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Sig MPX 9mm vs. Water - Did Sig fix the failures?

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If you go back to our Sig Sauer MPX Gauntlet video, you'll see the Sig MPX fails to work if you put as little as a tablespoon of water in the barrel. Sig said they fixed the problem and sent me a new gun. Did they fix it? Does the Sig Sauer MPX now work in water?
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@dshall442 3 года назад

So, moral of the story continues to be: If you want a Sig product, best to wait 3 years after launch so Sig can finish development.

@brighthought11 3 года назад

seems that way with the recently released cross.

@idiotmannen 3 года назад

*if you want a Sig USA product. Fixed.

@dshall442 3 года назад

@@idiotmannen didn't Sig Germany shut down?

@ccc9139 3 года назад

I just don’t buy Sig

@kpz1234 3 года назад

Or just buy an HK....

@DaveL9170 3 года назад

Technically speaking wouldn’t this now be a WATER MOCCASIN instead of a Copperhead?? Lol.

@majormassenspektrometer 3 года назад

lol

@thesmallestminorityisthein4045 3 года назад

Your terms are acceptable.

@GriffXJ 3 года назад

I hate how SIG claims they knew of these problems and fixed them without really telling anyone.

@Frens03 3 года назад

How many of us are doing marittime ops? For 99.9% of the commercial consumers a pcc is just a range toy

@TheHonestTruth 3 года назад

@@Frens03 lots of people live where it snows

@Mikelee225 3 года назад

@@Frens03 but thing is it failed with just a spoon full of water which means rain could disable the gun

@Deadtileyedie 3 года назад

@@Frens03 most people live where it rains bud.. Lol

@R.Tafolla 3 года назад

@@Frens03 I didn’t know a tablespoon of water (which caused a malfunction) is maritime ops 😂

@kyleabrezzi 3 года назад

*Mac tests out a sig firearm* Sig: *sweats heavily and shakes like moff gideon*

@zaca952 3 года назад

To be honest this seriously makes me reconsider ever purchasing a Sig firearm, there was a problem they knew about but sold them anyway touting how reliable they are. Also I do find the slight water in the barrel causing malfunctions to be a extreme issue, up here in Montana with the snow it is near impossible to keep water out of your barrel when going through thick brush as snow falls off the trees and all over your rifle, granted that is during hunting season and I'm using a bolt action 30-06 but an mpx as a bug out weapon or a pdw would be a poor choice if it takes so little to fail. The new ones maybe good to go, but it seems like with sig maybe they have another problem hoping nobody will bring it to the light and force them to fix it, great video as always

@Militaryarmschannel 3 года назад

People said I was overblowing the issues of water in the barrel. Sure, if you live in a desert it's not likely to be an issue. However, where I live it snows. When you go outside with a warm gun, when the show lands on it you get water. It also rains here, a lot at times. If you're outside in adverse weather it could be an issue. Most shooters never spend any time outside when the weather is less than ideal. For them, it's a non-issue. For those of us that practically live outside, I don't want my defensive arm not working with a dab of water in the barrel. So, I agree with you. Happy New Year.

@dreadog6425 3 года назад

Pleases dont buy one, that will leave more for the rest of us. The Model T didn't start and run the first time out. It's part of the process with innovation. Wieners like you discourage innovators from trying new things. I would be concerned if they fluffed the off. The gun is now better because of the process. Sorry for now you wont be able to go lobster hunting with the MPX you dont own.

@NickBlazer-cf1vs 3 года назад

Awesome follow up Video Tim. Thanks for the update, and keeping the big guys (Sig) on point. Nothing is perfect. It takes Balls to call them out! Nice real world test.

@pterodox123 3 года назад

@@dreadog6425 I'm not sure gas block holes are innovative.

@zaca952 3 года назад

@@Militaryarmschannel thank you and Happy New year to you too! Yeah I understand some teething issues but with Sig they let a known problem go so long and now they instituted a change and gave no new designation to help those with an existing mpx to easily know if there pistol is affected. But I'm really considering that PSA AKV,

@srt4addict 3 года назад

Let me get this straight... Sig actually admitted there was an issue and then they fixed it? They even went as far as sending Tim another MPX to try? Inconceivable! 2020 is wild... I guess they figured Tim would just call them out if they backdoored the fix and denied the problem... haha, they are learning! Good job Sig!

@Militaryarmschannel 3 года назад

😂 I’m glad Sig is being proactive.

@brighthought11 3 года назад

same here, big fan of their products. I own a p365xl (which replaced my 43x which I like alot) and a sig 1911 45acp, both have been flawless and I would never sell either. other interests : p320 scorpion, p229 legion or 1911 tac ops in 10mm sig mpx/rattler some of their 556/308 offerings and the cross when they fix it. any thoughts on their .277 fury round?

@Militaryarmschannel 3 года назад

@@brighthought11 I have several Sig products I love. My Rattler, my Virtus, my 716i, my P365XL, even my decom M17.

@brighthought11 3 года назад

@ Military Arms Channel The 716i looks very interesting, especially at the price point. regarding 308 semis, I started out with a m1a socom and switched over to a scar17, I am now building a SLR/Criterion AR10. Also interested in other 308 offerings from the likes of DD, LMT, Sig 716i, and others. Trying to see what feels the best and performs the best for the $.

@bigmad3123 3 года назад

At this point, MAC should be getting paid this, lol...

@yugbe 3 года назад

I've always been impressed that Federal supplies you ammo. It IS a contributing factor to me purchasing their range ammo. (I use Underwood for my SD rounds). But, when you showed me the 9mm rounds in the mag, I shed a tear, as its like watching you shoot gold. Lol I'd do just about anything to purchase some decently priced 9mm ammo. I got into HAM radio recently... because its a less expensive hobby. No Lie!

@ReverendMeat51 3 года назад

Ha, I took up Warhammer, as notoriously expensive as it is it's still cheaper than buying ammo these days

@ferretsmiles 3 года назад

Just go to bass pro. Literally 13 cents a round.

@markdougherty9917 3 года назад

Online there’s usually some available by this point but it’s usually pretty pricy. I paid 65 cents per 9mm last time

@Deadtileyedie 3 года назад

I use underwood for carry and my nightstand guns as well in my hunting revolver and g20. They make great ammo and being coyotes and larger coywolves are a large problem in my area and can be legally eliminated on site I test ALOT of ammo and I've always been very impressed with everything I've purchased from underwood as well as advertised velocity matching what Ive chronoed! I always keep federal around and use it in alot of my rifles and keep a few spare mags of hst! They are a great company!

@BertShackleford 3 года назад

@@ReverendMeat51 I waited for over 20+ years for a game like Total War: Warhammer (1 & 2) to finally come to fruition. I simply do not have the patience nor the artistic capability to paint miniatures. Plus the rules are seemingly endless. So when my wife and I (used to) play, it was with the stock grey miniatures after they were assembled. That all stopped once I learned about Creative Assembly and their upcoming TWW game. I was so ecstatic that I purchased a PC Gaming _Monster_ computer just so I could flawlessly play this computer game. Longevity was key when I purchased this gaming rig. It was also somewhat difficult to squeeze the trigger on the purchase being a 2A family. The many-many thousands of dollars this computer cost could have easily set me up with a plethora of "got to have it" 2A items. I could have just as easily upgraded to the latest and greatest NODs for the same price with some extra left over for ammo. Nonetheless, I can safely say I/we are happy with our decision towards purchasing this incredible PC I am currently using. Suffice to say that it has paid for itself. Stay classy my friend.

@gabrielroy9292 3 года назад

Sig talked to Tim. Wow.

@senavicente 3 года назад

Such honor.... much amazement.... wow

@KlaustheViking 3 года назад

Now if they would talk to the rest of us...

@ETHRON1 3 года назад

@E like the government.

@Mattipazz0 3 года назад

You just know that every time a MAC video comes out, someone at SIG shits their pants

@nicholasnissen1547 3 года назад

lol fingers crossed and heavy breathing

@RealRonSwanson 3 года назад

MAC: SIG T&E Department

@Leo___________ 3 года назад

Every new SIG is an open beta

@roul3688 3 года назад

Sig: “we were aware of the issue”... but they sell these for $2500 anyways?

@chrisclark6161 3 года назад

I'm assuming that was a typo. They sold for like 1500. retailers bumping the price for covid still leaves it under 2500. Once you contextualize the issue, it was still worth 1500. It's been out for 7 years, and this has never come up before. It's not a serious issue, unless you just want to bash sig.

@roul3688 3 года назад

@@chrisclark6161 On GunBroker, I see them between $2200 and $2800. And yes, I do want to bash Sig. They routinely sell expensive products to the public without doing serious testing. They expect the consumer to pay to do their testing. We’ve seen it with the P365, 322, MCX, Cross and more. It’s ridiculous to pay 1000’s of dollars for their untested products.

@chrisclark6161 3 года назад

@@roul3688 That would be retailers and private sales asking 2,800 due to covid/election panic. Mine was 1500, which is a fair price. Also, I completely understand wanting to bash sig for truely fucking up a lot of stuff. But this isn't a strong case for it. This is an example of being too bash happy. It's an issue you have to deliberatly find, and a very minor one at that. It's also not unique. Early ARs recommended draining the barrel after submersion, and it's standard practice in the military to eject the round and drain the barrel to this day.

@roul3688 3 года назад

@@chrisclark6161 Maybe it’s just me, but I would think that before selling a military grade product, likely initially designed for the military, they would’ve dunked their gun into some water during their testing... that is of course if they test beyond firing 3 rounds. I’m not military but if I’m spending $1500 and up on what’s supposed to be a military grade product, I expect it to at least be as reliable as an AR or AK.

@chrisclark6161 3 года назад

@@roul3688 well an AK would have died on the mud portion, and the MPX handled that flawlessly. So if you want to spend 1500 dollars on a gun that's as reliable as the AK, the MPX is a good choice

@GraigLeatherbury 3 года назад

I'm impressed they 1) watched the first video, 2) contacted Tim, and 3) admitted there was an issue... As much as they exude the perception of walking on water, that's a major step down from their high horse.

@blackwater4100 3 года назад

Your channel never fails to entertain and teach me new things! Thank you for your work! :)

@Militaryarmschannel 3 года назад

Thank you and thanks for watching.

@nomad753 3 года назад

Sig is a company I really had no dealings with for most of my adult life. I'm 45 now , and after owning both the Sig M17 and the 2022 , I'm looking at the brand more and more. Thanks for the awesome review. Best channel on RU-vid my friend. Keep up the good work.

@brownrecluse3772 3 года назад

STOP looking!! LOOK at CZ!!

@floridahdshooter 3 года назад

Ahh Sig R&D team = consumers.

@jabr991 3 года назад

I snort laughed

@g.k.6913 3 года назад

So controversial yet so true.

@davidwevans4132 3 года назад

I guess they figured that, if it is good enough for Taurus, should be good enough for them too! I personally know 31 people who own Taurus handguns. And each has sent it back, Taurus fixed the problem and returned it to the purchaser, free of charge! No problems since then! Yeah?!?!?! Why don't they just assemble the thing properly, in the first place!! And it's not just them, seems like 99% of purchasers, have had to send it back. They keep telling me that I should buy Taurus. I think I will continue to buy Colt, Ruger, S&W, Dan Wesson, Browning, Charter Arms, High Standard, Star, Winchester, Remington, Mossberg, H&R, Armalite, Husqvarna, Ithaca, Marlin, Mauser, Savage-Stevens. New or Used, doesn't bother me. I've got a Remington 1911 R1, and have had NO problems with it! 700 rounds so far (and then I cleaned it!). I punched the bore with a Bronze Brush every 50 rnds, but wanted to push it a bit. Works as well as my Colt Government Model, Series 70, Mark 4. I will end here.

@mariomifsud4650 3 года назад

Thanks for the testing and follow-up Tim. I've got a GEN 1 MPX and it has run flawlessly. Chopped the barrel to 4.5" (before the K barrel was available to CIVs) and run suppressed with no issues. Not super concerned by this issue, but if SIG wants to update my gas block, I'll certainly accept!

@jamesdevore3022 3 года назад

You know if I ever become a gun manufacturer EVERY single design will be sent to MAC before release. If anybody is gonna have issues out of a gun it'll be MAC.

@isoplus3513 3 года назад

MAC, the only youtube channel you don't want to see your firearm featured on... lol

@Militaryarmschannel 3 года назад

😂 Happy New Year.

@torranceparsons5216 3 года назад

@@Militaryarmschannel Just pulled my Gen2 “K” down purchased outa Utah Jan/Feb 2020 and had the newest oblong port gas block, no Timney trigger, maybe I got lucky because it sounds like it was purchased not long after the one you guys had issues with 🤷🏻‍♂️

@Ufos4dahoes 3 года назад

Whomever at Sig that saw the first gauntlet test & decided to improve the weapon. You need a raise, the industry needs more people with the balls to fix their mistakes!

@uh60ce1 3 года назад

They should have named it the Gremlin. Don't get it wet. What happens if you feed it after midnight 🤔

@joemamma3288 3 года назад

best comment

@Mrgunsngear 3 года назад

thanks

@youmasajp 3 года назад

If only they could listen to your videos as well and stop building skyscrapers on top of their slides. Low bore axis is not exactly a new thing.

@tacticaltruth6Actual 3 года назад

@@youmasajp Shaddup! The whole "bore axis" thing is just an urban legend to validate one purchase over another. Have you actually ever shot a Sig? Be a man and learn how to manage recoil.

@youmasajp 3 года назад

@@tacticaltruth6Actual what do you think sweetheart? Manning up on RU-vid does not fix physics.

@rideordietheyretring2tranx382 3 года назад

love Vids like this...real life info---> fer life err. deth

@prone_wolf8871 3 года назад

@@youmasajp false.....physics or not it doesn't make or break anyone.....there is a sig shooting team and they shoot 320s just fine hahaha

@hootsmccoy1450 3 года назад

Thank you for the follow up. Was my first sig and your video let me in the dark fields of issues they have had over the last couple of years. I’m no “operator” but prefer to have a solid gun when punching holes in targets, paper or wood.

@CzechoslovakGunStories 3 года назад

Thank you Tim for letting us know... you seem to do more troubleshooting for various companies than their own staff :)

@Militaryarmschannel 3 года назад

Someone has to keep them honest. Because we're Patreon supported (formerly RU-vid supported until demonetization) we don't need money from the gun companies to keep our business going. That means we can show you the flaws we find and not gloss over them or completely omit them. Happy New Year!

@CzechoslovakGunStories 3 года назад

@@Militaryarmschannel and that's exactly why I have been watching your vids for years now... (+ As a patriot I like that you carry a CZ75 :D)

@Kentucky.Tactical 3 года назад

Very informative video. Best guntuber on RU-vid. I've been trying to buy a MPX for over a year and can never find one in stock. Now they fetch ridiculous prices.

@matchaisasoup 3 года назад

Especially trying to get one here in IL.

@sonicnofadz 3 года назад

Love me gen2 mpx, do not give a crap about submerged performance lol. This little gun kicks ass

@truckshackley373 3 года назад

When Tim fired the first few shots with the brace folded I thought he had caved to the ATF and that whole braced pistol letter fiasco...but then he unfolded the brace and fired the gun with it in place for the rest of the video... there was suddenly peace and harmony in the universe

@Militaryarmschannel 3 года назад

That was done with purpose. When we filmed this that letter was going to post to the Federal Register and we had broken the news about the letting coming down.

@truckshackley373 3 года назад

@@Militaryarmschannel Oh, I see, sort of your way of raising your middle finger to ATF and their Draconian attempt at gun control.

@fancyultrafresh3264 3 года назад

Sig does more product testing by way of consumer failure than Kel-Tec. Jesus. At least Kel-Tec is usually a quarter the price....

@armisteadlucascolemanii7256 3 года назад

I refuse to carry any Keltec in my shop. Nothing but failures with them. I warn customers who order them too! Hahhaha

@Headbangin4Jesus 3 года назад

I've never had a problem with my KSG.

@josholdham1033 3 года назад

@@armisteadlucascolemanii7256 I have a PF9 that’s been perfect for about 400rds over a couple years. Same with a gen1 Sub2K I had back in the day. No problems. Had a 380 P3AT though that was fine for a while and then gave me issues, so I sold it.

@HotelBravo556 3 года назад

@@josholdham1033 lol 400rds over multiple YEARS? Your testimony means nothing to counter the well established terrible track record KelTec has earned. Do 1,000rds over a couple DAYS and get back to us.

@josholdham1033 3 года назад

@@HotelBravo556 Ok Mr. Internet Expert, you’ve humbled me with your arrogantly spoken bullshit. When you have lots of guns, sometimes a small one only gets shot every once in a while. It’s not my carry gun, there are way better options out there. I didn’t even say I love Keltec or argue with anyone, just that 2 out of 3 of my experiences have been decent. If anecdotal, non-biased experience l means nothing to you, then you are clearly very attached to your opinion and I couldn’t care less. Maybe you are the type to claim that you have lots of guns and you’ve torture tested them all with thousands of rounds, but I prefer to be honest about my experiences and not add to the mountains of bravado out there. Have a nice day

@Joe.dirt7909 3 года назад

Typically Sig response “O We Know...We Have A Problem)

@jbell8887 3 года назад

Hi Tim! Thanks for letting us Sig MPX owners know. I just called Sig and referred to your video. They said NO to me about modifying my MPX.They said it was my "perceived problem" and that they couldn't do anything about it, unless I had a problem with the hydro-locking. I said its not a "perceived problem" if you (Sig) admitted there was a problem and made a modification. I'm very disappointed in Sig after being a loyal customer for 25 years and owning at least 6 Sig firearms. Poor customer relations!

@williamflowers9435 3 года назад

Shouldn’t SIG offer to replace or send out the new gas blocks free of charge upon request? Seems like the fair thing to do considering the price

@tteot1wph 3 года назад

Yep

@KM_1983 3 года назад

Even if the do the "voluntary upgrade program" thing they did with the 320 it would be ok.

@wendellsawyer4386 3 года назад

Why?

@5ChG 3 года назад

I was thinking about cutting the hole and you said at that moment not to.

@brobertson136 3 года назад

I have an mpx PCC bought new in mid 2019 from PSA, it has the long slot in gas block. 4k rounds and not one issue. Edit* spelling

@kde71450 3 года назад

And that's why you're in the top TEN gun channels. Well Done!

@Militaryarmschannel 3 года назад

Thanks Ken. Happy New Year!

@aarongeisler 3 года назад

I have a new SIG Copperhead K and don't know which gas blocks cuts it has. The MAC tests are fun to watch and he provides a wealth of information to the shooting community. My combat days are hopefully long over and my gun used for home defense and local matches where braced pistols are allowed. Here in Oregon it does rain at matches on occasion, but I'm not going to run out and sell my Copperhead K. If it every hydro-locks, I will know what action to take.

@Militaryarmschannel 3 года назад

I think the vast majority of shooters are in the same boat as you. Most will never fire their MPX outside when it's raining or snowing for any length of time. The guns will be taken to the range on nice days or shot indoors 99% of the time. However, in my case, if I know there is an issue I naturally want it fixed. It's a personality quirk. Happy New Year!

@armisteadlucascolemanii7256 3 года назад

I have 2 MPX set up in SBR configurations. Absolutely love them both. I have not had issues with them, one has just over 2000 rounds through it. The other has about 500. I changed out the charge handles first thing, Cerakote of course. But besides that, they are stock 8 inch barreled units.

@MrVinicios01 3 года назад

Simply the best RU-vid channel along to Paul Harrell

@Militaryarmschannel 3 года назад

Thanks and Happy New Year!

@jamesalexander7540 3 года назад

Thank you very much for your time and effort. Your ability to find and problem and your reputation as a reliable source of information are an asset to both the shooters and manufactures.

@timewave02012 3 года назад

"I wanted a little bit more area for my left hand" at 3:11 sounds like something a hostile BATFE could construe as "redesigning" to fire with two hands.

@ckkevin9620 3 года назад

I love Sig but damn they have so many issues compared to other guns. I have had several P320s and they have had a couple issues here and there. Had to send first one back to Sig because of a reset issue. My P320 RX has been flawless. My MPX had a broken firing pin and they sent me back an entirely new bolt. Just recently replaced the firing pin extractor and kept the o ring out and it seems to be running fine now (knock on wood) Surprisingly my P365 (again knock on wood) has run flawlessly. Now the Sig Cross firing on it's own. Come on Sig!!! When they get it right it's awesome but seems they very seldom get it right on the first try these days.

@Militaryarmschannel 3 года назад

I think they are overwhelmed by their own success.

@brighthought11 3 года назад

in a small sample my p365xl and sig 1911 45 acp have both functioned flawless, had a glock 43 and a glock 20 that did not run well reliably, but had a g17 and 43x that never had a hiccup. My CZ 75 P01 thanks to this channels recommendation has been perfect, would never sell it.

@993isgawd 3 года назад

Well now I pretty much know that MY 2nd gen MPX will fail the water test since its build is significantly older than any of the three cited here. Happy New Year to you too, SIG.

@vigunfighter 3 года назад

My MPX, which is about 5 years old, bobbed at first, with failures to feed. I smoothed the feed ramps and cleared that up. It ran almost flawlessly for a few years, then it stated short stroking with failures to eject. It got worse and worse until it totally became a single shot weapon.... Contacted Sig, they were aware and sent a re-designed gas plug. Substantially different from the original. Swapped it out and she's running great again. A buddy bought his MPX same time as mine and his developled the same issue. Again, swapped out the newly designed gas plug and it too, is running properly again.

@KM_1983 3 года назад

Interesting. Wonder if they do a fix on this if a new barrel would come with a new gas plug too for preemptive?

@BarterBales 3 года назад

Thanks for the investigation, fun to figure things out!

@mess0965 3 года назад

My gas block fell apart about 1 year ago. I sent the MPX back to SIG and they fixed it. I had it back within 8 days of shipping it out. I have an 8" barrel and SRD9 suppressor. The only other problem was I had to break in the magazines. I thoroughly enjoy shooting my MPX. Where are the conversion kits... 40S&W & 357SIG!!!

@Militaryarmschannel 3 года назад

What a mess! I have my original MPX that never had any issues. I've always had good luck with the black follower mags in it. I keep the 1st gen mags with the 1gen gun and the 2nd gen mags with the 2nd gen gun. So far no mag issues.

@fredboat 3 года назад

Thanks for the info/video Enjoyed it. I bought my Sig MPX pistol Gen 1 in June 2015 and SBRd it soon after, No lame brace, A real stock and no legal hassle and it runs fine, I have 4 different 9mm cans and get a lot of blow back and as a left handed shooter it is no joy to shoot suppressed, Mine has the small gas block hole and I will leave it as is. I put the CMMG trigger pack in it and that helped a lot. A handy firearm, Later from Texas.

@rambobytes 3 года назад

Great analysis! After pouring in the water, you immediately went horizontal and began shooting. I would love to know what would happen if you first tipped the barrel down for half a second to let some water drain out before firing.

@rambobytes 3 года назад

Just watched the video at ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dmWOTBQdePo.html and at about the 8:00 mark, he completely submerges the Galil Ace pistol, pulls it out of the water and immediately fires. After one shot, it malfunctions and he has to pull the charge handle back and it worked for subsequent shots. Maybe malfunctioning with water in it is not as unusual and worrisome as some would believe. Just expect to have to recharge the weapon.

@doctor_m9481 3 года назад

I purchased my sig mpx with timney trigger in late April of 2020. It has the updated slit (not hole)

@hectorgalvan9046 3 года назад

So is it fix bro? I bought mine around the same time

@ag111ga 3 года назад

I guessed the fix before watching, that's no biggie, the big news is that SIG admitted a problem. :)

@robertburger8133 3 года назад

Glad they fixed it. Heavily considering one now.

@tteot1wph 3 года назад

I think this pushed me over the edge. Gonna start saving for one

@randyprater5773 3 года назад

Took apart my midnight black copperhead last night and I actually have the elongated port on my gas block. Oddly enough the build date was 8/2019 and I purchased it new September of 2020 🤔

@stefanmolnapor910 3 года назад

Glad to see they corrected it.......

@cfreeman9601 3 года назад

Sig may have messed up not figuring this out in more depth of some of their firearms. I own several SIG products and never had any issues with them and also SIG is literally like the only company that is actually coming up with new designs/products than any other company out there. So in some sense there will be issues with new products they make, but that comes with making new things.

@knighthawk6633 2 года назад

WARNING - read before you purchase. Test your ILWT barrel to ensure that ammo feeds correctly. Mine did not because of a high feedramp. ILWR is 0.060” compared to the OEM 0.035””. The higher feedramp resulted in bullets nose diving into the base of the feedramp and not onto the feedramp resulting in stoppage. Because I let the gun sit in my safe for a year and did not identify and report earlier, ILWT won’t work the issue and I am required to make Dremel modifications to correct the geometry of the feedramps to allow seamless feeding and function. I highly recommend identifying the issue early and brining it to ILWE’s attention or else you too will have to break out the Dremel.

@BP-in3lt 3 года назад

I think I finally found out the reason for Sigg’s Unreliability issues: The people at sig. do not know the difference between 1 billion and 1 million. This was from the email that touted the millionth P365 but show the number “1,000,000,000th p365” displayed underneath picture for the article that reports on the millionth P365 born this year.

@dudley5658 Год назад

Great info because the mpx is what I carry swimming. 🦈

@PPSChadwick 3 года назад

I’m always pleased to hear Sig fixes all of their crap they come up with.

@bryankim2277 3 года назад

Do the gauntlet with the new MPX. With the slot, doesn't it change the chance of debris clogging the larger gas hole?

@TheColosiss 3 года назад

I'm glad to see Sig fixes an issue when it arises. That being said, Sig needs to learn to test their own stuff before it leaves the factory. It's disappointing to see nearly every modern Sig has issues.

@zedrickapollo4290 3 года назад

Sig sauer was one of the most reputable gun in the early 80-90’s. I love them. Most sought after guns.

@project86xero 3 года назад

Makes since. From a fluid dynamics standpoint water likes to drain better out of a non symmetrical hole. Perfect circular holes, especially smaller ones, not so much. If it was just the round gas port hole on its own it would drain as long as it could flow out somewhere else. However if the only way out for that water is another small round hole it's easy for it to get held in due to surface tension.

@falafelbomber 3 года назад

My buddy has an old MPX I know you said not to, but that only makes me want to do it more, I’ll have to test it

@desmodysseus1974 3 года назад

You can always count on MAC to update us with significant information! 💯

@Militaryarmschannel 3 года назад

Happy New Year!

@HUKIT. 3 года назад

So they sent a hand picked weapon as a replacement, sure that’s nothing to be skeptical about

@chevyon37s 3 года назад

But it obviously has an internal part difference, that is now standard equipment.

@jsmiley12 3 года назад

As a new gun owner, and one who has bought a few Sig products (P365 and P320 X-Compact), I no longer trust their products as my EDC...

@warcraft8226 3 года назад

It's always good to see someone enjoying themself

@TheTRUST8888 3 года назад

Thanks for the video. Maybe a video talking about all the changes in the MPX from the very first release to the latest release might be a good idea.

@bungalobill7941 3 года назад

Excellent info as always Mac gets more done in a week than most people in a year

@chriscurry761 3 года назад

I have a gen 1 never had an issue but the first one day to the range with 30 rounds in the mags. After a few mags through she was fine. Might still get the new upper some day.

@tereztiago9133 3 года назад

If it can break this is the channel that can get it done

@jheremyklein888 3 года назад

Thanks Tim. Nice 2020 flex with that mag dump.

@Militaryarmschannel 3 года назад

Haha, Happy New Year!

@thereturningshadow 3 года назад

I noticed the price of this gun went down considerably to around the same as a PTR MP5 clone and the magazines have reduced in price as well comparable to MP5 mags. I guess Sig wised up and realized they were charging too much for the MPX and proprietary mags that people were still buying MP5 clones instead at cheaper prices.

@gearbarrel6237 3 года назад

Where are you seeing them at a lower price today? Thanks

@jakehansen3418 3 года назад

Were are you seeing this lol?

@jakehansen3418 3 года назад

@@gearbarrel6237 hahah my thoughts too cheapest I've found was still over a grand lol.

@thereturningshadow 3 года назад

@@gearbarrel6237 Just google Sig MPX Price. They used to be around $2,200 when they first came out but now they are comparable to the MP5 clone prices.

@thereturningshadow 3 года назад

@@jakehansen3418 Just google Sig MPX Price. They used to be around $2,200 when they first came out but now they are comparable to the MP5 clone prices.

@El_Taco72 3 года назад

My 3 year old gen 2 eats everything I throw at it. I’ve been very happy with it.

@ChristianGrest 3 года назад

Sig called you? Might wanna play the lottery! But seriously, good on them to admit the issue and send a gun to test. I wonder if Sig will offer a repair service/update service for the older models?

@KlaustheViking 3 года назад

Sig is a nice brand... when they fix the issues months or even a year down the road.

@nelsonr1467 3 года назад

Yet people think they are somehow better than glocks

@NC_USA_Gunner 3 года назад

The peening on the inside of the receiver is a well known issue. I have the same in my MPX. Apparently, well known among PCC competition circles; I was made aware by a neighbor that has 2 MPXs for competition. I believe it has something to do with BCG materials and geometry. If you report it to Sig, they'll have you send it in and you'll end up with a new upper and new BCG components to fix. Only reason I haven't done mine yet is gun still shoots well and haven't been in the mood to be without the MPX for 2-3 weeks.

@Militaryarmschannel 3 года назад

After filming Jason did some digging and discovered this is, yet again, a known issue. Thanks for the post and Happy New Year.

@gates762x6 3 года назад

You should do a review on UARM III+ poly plates. They are cheap and lightweight. UARM has very limited internet presence you’d be the first big channel to review their armor

@spacedcowboy11 3 года назад

Love my MPX... though now I need to check my gas block, just because.

@glennlucas9407 3 года назад

If the old barrels will work in the new gun I'd try the water test like that and that would eliminate the receiver part of things.

@dirtyjoeq4261 3 года назад

So according to Sig, this is not the reason they lost the army smg contract. Does that mean that they fixed the hydrolock issue on their submitted gun, or was that not something that came up in the army's testing? Did they fix the issue for the trial but continue to sell flawed guns to the civilian market?

@Militaryarmschannel 3 года назад

Sig hasn't spoken about why their submission lost. All I know is that Sig assured me this wasn't the issue that cost them the contract.

@HaydenHKD 3 года назад

The tests these manufacturers participate in are within NATO small arms testing protocols. There is accelerated rain test, not submersion.

@watchdog117 3 года назад

Soooo just spend 2 grand first then hope you bought with your hard earned dollars the new updated version..

@tteot1wph 3 года назад

They’ve been selling out so fast. I would assume any new gun was recently manufactured. I plan on getting one soon

@coolguy91975 3 года назад

Very happy with my Gen2 8"...at least before the boating trip. Given mine is an 8" and thus an early Gen2 I'd bet the gas block has the hole. It does not bother me as it operates flawlessly.

@KM_1983 3 года назад

Boating trip...water... maybe not so flawless with a teaspoon of water.

@jayzhao1817 3 года назад

Interesting video, after watching it I took mine apart.. my gas block did have the longer vent, so it is gtg :) bought earlier this year, not sure when SIG made the change.

@Militaryarmschannel 3 года назад

Awesome! Happy New Year!

@heybuddy2623 3 года назад

Colt: "I'mma put some stuff out there that aint right yet" Sig: "Hold my beer"

@JK-ho1bv 3 года назад

MAC! Do you think we would/could ever see a torture test video on the IWI products? Jericho, Masada, Tavor, Galil etc?

@daisymontague9515 3 года назад

I stopped getting any SIG firearms after getting the first wave of the Gen 2 MPX. After 500 rounds, it jammed and kept getting FTE’s. Didn’t matter what ammo I used. Didn’t matter what Gen mag I used. Didn’t matter if the mag was brand spanking new or used. Failure after failure.

@neilshark6361 3 года назад

Happy New Year Tim and Jason. Same to all viewers too!

@silencerbear9347 3 года назад

you're the best man. Must have spent 1000 bucks on 9mm ammo for this video.

@piela650 3 года назад

Got those same gloves you've been wearing lately, except in more northeastern color. Good ol' Cabela's

@stephenfannin6482 3 года назад

Love how everyone can still get ammo whenever they want so long as theyre military, government, or in the public eye/influencer...

@carterwongg6975 3 года назад

Its still around just go find it and pay the price and quit bitching

@davidhater6035 3 года назад

Yes because having a stockpile is stupid. And having a sponsor that supplies ammo allowing you to stock pile is stupid. Maybe make gun videos instead of gaming videos.

@nelsonr1467 3 года назад

It's the middle men price gouging. Ammo manufactures are still selling ammo pre 2020 prices. Stop buying ammo and everything goes back to normal.

@carterwongg6975 3 года назад

@@nelsonr1467 Exactly this is America he acting he dont know what supply and demand is and how it works

@nelsonr1467 3 года назад

@@carterwongg6975 if only there was some way to bypass the middle man and buy directly from the ammo manufacturer's factory.

@refan6 3 года назад

Good info. Can’t wait for an updated Stribog video with the US bolt and new mags with black followers

@cgtlea9202 2 года назад

I just picked up a new MPX K that was built sep 2021 and the upper receiver has slight alterations than this generation. There are only 3 vents in the handguard above the barrel and the left side of the firearm no longer says MPX on the upper and there has been some alterations made to the two screws that hold the ejector in place

@mickbowling4412 3 года назад

I don’t like how the hand guard is longer than the barrel. Fine if you have a suppressor attached all the time I suppose. I guess if you can afford an mpx you can afford a suppressor.

@brighthought11 3 года назад

only purpose of having a handguard rail longer than the barrel is for a desired look and effect of having a suppressor or a linear comp like tromix or slr has mostly under the rail but sticking out a bit. looks great and functions!

@mikemore4353 3 года назад

HK should post this video on their channel and remind everyone that the MP5 is still selling. The gun is from the 1960s and works flawlessly.... there’s a reason it has stuck around for almost 60 years.

@sh0ryualfa393 3 года назад

This shit is why the MP5 is still the king of SMGs

@williamflowers9435 3 года назад

Exactly. Why would any military unit that has MP5s that have decades of proven service even consider the MPX?

@thesmallestminorityisthein4045 3 года назад

I bought a P320 (and fixed it with an Agency Arms trigger) because the army adopted it (was going to buy an M92 but decided to wait) Sig cant convince me to buy an MPX though, especially since the army gave them a big ol thumbs down.

@PBVader 3 года назад

Another one for the team.

@CM-fx1tp 3 года назад

What about B&T GHM9 meeting the Gauntlet?

@Tito_Viera 3 года назад

Congrats Tim!! Do you wanted an indicator of channel's success?? You have an indicator of success!! I don't think that Sig take that care if you're not an important voice on the gun community.

@MGB-learning 3 года назад

Outstanding video and presentation.

@smoak888 3 года назад

I have mpx k in FDE not black that was bought over a year ago that has the oblong cutout in the gas block....so seems they made that transition earlier than you suggest.

@dalestark3343 3 года назад

Nice to see that they fixed the issue. But like you said and Sig seems notorious for this, is not giving the gun(s) a new nomenclature to designate a change. I suspect they do this to avoid the public seeing more easily how many flaws have been dealt with in various guns. I like Sig, but sometimes what they do annoys me, to say the least! I would of hoped they would offer some type of exchange like they did for the P320, for those that wanted the updated part.