Thanks Nate! There's obviously more technical info on the subject, but that seems to be the simple explanation for what people need to know to make it work!
That was the BEST explanation and visual demonstration I've ever seen in reference to proper cinematic settings. You're gifted at teaching. Thank You So Much👊!
David, can you help me out? With my GoPro, I really like the electronic stabilization, but the electronic stabilization doesn't like motion blur. So if I set my GoPro to 24fps with 1/48 shutter speed with an ND filter, the electronic stabilization doesn't work. I'd prefer not to get a gimbal for my chest mount, but without the nd filters the shutter speed gets super high and therefore it's jittery. For action shots, would you prefer jittery 24fps or less jittery 60fps?
I can shoot at high shutter speeds and nudge my curves in post and get the same look of a ND filter. I do carry a ND and polarizer filter and rarely use them for video. Regarding the 180 rule you may want to read up on it's history and find out how it actually evolved. Here is a hint: Film costs.
I heard the 180 rule isn't really needed on a drone unless you're low to the ground. 🤔 I've been shooting my air2s using the 180 rule with ND filters and It looks better on auto.
Really well done "AGAIN" wish I cld shout you a beer. Phill sayin thanks heaps and yeh of course ive subscribed... N bought the filter set n about to fly for the first time My MAVIC 2 PRO Eiiiiich :-) Phill from AUS saying hiya
David, on picture mode on a gopro would you set the iso to 100 min / max when using a ND filter? I saw a recommendation to do this? What would be the benefit? Would you recommend it?
Okay bear with me here because it'll be a little long. First off you had me waving at my tablet thanks for that!. Also I want to get cinematic with my VW videos. However I'm still intimidated by manually setting my shutter speed. I do most of my shooting on my GoPro 7 at 30 frames per second. But I'm so intimidated by having to manually change my shutter speed. Should I be? I think I just have it on automatic or something. I guess what I'm getting at, it's not just as easy as putting on the ND filter and letting the GoPro figure out the settings automatically when it's sunny. I actually manually have to change my shutter speed. I do want to make my videos more cinematic. I see that the new Sony a 6600 has a a stabilized sensor. I have all the sigma glass for my a6000 that would work great on it. But then I'd also have to get a gimbal I think even though the sensor is stabilized. I'd like to use that kind of setup for my b roll. I'm just thinking out loud congratulations on the 20 thousand subscribers man say hi to the wife for me
Hahhaa! Stoked to have you waving at your tablet! It worked though right?! I totally get where you're coming from with it being intimidating and more so, it's sometimes just a pain in the ass. Because if you put one on because it's super bright outside, then you walk inside, you have to remember to take it back off. Just like you would sunglasses if you walked outside, then back inside. Don't be that guy with sunglasses on inside... One thing the GoPro does to make things slightly easier is auto ISO. Set your min ISO to 100 and your max to 800 and your shutter to 1/double your frame rate. Then your GoPro will use ISO to try to get the proper exposure between 100 and 800 ISO. BUT if it's too dark, like inside, and the GoPro has gone to ISO 800, you have to remove the ND filter to get more light. Again, sort of a pain in the ass and I don't even always use ND filters because of that. If you need that cinematic look though, the only way to do it is with them!
Hahaha! If you don’t have much motion in your video, the higher shutter speed won’t be super distracting. If you do happen to be waving at the camera though, ND filter that thing👍
Liked and subscribed!.. hey quick question, is there a specific rule for using ND filters? Like if i'm using 1/50 for 24fps, down to F1.4, if it is F.1.4 is there a partciular ND filter i'm suppose to use by the rule book or is it whatever that looks best to me? thanks
No set rule! The ND filter is just another tool to reduce the amount of light coming into the lens. Once you set your shutter for your frame rate (1/50 @24fps), you might find that even with your ISO at 100, you have too much light. That's where the ND filter comes in and the level of ND is just whatever you need to create a proper exposure for the situation you're in 👍
@@DavidManningvlog Thanks for responding, i'm using cine4 picture profile, to know if the exposure is at a good level should my camera show "M.M. +0.00" ? I know for Slog they say to overexpose by M.M. +2.0? I have a sony a6500, not sure if you are familiar with that camera. thanks
You got almost everything right but not what people are watching. Never film in 24fps because almost 99.999% of viewers are watching in 60 hertz and about. Today the computer's monitor/display will create the missing frames to match the hertz. Avoid 24fps. too low for high hertz. Also, remember this... every camera only has two things that control the luminance/light, meaning that ISO does not control light, it only use gain after the light has being through the sensors... avoid high ISO. Yes, you should always film with double the frame rate the shuttle speed at all cost. good video!!!
awesome vid!! also congrats on 20k! Maybe can you do the gimbals review next? Also if and when you do the gimbals, can you include in-camera audio possibly to hear possible motor noise? I don't use much music in my videos and use just regular camera audio. Thanks for the video
Hello, excellent video, QUESTION FOR YOU: lately I have been seeing that there is a lot of issues with the hyper smooth and nd filters and shutter speed??? Do you have a video for that, or a comment, apparently low shutter speed screws with hyper smooth. Also does the FPS stay the same 24 or would you up it to 60fps?
please answer my question, how about go pro 8 ? they have aperture f/2.8, and i want to shoot in 4k 60 fps, so i have to use 1/120 right ? and what nd filter number should i use in bright daylight for motovloging nd8/16 ? thank you very much.
Awesome video, not sure if you answer questions but in case you do what i was wondering is, should buy ND filters for my GoPro or just adjust the settings on the GoPro? my videos are fairly basic but always outside. Thanks
ND filters will for sure give you a more cinematic feeling, but it's totally up to you whether you want to go through the hassle. We have some Hawaii vlogs coming out this week and you'll see that I hardly use my ND filters on the GoPro throughout the trip. For a vlog, I don't think it's worth the hassle. If I was working on a project for a client though and I wanted to match a GoPro as closely as I could to my bigger cameras, 100% I would be using ND filters!
I've heard something about doubling the double shutter speed, is this a thing? Like if you do not have an nd filter, can u go from 1/50 to 1/100, then 1/200 etc? I don't think that makes sense, but jusy whay someone said. 🤔
Hi David, I found that ND Filters make the stabilization on GoPro non-existent in auto shutter speed settings. Do you experience the same thing? Greetings from Indonesia. Thank You.
Why did the white balance and light levels look different on the fountain image vs the fountain video? Seems the color is more flat in the video. Is this just something that happens when you’re shooting video vs. taking photos or?
When trying to use ND filters to enable slower shutter speed and motion blur, GoPro hero 7 hypersmooth becomes useless. Seeming up to 1/240 sec. there are many articles and videos on this on the web. have your experienced this? Any suggestions on how to the cinematic blur without turning hypersmooth to mush?
Hey David, a little off topic but I was wondering if you could answer a question for me. I am just starting to vlog with my Pixel 3a and I bought a gimbal. When I video should I turn on video stabilization or do I not need it? Thanks for taking the time to answer my question in advance.
I am a recent subscriber. Enjoy your presentations. Good info and passion. I Have been a GoPro user(7 black) for a couple years. Have recently gotten very interested in learning about cinematography, with an ultimate goal of creating short films. Will be using my Iphone 7 plus and GoPro. My question: I understand the concept of 24fps for achieving the cinematic look. If I want to incorporate slow motion during my work do I change the frame rate for those sequences, then switch back to 24? Thanks in advance for your guidance.
Thanks for the video but on a shot of lets say 100fps, what s 1/50 or 1/1000? Because images are already shot at intervals of 1/100 of second. How does an aperture of 1/50 or 1/1000 go
I usually color grade all of my footage. So even with the ND filter on there, I'm still in flat profile on my Sony A7RII. So a bit of color grading in post👍
Would you bother with ND Filters for everyday use on a GPH8? I don’t want to be constantly changing settings and missing good shots because I’m on the wrong settings.
The jitteryness is not caused by the lack of motion blur, that's a huge misconception, the jitteryness is caused by a lack of information between frames which makes it more like an object it teleporting between frames instead of having a smooth motion, the best way to solve this is have as high as a frame rate as possible with 100% open shutter so 60fps at 1/60th shutter speed has both less motion blur and less jitteryness than 24fps 1/48th.
So if I want to use my gopro hero 9 at 60 fps and 1/120 shutter I might not even get the problem? Is there a reason people dont just shoot with highter fps and the according shutter and just render the video in post in 24 or 30 fps to avoid the need for ND filters? Sorry if im missing something, im new to this stuff.
If you shoot at 60 fps and you are not going to make it a slow motion video, then you should use the shutter speed of 1/60. Gerald Undone has made a great example video of this. Search for gerald undone motion blur
If you adjust light input via higher ISO settings, isn't it a possibility that you introduce grainy pictures? Since you talk about more than just high-end cameras I thought that can be an issue?
hi just wanted to say you have helped me so much with progressing my photography and video skills. you have an incredible talent for teaching and i just love your personality! Keep up the exceptional work, i have no doubt i'm watching the next Peter Mckinnon
Thanks for the explanation! To what extent does an ND filter influence the shutter speed? Do you have to adjust the shutter speed when you also use the ND filter?
I get it now, kinda like my girlfriend. When her mouth (shutter) is going a mile a minute, I dont like her so much. I like her better when her shutter speed is lower and even better when shes filtered.
Yeah buddy! I have one with a few tips. Check it out and let me know if you have any other questions and I'll either get them answered or make a new video about them! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MxQzFPQ0i6w.html
Your videos are very good, but they will be a lot better if you cut down on the comedy act. Once in a while is good, but to constantly do it gets a little old. It is just my opinion.
Great talk / lesson. Really nicely presented. How would a Polarizing filter affect exposure? Seems to darken images as well. Is there an ND equivalent for a polarizing filters affect?
Great question Richard! There's actually ND filters that also have polarizers in them, or you can stack some filters if you're not shooting super wide angle. Most polarizing filters reduce light by about one full stop by themselves. But if you need multiple stops you'll either need an nd filter with polarizer or do a stacking setup
Great lesson thank you! Do you mind sharing some other studio settings? ND filter needed inside? ISO? Your fstop must be high enough for the background shelf to be in focus too. Your "learn photography" video was super helpful too thank you!
Of course! I'll get a video of my setup at some point really soon! The quick of it though is that I'm at f/4 - 1/50th - ISO 400 with no ND filter on for indoor shooting! Stoked to have you watching!
Great break down! I got a lot from your explanation on the order in which you dial in your settings. Have you personally noticed much difference between the cheaper ND filters vs the more expensive options? Would you say a cheap ND filter is better than no ND filter at all? What ND filter brand if any would you recommend for a GoPro?
I can say right off the bat that I've had great experiences with PolarPro ND filters for both my main cameras and GoPro cameras. They're just built really well! The thing to think about with any filter that you put on your camera is that it's like shooting through a window. If the glass on the window you're shooting through is dirty or smudgey, or just of low quality, it's going to affect your image. When buying ND filters for larger cameras, I always ask people why they would buy a $2,000 lens then shoot all their photos and video through a $20 window. Can you see the same effect when shooting GoPro footage? Much less so, but I think it's still there. I'll do a comparison video coming up to see if the price of a GoPro ND filter matters!
Thanks man! That helps me a ton! I gave up on photography because I couldn’t ever get that 180 rule down. While i’m not sure I will go back to photography from videography, it really helps me know what I missed.! Thanks man
David, I knew you were smarter than the other RU-vidrs. You inspire me. Whereas the others say the shutter should be 2x frame rate, you correctly state that it is 1/2x frame rate. Keep up the good work.
Man i have been trying to understand this stuff for a minute now. I would say i am starting my journey at photography even though I have taken thousands of pics on trips, with tons of different settings, to see what the differences are. I am such a noob but want to instinctively know what to do when capturing moments via vid/cam. Now is the time to dive in and your vids are gold to me man! Thanks for putting things in such an easily understandable way! 🍻
Hey Dave, again, another great video. I think one of the best 180 degree rule vids I’ve seen on RU-vid ever. Well done mate. Can’t wait for the next one!
Excellent video on the relationship between still shot and video controls (Frame Rates, Shutter Speeds, ISO, Aperture Settings), and using various ND Filters, too. Thank you for posting this, so I can better understand how to use these elements, as well as, my ND Filters with my new camera drone.
