Shutter Speed for Video - When to BREAK the 180 shutter angle rule!  

DO you break the shutter speed rule? Let me know !

i shoot at 24 fps at 1/24 shutter speed , (Not double), in low light situations.. lower shutter speeds will increase exposure but, also increase motion blur; may need a tripod or hold steady. high shutter speeds will decrease exposure but, also decrease motion blur; may need to add lights or shoot in day light.

Hahaha first time watching your videos and I like your sense of humor. What you're saying is very right, in such situations instead of missing the shot, it's very important to point and just shoot. Much better than missing the shot while chasing the *perfect shot! Love from Kigali

So true. We often also pull stills from 4k or 6k video that we didn't get photographed and motion blur ruins a lot of those. Breaking the rule gets you perfect stills. I'm not sure if most audiences can tell the difference. And sometimes they love it - like in Saving Private Ryan's beach scenes.

My pet peeve is that the 180 rule is “around 24p 180 shutter looks good for drama”. It was a great trade off between motion sharpness and perception of motion at low frame rate. But 24p the ONLY well motivated 180 rule. Everything else is just a weird internet myth badly motivated. There’s no “why” motivation as people repeat this rule for higher and higher frame rates it wasn’t invented for. 60p 180 degree is *much* sharper than 24p 180 degree, this is a completely different look. 60p 360 degree is much closer to the traditional 24p film look than 60p 180, because 360 has similar motion sharpness. So if you like 24p 180 degree, you’ll probably like something like 60p 360 degree because you’ll have the motion blur similar to your 24p shots. I’ve never understood why people think you at higher frame rate should fear a natural continuous frame rate of 360 without unnatural 180 degree sharpening. Has anyone actually tested 60p 360 and honestly absolutely hated this look? What’s so terrible with medium frame rate and 100% natural motion, are we afraid our images just might start look close to reality? And especially if you go very high frame rate, avoiding 360shutter just becomes sillier. At 120p or 1000p or 10000p you’ll need all the light you can get, and no one will think your shots are unsharp. But eh, I mostly just shoot 25p since I live in PAL land and less frames = less computer work when editing /decoding /encoding. But this silly fear of 360degree at high frames remains one of the biggest mystery to me. An army of internet filmmakers afraid of creating an image similar to what our eyes would have had captured.

But don't be a lazy filmmaker. Some time just put a ND don't hurt your back.

This was helpful. We all watch a lot of videos with people telling you what the rules are but this explains when rules can be broken.

Hearing you talk bout SS in regards to video is such a culture shock for me. I forgot Sony still doesn’t have shutter angle, even in their $3800 mirrorless cameras.

doing YT videos in 60fps basically makes this rule unnecessary, because audience will not complain about jerky moves anyway

You had me right up until you called Camera Conspiracies, “Canon’s Conspiracies”. Shame, Vu. Shame.

I agree with you. I have tried to avoid using an ND filter in my "amateur" video-making. Most of my shots were nature-related (flowers, trees, small lakes). I think your techniques is useful for one who shoots " not-so-much movement" video in bright sunlight with shallow depth of field and without ND filter. So I'll try cranking up shutter speed to get the proper exposure in my nature-related videos. Thank you.

True videographers shoots in TONEH priority. We are ready to break everything for it

I only use 180 shutter about half of the time shooting interiors. It's a good thing to aim for, but I run and gun in very dynamic spaces, so I do a lot of shutter speed adjustments, both ways. The shutter's cranked almost always for exteriors, and slowed way down (even to 360 degrees sometimes) on the interior. Even with 360 it's not a huge deal as long as you move slowly.

If 1/30th is the only shutter speed without banding from the lighting, I'm going to deal with the motion blur.

what lens was used at 8:38?

Hey Vu...do you slow down 60p/120p footage on a 24p timeline for your wedding vids?

Great tip Vu. BTW - Your video projects look great.

finally found a guy who speaks about this💓

So thankful for this video

I'm a little worried about the shutter speed of 4000 in 4k with my Sony Zve10 I can't afford a good ND filter at this time I use camera for videos and I use 4000 shutter speed in daylight Can it do any damages to shutter ? Or effect the camera life I mean something is moving 4 thousand times in one second that's why I'm worried about it

6:23 best reason to stick to the rule.

Finally someone telling it like it is, I always wondered about 180 degree shutter in slow-mo. Looks great, period.

Fantastic footage on those videos Vu. Fantastic. Colour grading on point too! Even for a RU-vid d-bag ROTFL!! Just kidding of course :)

Good video. I often will shoot 60fps (60 or 120 shutter) and use on a 24fps (50 shutter) timeline and use at 100% speed. I don't see any choppy/jittery ftg contrary to what I keep hearing.

Or when you Asian you are not forced to become doctor, you go the other way and become a videographer and disgrace the family xD

slow motion does not need motion blur. By the way, for people who shoot high shutter check out plugin "Reel smart motion blur" . Used to smooth stuttering/choppy clip. Can be used to smooth hyperlapse/timelapse

Recent “Let me show you” brought me here. Lol. You’re awesome. Nuff said.

💯 bro… the only downfall I can think of is the artificial light flicker you’ll get with cranking it. I saw it in the clip with the groom walking up the steps.

Wait........... I don’t have to be a nurse....... lololol

Thank you! Finally got an answer! 💛

When you break the RU-vid intro rule but it works... LMAO 👍👍😁

I super appreciated this video. So I like and subscribed 😂

Thanks for info. I'm new to videography and suspected that there was probably a bit of latitude in the '180 rule'. I have a Tilta Mirage setup for use with Sony alpha IV and FX3, so theoretically could shoot wide open for a limited DoF look, but even so I'm thinking that being able to crank the shutter in very bright outdoor light could be a useful option too.

You’re good

Break the 180 rule, call that nVu filter. $Free.99

i always do 180 or 179. and uses ND filter. love this info and need to test it out. if i am using Degree, i can use lower number than 180 correct? (not 180 and up)

Hey Vu, do you shoot in slog or an other profile? I’m stil trying to het the best colors out of my a7III? And I was watching your weddingfilms (love the colors) but asked myself how do handle the photographers that also want to have the best shots?😅 Greetz Arthur

Not unless it's completely absolutely necessary

Cool video and great info!

Hey Vu! New subscriber here. I like your style and authenticity. Question: given this info about 180 rule, how often, if ever, do you just shoot aperture priority and let the camera work out the exposure? Maybe if using a gimbal? If you do use a-priority, do you set any parameters on iso range?

Loved the video, your delivery is just on point! Big ups

0:29 LMAO

I agree with you man. Great video

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Hell yes break the rule thank you

This is a huge pet peeve of mine. 99 percent of people will not notice the breaking of this rule. Unless there is a whole lot of motion, there is no way people can tell the difference. When I can, I will use an ND, but frankly after filming thousands of hours of video over the years, I have NEVER had anyone ever ever ever ever ever say, “oh, the shutter speed seems to high, or the motion is weird.🥱For gods sake, it’s ridiculous. Also, I will add, sometime I will go under the 180 degree rule for super low light, if there is not lots of motion, and I can move the camera slowly. Getting that extra light and keeping the iso lower does pay dividends.

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I don’t believe the 180 degree rule unless you’re slowing footage down. If you are watching at the original FPS, then the rule doesn’t apply. I did some experiments. 1/50th sec at 25fps has EXACTLY the same amount of blur as 1/50th second at 50fps! People can’t easiliy differentiate 25fps from 50fps with the same shutter speed. The more ‘knowing’ ones spot it by identifying the relative panning smoothness of 50fps but then say that they don’t like it because it doesn’t look like film! They seemed to latch on to the panning smoothness in order to identify it and missed that ‘filmic jerkiness’. That’s possibly because we have become used to the gap between frames of film and expect to see that ‘choppiness’ with the same amount of motion blur. So set the shutter to 1/50th whatever the frame rate, and most won’t even notice! Actually for dramatic sportsy type stuff, raising the shutter does help the ‘drama’ aspect, but in video, it seems that many don’t like the ‘reality’ available from modern digital cameras and still want the filmic jerkiness; probably out of habit! ;) As long as you watch at the original frame rate, shutter speed remains the same at whatever frame rate you use. You can only move your hand so far in a fraction of a second and changing the frame rate doesn’t alter how much of that movement you recorded. The shutter speed gets it though, exactly the same at whatever frame rate .... Cheers Ian

Great video and subject matter. I think 360 rule for low light if the subject movement is minimal - reduce shutter, Drone footage for FPV using ReelSteady or hypersmooth - crank the shutter, A7S III and catalyst browse - crank the shutter. All these scenarios depend on subject movement to look right. Lots of different scenarios to take into consideration, like your slow motion examples. I did a night drone video and used the 360 rule to get more blur when I speed the video up to create a sped up hyperlapse with trails created by frame blending and the 360 shutter rule. Awesome stuff Vu.