The Best Flying Delta Jet We've Owned (FMS Rafale 80mm Final Review)

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0:00 Intro, Rafale Overview
2:55 First Flight
5:22 High Alpha Touch & Go
7:32 First Landing & Post-flight Chat
8:54 Preflight
9:53 Second Flight
11:52 Inverted High Alpha
13:45 Second Landing & Post-flight Chat
14:59 Preflight
15:40 Third Flight
18:28 Third Landing, Updated Review Score
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@matthew1464 Год назад

Cool plane love the afterburners

@adamrodgers2377 Год назад

That is a very graceful Jet. Awesome flying as always 🤙🏼

@SteffenRC Год назад

Great video Jon.. Love the way you push these planes.... keep it up..

@crddrones3457 Год назад

Sweet . Nice flight God bless take care stay safe.

@matthew1464 Год назад

7:34 coolest approach ever

@baomao7243 2 месяца назад

Stabilized approach. Win.

@Hangar11RC Год назад

Very nice guys. I have enjoyed many of your recent videos.

@shanehoule9477 Год назад

Sweet jet and flying

@alexdarcydestsimon3767 Год назад

You land it like Yves Kerhervé ! 👌

@shanehoule9477 Год назад

Very impressive guys

@williamhammond3998 Год назад

Can’t wait to see the Rafale mini me soon.

@harrycover9180 Год назад

Just flies like the real one, great design.

@braddarnell2498 8 месяцев назад

Man, I want this jet but I fly off grass and I doubt it could lift off of it. Dang!

@airhammer6203 Год назад

The Rafale a great aircraft for your flying style. Great flying and set up. Can't wait to see the review of the 64mm Rafale. AirHammer out!!

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

Or anyone's, honestly. It's really just all around great. We're anticipating that the 64mm will be similar.

@henryairconcepts2999 Год назад

I really wish they made TV tail for this model. It looks good with the Nav and nose gear LEDs. Unfortunately I have to buy the good old FW Su35 for the sake of 3D performance

@kawasakizx14jomamamoto57 9 месяцев назад

Were talking about the 3d printed thrust nozzle? You said they do interfere with low end thrust and if so will pull mine off. I thought having them would help low end power. Always getting out of my comfort zone and try some of your maneuvers, definitely keeps the blood pumping. Thanks again for all of your knowledge.

@TwoBrosRC 9 месяцев назад

It did definitely have an impact on low end thrust, but it wasn't as noticeable as we'd originally thought. We actually shot the Rafale again today for a new vid with the nozzles and they're a solid upgrade.

@aerospacematt9147 Год назад

I see that F-5E Tiger II making an appearance!

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

You'll see it in next week's vlog 😉

@kawasakizx14jomamamoto57 8 месяцев назад

Did you find that running the smc 5300 hv packs. The esc and battery leads getting decently hot or no? Mine seem to get pretty hot for a 3 minute flight and 1/2 to 3/4 throttle.

@TwoBrosRC 8 месяцев назад

Batteries tend to warm up at this time of year. It's pretty common and nothing to worry about

@shanehoule9477 Год назад

Good camera work also it's hard to do

@stopitdad69 Год назад

Great flying!!! High alpha landings are very impressive. Would you say the gear is a design flaw or did you just get a bad nose gear on yours?

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

It looks like a design flaw but is easily remedied with right rudder.

@old-rcplane-phart Год назад

Somebody on RU-vid did a Rafale canard mod. Used 2 360 degree servos, & cut the internal 'U' bracket in half & ran dual. The freaking 'program box' is what allows extremely limited canard movement. I've thought MANY times of cutting the servo lead TO the canard servo & putting canard on ch7!

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

That's a ton of work haha

@jared6072 7 месяцев назад

Im digging into mine right now. Pulled up the battery try and pulled out the black box. Putting everything except the leds and retract system directly into receiever. When you said "cut the servo led" , did you mean unplug from the black box? I didnt see any reason to need to literaly cut it.

@FFE-js2zp Год назад

3:25, 3:43, 4:12, 6:49, 6:56, 12:46, 13:54, 16:34, 18:03 illustrate the jet’s tendency to slip when forced left, or naturally snap to the right at high AOA. And you prefer to do your snap rolls to the right, so the alignment issue is usually helping the jet be extra agile in that direction. When you elect to flat spin to the left at 16:56, the alignment issue fights you for the first time, resulting in a lazy left spin. So I think this jet’s wing and rudder are not well aligned. Or best case, it is over-trimmed with left aileron and at the same time over-trimmed with right rudder, for a slight slip in order to go straight ahead and a tendency to dip right at high AOA as the right rudder wins over the left aileron at high AOA. So…. I’m not as in love with it as you are. It’s probably fixable, but a roller can be hard to iron out. Warped foam can be a bitch, if that’s the root cause.

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

You might be right. Personally I don't mind a predictable slip to one direction in high AoA.

@FFE-js2zp Год назад

@@TwoBrosRC I could see that as a plus, kind of like intentional drift, in navigation. In the old days airplanes crossing large bodies of water would intentionally miss their land target by intentionally flying a few degrees to one side of the correct heading. That way when they made landfall, they knew which direction to turn. In both cases you trade sub-optimized performance, for knowing.

@ProKr3w Месяц назад

Check out the BVM Rafale lol.. fastest turbine I have ever seen

@Aircamshots Год назад

Noticed when you were checking the As3x gyro that the surfaces stay deflected, are you using heading hold? If so can you share your gain settings please? I have mine dialed in at 25, 50, 40 but after adding 10% heading hold on ailerons the wings start to rock slowly. Thanks man! Bought mine cause of this video and loving my Rafale!

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

That was checking SAFE which uses the same gyro. If SAFE is correct, AS3X is too.

@mountainr.c. Год назад

Quick question? When you rewired it directly to your receiver did you use a y harness for elevator and canards? Love your channel by the way! Can wait to get my rafale in the air

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

The canard is a single servo that needs to be on its own channel. You can't mix pitch and roll elevons with pitch-only canards.

@flanker-zy18 Год назад

Hi, great video. One question: would you recommend this plane or the eflite 80mm f16 for smoother flight characteristics? (easier to handle and more relaxing to fly). Also may i know if the rafale is suitable for rougher grass fields?(field that is a bit more uneven than the grass fields in your video)

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

Both jets are relatively similar in stability. Rafale isn't suitable for rough grass, it'll tear up the foam at the base of the retracts and make them wobbly and loose.

@flanker-zy18 Год назад

@Two Brothers Radio Control ok thanks!

@daxdadog Год назад

I wonder if the iX20's sequencer programming could be used to apply right turn to the nosegear's servo for a few seconds, triggered by the gear down switch?

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

Probably! The issue is that it would kick the rudder in as well. It's best performed manually so there's no surprises.

@daxdadog Год назад

@@TwoBrosRC Yeah...you'd have to move your nose steering to its own channel.

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

Which would need a 10ch receiver - probably a bit overkill for this bird.

@bababourbon4366 Год назад

Great video. How much does this set up cost. The airplane the controller and the battery. What does it cost to get into this particular aircraft. I’m super interested.

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

You can pick up the jet from bit.ly/Rafale80 - and a transmitter that will get the most out of this model would be the NX10: bit.ly/3Qm6BSR You can fly it on an AR637TA receiver: bit.ly/3dCjiuO Batteries can be picked up via www.smc-racing.com - you'll want 6s packs. We'd recommend flying a trainer airplane like a Habu SS to get used to flying model jets with something that's relatively cheaper first. If you want a link to that, let us know.

@robertwong2412 Год назад

The wing loading is high though, and it's lucky it's a delta. Any other types of wing configuration may stall easier. Btw, you may want to use a separate bec. It seems like the electronics are pulling so much amps and the esc bec can't handle it, giving you retract issues. You're going to crash this eventually when the built in BEC fails and it WILL fail.

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

The wing loading on this jet really isn't high at all. With regard to the BEC, that isn't the issue. It's related to the FMS control box. That's since been removed. The model flies on a 100a Avian ESC now with all servos tied into a 10ch receiver.

@brendanhartnett8201 Год назад

@@TwoBrosRC Has this eliminated the gear extension/door cycling issues then? Have others noted this with their Rafale or were you just a "lucky" one? I'm considering this model but the continuous MLG door cycling would drive me nuts.

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

@@brendanhartnett8201 Yeah, the door issues you're referencing come from throttle in my experience. Adding more throttle caused the doors to cycle. This only happens with the FMS mixing box. If you run the doors to the receiver and sequence it yourself, it won't happen.

@stopitdad69 Год назад

Have you tried those LiHV packs on any other jets? I’m thinking of ordering them for my f16 80mm but not sure how good they will get along with the smart avian esc

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

They'll be fine in your F-16 - just turn off low voltage cutoff (because ESCs can think that the jet is running a 7-cell battery and cut off way too early) and fly it like normal. We flew it on the Viper 90 with LVC disabled and it screamed.

@stopitdad69 Год назад

@@TwoBrosRC Do you have speed telemetry set up on the viper? I'm curious how much faster it would make it.

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

@@stopitdad69 We hit 128 MPH with it recently.

@mathiaschillisplash8997 Год назад

Do you only use a lipo battery in there? Or how do the back burn working?

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

Check fiftytwoeightyrc.com for more info.

@antonsokol4008 5 месяцев назад

Do you think that this would be able to take off of a 150 foot runway with the SMC 5300?

@TwoBrosRC 5 месяцев назад

A 5300 will have a hard time fitting. Try a 4400 instead. It'll take off quickly.

@davidgerlach1132 Месяц назад

Question, everything seems clear, but both your gear doors seem to be stuck open? Also, why do you check the CG with the gear down, when you're flying 99% of the time with the gear up? BTW -- The Dassault Rafale (French pronunciation: [ʁafal], literally meaning "gust of wind", or "burst of fire"

@TwoBrosRC Месяц назад

The gear doors in this version weren't sequenced in our radio, so they were opening and closing at random. When we re-shoot this jet in the future, we'll showcase the setup guide for it.

@davidgerlach1132 27 дней назад

@@TwoBrosRC BTW, how do you get somebody on the phone at FMS Hobby support, other than the sushi waitress? My FMS Rafale 80mm arrived with the failed nose gear turning servo. The canard's pushrod is also detached. In order to reattach the canard pushrod, I have to disassemble way too much to get to it. It's not like my Viper 90 or my Avanti 80, very accessible. I'm by no means a surgeon, and I'm not going to poke up and scratch up a $500 plane. So much for FMS. I've 5 EDFs from Freewing, all relatively speaking, flawless.

@domscorpi9775 11 месяцев назад

in the video, is it the version with Reflex V2 or without Reflex ?

@TwoBrosRC 11 месяцев назад

This uses AS3X.

@domscorpi9775 9 месяцев назад

@@TwoBrosRC so it means NO REFLEX and you use directly the AS3X of the receptor. and the wires are directly connected to the receptor.

@ace-gc5xm Год назад

where do you get that pull behind cart?

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

amzn.to/3UYOrcN

@tylersrcflightschool9570 Год назад

I had 2 these and they both crashed the same way I don't know if I had it set up in my radio correct or not The roll rate was just crazy sensitive I was in the air total of 20 seconds and then crashed it was my first delta wing jet. That was about a year ago and $900 later it left a sour taste in my mouth but after seeing this I might try again

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

Try rewiring it so the surfaces are only connected to the receiver instead of the mixing board.

@tylersrcflightschool9570 Год назад

@@TwoBrosRC thank you for the advice it's much appreciated 🙏 keep up the great flying

@tylersrcflightschool9570 Год назад

@@TwoBrosRC was your set up under a delta wing configuration in your spectrum radio 📻

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

@@tylersrcflightschool9570 Elevon configuration.

@old-rcplane-phart Год назад

MY current Raf uses a 6ch smart (no safe) rx, no gyro, & my low (takeoff) rates are 50% & 30% expo. IF I could find the mixing board, it would be GONE too!

@biffrude4981 8 месяцев назад

What's up with the gear door thing

@TwoBrosRC 8 месяцев назад

What gear door thing?

@burlingtonfilms Год назад

Is this easier to fly than the freewing f22 90mm?

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

It's a big delta wing. It's very easy to fly, even compared to the F-22.

@Estuardomendez13 Год назад

Do the doors help with high alpha XD

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

They actually do, most likely.

@fabriceboel57 4 месяца назад

Hello I 'am french and I don't know how much is that for the jet and command please thank you ❤️ I want to buy this one

@TwoBrosRC 4 месяца назад

Link is in the description!

@braddarnell2498 8 месяцев назад

The wheels look real small, will it fly off of grass?

@TwoBrosRC 8 месяцев назад

Yup, it will. So long as the grass is short.

@kevinbelanger9948 Год назад

where do you buy those batteries

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

www.smc-racing.com

@aragorn318 Год назад

How would you compare this to the 70mm thunderbirds?

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

Completely different beast. The Rafale is way more capable and fun.

@aragorn318 Год назад

@@TwoBrosRC way more expensive too

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

Like $100 difference - not really "way more"

@aragorn318 Год назад

@@TwoBrosRC more expensive parts and batteries

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

You asked how we'd compare it, not what the prices would be. 😁

@itzjoeylo4501 10 месяцев назад

2:25 @RC Video Reviews Please Watch; my elevator is compensating in reverse.

@TwoBrosRC 10 месяцев назад

Do what?

@itzjoeylo4501 10 месяцев назад

@@TwoBrosRC I think 🤔 I’ve figured it out, my elevator control needs to be set back to normal on transmitter from reversing it. Uninstall the elevator servo & arm and reinstall the servo 180 degrees and put servo arm back on. Adjust true center and throws. Jon at roughly 2:25 you explain the correct reactions of the control surfaces when being manipulated by the gyro. My Reflex 2 is reacting backwards on my elevator only. So RC Vid Reviewer suggested turning the servo around. I hope this makes sense and I’m just trying to get some help and solve my issue.

@kevinjoseph3183 Год назад

Much better camera work.

@greendiode5522 7 месяцев назад

Is the gear issue common amongst all of these? That’s kinda unnerving.

@TwoBrosRC 7 месяцев назад

It happened with ours. It doesn't stop it from functioning, you just have to add right rudder while dropping the gear. We were annoyed by it enough that we sequenced the nose steering to do it automatically on gear drop.

@greendiode5522 7 месяцев назад

@@TwoBrosRC Thanks for the feedback. Beautiful jet. Love your channel, honest reviews and all that you do. Thanks for sharing!

@JohnVHRC Год назад

I want to order one of these, but $500

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

It's actually $465 which is about average for an 80mm jet that's as well built as this one is. The code FMSPFD used with the link in the description will take 10% off the jet, too.

@JohnVHRC Год назад

@@TwoBrosRC no tax?

@TwoBrosRC Год назад

No idea, try checking out and see. I'm on mobile until Tuesday night so I can't really check at the moment.