SDAs are like that kid who runs around the playground randomly hitting other kids, then acts all shocked and offended when one of them dares to hit him back! It's perfectly all right for Sadventists to trash talk Christians, but if you make even the mildest criticism of the Sadventists, you're suddenly the second coming of Nero...
@@FishermensCorner I noticed your ignorant ravings all over this comment section and wondered how long it would take you to start reacting to my comments. You take the cake at blindly assuming things. I am a restorationist, not a Protestant or a Roman Catholic. Unlike the "restorationist" cults like the Sadventists, Mormons, JWs and so-called "Christian Scientists" all of which stole ideas from my church and twisted them to follow some false "prophet for profit" like Ellen G White, Joseph Smith, Charles Taze Russell, or Mary Baker Eddy, my church is Christian restorationist, whose founders merely pointed to the Bible itself and quietly stepped into the background rather than writing deranged and cultic works-based additions to the Bible to glorify and enrich themselves. In much the same way that legal immigrants to a country often detest illegal immigrants from the same country, as a true restorationist, I have an especial disdain for label-stealing fakers and plagiarists like Sadventists.
Myles this organization of people are all on one accord. It is really disturbing. I attempted to enlighten my children after countless failed attempts to reach mom with truth about e.g.w and was meet by a very hostile spirited ex wife/kids mom yelling WHY YOU BASHING HER Referring to e.g.w Yet they can go to school and learn all about her distorted view of the gosple. For years all I heard was sda teachers bash "Sunday keepers"
@John-z5h1r: John, I have been battling this myself now for 17 years, married my wife not knowing ANYTHING about SDA's and after our 1st of now 5 children I started doing MAJOR research to find out that they are the most deceptive organization out there, they are amazing at wording things to make them sound so true and so right, when in fact they are not. I now have around 20,000 hours of in-depth research. It's sad because my wife and your ex-wife and our children are going to hell when they die, and that my friend is why I refuse to give up. ETERNITY IS A LONG TIME TO BE WRONG.
Sorry for you and fully understand. It's easier hitting my head against a wall. My mom screamed at me, "What difference does it make, all roads lead to God". Well nooooo! they do not.
I spent a lot of time with ol' "Jiffy Jeff" back when I was trying to give myself a reasons to believe adventist doctrine. Hours and hours and hours of talking but he failed to convince me that his conclusions are correct. I didn't leave the adventist church with the mindset that I wanted proof it was wrong. I left after searching for proof that it was right and never got it. Thank you for dealing with this guy directly.
@@FishermensCorner It is proven wrong. It's not a case of trying. Your decision to follow them is as backwards as their beliefs. It's true birds of a feather flock together. 😂
@williamcraneslag6921 wolves mislead people if the shoe fit wear it. If not don't defend what you dint understand pray for discernment and the holy spirit to help you see through the deception. The law is fulfilled in christ and I keep jesus commandments with the help of the holy spirit. I pray for all you sda members and may God have mercy on the teachers who intentionally deceive others.
If Jeff really understood what Myles was saying then he would not have made a rebuttal video. Even better yet if Jeff understood the GospeI, but then again he is an Adventist pastor.
The SDA cultists have to make rebuttal videos because they need their followers to be reinforced into the Ellen/Adventists doctrines in order to keep them as followers.
@@deborahthreefourfive6824 Yes! That's the real reason - to keep the gullible sheep in the pen. No need for actual scholarly research & logical reasoning acuity, because none of those things were needed to get them inside the pen in the first place! 😔
Well done Myles! Jeff is making a strawman argument because he knows he has no legs to stand with. Myles, you are speaking above his head, he will never get it in his stony head.
I think the hardest and saddest thing is that myles your willing to listen to the argument and debate them but when you go to their channel and see they’re comments they typically bad mouth, say that you lack the intelligence to debate, or other forms of disrespectful criticism. You hard see anyone that seems they’ve taken what you said and really debated with it. Its sad because they truly believe what the SDA church is spitting out and are so paranoid that its them verses the world.
Speaking of SDAs not being able to read & comprehend plain Bible text, I read a white paper by Roy Gane defending the SDA practice of Sabbath keeping &, towards the end, he literally said one reason Sabbath should be kept is because it's earth's birthday. 🌎🎂 👀 Except WHOOPS the text clearly states earth was "born" on the FIRST DAY & not the seventh & besides wasn't God resting on the seventh day? Plus why would earth need to have its WRONG supposed "birth day" celebrated every single week rather than annually (like Christmas)? Gane is an intelligent man, but wow. That is a glaring mistake for a scholarly paper... &, worse, no one noticed it?!
This is a case of an advanced University student trying to explain an advance subject matter to a kindergarten kid. Jeff is not intelligent or knowledgeable enough to understand what Myles is saying. The problem with Adventust is that they were taught to see the Sabbath in one dimension. This one dimension mind set has them sounding very elementary to the point of being cringeworthy and downright embarrassing. The misunderstanding of the Gospel is the backbone to their misinterpretation. Most people who listen to Jeff will tune out after the first few minutes even if they didn't listen to Myles. Only his fellow misguided Adventist will feel a sense of relief and reassurance.
Yes. Myles got to the place he is due to intellectual inquiry (seeking answers to complex questions). Jeff is stuck in the mud of "I already know I'm right without even looking"... which is how he got stuck in the mud in the first place.
You're so right about Adventism teaching the Sabbath in one dimension, and it's something I've increasingly come to see since leaving. It's not a sin to worship God on any day of the week, including Sunday, but what makes the Sabbath unique is that it was specifically set aside not only for worship, but also for rest. Adventists are quick to point out that going to church on Saturday but not spending the rest of the day in a state of worship and rest isn't keeping the Sabbath, but they never seem to apply that same logic to Christians that worship on Sunday except when offering a response to the Bible verses that mention the New Testament church meeting on Sunday.
You are not attacking. If it hadn't been fir finding you i wouldn't be out of sda wr are in a sunday church and very happy thank you don't stop 12.:15 sept 14
This is something Myles points out. Ask them simply what must I do to be saved under the Adventist model of salvation. Let's say you have 5 minutes to tell a dying person the gospel. Let's see what they come up with. Their answers would give you everything you need to generate a discussion re the true saving gospel of Jesus Christ.
I mostly fast-forwarded through his commentary, but it seems to me that beyond just misrepresenting your position, he also parroted the usual SDA talking points. While I disagree with your belief that Sunday is the "new creation Sabbath" (as you probably know), it's clear that you've thought it through, and disagreement isn't an excuse for misrepresenting it (intentionally or otherwise).
I believe the name of a church will not reserve for you a place in heaven. Scripture says that your name must be written in the Book of Life. The book of life is not a particular church. All doctrine is secondary to this. It's why heaven will be made up of people from many different churches and people who even never set foot in a church in their whole lives.
Just because we don’t agree with each other doesn’t mean we’re attacking one another. Myles and myself don’t agree on everything and that’s ok. Gods church is a diverse people.
Adventists really don't understand the new covenant. Deuteronomy 5:3 was deliberately changed in the clear word bible because it states that the old covenant was not given to their ancestors. If they didn't change that verse, they couldn't teach that it existed since Adam and Eve, so the verse now says that it was also given to their ancestors. Adam and Eve were not working Sunday to Friday. I don't think they worked until they had to provide their own food after being told to leave the garden and their death began. If you show them Paul speaking on the first day of the week in the book of Acts (which the clear word calls Saturday night), they still want to see a commandment for it. Commemorating the empty tomb was not a commandment, it was something they started doing in remembrance of Christ. They use the verse about Paul going to the synagogue....yet do not understand he was going there to bring the gospel, telling them not to judge based on a holy day. The very thing adventists are taught to do... judge Sunday as the mark of the beast. I pray for my family members, to hear what Christ said, and beware of false prophets, and teachers. Do you plan on doing any episodes on the clear word Myles?
Yeah Jeff's vid showed up in my feed a while back, but it was obviously an Amateur Hour hit job so I didn't watch it 🤦🏻♀️ Watching your response video is entertaining & educational though 😝
Adventists straight up ignore what former sda have to say. Why? Because we pretty much all say the same reasons for leaving and yet they don’t consider the possibility of being wrong about anything. There are probably millions of us by now. And they still want to be spiritual ostriches. I knew that church was wrong since I was very very young.
I think it sometimes has to do with the attitude in which the information is delivered. When I was SDA and I noticed something was off about a teaching compared to the Bible, I would go to the internet and start searching. There were many condescending and downright mean comments about Adventists that I would ignore immediately. It took somebody compassionately leading me through the errors for me to see the truth I was searching for (wish that study still existed online, but I don't think it does). It's hard to learn from someone who is talking down to you.
I understand and agree with you, Myles, all the way - because I've made it my business to not only read but understand the Bible! Oh, how Adventists POLLUTE the Word of God!....WITHOUT LIES, ADVENTISM DIES!!... I totally agree: Seventh Day ADVENTISM is not Christianity! I always think that ADVENTISM should be a religion all its own for ADVENTISM IS NOT BIBLICAL CHRISTIANITY! Anyone who endeavours to read and understand the Bible in its PURE form could never follow ADVENTISM. ADVENTISM'S strongest argument for the Sabbath is in the Old Testament: that God Rested on the seventh day. Indeed, Genesis 2:2-3 says that God rested on the seventh day and sanctified it. WHAT ELSE does Genesis 2:2-3 says? Does it say that God then COMMANDED His creation, Adam and Eve to RESTon the seventh day? NO!! FORTY-EIGHT (48) Chapters later, Genesis ended and there was no mention of the seventh day. The seventh day came up again ONLY when God gave Abraham's descendants REST from their labours because they had been slaves in Egypt for 430 years. He GAVE the seventh day Rest, which He then called the Sabbath to the House of Jacob/Israel. (Ex. 16:23) Israel was the ONLY NATION to whom God GAVE HIS SABBATH - NOT TO ANY NON-ISRAELITE INDIVIDUAL OR ANY NON-ISRAELITE NATION! It's plainly written in the Bible and the FACT that CHRIST DID NOT COMMAND CHRISTIANS TO REST ON THE SEVENTH DAY is the reason why I DON'T OBSERVE THE SABBATH BECAUSE I'M NOT AN ISRAELITE! ELLEN G. WHITE GAVE THE SDA CHURCH THE SABBATH COMMAND - NOT GOD! Judging from her writings, it seemed she wanted to CONTROL the Body of Christ by bring all to Adventism hence all her poison against Christians who didn't believe her. That, coupled with her changing Hebrews 1:2! Furthermore, Genesis 2:2-3 (in the KJV that I own which has numerous Cross-references for better understanding) is connected or cross-referenced with Nehemiah 9:14. Nehemiah was an ISRAELITE and was speaking to ISRAELITES AFTER THEY HAD SEPARATED THEMSELVES FROM "ALL STRANGERS!" GENTILES - non-Israelites - were considered "strangers" in the Old Testament. (Neh. 9:2) Nehemiah said: "And madest known unto *them thy Holy Sabbath...(Neh. 9:14) *them, meaning Israelites. Genesis 2:2-3 is also connected/cross-referenced to Isaiah 58:13. Isaiah, an ISRAELITE was prophesying to ISRAELITES, the Word of God: "If thou turn away thy foot from the Sabbath..." From the Old Testament to the New, the Sabbath is only spoken in relation to ISRAEL. Punishment for BREAKING the sabbath was directed at them - not towards Gentiles-non Israelites. I read my Bible, check cross-references, which is why I KNOW that SDA is so wrong about Christians being given the Jewish Sabbath. Romans 14:5 wouldn't have been taught by Paul if that were so. As a Christian, I follow commands given by Jesus Christ and NOWHERE IN HIS GOSPEL IS A COMMAND TO KEEP THE SABBATH. If the seventh day rest had been relevant to Christianity, JESUS CHRIST would have made it known. Adventists CANNOT SHOW the Sabbath command in the Gospel, the NEW TESTAMENT - so they keep going back to the OLD TESTAMENT and twisting what Christ says in the NT to make their claim. They are trying to put words in Christ's mouth as if HE didn't know what He was about. CHRIST says: "Love God and Love your neighbour. ELLEN G. WHITE says: Keep and honour the Sabbath....I FOLLOW CHRIST NOT EGW! But Adventists can go ahead and happily help the Jews keep their Sabbath because of Romans 14:5 - so WHY do they want everyone to keep it? It's because EGW gave them a mission - NOT Christ!
Amen. It took me 32 years as an Adventist until Myles and Former Adventist preached the true gospel of Jesus Christ; the justification through His finished work on the Cross, and the redemptive transformational experience of sanctification from the ongoing work of the Holy Spirit. Just like that the investigative judgement doctrine crumbled like dust and I became a born-again Christian.
“Jesus would have made it known.” Why would he? Everybody was keeping the sabbath but most didn’t keep it right so He had to show them how to keep it holy. In Genesis God sanctifies and blesses a specific space of time. This means that the moment you enter this space of time you are in holy time, a time set apart by God for a special purpose. He did this to bless man not only the Jews. To the Galations Paul writes that the Law-refering to the ‘ten words’ was added because of sin. Many people fall over the word added because they do not understand well its meaning. In the original language it means ‘emphasized’ or ‘spoken’. The ‘ten words’ were not a new Divine invention to benefit the Jews only, they had always existed and where the condition of the everlasting covenant. They had to be emphasized because Israël did not see their sins. They had to be emphasized to make them aware of their need of a Savior in whom the condition can be fulfilled by faith that is by grace. The ‘ten words’ are still the condition for the new covenant. When asked how to inherit eternal life Jesus answers ‘keep the commandments’. Of course nobody can fulfill this condition on his own. But by the faith that is given us through the blood of Christ the ten words can be taken as the word of God that always does what it says in those who believe it. So the condition of the covenant is fulfilled. So by faith we are not only saved from the penalty of sin and declared righteous we are also saved from the power of sin and become heirs of the world to come. Faith is not once, faith is all the time, every moment. “For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.” (Rom 1:17, KJV) God bless you.
Anyone notice how he says Myles last name 3 times in his intro? He's sending a message loud and clear. Myles just might be stirring up the Adventist vipers.
BTW this guy Jeff is annoying like all the strong SDA apologists are. Something I was never taught within Adventism is how to "rightly divide the Scriptures".
It's interesting to learn about the contempt SDAs have toward those with degrees and the reasons behind it that stem from the history of Adventism. The more I hear about it, the more Adventism resembles its fellow 19th Century American cults, the Mormons, the JWs and the self-styled "Christian Scientists" (who were neither Christian nor scientific). William Miller's utter lack of qualifications to pretend to be an authority on Biblical prophecy is strikingly similar to the similar deficiencies of Joseph Smith, though Miller at least didn't write his own cheap and clumsy imitation of the Bible like Smith did...
@@FishermensCorner Reading comprehension is clearly not your strong suit. My observation has nothing to do with unbiblical "apostolic succession" and merely points out that unqualified clowns like Miller and his daughter, Joseph Smith, Charles Taze Russell and Mary Baker Eddy all pretended they had some kind of special prophecy when they were all obvious fakers who perpetrated obvious lies that out-Catholiced the Catholics when it came to heresy. Ellen DeGeneres White gave lip service to opposing Catholicism only to imitate it more closely than the most "diet Catholic" Protestant denomination by instituting the same kind of works-based heresy, just somewhat more Pharisee-flavored...
@FishermensCorner no? I'm sorry, I must be confused. I'm certain Myles had specifically said he used his middle name for this channel in multiple videos and his reasons why.
5:50 (Pastor Kevin Morgan here) I was flabbergasted by your saying that you and Steve Daily had rejected the "Advent message." In response, I asked two questions: Is it safe to reject truth? You said that it is not. I asked if someone cannot see truth that is truth, what have they done? You said that they have rejected truth. The Advent message--that Jesus is coming again soon--cannot safely be rejected. I left a comment suggesting that perhaps you would like to explain what you meant by saying that you have rejected the Advent message. That might make a good video.
Except that isn’t what I agreed to. There are lots of true things people can reject and not be damned. Some people have a certain interpretation of head coverings. Scripture speaks about the subject. If someone is wrong on that, and rejects one way or another, they aren’t lost. Not every single doctrine is salvific. Which is what’s so ironic because that’s precisely the issue we have with your guys’ system. You make everything salvational such that you can ask stuff like “can you reject truth and still be saved?” You can’t reject salvific doctrines and still be saved. But not all doctrines are. And believing in the SOON second coming doesn’t make you saved, Kevin. And not believing it doesn’t mean you reject the belief outright. Steve and I don’t reject the second coming. You clearly misunderstood and your Adventists lenses are clouding your judgment. I never stated that we reject the second coming. Yes, someone can believe the second coming is a long ways off and still be saved. This is ridiculous to say. You sound like Charles Fitch 🤣😂 This is one of the worst aspects of Adventism-lack of understanding around Christian fundamentals versus tertiary doctrines and why the fundamentals are fundamental. You outright admitted that the time of our salvation is up because you uphold the Camden Vision as authentic. But you said the “time of salvation being up” was only relegated to those that have left the movement-not the whole world. Which means Steve and I can’t be saved but you asked Adventists to pray for us. Despite Ellen also saying to not do such since Jesus no longer does-in the same Camden vision. That isnt the same as saying if you reject truth you’ll be lost. It also includes the claim that our probation has closed and we can no longer be saved. It’s impossible now.
@@answeringadventism "Steve and I don’t reject the second coming." Then you shouldn't have said that you reject the Advent message. Perhaps you would like to ask the question a different way. I posted your actual answers, BTW, to my questions.
@@answeringadventism "You outright admitted that the time of our salvation is up because you uphold the Camden Vision as authentic." I accept the true Camden Vision--not the unauthenticated one you cited. We talked about that, and I gave the evidence for the authenticated Camden Vision on the ADL video. If you would like the link, I'll look it up.
The Sabbath if you want to say it's Redemption we know that Jesus rose on the Sabbath right before it ended. The Sadducees control the temple at the time of Jesus and they would also be the ones performing first fruits. The first fruits were always gathered as soon as Sabbath ended which means they had to be already out of the ground. I don't know what kind of cult theology you're using to prop up your understanding. My guess is that you still have this SDA theology embedded into your brain so you're thinking these are good arguments. This is why I wanted to debate you not to beat up on you in a debate but to understand where you're coming from and also to show you that a lot of these arguments are not good arguments
And it seems like you don't think Ellen White's a false prophet. And if you do I don't even know why you care about attacking the Sabbath unless you're just trying to attack other Christians who actually do observe sabbath. Because we know the Seventh Day Adventist Church does not observe the sabbath nor do they care about it unless you think Ellen White was a true prophet. Because if you think Ellen wants a false prophet then you would know that they don't keep Sabbath nor do they care about it because you're breaking Sabbath if you're promoting a false prophet on the Sabbath, because you're breaking about four Commandments at least including the Sabbath by not keeping it holy because you're breaking Commandments on the Sabbath I think if you really care about exposing The Seventh-Day Adventist Church you shouldn't attack them on things that other churches believe in. All it does is help the SDA Church develop fellowship and camaraderie with other churches joining with them to help defend a similar belief. And at the end of the day even if you were to win a debate about sabbath, Soul sleep, annihilationism, etcetera if the SDA Church sees its own novel unique beliefs are not shown to be wrong, since they are the only ones that hold to their view of Daniel 8 and their view of Ellen White being a prophet and their view of investigative judgment, if these particular things are not proven wrong then they're going to still think they're the true church since they're the only church that holds those unique beliefs that only their church holds. That's why I think you would spend your energy better instead of attacking other churches attack The Seventh-Day Adventist Church
@@tariqtari3843 show me one verse he rose on Sunday. My argument that he rose on Sabbath is because there are no verses that he rose on Sunday. So being that there are no verses that he rose on Sunday it stands to reason since the Sadducees were running the temple and conducting the first fruits, also we see Jesus walking around while it's still dark and he's already Resurrected, is because God had him raised at the same time that the first fruits are normally gathered. And since the first fruits have to be out of the ground when they are gathered it stands to reason that Jesus would also be already out of the ground. Also in Matthew 12:40 Jesus says he will be in the gray for 3 days and three nights and you cannot get 3 days and three nights out of a Friday crucifixion so unless we say Jesus lied it seems like only a Wednesday crucifixion makes sense
@@tariqtari3843 and if you read the scriptures there seems to be two Sabbath that week because there's the High Sabbath and then there's the weekly Sabbath. And there are texts from the first and second century that call the Sabbath in the middle of the week the Paschal Sabbath
@@chrislucastheprotestantview _"show me one verse he rose on Sunday. "_ What about Mark 16:9 "Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils." Or is the Alexandrian cult again at play here telling us that the Bible is wrong and their interpretation the way to go?
12:54 Poca diferencia (little difference) between saying "Adventists aren't Christian" and people who believe the Adventist teachings are not Christian. So, there may be a finer point on this, but he is not misrepresenting what you are saying.
Kevin, I genuinely have concern for some Adventist’s listening abilities. I very plainly said I make a distinction between Adventists and Adventism because there are ADVENTISTS that don’t believe the heretical, damnable doctrines taught by the Adventist organization. It’s only a “little difference” because you did what Jeff engaged in-misrepresented what I claimed. I didn’t make a comparison between Adventism and Adventists that believe Adventism. I made a distinction between Adventism (the system) and the fact that there are people professing to be Adventist that actually aren’t in line with the system itself. And that’s why I don’t say Adventists aren’t Christian. Because I don’t know all Adventists universally. But if they affirm official teaching, they are lost. Which I showed from the article on our website.
@@answeringadventism Myles, your out is that you are saying that Adventists who don't believe in Adventism can be Christians. That doesn't differ from what Jeff was saying you said. He did not say that you assert that people who don't actually believe in Adventist teachings but go to an Adventist church cannot be Christians. You've made a special carve-out.
I haven't had a chance to watch this whole thing yet, but I'm half expecting him to say that because Myles has tattoos that he is clearly not led by the Holy Spirit.
Nothing in what I'm about to say is meant to imply any disapproval against those who come to Christ with tattoos, cuttings, or piercings. We come to Jesus just as we are - with all our imperfections in spirit and body. There are many people in church's who have tattoos and scars from their previous life before Christ. Some of these tattoos are even pagan or demonic. Some of the cuttings are from suicide attempts. No one looks down on these brothers or sisters or judges them. We are all flawed sinners. That is why we need Jesus. Some of us bear our markings outwardly. Some of us bear them more inwardly. With this said. I conclude with this: Some who oppose tattoos will point to Leviticus 19:28 and say "case closed, it is a sin to get a tattoo." The problem with this line of reasoning is that there are many commands in the Old Testament Law, and in the Book of Leviticus especially, that Christians do not obey. For example, the verse immediately prior states, "Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard" (Leviticus 19:27). If we are going to use Leviticus 19:28 to outlaw tattoos, we should also outlaw everything else that the Old Testament Law forbids. Also, the mention of cutting your body for the dead perhaps identifies a pagan ritual as the true problem, not necessarily the tattoo itself. The key point is this: Jesus' death fulfilled and completed the Law, ending its requirements on us (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23-25; Ephesians 2:15). Therefore, the law against tattoos is not binding on followers of Jesus Christ. Greg many of us here are concerned of your future tattoo... the 666 on your forehead.
@@vegacool1 not based on the measuring stick of evening to evening being the close of a day. Which is how it anciently would have been understood. The close of his first day would have been the 7th day. He was prepared and fashioned on Day 6 (preparation day) to then entered into holy communion with His maker as a community (he and his wife).
2:35:10 this is my favorite part. the 1st day has absolutely no Sabbath keeping requirements in the bible. Your transference to move Sabbath requirements to the first day is completely unbiblical. In every case they went to go do something, regardless of gathering which can occur any day, the Sabbath experience is exclusive to one day and one day alone since the beginning.
Thats a nice cope but he didn’t even begin to engage. He schooled his own vain imaginings that he claimed are mine. As was very clearly shown. But keep coping!
