Sickly Mockingbird - A Song of Ice and Fire Theory 

Pycelle misheard Jon Arryn. What he really said is "the WEED is strong". Which of course refers to Jon's blazer 420 lifestyle

This does make the Alayne story kinda a fun ironic twist of itself! Sweet Robin wants to marry Alayne, but Alayne tells him that it isn’t proper for a noble like him to marry a bastard. If Sweet Robin is Littlefinger’s son, then that statement becomes true, but in the opposite direction. Alayne, who is the actual noble Sansa posing as Littlefinger’s daughter, couldn’t marry the bastard Sweet Robin, who is actually Lysa and Littlefinger’s bastard son.

If this is true then Littlefinger is poisoning his own son to take power in the Vale. Poor Sweet Robin is just another rung on the laddah.

"Jon could no more give me pleasure, than he could give me children" - Lysa Tully "So that means that he must have given her NO childeren" - Glidus "OR it means he gave her precisely ONE PLEASURE" - Me, an intellectual

The first time I read the books I thought this immediately. I have never seen anyone agree with me enough to make a RU-vid vid about it though. You the real mvp

Lysa's obsession with protecting Robin makes more sense if she sees him as a little Petyr.

Maybe when Jon Arryn said the seed is Strong, maybe he really really wanted to tell Robert about the Dance of the Dragons, and how Jacaerys, Lucerys, and Joffrey Velaryon were actually the sons of Harwin Strong. It makes sense, since he was studying genealogy and bastards, hmm? Or what you said. That works too.

Came for the season 8 pisstakes, stay for the ASOIAF theory videos! Keep up the good work m8!

The way Petyr’s eyes just darted across the screen was magical

Completely on board with Sweet Robin being Littlefinger's but I don't know if but into Lysa giving herself Tansy Tea or Moon Tea as her miscarriages are heavily implied to be part of what's driven her crazy and indeed her very first one was also heavily applied to be traumatizing for her.

Damn I can't believe both king Robert and his hand were cucked

This also explains the weird little controversy over where Robert was to be fostered, with Lannisters or with Stannis on Dragonstone. Just before the trial by combat at the Eyrie in AGOT, a septon or a Maester tells Catelyn that Robert was to be fostered with Stannis on Dragonstone, the very same Stannis who accompanied Jon Arryn on his little genetics field study with Robert’s Bastards. They were likely preparing for a major case against both Lysa and Cersei for having had Bastards/committing adultery and needed Robert “Arryn” safely away from Lysa and Littlefinger

Shrewd and hilarious - kind of a crossbreeding of Preston, Alt-Schwift and John Oliver, but with its own style as well. Keep 'em coming!

Yo. I'm 100% sold on Sweet Rob being Littlefinger's twisted, stunted spawn. Makes perfect sense!

"Incest helps us deal with our father's neglect" lol

Would actually make a lot of sense, also explains why Littlefinger has John poisoned seemingly randomly, he surely wouldn't care that Jon was on to the Lannisters.

"You see, copulation is a ladder."

I mean is it really just a theory, when Lysa basically told Sansa to her face that she didn't have children from Jon Arryn?

6:40 although most traits are carried by a large number of genes of small effect, so resemblance within a family is low.... facial features are controlled by just a few genes of strong effect, so "the seed is strong" for them. It's hypothesized that one purpose of human facial variability is to help us recognize kin, so this genetic architecture may have evolved to allow us to do that. One of the 2018 Fisher memorial lectures, available on youtube, goes into it.

It's like I knew all of this, but never really thought about it. That symbolism at the end was great too

Even if the alien egg thing isn't accurate, the Mockingbird symbolism still stands. The Arryn's sigil is also a bird. That could be interpreted as either Robin, a Mockingbird pretending to be a falcon, or Littlefinger, a Mockingbird pretending to be a falcon via breeding with the female falcon (Lysa is technically an Arryn now after all).

I wanted the show to end with an after credit scene of Sweet Robin running through the throne room in the Vale and trip and fall through the moon door to his death.

If this is true it makes Peter even more of a terrible person when you consider he's planning on murdering sweetrobin to put Harry in his place 😭😭

"I spent way too long researching real world effects of incest for this" -LOLOLOL

Walter White: "I am the one who knocks!" Littlefinger: "Pleased to meet you. I am the one who cucks."

It's a fun theory and I want to believe mostly based on Sweet Robin's physical appearance. But didn't Lysa tell Petyr "I would have given you *a* son too, but they murdered him"? It seems like at the very least she doesn't know lil robbo is Petyr's..

I like your style. make more.

This is possible but I doubt it for a few reasons. First Jon Arryn and Stannis were investigating Robert's bastards including Gendry and Barra. Jon died after reading the lineage book where it was shown that all previous marriages between Lannisters and Baratheons resulted in black hair. As far as we know there wasn't a previous marriage between Houses Tully and Arryn to compare Robin to. Next, Robert Arryn has blue eyes like Jon and Lysa rather than Petyr's grey-green eyes and his brown hair could have come from Hoster Tully who had brown hair in his youth (Catelyn XI in AGoT, Catelyn V in ACoK). Also Petyr was never described as sickly and during Lysa's breakdown where she confessed to killing her husband she doesn't say that Robert is Petyr's son. Research has shown that children born to older fathers have more medical issues including an increased risk of seizures which Robert seems to have (www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4372).

Reading A Game of Thrones, Catelyn VI,I noticed that the Vale and its landmarks are like both male and female reproductive systems. The Mountain Road leads to the Bloody gate.The gate is described as two watchtowers joined by a covered bridge over the road. To me this is describing the female reproductive system, the two towers connected over the road symbolizing the ovaries. The original gate was said to be a a rough-hewn unmortared wall built in the fashion of the ringforts of the First Men. It was then replaced by the current gate during the Age of Heroes, and its said that a dozen armies smashed themselves to bits upon it giving it its name, the Bloody Gate. This would symbolize a young girl's flowering to maidenhood. Beyond that is the Vale itself, which is some of the most fertile land in Westeros. This symbolizes the womb. A fertile womb At the Gates of the Moon there is a moat. This is where it switches to the male part of the theory. Over the moat, the Gates of the Moon is described as a 'stout castle that stood at the foot of the Giants Lance'. I think GRRM is having a bit of fun here and is describing a fat arse. Further on at the base of the mountain the first waycastle is called Stone (can you see where im going here?) The path to Stone(balls) from the Gates of the Moon(arse) is covered by forest. ....The trees pressed close, leaning over the path to make a rustling green roof that shut out even the moon, so it seemed as though they were moving up a long black tunnel. Catelyn VI aGoT Stone is surrounded by a stone wall topped with iron spikes and has two fat round towers. I think Stone should be called 'Stones'. The mountain itself is called the Giants Lance which i dont think needs explaining. At the top of the Giants Lance is the start of a waterfall called Alyssa's Tears. It's named for Alyssa Arryn who saw her whole family murdered in front of her and never shed a tear. After her own death, the gods cursed her that she would not know rest until her tears reached the Vale of Arryn, where all those she had loved were buried. Alyssa's Tears, comes down from such a height, that the water turns into mist before it ever reaches the Vale. I believe Alyssa's curse is the reason that House Arryn is plagued by stillbirths miscarriages,infant deaths and mothers dying in the birthing bed. The waters of the Giants Lance(male) never fertilizes the fertile Vale(female) below. There isnt a lot of info on house Arryn but the other Arryns that lived away from the Eyrie seemed to have no problems conceiving children and had quite big families. The Arryn children who did survive may have been born or conceived away from the Eyrie, like Sweetrobin. They may have been conceived in winter when the Arryns descend the mountain to winter at the Gates of the Moon.(mabye the Arryn words should have been "Winter is Cumming") There is a line in Alayne I AFFC...."I won't have him here. You send him back down. I never said that he could come. Not here.The Eyrie is imPREGnable, Mother said." in the paperback i have,the 'preg 'part of the word is italicized for some reason. It's the same in Alayne II...."No one can hurt me so long as I stay here. The Eyrie is imPREGnable." I cant find it printed this way in any other chapter.

I always thought he was trying to say"The seed is wrong." referring to Jofferry being a bastard, but either people misheard him or Maester Pycell was purposely misinterpreting his words.

So nobody pulls out? Is that the true song of ice and fire?

Jon was trying to say Sneed’s seed and feed is going strong. He had been watching the simpsons…

So, i bet the reason Jon Arryn was looking at the book was for his own or LF's lineage and came across the Baratheans by accident. The murder might have been defensive just like Bran's push.

the thing you said in the end makes total sense, just remember that the sigil of house arryn is also a bird

I honestly think it's true. Who could pass on this sort of convoluted dynamic we have going on in the vale?

10:37 "I've been Glidus and if you have been, thank you." Sure thing bud, I've been a Glidus myself for while.

If Sweet Bobby A. is indeed an poison abortion survivor, that would explain how he survives lethal doses of Sweetsleep.

2:14 My "Oh" came at the same time. That was cool.

This theory makes a lot of sense! The only downside is that it would debunk the theory that Sweetrobin's growing telepathic powers, stems from both his mother's Whent genes and Jon's Arryn genes, as both families have a history of skinchanging. Then again, Sweetrobin often sits on a weirwood throne, so that would still serve as a reason.

8:20 i also think if noteworthy that she says brother rather than half-brother here

You got me at the dark droplets of blood from Crusader Kings II popping up at the Lannister children's pictures

The rivendell image is LOTR concept art by alan lee. I'm not sure what the proper citation of it would be.

This video is several years old, but let me just say; MY. GOD. The bit about the mockingbird pretty much sealed it for me, especially considering that's not even Bealish's actual family crest.

the cartoons are really good. wish there was at least one audiobook with animations or a cartoon tv series that was just based on the books.

I don't know why people make the "seed is strong" line more complicated than necessary. It is clearly in reference to Baratheon genetics being dominant. Sweet Robin being Littlefingers son is still possible either way so why would George include it? It just seems like a pretty big stretch and way more convoluted than necessary. In this case the most obvious answer is the right one.

I have a bit of a different theory. Although I do believe that Robin is Peters son and that Jon Arryn was killed for knowing the truth, I believe it was a different truth. In the show, we get the reference that all of the Baratheon children were of dark hair, in other words, the seed is strong. This is why Peter helped Ned in his investigation. Just as he said , chaos is the ladder and I personally believe that he had the necessary foresight to see the possibility of the conflict that would later be known as The War of the Five Kings and that his fathering of Robin Arryn was nothing more than means to an end.

"Drink this. I found it on the moon". If I were batsh*t crazy Lysa, that would sound so exciting. I'd guzzle that sh*t *so* fast... Much more interesting than "tansy tea".

A fun third route: What Jon Arryn meant is "The Seed is (from a) Strong". Rather than find out his son was a bastard directly he found out that another character (maybe Petyr, or even Duncan. Can you imagine he was such a fanboy of the knight he went years looking for his real lineage?) was a descendant of the now extinct Strong House.

But that doesn't explain a point: why littlefinger tries to kill his OWN son and make an adult man lord paramount of the vale instead of ruling the vale through a child? And also, Jon Arryn had a few child who never passed childhood.

I think Jon was suspicious of Cersei & the kids. He researches and realises “the seed is strong” likely referring to black hair. He realises this means cersei’s children are born of incest between lannisters, but also on the back of that realises his “son” has dark hair. His wife is ginger and he is blond. Its s double whammy hidden reveal

Somehow to me the Alien Egg thing was actually the biggest evidence. Thats the modt GURM thing in this theory. Robin is a failed aborted alien bastard fetus egg baby confirmed.

I always thought the phrase was in reference to Gendry being of Robert's "seed," and therefore the rightful heir to the throne.

I actually completely believe it. However, I have read a theory that Jon Arryn had VD from his younger, wilder days (he was more Bobby B than Ned), which resulted in fertility issues. And VD can cause pregnancy loss (like our world syphilis). So it would even more tragic for Lysa. She was forced to purge her love child and then married off to an old man whose disease killed all subsequent babies. And if her fertility was impacted by tansy too, then it was a double whammy. I don't think she would've gotten rid off any babies from her own will - she feels resentful of Cat that her babies were born and lived. The hatred would've been more inward if she was to bame? I can see Petyr convincing her to do it, but I think she would've mentioned this when talking about having 'another baby'. As if Petyr has debt of babies to pay or something.

well, this was a random reccomandation from yt 4y after you posted this this clip, but it's very nice to see your humor (humour? houmour?!) present even in older videos. (now i gotta rewatch the whole pisstake series)

Considering that Ned died before Myrcella maybe lost her ear, you should’ve used her preload ear picture.

It seems very plausible. Just want to say that hair color doesn't completely discount Jon as the father; auburn hair can lead to a brown haired gene being passed along, which when combined with Jon's blonde gene would make for a brown haired child. This doesn't completely dismiss that piece of evidence, especially with the weird genetics of asoiaf, but it does leave the possibility of Jon being the father quite open.

To me it is very clear that Robert is Littlefinger's son. I have no doubt of that in mind and i knew that since i found out LF was fucking with Lysa the whole time of her marriage to Jon

You should delve into theories again - do another slam-dunk like fAegon Blackfyre or Ashara Dayne + Howland Reed = Meera

0:23 Oh these black drops of blood neat little Crusader Kings II reference :D

I'm glad I discovered your channel. I've had this same theory for a while but everyone I mention it to says there's no evidence. Thanks!

This is GOLD

The issues I have with this theory are 1. Littlefinger doesn't seem to have any affection for Sweetrobin and the last thing we saw him do was make plans based around Sweetrobin's death, which suggests to me that if Sweetrobin is Petyr's then Petyr doesn't know about it. 2. So what? It doesn't seem like anyone alive except maybe Petyr know about this, so it's not like anyone can use it as a weapon against him. He might fall into the kinslaying trap if he decides to accelerate Sweetrobin's inevitable death, but again with no one knowing how would anyone realize Petyr committed kinslaying? GRRM does seem to lean into a kind of Karma system for kinslaying, but if that magically brings about Littlefinger's downfall like it did Theon's then it would be very underwhelming.

I'M LATE but mockingbirds actually get alien eggs in their nests. They're very vicious about protecting their nests and will swoop down and beat people with their wings for getting too close. It happens to me every spring since I work outside lol

Halfway through the video I'm like "Oh! So the Mockingbird should actually be a Cuckoo!! And the Arryns are also birds OMGGGGGGGG THE EAGLE IS RAISING ANOTHER MALE'S CHICK AAGXDAAADDGGGHHH" But yeah you covered it :)

I like this theory, it's plausible. Not sure how they would ever reveal it though given little finger doesn't want us to know, maybe he'll just say it in some kind of super villain rant? I would like to hear why you think little finger still wants to kill his son if this is the case, maybe because he only has eyes for catelyn and sansa so a child with lysa is a tortured facsimile of that?

"Hazza" Hardyng, LOL

2:32, there's a bit of text in the black background but I can't pause it in time to see lol

House Arryn is ancient and supposedly magical, and has a long history of wives dying young and fertility issues, maybe having Arryn blood is required to grow healthy and thrive at such heights and the reason Sweetrobin is so sickly is because he doesn’t have the right blood? Like how there must always be a stark in wintefell, there can only be an Arryn in the vale?

The only problem I see is that Arryn went to go look for Robbert’s bastards.

SweetRobin = Alien Egg is a better theory than R+L=J

ASOIAF is murder mystery hiding as a political epic hiding as a fantasy epic

That was fucking hilarious reading the text. That was good, very good. I really hope you do more videos.

This whole Littlefinger guy is up to something i think

👉👉👉WHY dont you have more videos?!?

Joffrey throwing illyn paynes at ned decapitating him is so funny

Omg. I loved it. Just subscribed.

Baelish was getting all up in the Falcon's nest if you know what I mean

So this whole story happens because Stinky Pinky (Littlefinger lol) has to cover his tracks and therefore just takes advantage to finally gain power. HIM? its all about HIM?! your theory sounds correct too. That conclusion i laid out still isn't as bad as how the tv show ended

This is the moment seed became strong

0:11 how did i not notice this before lmfao

Omg...explains the bird name.

Nice. Why LF is constantly risking little Robbin life with medicines if Robbin is his own son ?in the book they hate each other

Just my two cents opinion on Lysa Arryn using moon tea: she would never and never in a million years!!! Damn, she was traumatized by that shit! There's no way she would use it again! Your videos are cool man, only, I prefer when you come up with your own style; it's better than when you employ alt shift x techniques!

Little bird: Mockingbird’s daughter Seed is strong: Robert’s bastards Son is not like the father: Robert’s: bastards Rob and Robin are named after their father. Sansa is the egg laid in another’s nest. Henry the eighth/Robert to Bolelyn sisters/Tully sisters except instead of marriage/execution he loves/leaves. Anyway, Cat has a thing for injured men at the Trident like her daughter-in-law Westerling.

She would've confessed this like everything else before she went through the moon door, no?

So what you're saying is, Jon Arryn's son should be a big guy.

"Drink this I found it on the moon"

I actually didn’t see it coming when the ‘alien eggs’ tangent supported your argument. Well done as always, but what breed of horse is Lysa? 🐴

Lannisters weren’t part of the alliance for Robert’s rebellion!

He cant keep getting away with it !

It is all retconed with F&B, it meant Robert’s children are bastards in reference to the Strong bastards of Rhaenyra.

"Jacked as" ten cones deep and that shit killed me

Crazy that GRRM used that cucku reference in Elden ring years later that pretty much cements this as head cannon for me good shit glimbis

1:05 littlefinger might have been confident it would never get back to him, and wanted ned to figure out half the truth that way ned would be honor bound to call out jof and create more chaos littlefinger could take care of, and also probably lead to neds death which would free up cat for littlefinger. so he could def still be helping ned figure out part of the john aryns death mystery.

And who are Rheanrya’s kids father? HARWEN STRONG

I love you're editing styl. I'm happy to be your 44th subscriber

looks like a lot a fucking work even prior to your editing ! well fucking done !

Gruncle, LOLOL. I really like your videos man.

If Jon had fertility issues would he not just be sterile? Meaning absolutely no signs of potential kids?

The story of A Game of Thrones came about entirely because Petyr Baelish refuses to pull out.