it was slightly or moderately tail heavy. Nice design from what we could see. If you're looking to get these mass produced, we'd be open to demonstrating it for you.

@3dprintfactory482 Год назад

@@TwoBrosRC not in the mass production fase yet, but this was my first variation in pla so it was slightly heavy, and please excuse my inexperience as a pilot but I’ve gotten much better since then. I added you on tic toc as well and will be posting some still shots for you to look at, I’d be interested in having you do a demo with one as you’re an excellent pilot, there are a few different edf jets that I would really enjoy building for people but are being refined and having more features added. Thank you for your time , btw I love watching you fly all the different jets and I actually bought a rafel but am waiting till I have more flight time logged

@aarshmathur2909 Год назад

I should finally unbox my year old Rafale

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

You should. It's a great jet.

@charleshawkins867 6 месяцев назад

Why is it that the yellow airplane seems to be flying tail heavy

@TwoBrosRC 6 месяцев назад

It isn't flying tail heavy at all though.

@averdadeestalafora.2578 Год назад

I'm just seeing because there's a flu that's from Brazil 🇧🇷. Just kidding I see because I like the videos.

@rockman49er Год назад

I've got nothing but bad luck with edf jets I had a freewing stinger 64 crashed first flight and totaled on the second flight so my freewing f16 70mm jet has been hanging in my room for many years 😆

@henryairconcepts2999 Год назад

Sorry to hear that. The best and the tamest EDF I found is eflite F15 64mm with AS3X. Super stable and forgiving. I found it boring after a while because it’s not challenging anymore. Dont be discouraged, edf jetss are more fun than warbirds

@rockman49er Год назад

@@henryairconcepts2999 right on definitely try again sometime gotta get a spectrum setup to so I can have some stabilized help when I do lol