Shure SM7b with and without Cloudlifter CL-1 and Preamp Comparison

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So the SM7B is an awesome microphone that gets alot of intrest among content creators and professionals. The only problem is, you need a really good preamp that is capable of providing enough gain to power the mic. Unfortunaltey, alot of premamps are not able to provided enough gain to power the SM7B. But all is not lost, with the CL-1 Mic Activator (cloudlifter) will provided you SM7B with enough gain to use your SM7B
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@marcelo7431 3 года назад

“Do need you one?” Amazing title

@rafbass 4 года назад

It's very interesting to observe how we don't know how can audio get improved until we hear something better. The main learning of this awesome video for me was the fact of thinking the audio quality was good enough in a way that it couldn't get better, until seeing the next equipment combination/setting. I think that when we, as a human being, develop the capacity of absolutely saying "this is good", or "this is bad", or better, "this can be improved by doing XYZ", we become real "sound technicians". Great job man.

@N8zerDude 4 года назад

Thoroughly explained with time stamps in the video description. Thank you sir. This is exactly what I was looking for.

@KneecapBandit 4 года назад

A few years late, but I sincerely appreciate just how in-depth you went with this video. I've been thinking of grabbing myself a Shure SM7B with a MG10XU and either a Fethead or Cloudlifter. I've been wanting to eliminate any kinds of hissing and background noise, as my recording location isn't treated what so ever. Thanks for the video!

@FabianLanfold 5 лет назад

Extremely helpful and well edited video, Lo! thanks for taking the time to make such a thorough video. I've been considering buying a cloudlifter as of recently and your video is very helpful. What you said about newer recording devices and audio interfaces "catching up" and working better out of the box with newer mics is also a trend I've noticed. Cheers!

@thisexit699 6 лет назад

This video is an amazing piece of content seriously. thank you

@LoKnows 6 лет назад

Hey thanks so much, im glad it helped

@pracmwo3125 5 лет назад

Helped alot and disproved another youtubers vid completely.. Thx

@justicemoody 4 года назад

Yeh man.

@James-ke4gq 4 года назад

this is making me so happy i bought this little thing along with the sm7B. Thank YOU!!

@CircadianCitizen5 4 года назад

Great video. I learned a ton about stuff I didn’t even know I needed to learn. Thanks so much!

@Aravindarts 3 года назад

You deserve more than 300k subscribers. Learned a lot. Very useful information. I already have a cloudlifter. Very happy with it. Thank you .

@Seancreaney7 3 года назад

Great video man , thank you , it has made me decide to purchase the cloudlifter . Have an SM7B and the MX10 purchased and in transit . Have the Avid Mbox in house so I am happy that you got such a good result on it . Will order the Cloudlifter within the next 5 mins . Really appreciate your help here in Ireland .

@LoKnows 3 года назад

Awesome man, glad to hear!!

@jaredrogersword 3 года назад

Thank you for going into such detail in this video. It's helped me get more of an idea of what setup I need when buying the SM7B :)

@grigpilip1366 5 лет назад

This video gives answers to all questions relating to amplification sm7b. This information is not provided by our respected lazy manufacturer, but you made it instead of them! great job man, thumbs up

@volvot5turbo 5 лет назад

Just bought the sm7b and have a warm audio WA73 and luckily its handling it well 👍

@MicahBuzanANIMATION 3 года назад

Helping with my audio decisions. Thanks for making this for all of us!

@v3zMedia 5 лет назад

Best SM7b/Cloudlifter video ever. They need to cut you a check sir.

@matrixate 3 года назад

Dude...you were so thorough. Thank you so much for this. I know this is a 3+ year old video but yea, you're right about most older preamps; they are underpowered. I can confirm the the Zoom H6 and the H5 by far, are better than most budget interfaces in terms of SNR.

@BrianBower 5 лет назад

My cloud lifter is coming in a few days. I feel confident in this purchase. Great video!

@jugginc 4 года назад

@Brian B Now that you ostensibly had the Cloudlifter for 6 months. What is your verdict with the SM7B? Worth trying it? I'm running my sm7B with the Focusrite Saffire Pro26. I'm just wondering if I should pick up another Presonus "Studio Channel" for the SM7B. "It is powerful enough with initial testing for my 2 RE20s so I'm trying to out weigh the Cloudlifter over a Black Lion Mic Pre.

@WarrenHenry 3 года назад

Excellent review brother! Can't get any better info than this. Kudos

@CoconutWaterfalls 3 года назад

this was a very well done video. thanks for the effort!

@foxymangaka 4 года назад

This is great! This is exactly what I was looking for

@MalvixStudio 5 лет назад

In your Aphex test, the noise is coming from the CL-1. That device is a preamp as well, and although it has a very very low noise floor, it still does produce noise. Excellent video as always!

@Dallen9 5 лет назад

if I remember Correctly I think the Preamps for the Yamaha line is intended to power the SM7B without trouble. They literally designed the whole line behind being able to use any microphone.

@TransplantHelper 6 лет назад

Excellent video... I’ve toyed with getting the cloud lifter and you sold me

@LoKnows 6 лет назад

WoooHoooo, glad to have helped!

@UnSympatheticGaming 6 лет назад

watching so many videos my self, you sir just made me buy one. Great video!

@newgame909 4 года назад

In 3 minutes, you already addressed my question. You rule man. Thanks

@chrismcphee2060 5 лет назад

Thank you so much for making this video. I have the Zoom, the Yamaha mixer, SM7B, and the cloud lifter. I was curious about do i need them with the mixer. Thanks to you and this video, I have a better understand of how I need to setup my gear. H4n Pro - 60 level with cloud lifter, Mixer with cloud hitting unity. I am all over it!! I really appreciate you for sharing your skills and knowledge with us. Thanks Bro!! #LOKNOWS ..

@jjslc 6 лет назад

I've been using a simply sound ss-1 ($75) for a few months now and absolutely love it with my SM7b and focusrite 2i2.

@LoKnows 6 лет назад

Jordan Jones nice! Will have to look into that one

@sigjudge 6 лет назад

such a helpful video! thank you!

@djcj 3 года назад

SUPER useful video. Glad I watched the whole thing. Thank you.

@dannylharper6889 4 года назад

Super Video!! I am looking at this mic and this is great help.. Thank you for the video

@alecramseymusic 3 года назад

really organic, really helpful, informative and just sick man, thanks :)

@danmagoo 6 лет назад

Nice demo. The CL-1, as you showed, can definitely do the job with the SM7b. Personally, I've been glad I got the DBX 286s, which costs not much more than the Cloudlifter, but has enough clean gain to drive the SM7b while doing other enhancements like noise gate, compression and EQ, if you want. You still need an interface with it, but you can get away with a cheap one since you'll be able to keep its gain at 0 while the DBX does all the work.

@LoKnows 6 лет назад

Nice! I want one.

@amplifydreality8869 5 лет назад

This is also a really good suggestion. I've been watching a couple videos on the DBX 286 and I like that it has all those other options which potentially reduces the need for additional resources from your DAW if you like the way the compressor, gate, etc works on the DBX. I like having those additional options as well as the gain boost.

@Snowiestttv 5 лет назад

So Your mic is connecting to the CL-1 cloudlifter, then straight into the ur Mbox? do u have a mixer after that or is the Mbox the only one?

@mrdjtoday 2 года назад

Good stuff and thanks for the education, nice work.

@Tateisadrummachine Год назад

My dude, FANTASTIC video

@merlottime1794 6 лет назад

Very nice vid. I have the shure sm7b and this solves my problem. Btw you sure are a pretty man!

@RepeatAgain979578 6 лет назад

Really awesome video, thank you man

@JustFishin777 4 года назад

I have the Cloudlifter and the SM7b. Both are great. They need each other. You'll be happy you have the Cloudlifter.

@jdsmedia 6 лет назад

Great video man! Super helpful.

@LoKnows 6 лет назад

Thanks man. Glad it helped

@iodainsoneoficial 3 года назад

Fantastic video! Thanks a lot!

@ThePandaMike 5 лет назад

The Cloudlifter has been help power my SM7B's and RE20's for a long time now. VERY good investment if you're trying to get the best signal to noise ration for recording any types of music or vocals. This is definitely a great video as well showcasing the different types of recorders and they preamps, because you CAN record without a CL, but you will introduce a lot of noise into the recordings. We use Izotope in the studio so cleaning audio isn't too much of an issue, but so much nicer when you can get a clean signal right from the bat! I'm a big fan of this video!

@tonycalderamx 2 года назад

when you using the cloud lifter do you still need the 48v on ? on SM7b

@ThePandaMike 2 года назад

@@tonycalderamx yes. You'll use phantom power to send to the cloudlifter 🤙🏽

@RestlessHerbalist 3 года назад

Excellent comparison.

@amplifydreality8869 5 лет назад

Thanks a lot for this video!! I have an EV 320 that I'm looking to boost the volume on and I am going to do a similar test with my mixer like you did with your Yahama board to see how it handles. I have a feeling my results will be similar so I may be investing in a cloudlifter soon as well.

@LoKnows 5 лет назад

It helps. I did a review of the RE27 with the cloudlifter as well

@ZuluOnly 6 лет назад

extremely useful video thank you

@LoKnows 6 лет назад

Glad it helped!

@jovonnalexander4738 5 лет назад

AWESOME VIDEO,,,, you rock man!!

@jsasa5668 5 лет назад

Great and useful video! Looking to buy the RE20 with the Zoom H6 and it looks like the CL-1 will be bought in conjunction with them. By the way, what cables do you use?

@happiestkidsonearth 5 лет назад

The key: SM7B outputs at -59.0 dB, if you have a pre-amp or a mixer that can boost gain to 60db, you're fine without the cloudlifter. I have a $69 mixer that can boost gain to 60db, and it sounds just fine. A lot of popular pre-amps and mixers only do 48db (like the zoom) so naturally you won't get the sound you need.

@AFilmChannel 5 лет назад

This is great, thanks!

@monsour1900 5 лет назад

Thank you so much for the extensive test! You actually tackled both studio and mobile usage with the Cloudlifter. It does result in lower noise and a cleaner signal. Just a minor concern--- is it just me or there seems a slight bass penalty or low freq degradation when Cloudlifter CL-1 does it's thing?

@jodywhitedrums 5 лет назад

Great video. I wish more people knew that the Avalon is really only appropriate when you're using a condenser mic that doesn't need a lot of gain. An API, Vintech, Great River, Apex, etc are all a much better choice.

@valentinapal 4 года назад

Excellent content. Thanks

@EricksonFilmsYT 6 лет назад

Really helpful video! I want to get a cloudlifter now for my SM7b and Audient ID14. I subscribed

@wesday2684 4 года назад

Good video. Couldn’t handle the frequency of commercials so had to keep moving. IDK what settings you have that on, but it’s a big turnoff.

@NikosPage 3 года назад

thank you so much for this

@williamvaughn517 3 года назад

I did like your comparisons. You should try the Grace Design Preamp such as the simple m101. It is really clear with the SM7B and when I add the CL-1 Cloudlifter I experience very little improvement, but there is a little.

@glennfloering8326 5 лет назад

Good stuff! Thanks

@JTCPingas 5 лет назад

I have an SM7B that I use with a Rode AI-1 interface. While I do have to bring the preamp gain to 100% to make it workable, it is pretty low noise.

@StarWarsJay 2 года назад

Great video mate. I just got a Cloudlifter for my Focusrite 4i4 and Rode Podmic and I could immediately tell the difference. I can now turn the gain up to a good level without much hiss from the 4i4. What I don’t get is why don’t they build something like a Cloudlifter into interfaces, or a Fethead type device into microphones. The only gripe I have with the Cloudlifter is it’s size and shape. It’s awkward to fit it into one’s setup.

@LoKnows 2 года назад

My best guess is cost.

@MrRzk600 2 года назад

Was a bit concerned bout gettin an activater like this, thank you Greetings from Russia 🇷🇺

@bradleysmith681 4 года назад

Good video. Thanks!

@gphillimo 4 года назад

Definitely need a pre amp. I have this mic

@vladlabyrinth6335 4 года назад

Hi, this is an awesome explanation. Can you help me with 1 qustion: Is cloudlifter + native instruments ka6 will be ok to use with sm7b(or re20) without maxed out gain on soundcard? Thank you!

@TheKingmanthe1 5 лет назад

What would be the cheapest set up here that you think is possible to achieve the best results for just a single mic set up ? (Wires, audio interface or cloud if needed)

@beatsbythegenesis3879 5 лет назад

I really wished someone showed a video of compressing both the original and the one with cloud lifter. i feel the SM7b's noise isn't too bad its just when you compress it you start to hear the sound become worse.

@AhBangGe 5 лет назад

Can i say that cloudlifter cl-1 can make the recording volume louder without compromising quality?

@Jnua7 5 лет назад

Hi! I wanted to know if would be nice to pick the scarlet with the tritonaudio or if i should pick the cloud, or for instance the steinberg ur22 mk2 with cloud/tritonaudio Thx💙

@nabiyahbenyahawadah1692 6 лет назад

i would be interested to know how you had the setting on the back of the sm7b set cause i didnt have that much trouble powering mine

@bradleysmith681 6 лет назад

Great video, great comparisons!!... One friendly suggestion: it's called SNR (Signal to Noise ratio, not Noise to Signal ratio).. Not a biggee, but when viewing spec ratios it does matter which comes first.

@LoKnows 6 лет назад

Thanks man. I won’t make that mistake again.

@bradleysmith681 6 лет назад

Lo Knows, Sort Of Okay, sounds good! Thanks again for the video..

@ReizoReizo 5 лет назад

The Yamaha MG10 can do the same as the MG10Xu just without the effects?? I'm looking for a good interface + the Cloud CL-1 for this Microphone. They don't sell the MG10Xu in Mexico but the MG10. Thanks!

@MansSuperPower 4 года назад

Yes, CL is needed. It’s a worthy $149 investment. Quality sound is amazing.

@Mikdj00 4 года назад

Great video!! I’m looking for some help and you may know the answer. I just picked up this Mic along with the cloudlifter and somehow you cannot hear the sound through Apple AirPods - I didn’t know if you had any idea why this wouldn’t work? I’ve tried multiple devices and the speakers and all other Bluetooth devices work great just not AirPods which is crazy. Apple had no clue

@Vexies 2 года назад

I just got the sm7b yesterday and I'm maxing out the gain on my focusrite Scarlett solo 3rd gen but it's not creating any hiss or noise. I recorded using audition and it sounded completely clean on playback.

@heythere6983 4 года назад

when it comes to recording a loud source, like singing louder as opposed to singing quietly, do you need to lower gain? For example If my gain seems right under normal singing but know I will get louder aswell, will the the gain setting be fine? or will it "clip" etc? Im going to be recording my music and I am not a newbie writer but a newbie when it comes to technical recording stuff. Also when someone is recording with 2 mics, can the gain be adjusted individually? I was thinking of a focusrite so idk if a feature like that depends on the models out there BTW is that an AKG 214? Thats literally one of the mics I like the idea of using for vocals, I feel it is def a tad bit sibilant but hope a d easer could work and maybe the pencil infront of the mic trick along with pop filter/foam cover. I feel that mic has good character to bring out depth in the voice and clarity, I tried a neumann 103 at Guitar center next to the AKG and it just sounded so far away /quiter/bland in comparison. although im starting to question if they have those mics gained differently and all that causing big discrepancies. - Actually could a cloud lifter allow me to lower gain in the AKG and possible reduce the sibilance aswell?

@Blackfilmguild 4 года назад

Can you test this with a c300 mark II? I want to know if the pre amps in there are good enough....

@DataHotep 4 года назад

There are quite a few old preamps that can power that thing, its just the new stuff now is catering to podcasters who love this mic. Years ago they just made these things for condensers.

@yousaidwha1153 4 года назад

thank you so much for making this video omg. ive read so many comments of people literally having this problem for YEARS. my Shure sm7b came in 2 days ago and i was so disappointed how i neary spent $700-$800 during a pandemic taking risks so i could make music work. and when i set up it hisses and destroys my ears with white noise and i researched and couldnt find anything. my set up is focusrite solo 3rd generation, shure sm7b, cl1 cloud lifter, and windows laptop. so i would just have to replace my interface right ??? any recommendations what i should replace focusrite with?

@yousaidwha1153 4 года назад

and some interfaces are just normally loud because they’re not used to giving out so much power to power up a mic, correct?

@Diablos199 5 лет назад

nice. My MG10XU will be happy.

@divinityvrms6743 4 года назад

could I use one of these to get the line level needed from my sure sm7 dynamic microphone to go into my golden age tube compressor? it wants a "line level" input signal

@ian4197 4 года назад

Question: why could we not hear the "self noise" in the recording for the video? I notice that when I crank a good preamp with the SM7b I get a lot of noise in the monitors but when I listen back to the recording it is crystal clear. Why does it do this?

@mrgrehan9981 4 года назад

Did you say the Focusrite Scarlett Solo 3rd Gen is ok on its own with the SHURE SM7B microphone but not the 2nd or 1st gen? cheers.

@KleeMusicAZ 5 лет назад

CL1 for the win!

@drewskywalkerpa 4 года назад

I have a uad Apollo twin, with the mic line turned up all the way I can hear the shure pretty good but there is a little hiss, could I get an outboard preamp or will a cloudlifter give me the silent gain im lookin for ?

@danielvanbeijeren8203 5 лет назад

The best video I've found on this subject! Any experience on using the SM7B with the Focusrite ISA one? I am using a SM7B with a Focusrite ISA One into my apollo twin, and I'm also experiencing the hiss because I have to drive the pre-amp to hot for some decent gain. I've read alot about that the Isa One combined with the SM7B should be a great mix without the cloudlifter. But I can't seem to get satisfied enough with the hiss still being present. I think you have convinced me to get one and atleast try it out!

@10thPowerMusic 5 лет назад

Im in the same position, i have same set up, dealing with hiss and have read that cloudlifter isn't necessary, i think im gonna pull the trigger on a used one tho

@-primitive-1035 3 года назад

@@10thPowerMusic Hi both.. did u get CL in end and are u happy with ISA One plus it?

@10thPowerMusic 3 года назад

@@-primitive-1035 funny you replied to this comment I posted 2 years ago but I actually just bought a cloud lifter last week🤣, haven't set it up yet tho but after much research I hear it should help alot, I still have isa one but feel I can get better quality with a cloudlifter included in the chain

@-primitive-1035 3 года назад

@@10thPowerMusic yo,thanks for reply! Please reply with feedback of how it works for u now with CL when u have time..i got Isa One,and interface is RME Adi-2 Pro. Want to add Warm Audio compressor 76 as well. Recording rap vocals. So need to decide if I gonna go Shure+CL road,probably it will sound great,but lets see, still not 100% sure..either Shure or i go with some more expensive condenser in range of lets say 700,800 or even 1k

@pabloruizkanal4019 5 лет назад

Hi... I am thinking to buy this mic but did know nothing about these gain issues. I was thinking of buying TC Helicon voice tone pedals. They have their own gain knobs. So, would those pedals solve those gain issues?

@sophiaguillenv 4 года назад

Still can't use my shure sm7b... i only have the mic and a scarlett solo 2.0, ain't that enough? please, i've had it since september 19 and still haven't tried my mic :(

@nanameolo4230 2 года назад

Good Guide line

@Ambientes 4 года назад

Amen brother

@UporaFilms 5 лет назад

Hey Lo, so I'm testing out two SM7Bs with the 2 channel Cloudlifter on the Yamaha MG12XU and I am hearing a fairly decent amount of self noise. I thought it might be the Cloudlifter because I'm hearing it in both SM7B's, so I tested each on a Sound Devices MM1 with pad activated and am getting the same amount of self noise. Even without the Cloudlifter, gain is almost maxed, I can start hearing the self noise. Is your completely quiet of self noise or do you still hear it? and have to Gate it out in post? Cause right now, I want to refund these "dynamic mics" and stick with my condensers, 0 self noise.

@LoKnows 5 лет назад

Hey what ended up happening? I will say this. When I had mine set up it was completely quite. Of course my mic would still pic up room noise. But it was always noisier without the cloudlifter because I would be stressing the line ins with to much gain to the mic

@UporaFilms 5 лет назад

Hey Lo, I don't know if its maybe the monitor levels, but monitoring levels from the MG12XU, I definitely hear some noise floor, but playing back in Audition, the noise is barely there. MY NT1's self noise is non existent. So the SM7B's should be super quiet then? I have two and they both have the same level of self noise.

@nisoldi 5 лет назад

Thumbnail reads like "Do need you one?" thats literally the only constructive thing I have to say here. Good video, in all honesty.

@SaintSinnerStudios 4 года назад

Yeah i need one wanna buy the mic too please?

@marssmoon8310 5 лет назад

the ts cable would be giving you the noise, whenever you go from xlr to ts cable you get noise regardless the cable. idk why.

@thespacecasecrew489 4 года назад

Damn I need one of those

@PreciseAimm 4 года назад

😊yea

@kinayamaquia799 5 лет назад

Hi! So I recently purchased the Zoom H6 along with the cloudlifter and Shure SM7B. I'm not sure if that's everything I need? Because I'm using the microphone but there's a lot of humming in the background. I don't think the cloudlifter is working and I just replaced it with another one. But I'm wondering if it could be something else that I'm missing? Is there another part I need to purchase before I can use this microphone to the best of its ability?

@ReizoReizo 5 лет назад

how did it go now??

@KAYDXN 4 года назад

Could someone tell me if cloudlifter is Still needed if I use an Apollo twin mk11 interface. Thanks!

@theparagonhouse6761 3 года назад

I have been looking into getting a Shure SM7b and have been considering getting this my Audio Interface that i have is a Presonus Audiobox USB 96 would this be sufficient enough if i decide to forgo the Cloudlifter?

@CreativeNotJustYet 5 лет назад

Do you prefer the Aphex 230 over the dbx286S?

@drewdowdeyshow 5 лет назад

Do you have to buy a cloud for every mic that’s hooked up to try h6?

@georgerady9706 3 года назад

So, if you are using a Zoom F4 with the SM7B should the Phantom Mic be set to +24V instead of +48V???

@Stefan_Besteman 4 года назад

recently found a second hand cloudlifter for 15 euros :D amazing deal for such an awesome device

@FSXgta 4 года назад

CL seems wayy overpriced. TritonAudio FetHead does the same but at much more reasonable price

@ROOKTABULA 5 лет назад

The hiss you're taking about is clearly in your headphone amp as there's nothing coming into my HD580s that you described.

@DaCake2 4 года назад

I disagree. When I use a different mic on my rodecaster pro, the hiss goes away.

@noxxian8838 6 лет назад

Okay im getting the Cloudlifter and the Shure sm7b ASAP. I got the Yamaha 10XU. Thanks for the video!

@LoKnows 6 лет назад

Glad to have help!!

@noxxian8838 6 лет назад

Lo Knows, Sort Of Are your mg12xu connected via usb or analog to your computer? What is the best solution between the two? Thanks

@LoKnows 6 лет назад

Noxxian I have it connected via usb and I have no complainants. The sound is crystal clear

@noxxian8838 6 лет назад

Thank you for your answer, i have on more if you dont bother, hehe! On the MG12XU, do you sometime have trouble with the mic audio meter on the side? The one that shows wether you are clipping or not? Because mine doesnt seem to work with my microphone, only with my headphones audio level. Or do you know how to fix it? Stereo Mute is pressed and so is TO MON TO ST Edit; Had to turn my level stero up, and plug out my 6mm monitor jacks. Because when i cranked the level stero, my speakers started beeping crazy and i could hear my self?

@LoKnows 6 лет назад

Noxxian trouble? Like in what way?

@stupendousmusic4190 5 лет назад

I have a CL-1 and CL-2 and they are indispensable! I will soon have a CL-4 as well. An additional $150.00 for higher quality is pennies in the big picture.