Yep, when I go the range, I flick the safety up after every drill. As I got into handguns in the marine Corp where every handguns has a manual safety so it's second nature to me, the only difference being when i I carried a chiappa for a while.
if you are training properly you automatically swipe off the safety with EVERY presentation, therefore it is impossible to "forget" because it's muscle memory.
Excellent points. The hard work comes after the class of instruction is done and it’s time to CONSISTENTLY practice what was learned during the training.
Your call for practice over more 'training' earned my sub! Most 'training' is actually practice, not instruction. Great call, that may hurt the trainer in the wallet, but ultimately makes far more proficient, safer students.
Can't tell you the number of people I have seen go to (competitive) pistol training courses that never practice what is taught and do not improve. Same thing here. Proficiency is developed by proper practice learned from the best, not by any one day class. There are no shortcuts.
Before Glock came along, virtually all semi auto pistols had a safety. Millions of people carried them. Nobody thought of them as impediments until “Glock Perfection” came along. Now we hear “my safety is between my ears” and “keep your booger hook off the bang switch”. These so called “instructors” teach their students to keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire. If they are so confident that their finger will never touch the trigger, training to disengage the safety is just as easy. Approximately 600 people a year die after being accidentally shot. Many more are shot who don’t die. A safety would have prevented many of them. I own Glocks. Good guns, for sure. They see range time only. I carry either. Ruger LC9S or S&W Shield Plus. Both with safety, and safety engaged. And there is NO WAY I’m carrying appendix with a striker fired gun with no safety.
Thought. If you need a safety and can’t keep your finger off the trigger you aren’t trained enough to not flag others, and other unsafe acts. It shows basic incompetence for basic processes. The most dangerous people that I’ve trained are those that come with a safety. They can barely manipulate the safety, and their muzzle discipline is horrendous. Every single one of them and their mindset is the safety factor. Put them on a static range alone they do fine. Under any pressure and it’s scary.
@@frogmantactical I don’t need a safety. I prefer them. I carried a Glock on duty for many years. And I won’t even shoot at public ranges anymore. Most people are completely incompetent when it comes to safe gun handling because they’ve been taught by other incompetents. I can keep my finger off the trigger just fine, but people are imperfect. Mistakes do get made. I don’t have to think before stepping on the brake pedal to shift into gear. It’s just muscle memory. I used to carry S&W 3rd Gen or Beretta 92 series pistols exclusively. Time went in and lighter and smaller options became available. I switched to the Ruger LC9 and the safety is on the frame with down to fire, instead of on the slide with up to fire. I found myself swiping up on the slide on the Ruger to turn off the safety that isn’t even there due to years of muscle memory. I practiced with an unloaded gun for maybe 10 minutes a night. Within a few weeks, it was totally intuitive. We all perform dozens of activities every day without thinking. Utilizing a safety is no different. There’s a reason for the term Glock Leg. Millions of people carried semi auto pistols with safeties for decades. Somehow, they lived to tell the tale. And I out ZERO stock in “instructors” I see on RU-vid. Any idiot can claim to be an instructor and dress up like an “operator”. Even the well known places exist to sell a fantasy to the customer.
@@frogmantactical - Thought: all my other firearms have safeties, including my Remington 870, Stoeger Condor, S&W AR15, Springfield 30-06, Savage 30-06, Ruger 10/22, and many others. So in keeping with those, I also elect to carry a racked pistol with manual safety. My only exception is a Ruger LCP Max for pocket carry, in a Kydex Hawg holster that serves as a safety IMO. Trust me, I am extremely competent with all my firearms, and muzzle discipline is paramount.
Pheasant hunters know that disengaging a safety becomes muscle memory if you do it enough. Shoulder that shotgun enough times and you release the safety without even thinking about it. You can, and should, practice drawing with an unloaded weapon over and over until it becomes automatic.
Completely agree. All students need to practice/train on their own to keep the skills they've learned and improve either on their own or by getting additional training.
My first gun was a S&W 380ez with a manual safety. I am an older citizen (70 yrs today2023) and didn’t feel I could handle the power of 9mm. After my first class where it was drilled into me about sweeping the safety off, I went home and dry practiced time and time again just drawing the gun and sweeping the safety off. It became so ingrained in my muscle memory that when I decided that I could handle more power I purchased an IWI Masada a very good gun by the way, still I went home and practiced drawing the gun. It took over 2 months for me to stop sweeping the left side of the gun to disengage the nonexistent safety. In a previous video you said to practice till you can’t get it wrong. No truer words were ever spoken. Keep up the good work. Blessed be.
@@LastTrump7 Based on your reply, you live in a nice neighborhood and probably never experience any violence towards you. I can tell you for a fact that it is not enough. Being almost killed by three people in an attempted robbery, I know it is not enough. Even police officers will tell you that people could receive a whole magazine emptied into them, and they still shooting back.
@@LastTrump7 I never heard of a single person say, "I wish I had less bullets". When the shit hits the fan, and it will, you will wish you planned otherwise. Take care.
@@LastTrump7 And you are wrong thinking that the only person that survives multiple hits from an aggressor is full of drugs. That is factually incorrect. What matters is shot placement. Most of the time, you will either miss the shot, or hit an organ that is not vital. With that said, good luck to you.
I carry a sig with a safety when I go to the range I put 2 or three rounds in each mag at a time,that gives me alot more time operating the controls on the firearm .
The absolute worst advice is to leave the safety off, and pretend that it’s not there. Either carry a gun with a safety or without, and train accordingly. If your gun has a safety, respect it and use it properly at all times. If you lack that discipline, you will also lack the discipline it takes to carry a gun without a safety. It’s all about training and practice, just like they say here.
this is a good topic. as it stands now, i carry a 92f iwb(pays to be skinny'ish), or sig 227. the 92 as you know has a manual safety. it's also the gun i'm personally most comfortable with, and train the most with. when i'm holstering, i apply the safety, which also de-cocks the pistol, then i return the safety to the firing position. i essentially use it only as a de-cocker. when i draw, first shot is in double action, then any followup shots are single action. i'd like to switch over to a g19 for iwb carry, but i can't get my mind wrapped around the lack of a safety. i know it's safe, because there's millions that do it, but i just can't personally get there. yet.
You should still train to disengage the safety as you present. Always. On every single presentation. Because manual safeties can and do get accidentally engaged and disengaged thanks to Mr. Murphy and his law.
That's why I like to tell people to go to the range by yourself rent some guns or go with friends or family shoot as many different types of firearms as possible before you buy one. Only then when you find a firearm comfortable and that suits your needs then go to training classes
I carry with a safety because it’s so easy to take off and it makes the gun much safer in big group settings like family birthday parties.I can not afford a p320 like discharge around the family I’m supposed to protect.
During the video, it was said he drew but did not fire because he forgot to disengage the safety. It was also said that he was fine because the aggressor withdrew upon presentation of the gun. I think this opens the conversation for whether of not there was really a necessity to shot the person. In a way, he may have been lucky because the attacker retreated and he didn't have to go through all the legal expenses and headache that would have resulting in him actually shooting someone - even if 100% justified. I'm curious as to how people view this. I know some people say one of the advantages of the thumb safety is it makes that final decision to shoot more deliberate and helps prevent the a possible overreaction to a situation. I personally like a thumb safety and train for it on all my carry guns.
I have a 365XL, no safety. I absolutely love how it performs (not sponsored by them). The student needs to get his reps in if he wishes to carry with a safety engaged. He’s being a liability not only to himself but to any family members/friends that might be around if he’s ever faced with a similar scenario.
I have the odd issue where I even swipe the safety on a firearm without a safety haha. I like doing the same safety manipulation across all my platforms from rifle, pistol, to shotgun. When down safety on, when up safety off (generalizing of course). Haha just what I accustomed myself to.
Great points about training on your own (especially dry fire training for this). I’ve gotten my first striker fired pistol with a manual safety (SAR9 @ $250 from PSA last month) and love everything about it except the manual safety. All my others do not have one, so I basically have this for training / plinking plus extra home security in a holster with the manual OFF since I don’t train manual safety on any other pistols. Not a fan of them on my CCW firearms… (Obviously still useful for rifles/carbines and hammer-fired pistols)
It's just a matter of training to auto swipe the safety as you present the gun. There is no reason whatsoever to "not be a fan" of a manual safety if you are actually training. What I am 'not a fan of' is multiple types of manuals of arms in defensive firearms. Or even worse, people switching up CCWs regularly. This is extremely unwise.
I’ve asked this question a hundred times and never gotten an answer: why the distinction between a hammer fired weapon and a striker fired one? The job of the safety is to prevent the trigger from being pulled. Why does it matter if it’s a hammer or striker? I’m Perfectly comfortable carrying a hammer fired weapon without a safety. I sometimes carry my 3953. Longer trigger pull and hammer to rest my thumb in as I holster. No way am I slipping a striker fired gun into my waistband without a manual safety.
Hello I was wondering if you looked at the Springfield Armory XD in 40 s.w. Just wanted to see what your thoughts are on it . Thank you for all you are doing to help us out .
I would give anything to even have a day with Jason Pike and take that single day and apply that single days training on a daily, especially every weekends. such missed opportunity to not take that knowledge and apply it consistency.
Use the safety only while you are casually holstering and unholstering the gun and there is no threat. After its holstered take the safety off so there is nothing to forget while under stress.
@@gdude7397 Oh, you need somebody else to make your argument for you? Come on Einstein, don't be bashful. You're the one that said it. Enlighten me oh great one.
Sounds like this individual needs to reflect on his choice of firearm and come to grips with the fact that his choice requires building in an extra step and take the responsibility of building in the muscle memory through dry fire...I know I'm stating the obvious but clearly this person is just looking for someone to blame for his ineptitude...And to take it a step further without knowing the facts, I would question his judgment under the circumstances...Was he drawing at gun point? Did he need to draw in the first place?...So many questions 🤔
glock is great for people with poor or no training....except that those people also have the worst trigger discipline. There is no reason for a skilled shooter to ever feel compelled to choose a gun without a manual safety.
@@tangoyankee7521 100% backwards. People with no training choose a gun with no safety because they know they are not *competent* to operate one under stress. 1911s and BHPs with manual safeties were *the* weapon of choice for elite forces and swat teams for almost a century. If you cannot handle a manual safety it is because you are *incompetent*
@@frogmantactical agreed i dont see what is gained with one. Except (feeling) safe. No safety will stop you from shooting yourself in the leg with a glock etc. When you break it down and forget to check the chamber. Its anothet 1911 thing that some cant let go of or new shooters scared of thier gun!!
Imagine hiking in a cold, grizzly bear-populated area, armed with a 10mm. The challenge here isn't just about handling the firearm properly; it's also about managing it while wearing multiple layers of clothing, possibly a harness and other gear. In such a situation, visibility of the sidearm can be limited, making the process of re-holstering more complex and precarious. Here, the value of a thumb safety should be obvious. Hopefully, the value of a thumb safety on a 1911 with a 2-3lbs trigger is also obvious. The other thing to consider is that the person who can't reliably disengage a thumb safety is probably a person that doesn't have good trigger discipline and is likely to shoot his dick off while appendix carrying a Glock.
@@CommonSensePlease-1 So its so dangerouse that your worried abot drawing a handgun for protection and you have it buried unders layers if gear??? Lots of rigs to keep that handgun handy while hiking etc. Dont create your own issue to try and prove a point.
Dude this is so irresponsible- so this guys gun failed but he lived to tell about it and came back for more training? As in next time he pulls his weapon on someone who isn't intent on killing him- he will kill them. You all are the problem bro. . All this "tac guy' bullshit- hahahaha. Really think about what your watching here fellas.
@@williamtoney2599 🙄 with a safety. Glock is the only company to not put external manual safeties on their guns and to tell morons who want them “deal with it”
@@TheTurdballs420 Really, the only company without manual safeties? You need to get out of your cave more. Almost every polymer striker fire gun has NO safety. Even the ones that offer with safety also offer without safety.
@@TheTurdballs420 yeah I hear you. At least with M&P and Sig it’s like Burger King…you can get it your way 😊. I think manual safeties are great if that’s what you are accustomed to, but if not….you better plan on a lot of practice. I love the 1911, but that’s exactly why I don’t carry one.
@@williamtoney2599 That’s why I love Glock as a company. They don’t let you have it your way. If you want something stupid on your gun like a manual safety they tell you to go away. I’m sure they could sell a few more guns if they did put stupid manual safeties on their guns but they don’t. Got to respect that
