Hi Alan, thank-you for the professional review. 👍 Issues are noted and addressed: - We are adding mounting tabs to our controller. And will address the rubber pad issue. By the impressions left in the foam, it appears it was never shipped. It should also have not detached as we use strong 3M adhesive for those, our apologies. - We will inspect the threaded holes in production. Each system is tested before shipping but we do not check each mounting hole, well until this review. Processes have been adapted nonetheless. - The new Standard Bracket (post your DK2 review) has a deeper recess which allows us to standardize the bolts and use the 16mm bolts throughout, both the bracket to actuator and bracket to frame. - You are correct the new 160mm Extended Bracket allows for compatibility with rigs that have a greater channel span (form > function). We just started to ship these brackets this month and have already shipped them to many customers with all three chassis you mentioned in your review. They are also available in red and black anodized colors as well. - The EMI issue is a first one for us (and I am sure we all say that). However we will investigate further with a near field EMI probe and report back. Time to send you a DK2+ for review as well. 😉Many people ask which system to get and we fail at describing the difference. A complete DK2, DK2+ and DK6 review would best help our potential clients! If you could be so kind. Thank-you.
Hi, thanks for once again taking the time to discuss your findings! I'm really pleased to see the proactive attitude you have towards improving your customer experience - it really gives me confidence in recommending your products 👍 I would love to test the DK2+, and who knows I may need to look for an application for a DK-X as well 😉
Ol' mate from Sigma are you saying there are numpties out there who cannot decide which DK to buy? They are all great, tell 'em just pick one ! Ya gotta love the Oz-trians eh !? 👍😁
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Just a follow up. We inspected all the mounting holes in all our DK6 actuator bodies and were not able to find similar results with needing to rework any of the M8 screws. None of our other customers reported this either. Hard to verify this and not saying you were the only one that experienced this but we have tested all bodies and were not able to find similar issues with the threads. This is also one of the reasons we ask all our integrators to ALWAYS use us for feedback and support as it allows us to proactively address issues, and there are always issues. ;-) The threads are cut on our Fadal CNC machines as one of the final processes and typically if there is an error in programming or production its repeatable through the hundreds of units we mill each month. Nonetheless! We will still TEST all the mounting holes as part of our new procedure. Many thanks for pointing this out. Really appreciate it.
A bit late to the party but WOW, what a system! Great video review Alan. I have a question to Sigma if you happen to read this. Do you guys offer a traction loss system as an option to support the DK6 platform? I've seen a few systems that have done this. If not, are there any plans to do so? If yes, what would the add-on cost be?
I watch many sim reviewers but your videos are like a breath of fresh air. They're genuine and you actually take the time to investigate, solve and give final thoughts on problems. I find some reviewers don't take the time to give a product a fair go which can really hurt a small start up sim company. Keep up the great work.
Hi Brendon thank you for your very kind words. I am very proud to have this platform where I can share my experience with manufacturer and consumer alike. I feel like I have a particular eye for detail combined with experience in the field such that I can pass on feedback that helps as many people along the chain as possible. Of course my skills are less developed in certain other aspects, and that's where my friends at the other channels are able to provide their input and experience. Very happy to have this opportunity to chat with you too!
You really seem to enjoy excessive motion. As a 38 year Flight Simulation engineer I can’t help but comment that your settings are far from realistic. Not only does the movement mask certain helpful cues, but due to the required travel you are introducing unnecessary latency. And perhaps you could watch some actual race footage and take note of their head movement. Our eyes struggle when the movement is so jarring. Hope you’re not offended.
Hi, no offense taken at all when the message is sent from a place of love. For various reasons my enjoyment in the hobby has drifted from seeking competitive advantage to having fun with the equipment - so the bigger the bumps, the steeper the pitch the better. And when this system can actually make me feel uneasy going over crests, or while racing downhill - I'm happy! I'm aware that the traditional wisdom is to keep the motion cues minimal due to latency, distraction etc - but I enjoy having everything turned up at least for now!
@@DrAlanQuan The fact that you answered my post certainly proves your sincerity regarding your wanting to provide information to our community. Thank you for that. And in reference to your response , I did assume your motion was set to your preference regardless. 😀 I spent much of my career arguing with regulators from around the world regarding motion and visual cues that I, please forgive me, just can’t help myself. 😂
Absolutely be my guest! Hearing other people's viewpoints is how we learn and I'm grateful for the opportunity - so if you're thinking it, please type it!
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@@DrAlanQuan And here is a rare and mature discussion. 🥰
Hi Matthias, I rewatched the video and I think I understand what you're saying. Let me preface this by saying the motion felt very natural when I was driving. In some corners the motion system is leaning inwards and on others it's leaning outwards - the key difference I believe is the camber of the corner, and Bathurst has a lot of variation in camber around the circuit. On heavily banked corners the motion system leans inwards, and on flat corners it leans outwards and I think this is an accurate reflection of what you would feel in real life. With heavily banked corners the reaction force from the road is relatively normal to the road surface which is not felt as lateral g force from the driver perspective. On flatter corners, the reaction force from the road is comparatively more parallel with the road surface, which is felt as lateral Gs and hence the motion system rolls outwards. I hope my interpretation is correct and communicated clearly - maybe the Sigma Integrale guys can chip in. I will say though - that is a really sharp observation and I'm impressed that you picked up on it!
The plates that I tested I believe are compatible with 30, 40 and 45 series aluminium profile which covers most commercially available aluminium profile cockpits. Sigma Integrale have also been really helpful with advice if you encounter any issues, or want to install on a tube frame chassis from Trak Racer or similar. They are a premium product with premium support - so their product is not cheap but they will get you up and running when you're ready for it, I am confident in that :) get in touch with them and find out!
Hi Darren thanks once again! Yes the price is high - when I first started simracing 19 years ago I never thought I'd see prices for anything in this range much less be able to use them, and I do hope they become more attainable - but the good news is that the products do exist and they work well
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Our company goal for DK was always to make the best turn key system at the most attainable price. That was the DK2, which was initially launched in April 2020. Since then the DK2+ and DK6 were direct responses to what the market demanded of us (we listen and take in all feedback). I still believe the DK2 is one of our best products. The 3-actuator system can be had for $4400 and is unmatched in mechanical, electrical and software integration as a turn key product (in my bias but hopefully humble opinion). But the main problem in this industry segment is volume. Volume ultimately dictates price over time, and without volume its hard to attain efficiency of scale without compromising on the build quality, materials, motors and support. Its actually a fun and challenging problem to solve. But we agree about the high price and aim to continually improve on the product price. Peter@sigma
I agree completely with your assessment. Lots of fun, lots of money New car money. Like, really bad and cheap new car money but it's still in that zone
Hey Alan you do great reviews mate, watched your Dk2 vid & very well done ! Fellow aussie and want to know. Was the mains power plug supplied our aussie one ? Or did you have to buy or use an adaptor ? I hare using adaptors with high end gear like this. I am currently about to buy one of these bad boys, they are phenomenal! Cheers mate 👍
@@DrAlanQuan yeah looks like a formula car, I don't have iracing but just wanting to replicate your setup to see how it feels. I will try the F3 in AMS2. I already try out the V8 and Radical SR8 at Bathurst in my Quest3 vr and it is insane, sooo good man this motion is incredible and glad I went for the Dk6 too as I would have loved Dk+ but then wanted dk6 anyway !!! LoL 😀
Yes especially with a heavier rig line the 160mm one I was using, including the driver that's about 180kg moving about and rapidly at that. It was filmed on tile floors on a concrete foundation which is perfectly suited for this use - I didn't have time to test it on any other surfaces though
Hi thank you for taking the time to comment! The DK6 was tested on the same 99kg RKS-03 cockpit that the DK2 was (except the Simagic Alpha Ultimate was switched out for a VNM Direct Drive) The DK2 was also tested on my 67kg 80mm rig but I wasn't able to put the DK6 on the lighter one mainly because of space in the new studio. I hope this clears things up, but any more questions please fire away!
I was worried when I first got the motion sickness - I didn't get it at all with the DK2. Thankfully it was very quick and easy to tune out. Very awesome kit, easy to install and tune 👍
I would love to share the news of such a system! I'm very lucky to have first hand experience with these premium brands but I'm also very aware that the pricing of some of these products can be prohibitive for a lot of people. I do love good value and I hope to be able to cover topics that are relevant to more people. I certainly wouldn't have thought $16k was a reasonable spend on a motion system a few years ago, but the product and service are good so it does make me wonder... Maybe
@@DrAlanQuan I just discovered Sim racing with an actual simulator wheel when my wife got me a G923 for Christmas, I feel in love with the North Loop and, I wanted to feel the curves… I was shocked that no simulator was under $2,000
@@DrAlanQuan I am in IT, but I used to drive tractor trailers and that 70 foot truck used an air compressor for braking and suspension- I think this could be a solution to an affordable simulator, using compressed air instead of industrial hydraulic systems shrunk down to fit a simulator application. I am actually working on the prototype now
Expensive everywhere - this is not a budget product and will not suit a big chunk of the market. The cost is a big factor in why I haven't bought one for myself - even though I like the product a lot.
It's just right for me 😂 but yes more movement than a lot of people suggest - but if I'm spending this much money on something I will turn the power up to get my value for money
Hey Alan just got my dk6's YaY ! 😁 Installing now - May I ask what were your distances centre to centre between actuators, front to back length and width !? I want to keep length short as possible but in front of my steering column mount is 42.5 inches which seems bit long, or is ok ? Else behind closer to back is 29.5 inch seems optimal but Peter Sigma says is better in front. My width is 26.75 inches. Your setup looked similar my Trakracer TR160 so is why I ask you, thanks mate Cheers 👍🤠
Hi Mark, congratulations! I can't give you any dimensions because everything has been returned to RaceKraft - the DK6, the cockpit, the monitors and the PC as well! My suggestion is follow Sigma's advice. The tighter you mount everything the less stability you have, and since there's a lot of mass at and in front of the uprights (the uprights themselves, your wheelbase, pedals and their supporting hardware) if you mount behind those, the rig may become front heavy and possibly tip if it's encouraged by a particularly forceful motion signal. Probably not, but better to be safe. Also if you mount behind the upright, that's exactly your point of ingress/egress from the cockpit so it would get in the way. The DK6 has so much travel, even what you might describe as too broad/non ideal of a mounting geometry will result in a very good motion experience anyway. Let me know how you go!
Yep just pull it out of the box and straight into the Aussie wall socket. The control unit also had its voltage set to 220v straight out of the box too!
Thanks Alan, I asked Peter then realise it sleepy time over there, also mate you are a dentist, be careful that thing don't rattle all your teeth out! Toothless dentists find business fails ! 😆🤣
I agree, hitting big bumps impacts steering angle which affects control and therefore speed - that said, even though I have often been very focused on competitive advantage, I'm enjoying the immersion that intense motion systems can provide - it's fun!
I won't be able to test that in the studio, but I was at RaceKraft on Sunday where a 3 leg version was running and they said there was no problem with it at all
HI Alan i am using an sfx 100 motion system and discovered that the feeling is much!! better when you build your seat much lower IN the rig Your ass height needs to be in the center of the actuators That will minimize the unrealistic side an front/back movement of your seat In my humble opinion your sitting position is way above the centre point and THAT makes the movements way to much Anyway good vid thx and maybe you think about it👍
Hi! Thanks for sharing your experience with this. I had quite limited time with the system but can definitely relate to the benefits of being closer to the rotation centre. I really enjoyed the system as is and would love the opportunity to really build a system that extracts the most out of the hardware. One day!
All these motion rigs add ons are way overpriced! 10% of sim racer ever buy motion. And the number one reason is pricing! Companies are stupid they would rather sell a couple motion rigs and then make a new one that more expensive! When if they made them way cheaper they could sell thousands if not millions of units worldwide!
Thanks for the review but WAY to much cash. We need a Bambu Lab type interruption in this specific area of sim racing. The provides ov these motion systems just are ridiculously priced.
It is quite silly money, I agree completely. There's systems out of China selling for ~1/4 the cost but I'm not confident in spending that money and not knowing what I'm getting in terms of product quality, reliability or support. I'd love to see something tick all those boxes - that would be a real win for us racers
