Simon Jordan Argues VAR Should've Had the 'Balls' to Break Protocol & Award Liverpool Their Goal! 🔥

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The PGMOL have admitted a 'significant human error' which led to Luis Diaz's goal against Tottenham incorrectly being called offside. talkSPORT's Jim White, Simon Jordan and Stuart Pearce have their say!
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@DodgeTheseBullets 11 месяцев назад

Can we just be clear the PGMOL has come out with a statement not an apology

@DodgeTheseBullets 11 месяцев назад

It's wrong talksport are calling it an apology there is no accountability in the statement

@mumlovessuzy 11 месяцев назад

Rest of games after it kicks off nothing u can do same for one same for another many more wrong to right for me the handballs the offsides flawed from start remember 1st game Huddersfield v man u absolutely wrong f var needs the whole thing made better

@DodgeTheseBullets 11 месяцев назад

@@C84__84 apology makes no difference at all so I totally agree with you there. I just feel calling it an apology humanises this situation too much. It's not an apology and no accountability has been established by the PGMOL in this statement which makes it even more cold of a decision imo

@KeepItLevel 11 месяцев назад

Lad who wants an apology, apologies are happening every week with no consequences

@JJJ-bs8sm 11 месяцев назад

Cry babies want an apology. Move on and get ready for your next game before you lose that one as well. Some kind of 'mentality monsters" Liverpool are.

@theamaranthineman574 11 месяцев назад

Jim's parents obviously never thaught him that owning up to your mistakes and making it right is the right thing to do.

@davidross8709 11 месяцев назад

You made a mistake, you need to correct the way you spelled thaught 👊

@COOLOCKER 11 месяцев назад

Im sure he will own up to it, lol. @@davidross8709

@redshift8302 11 месяцев назад

@@davidross8709 That's auto correct's fault.

@jayt6200 11 месяцев назад

@@redshift8302nice metaphor

@colinclarke4189 11 месяцев назад

The problem arose when the VAR ref wrongly thought that the on field ref had given the goal. It should be protocol for the VAR to check the on field decision then said "Check complete, No Offside, Goal stands". State the decision made in the way it is in Rugby where you will even hear the ref double check the decision to get it reaffirmed. As it is the game is over there is nothing we can do to change the result.

@ollyfoister2153 11 месяцев назад

I have Diaz in my fantasy football team,that’s the real horror story here

@pronoun_dilemma 11 месяцев назад

I think that's been the worst thing about the whole debacle! 😉

@Drewtheelder 11 месяцев назад

Are you going to sue the PL?@@pronoun_dilemma

@967mviews2 11 месяцев назад

😂

@ollyfoister2153 11 месяцев назад

@@Drewtheelder The whole season has been ruined

@Drewtheelder 11 месяцев назад

Fantasy football, a pretty good description of the prem, hopefully your luck will improve.@@ollyfoister2153

@jimknight5420 11 месяцев назад

What were they doing? Why did they think, in contrast to the millions watching, that it had been given as onside? They were the only two people on the planet that thought the goal had been allowed by the match officials. This explanation creates many more questions than answers, including the possibility that they weren't actually watching the match until the incident!

@paulangeloff400 11 месяцев назад

@jimknight5420. This. Exactly. Everything else is just nonsense. What were they doing ? Making tea? On their phones ? Arsing about ? We will never know because they will never admit. But they both have to be fired.

@MrBatchy123 11 месяцев назад

It’s a nonsense excuse. The actual board for VAR said checking OFFSIDE goal not checking onside goal. So Howard Webb is a liar in his explanation and so is Darren England

@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings 11 месяцев назад

LiVARpool denied 1 goal - Outrage,Crys City lose to Hwang goal who should have got Red - No Mention/Outrage Media not Biased,Corrupt?🤔

@paulangeloff400 11 месяцев назад

@@MrBatchy123 is that why they see though ? I mean do those words come up on their screen ? I don’t know.

@abdulmumin6251 11 месяцев назад

So when u can clearly see the ball has not been taken to the center stop after the disallowed goal that means the ref gave a goal kick surely they could see that.

@DodgeTheseBullets 11 месяцев назад

Simon saying the irony of VAR meant there would be no goal for the offside without it. Well neither would Jones' sending off 🤷

@newbsmedia2277 11 месяцев назад

True.

@jetgander2884 11 месяцев назад

Also, Further to that the lineman might have raised his flag as he wanted it to be checked - There is a chance the flag does not get raised if VAR was not avaliable

@mumlovessuzy 11 месяцев назад

Ok it wasn't as bad as arsenal one broke his ankle Eduardo but it looked just as bad straight red won't get overturned sky to blame thinking otherwise

@iandavis1723 11 месяцев назад

Bissouma is lucky he can still walk after that tackle you melt

@liamblumeris6933 11 месяцев назад

@@iandavis1723if it didn’t deserve a red in real time then it probably was that bad. The ball stopped most of the force that’s how physics works

@maldini3184 11 месяцев назад

Protocol??? Who remember when VAR awarded a penalty to United after the final whistle? That's the first I've ever seen something like that and nobody mentioned protocols. They could've even awarded it at half time because it was a goal. It doesn't matter how long it takes

@karlhandley9375 11 месяцев назад

Of course it matters how long it takes. It completely alters the mindset of the teams. Imagine Spurs holding onto the ball in the last minute for a draw, then its announced Liverpool goal stands and Spurs are losing. But in this instance, stopping the game as soon as VAR see the game is still 0-0 is fine. Goal rightly awarded and Spurs can adapt.

@azizandamit9191 11 месяцев назад

@@karlhandley9375So you're saying the wrong call didn't alter the Liverpool players' mindset? And you're happy with the FALSE outcome now? It's okay for Liverpool to lose by a wrong call, but not okay to correct the referee because Spurs will be losing? 😂 Sums you up.

@docholiday-lm4vf 11 месяцев назад

@karl the wrong decision ulters players thoughts 😂😂 If another team cant handle a fair and legit goal being given then its there mentality that needs questioning

@Darwinion 11 месяцев назад

The game hadn't "restarted" though. There was the incident and the ref blew for full time (stopping the game). If the ball had gone out for a throw, and it was taken then the ref couldn't go back. But the ball was still in play when he blew, which is no different to blowing for the penalty anyway. You might think its silly. But that's not the point. It's the laws of the game.

@olawilliams25 11 месяцев назад

Thanks for that epic reminder of earlier VAR episodes. I also recall that pen for ManU some years back. Bizarre incident I thought. Perhaps also fraudulent or a clear correction of an earlier error or attempt at a fraud? Now, it needs to be revisited as some sort of precedence.

@dbizz8642 11 месяцев назад

I remember when VAR awarded Man Utd a penalty AFTER the FINAL WHISTLE had gone!!!!

@berniewharton4493 11 месяцев назад

Yes I remember that but that is man it'd we are talking about

@DarrenMac-yk2gd 11 месяцев назад

But you’re obsessed little boy who wouldn’t me man enough to admit we where denied a clear penalty against Palace that stopped Rashford going through on goal a clear goal scoring opportunity, and have been on the bad end of some terrible decisions this season with var making fake likes manipulating them to try and make Garnacho look offside vs Arsenal when he was clearly onside

@ethandraper4645 11 месяцев назад

Which is in the rules of the game and was also 3 seasons ago.

@snick260 11 месяцев назад

But that was in the rules of the game, as the players hadn't left the pitch, so the ref/VAR where allowed to make that decision

@cutchy5 11 месяцев назад

Yes that goal would've been disallowed without var, but Curtis Jones would've had a yellow

@bobpadok5331 11 месяцев назад

Var at minimum should perfectly execute offsides..it make game far fairer and one wrong call by human error over long time.not change positive aspect of var on offsides..withouth var ofside calls were terrible every game..

@jurgensplurgen8972 11 месяцев назад

Jordan keeps saying without VAR the goal would be disallowed but neglects to mention LFC would have 11 on the pitch.

@attila-man 11 месяцев назад

When did LFC even say they have a problem with VAR? I think their problem is with the officials.

@DJ-yu9gk 11 месяцев назад

Hes a classic politician that ppl are fed up with. He tries to politically tell us how we are all blind and he is right. Hes an absolute mug. He is definition of what western world is facing with in terms of political corruption.

@Habshoosh 11 месяцев назад

Spot-on

@TheMartinTD 11 месяцев назад

Lol jones tackle was a clear straight red, it was a bad clumsy tackle and a potential leg breaker.

@jurgensplurgen8972 11 месяцев назад

@@TheMartinTD you were watching a different game lad. The still on the screen was a set up.

@alanbarker2279 11 месяцев назад

There was unquestionable bias shown against Liverpool by the on field officials and the Stockley Park crew throughout the whole match. Whether this demonstrates corruption is open to debate, however to brush it off as just "human factual error" is unacceptable.

@bobpadok5331 11 месяцев назад

Its whole season..manchester clubs are protected as hell and with proper calls man.utd would have four less pts and sit on relegation line.

@andr9j 11 месяцев назад

Liverpool should sue the PGMOL out of business if we miss UCL or the PL Title by 1 point again.

@kernowchris 11 месяцев назад

haha that's so silly.

@Fahrenheit53 11 месяцев назад

Then Wolves should sue for their loss of a point for the penalty not given in their Liverpool game.

@craigjohnson9605 11 месяцев назад

@@Fahrenheit53the fact you can’t determine the difference between a subjective decision and an objective decision tells me that you shouldn’t really be speaking on football matters. In my entire 32 years of life I have never seen a decision quite this bad. Made all the worse by 3 people in the VAR booth apparently, somehow not knowing that it was onside, not bothering to draw the lines, or not knowing that the on field officials had called it as offside. And then not noticing they had stuck with an offside decision, not realising a free kick had been given instead of a centre kick, not realising the Liverpool players were not celebrating. Then after ALL of those mistakes, not having the balls to call it back and tell Simon Hooper that they had made a mistake and to go back and rectify the decision only seconds later. You think that’s the same as a referee not thinking a challenge warrants a penalty and the VAR officials agreeing with him? Ok.

@Richie236 11 месяцев назад

@@Fahrenheit53penalty on who?

@sevovevo3396 11 месяцев назад

A penalty is not a goal. 2 different things

@Sparky-ns2uu 11 месяцев назад

It's not human error. I can't believe they are saying they thought the goal was given when we all know the ref and linesman are communicating with VAR officials. Absolutely embarrassing to think the public would go along with this nonsense. It's blatantly obvious what's going on.

@drep9028 11 месяцев назад

Arsenal v Brentford. Lines drawn incorrectly. Rashford ushering a ball in an offside position v City. Cuccarrella getting his hair pulled v Chelsea. But guess what ... every one moved on. Why we still on this one? 😕

@prowsy8825 11 месяцев назад

⁠@@drep9028the instances you outlined are mistakes we can understand and are somewhat common. But the Dias offside is totally incomprehensible and the explanation left everyone even more baffled. Like how in gods name does that even happen

@drep9028 11 месяцев назад

@@prowsy8825 seriously? 😒 This one was not as bad as the Arsenal one. For Arsenal, they "drew the lines incorrectly"

@efun8334 11 месяцев назад

@@drep9028but they forgot yo draw the lines in this one.

@SS-jn8hl 11 месяцев назад

@@drep9028arsenal was worse, they “forgot” to draw the lines. Aka blatant corruption

@adrians-ro8kk 11 месяцев назад

"Its never been done before" No one was saying this when Man United were awarded a penalty after the final whistle against Brighton

@MaterLacrymarum 11 месяцев назад

People only care when it hurts their team.

@CyrilBiskit 11 месяцев назад

There’s a lots of instances where they ignore things that have happened before. Neville had nothing to say on Casemiros Red card but slated the Jones one. Get it back to ref and linesman and get rid of VAR - human error was understandable and acceptable- Sky have caused all this

@MaterLacrymarum 11 месяцев назад

@@CyrilBiskit I think money caused it. tens of millions might be at stake over a goal.....

@CyrilBiskit 11 месяцев назад

@@MaterLacrymarum sad state of affairs

@bsdetector8063 11 месяцев назад

The handball that was the reason for the Brighton penalty was BEFORE the final whistle. Do you even watch football?😂😂😂

@dannyalexander6197 11 месяцев назад

If this happened to Mourinhos team it would have been an unbelievable press conference 😅

@Michael-uk2qw 11 месяцев назад

In the Norwegian premier league game between Bodø/Glimt and Strømsgodset only yesterday Bodø/Glimt scored a goal that was blown for offside. the game kicked off again but was called back when they checked VAR and realised it wasn't offside.

@Shrukia 11 месяцев назад

But Norway is a civilised country

@joestockton7016 11 месяцев назад

They can’t do that, it’s against the laws of the game! Someone send an email so they don’t do it again, or else they’ll be sanctioned by FIFA!!!

@nongdarko 11 месяцев назад

@@ShrukiaMy thoughts exactly. VAR should be taken away from English officials because they don't know what they're doing.

@TJTOPBOY 11 месяцев назад

Norwegians have a sense. This is England we are talking about here. It’s not just in football people don’t take accountability in their everyday lives.

@thorntonovski 11 месяцев назад

Who remembers the game think in portugal... where they made them come back out of the dressing rooms at half time to take a penalty that wasnt given

@alexgrass4858 11 месяцев назад

Shocking that if they would've broken protocols they would likely get sacked or at least a serious punishment but getting a decision like this wrong gets them nothing

@eaganadams3314 11 месяцев назад

The 2018 World Cup was hosted in Russia and it was for good reason that they said they didn’t want any English referee at the tournament

@bobpadok5331 11 месяцев назад

We need russian var behind english var...

@adamabdool5959 11 месяцев назад

VAR didn’t cause the problem, human beings did. Upgrading VAR technology eg. What FIFA and UEFA uses would strengthen the system further. On Factual matters VAR is to be trusted. BTW Liverpool has not called for the doing away with VAR.

@pabloes588 11 месяцев назад

Did Liverpool not accept their league title? That’s season they was on the right end of far too many wrong var decisions Of course not

@Im_helpless 11 месяцев назад

Exactly, var isn’t the issue it’s the people running it Just make it so we see what var see and we hear what var are saying every single game

@jayleyy 11 месяцев назад

You're right mate. It's not VAR issue, it's the incompetent bunch that doesn't know how to use VAR. Lineman flagged up, that's why the screen shows "Possible OFFSIDE". On Darren's end he was checking on "Possible Goal" in which there's no line drawn. He didn't, bet a single eyelid on the screen on the large words "Possible Offside Goal", this, is incompetency and negligence. Now when game kicks off, he didn't exercise his professionalism to inform about the wrong decision. If Darren truly realised that the score didn't go 0-1 and it was a free kick instead of a kick off, he should consider the interest of all the stakeholders and stop the play in that instant. What's worse? Breaking protocol or staking your entire ORGANISATION's validity, credential, reputation, integrity and fairplay? We are talking about a goal difference that can affect a game's outcome. We haven't even delved into the red cards that this guy overturned.

@original.dwornboy 11 месяцев назад

AI should be in charge of VAR.... The new CHAT GOT will have an IQ of over 10,000.

@Everton-Valley-2005 11 месяцев назад

@@pabloes588total bullcrap...Lpool won the prem in a canter that season bitter boy

@safwaanrawat1263 11 месяцев назад

If you take away VAR, Jones wouldn't have been sent off. So Simon be transparent

@scottcyoung 11 месяцев назад

Good point

@DarrenMac-yk2gd 11 месяцев назад

Clear red

@neilturner6749 11 месяцев назад

Difference was that Jones’ Red Card, although subjectively harsh, was actually objectively correct. So Liverpool would’ve, within the same match, been shown proof that bad refereeing decisions really do balance themselves out!

@samkelorashuza5949 11 месяцев назад

@@neilturner6749But we could have lost or won 4-0 if we had 11 men and be the best team in the league so far if we won. So do they really?

@samkelorashuza5949 11 месяцев назад

@@DarrenMac-yk2gdClear goal

@SoulJourneys20 11 месяцев назад

Simon saying they knew they made a mistake and yet they didn’t rectify it, just award the goal! Liverpool requesting the audio tells me there is more to this than meets the eye!!

@kevinpillay6103 11 месяцев назад

I'm no Liverpool fan but I have to question the integrity of officials. So many key desicions we told are basic errors . These decisions look more than just errors. Wolves non penalty at OT; Villa 2 goals when it was only 1nil(yes Villa fans you deserved the win any which way) and and and. Then Webb and his team are picking poor refs.

@COOLOCKER 11 месяцев назад

A lot of Liverpools fans are asking the same question, and its about the integrity of the officials. To assume that corruption cant happen in the premier league is just insane. Thanks for your honesty mate.

@kevinpillay6103 11 месяцев назад

@@COOLOCKER Exactly that; how are PL refs/officials immune from corruption. Look at the possible issues at Barca now. We have the betting issues with players. They also going off to officiate in other leagues so money is key driver now. They must be taken to task

@potjhm1 11 месяцев назад

When they showed the offside for a few seconds only & without the lines, i started to question it straight away. Something premeditated, deliberate & calculated was going on, Sky playing a part in it. It was only after the social media outrage & foreign broadcasters showing the offside lines did the UK media join the bandwagon.

@COOLOCKER 11 месяцев назад

Exactly the same here mate. Once i saw the image pop up and then dissappear quickly, my first thought was "you robbing bastards". @@potjhm1

@tonypang83 11 месяцев назад

Apparently, the rules say play can't be brought back and restarted unless it's for "game changing" errors, such as mistaken identity, red cards, or acts of serious misconduct. Yet goals aren't mentioned within this part of the rulebook?? 🤔🤔

@jackm201 11 месяцев назад

Jim is unbearable sometimes 😂

@kmc7876 11 месяцев назад

He loves a cheeky line

@lionheart4552 11 месяцев назад

He's talking sense.

@enkaan1676 11 месяцев назад

A wind up merchant

@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere 11 месяцев назад

Jim "It begs the qwestchin" White

@tawAAkul 11 месяцев назад

What's Jim on about? The reaction of the stadium would have reflected that the screen in the stadium showed it was wrong!!

@garymardle2120 11 месяцев назад

Jim plays the clown between two people that have a brain to create the debate.

@st8tesman 11 месяцев назад

Why were the VAR officials Darren England and Dan Cook working in the UAE the days before? Who signed off on this? Who thought the optics of having the VAR officials for a game between two of Manchester City's big rivals this season working for the owner of Manchester City would be good? Why doesn't a conflict of interest come into this? Why aren't officials paid more so they don't need these side gigs?

@st8tesman 11 месяцев назад

It wasn't just significant human error at that moment of the game. There was a buildup of managerial incompetence from Howard Webb.

@luke-ti3fu 11 месяцев назад

Shouldn't be allowed. Who benefits most from PL reputational damage? makes you think.

@gregwalsh2045 11 месяцев назад

It’s a process problem. In cricket all of the facts are verbally confirmed at the start of the check. “The on-field decision is offside”

@PHL87 11 месяцев назад

Simon is absolutely right. The kind of human error that happened can't be prevented in the future. So the logical way of dealing with things like this is to change protocol. I honestly don't think anybody would've objected to this after watching the scene.

@docholiday-lm4vf 11 месяцев назад

Simon was wrong saying wrhout VAR this game would have been the same because the ref gove jones a yellow card and VAR interfered and then the red was shown

@bdboyo 11 месяцев назад

It works in rugby, they had teething problems at the start but it works brilliantly now. In football its getting worse, on sat evening 1 person gets it wrong its a mistake, 2 people get it wrong you raise an eyebrow but 3 people then you do have to ask questions. The officiating from all of them in that game was shocking.

@dave-ld8mo 11 месяцев назад

100 % agree with Simon: The problem with VAR is that they over complicate things - to the point that the protocol hinders common sense. The VAR knew they made a mistake, but because of the “protocol” they thought they are not allowed to correct it after the free kick was taken. That is the problem. We fans do not care if the protocol is followed or if the decision takes a bit longer as long as we get the correct decisions in the end

@nihlify 11 месяцев назад

But they aren't allowed lol, it's not just a "thought"....

@joecurran2811 11 месяцев назад

Peope were moaning about how long it takes them to make decisions tbf

@scarboroughhammer9684 11 месяцев назад

A bigger point is why do the PL not use the champions league technology for offsides? Seems to work pretty well

@ytsparkster 11 месяцев назад

Liverpool's statement is designed to prevent this just becoming tomorrows chip papers, as we used to say.

@FutureJoker 11 месяцев назад

The fact that correcting an error is "against protocol" is a real problem

@reecemercer6772 11 месяцев назад

The reason people are seeking answers on VAR is because we all knew referee’s were incompetent but it was brought in to rectify it and it may be on the whole but there is still too many wrongs whilst destroying the enjoyment of the game.

@bryanteoh9308 11 месяцев назад

@Simon Jordan, what about without VAR Liverpool wouldn’t have gone down to 10 men in the first place?

@stevepoulton8826 11 месяцев назад

What about if they had used it for jotas first booking and booked the cheating spuds player instead?

@jonny3801 11 месяцев назад

Worst referees in any sport I’ve ever seen!

@deluffy7404 11 месяцев назад

The sad thing is every body around the world watching knew diaz was on side, only the referee and the var guy didn't

@the_deputy2327 11 месяцев назад

The VAR guy did, apparently. He supposedly thought the goal was awarded by the Ref. Hence saying 'check complete' IE goal stands. However I call BS as why did the board say 'offside'

@ListerWalkthroughs 11 месяцев назад

They knew as soon as the freekick was being taken because if the right decision they thought was being made came through, they would have restarted from a centre kick. So it's not a minute later, 30 seconds later, they would have known immediately and chose/were too scared to do anything about it. we've already heard of VAR 'looking out' for their mates.

@drep9028 11 месяцев назад

@samallardyce2522 11 месяцев назад

PGMOL has more apologies this season than Jadon Sancho

@jaykafei4815 11 месяцев назад

This is by far the most sensible discussion about what happened that I've heard so far. This was a COMMUNICATION problem, not a technical problem. It will be interesting to see if they release the audio because then we'll know whether the VAR refs were communicating with the ref after the game started about the mistake or if they were to scared to. The rules are you can't go back after the game has started but I fully agree with Simon and Stuart here, just shout at the referee, tell him to go back, they would have realised immediately once the game started with a freekick, and the scorecard still says 0-0!! This isn't about them being bad referees, this is about the VAR and AVAR being bad communicators. What I wonder though is if they did tell the ref, and maybe the ref said I can't go back now, it's too late! This is something that Howard Webb will need to clarify!

@lordcromwell396 11 месяцев назад

Why did the AR flag it offside in the first place? They are supposed to keep flags down on close decisions.

@Eishikigami 11 месяцев назад

He did, he flagged it after the goal had been scored.

@10521206 11 месяцев назад

The protocol argument is a total BS. Liverpool scored a legitimate goal. The game should be resumed at the centre. Not at spurs half because of offside. They could pull it back if they wanted. Say if the ball gone out for a corner, a player thought its a throw-in then throw the ball in. You would pull it back and say to him, not throw in, it’s a corner.

@nicholasbolas 11 месяцев назад

Jim: Martin.... Simon: Good for Martin, but people live in the real world Always ROFL when I hear this.

@mangettelsunil69 11 месяцев назад

Absolutely spot on by Stuart and co, great job guys, in the interest of English football ❤

@fightview360 11 месяцев назад

Simon is 100% right, you cant just say they will make mistakes and then not let them try and fix their mistakes live. We know they will make mistakes, they need to be able to rectify them when they happen.

@batistasarfoakuoko7011 11 месяцев назад

From what Simon Jordan kept insisting, if you take VAR out tthe goal would have been offside. Also, if you take VAR out, Curtis Jones wouldn't have receive a red card. So Liverpool would have be playing 11v11

@FnM23 11 месяцев назад

Jim makes me laugh every video 🤣🤣🤣 he knows some of the stuff he says is ridiculous but someone needs to wind Simon up and have a go at him .

@funfact7188 11 месяцев назад

Liverpool fan here. PGMOL should introduce a protocol that VAR officials must be watching the game that they are helping officiate and that they are prohibited from wearing a blindfold during the game. That would have prevented this unfortunate outcome.

@rokana9641 11 месяцев назад

VAR is fine its just used wrongly in the premier league. Its all the Glazers fault i reckon . I hear Gary Neville saying..😂

@veygewn 11 месяцев назад

I've seen the wrong button pushed in rugby, cricket and league and they just correct it and move on. The fact they had no ability to correct an obvious error is madness

@Hhammer 11 месяцев назад

The problem with “someone made a mistake” is that it isn’t ONE person. It’s multiple people. That’s where people truly have a problem with it. I can deal with one person making a mistake because they don’t have the procedures and technology to help them. But a team of 3+ with tech and procedures cant get it right, that IS a problem and needs investigating

@eldante4139 11 месяцев назад

Honestly when the Diaz goal went in I assumed that it had been given. I was watching it out with friends. When Spurs equalised I was stunned to see that the scoreline was 1-0 to Spurs.

@spitmatic 11 месяцев назад

Jim is making the most ridiculous argument ever, "imagine the moment?" 😂😂

@graemebucknall2331 11 месяцев назад

Simon , Simon , Simon if no var I don’t think the linesman put ups the flag as that’s what the var ref thought . Jones only gets a yellow card so Liverpool still have 11 men at that point and spurs don’t score as ok flag goes up right or we except it . But var is suppose to rectify that you can’t go without var it would not count because var influences the on field decisions with if I’m Wrong it will rectify it if I’m right it changes nothing . Linesman under var is only to raise his flag if he’s 100% sure . Diaz isn’t in line with the player he’s nearly a yard behind so if the linesman is up with play he should clearly see diaz is on side it wasn’t a tight call . I reiterate var ref thought the on files decision was that it was a goal . I said 12 months ago it won’t be long before PGMOL are taken to Court .. mark Halsey has said there is corruption with in the refs association. Having an agenda against certain clubs . Bets on bookings , corners etc . Then this happens .. protocol wasn’t followed . If I don’t follow protocol at my place of work I’m getting the sack if deemed a serious breach . Why should refs just get a slap on the wrist

@tyler328 11 месяцев назад

How can it be a mistake when wrong decisions are happening almost every game every week.... Thank god a club is going to try do something about it..

@gavd9151 11 месяцев назад

The club that var has helped the most now moaning about it 😂😂

@david82724 11 месяцев назад

@@mazdakmina9493 im pretty sure there have been wrong offside calls before m8 but anyways... i dont get all the fuss tho... been blown way outta proportion... as a chelsea fan we've had soooo many decisions go our way and the other way too... if i was to start listing them all we'd be here all day... as an example take the cucurella hair pull that cost us a win... mike dean later came and said he was "protecting" his friend... thats objective too considering the ref himself came and admitted he fucked up... or anthony taylor sending kova off in the fa final against arsenal when i think it was xhaka that actually fouled him... yet i dont remember no way near as much uproar...

@docholiday-lm4vf 11 месяцев назад

@gavyour statement is so uneducated 😂😂 Liverpool have received more apologies than anyother team which shows tve biggest mistakes have went against Liverpool. Rodri hand ball won the league for city over Liverpool!! And all that happened was a sorry haha 3 weeks agai mac allister gets the most mental red card and Liverpool get a sorry…. The jota yellow card is pathetic!! But you keep making stories up that have absolutely no factual support

@spongebacca 11 месяцев назад

Diaz stopped celebrating instantly and the next camera shot on the feed was the linesman with his flag up. Even if the VAR cant hear the audio feed from the ref and linesman, if they're watching the game, they could surely tell the goal wasn't given. I have no idea how they could say that they thought the goal was given as onside

@adrians-ro8kk 11 месяцев назад

*How about an incident report about what exactly happened? An investigation about exact events? Maybe some assurances / list of protocols to ensure that a "HUMAN ERROR" such as this would not happen again?*

@sammyboyjnr5520 11 месяцев назад

Everyone can use a brown envelope full of cash now and again

@oraldavis1602 11 месяцев назад

The game wont be replayed. However, since there is the evidence, an obvious goal, the powers that be should do the unprecedented move and award the goal belatedly to Liverpool.Justice can never be too late....2-2!

@32stevo 11 месяцев назад

how does VAR get offside wrong though its the most simple rule in the game?

@TheSm1thers 11 месяцев назад

The message from PGMOL is that VAR saw it and knew it was obviously onside but due to a communication error or something they thought the referee hadn't disallowed the goal and just said "check complete" which led the referee on the pitch to stick with the original decision, however this excuse doesn't make much sense cos it said on the screen they were checking a disallowed goal. Also strange that this wasn't immediately rectified.

@MrJudgementday99 11 месяцев назад

A few things here: Those two refs were 48 hours back from a very well paid tripped to UAE, does no-one see a conflict of interest? The decision was a howler, but so were so many in the game; Jota not touching Destiny when he got his first yellow Curtis Red that I have only heard one exp-player say was a red Destiny waving a card, which to my understanding is a yellow and would have had him sent off the advantage being played for LFC until they were clear through on goal and then it was pulled back Too many extreme decisions for only one side, combined with the refs coming back from the UAE for it not to stink

@andyballard1883 11 месяцев назад

No one is calling out the linesman who initially flagged incorrectly his 'significant human error' triggered all of the subsequent errors within the VAR process

@IamTheStormThatIsApproaching1 11 месяцев назад

And they shouldn't, since it's an error anyone could have made and should have been corrected easily by VAR officials, like as is intended. He's definitely not to blame.

@Watty7878 11 месяцев назад

When is the audio being released?

@SootyHunt 11 месяцев назад

Stuart’s right… there should be a representative from each team at stockley park in the VAR room to over see the refs and be able to protest decisions like this.

@fightview360 11 месяцев назад

If the audio was played for everyone to hear live, then a mistake would have been noticed straight away and most likely dealt with there and then.

@chloesdad1000 11 месяцев назад

Come on TalkSport, somebody placed a fiver or five million on the match. You are all cowards for not at least going down that road. I get why but something stinks here.

@vladtepes97 11 месяцев назад

4:15 it wasn't the decision-making process that was at fault. it was the communication process that messed up. "check complete" has to be replaced with "onside, goal/offside, no goal", and "foul, penalty/no foul, no penalty", etc.

@jonhayes7322 11 месяцев назад

Exactly. Fans are failing to see that the officials are not looking at the images and going “yep, offside” 😂 we don’t want to get into conspiracies, that’s why Toney for example has to go away because we need to know we’re playing the game for real.

@ashwilliams4959 11 месяцев назад

I love how the narrative has become focused on 1 bad decision let alone the rest of em all stacked against Liverpool. Its corruption you can try to hide it but we aren't stupid

@mcscars87 11 месяцев назад

Stop booing the national anthem then

@dstewusa7054 11 месяцев назад

So you’re saying Tottenham were “allowed” to take the 3 points because generally they like the Royal Family more???!

@lapprentice 11 месяцев назад

Mate, there is only 1 bad call on the on side goal, that is about it. All the cards are fair and square. In fact, I would even say that the ref allowed Liverpool time wasting. When Liverpool/ManU/ManC got a bad VAR call, everyone freaks out like the world has ended. Yet, when Wolves got a bad VAR call, even the ref admitted it. Where were all the Liverpool/ManU/ManC & media?;

@nc8507 11 месяцев назад

@mcscars87 Stop crying and geow a pair if that bothers you so much

@ljc7935 11 месяцев назад

@@lapprenticewatch jotas first yellow an absolutely madness. When clubs get ridiculous decisions against them they should all question, its fortunate LFC are big enough to challenge. This was not a subjective 13:37 issue (accidental handball/bad tackle) it was on or off simple..its only right proper attention is given to inspire improvement

@KAL-589 11 месяцев назад

Jim - argues for the sake of arguing, without offering anything tangible.

@Suntdy007 11 месяцев назад

Then award everyone their disallowed goals - I name this “The call of God”

@Suntdy007 11 месяцев назад

What part of it didn’t you understand?

@Suntdy007 11 месяцев назад

Wrongly disallowed goals Liverpool ain’t the only one who have had a bad decision and got an apology so if the call is to allow them the goal now they need to address it for all other games too

@Suntdy007 11 месяцев назад

@@paultaylor9498 oh well bad luck - it’s happened now no going back - time to move on

@Suntdy007 11 месяцев назад

@@paultaylor9498 we had one btw against Fulham which wasn’t even checked and there was nothing wrong with the goal - it’s just as bad

@oliekenealy9436 11 месяцев назад

Now they've released the footage Simon was spot on, They didn't have the balls to pull it back

@Jahson70 11 месяцев назад

The VAR officiates clearly had it in for Liverpool. You could easily tell this by the still image of the Jones tackle they had prepared for the ref when they told him to go to the monitor. It wasn't long after this that they got the offside decision catastrophically wrong both on and off the pitch. The on pitch call was understandable, but the way VAR took things from there is mind boggling bafflingly stupid. Or was it? It would be great to hear the audio of what exactly was said at that particular time during the game. Does it line up with the official explanation?

@garymcgra 11 месяцев назад

So when a decision goes with them are the official's biased against the team Liverpool are playing.

@ChristianHeid7 11 месяцев назад

I 100% agree with Simon and Stuart here. There HAS to be some sort of authority that goes - Hang on... what is going on here? This is a wrong call based on what we have seen. Stop the game and do a PROPER check. IF the rules are not allowing that... then the RULES are WRONG. Thats how simple it is. Some sports have special authority on the sidelines that can stop the game if such issues come up. One thing that would definetly helped in this case would have been if a manager can CHALLENGE the call and ask for proper review since it was not done. THis is another thing done in many sports to make sure that the right call is made. Lets think in solutions cause VAR atm is simply not working and is making way to many bad calls. And something has to be done now with players standing in offside position and in line with the keeper. Cause we had one such goal allowed this weekend that should have been ruled as offside. Just go look at the second goal for Villa and tell me the player in offside position did not block the view of the keeper for the ball.

@jonoharper4729 11 месяцев назад

Specific protocols, procedures and language need to be implemented into the VAR system. In this case it should be... "Check underway/check complete/Onside/Fair goal/Goal awarded" All steps of the process need to be communicated, from the checks to the correct outcome, completed with an audible confirmation from the referee. I am shocked that there is no set, prescribed procedure and protocol that VAR must follow once the checking process is triggered. VAR lacks the basic, simple governance that exists in every business worldwide.

@dstewusa7054 11 месяцев назад

💯 It’s ridiculously amateurish plus it allows for a lack of TRANSPARENCY

@EllandRoar84 11 месяцев назад

As a Leeds fan it has been a breath of fresh air not to have VAR dissecting every goal scored this season. If you don't see a flag or hear a whistle, its a goal. I'd rather accept a few wrong decisions and less stoppages than stoppages and still wrong decisions. Keep the technology for goal line and leave the rest of the game alone.

@tonyburton5706 11 месяцев назад

Liverpool are going to make sure this runs and runs. Odds on liverpool will get a dubious penalty and many decisions in their favour next weekend, absolutely without a doubt. Just imagine the pressure the officials are going to be under.

@chucksmcgee8716 11 месяцев назад

As a Liverpool fan I can see this happening and it would be absolutely terrible. I don't want to see that kind of football.

@ComradeOgilvy1984 11 месяцев назад

Part of this is fallout from being card happy. Liverpool has gotten an amazing number of bookings. But the trend is across the whole league, not just Liverpool. That kind of heavy-handedness brings additional scrutiny, especially when simple decisions are botched.

@beaudacious_10 11 месяцев назад

100% agree - should have broken protocol before anything significant happened. Yes a breach and rules are there for a reason but no one would complain if the right thing was done.

@ilansamonamay4192 11 месяцев назад

Thank you Simon for saying out loud what the most of us think (I presume), but honestly what does man in the middle not understand about what is being said 🤦🏾‍♂️ take the mic away from him please 😭

@docholiday-lm4vf 11 месяцев назад

How was simon correct??? He kept saying the game would have been no different without VAR….. The ref give jones a yellow card!!! Then VAR got involved and sent him off whoch changes the game massively

@philcox95 11 месяцев назад

If Simon Jordan thinks Anthony Taylor is a standout referee we are in big Trouble

@DeanRTaylor 11 месяцев назад

If VAR didn't exist the first lad wouldn't have been sent off and then there wouldn't have been as much importance on getting a 1 - 0 lead. It was the specific circumstances of this situation that has caused the drama. If it was just a bad decision it would just be another VAR decision.

@johnbwoi1674 11 месяцев назад

Ya but nobody is talking about that! In addition to the fact that people seem to ignore that officials make decisions knowing that VAR might save them. Who's to say that he wouldve raised his flag if there was no VAR? Linesmen have become more confident about raising their flag because will VAR rectify if they're wrong

@opeyemiagboola6529 11 месяцев назад

Exactly my point to I don’t think it’s just because of the goal , I think that just escalated it .. the refereeing of the entire game was a shamble .

@yogiparashara4016 11 месяцев назад

I agree that VAR is not the issue its how its used (or Not) in this case!! Clearly the issues are with the Refs, officials and process

@SootyHunt 11 месяцев назад

Imagine you had money on Diaz scoring, or the game a draw etc… They could of just people there savings, big bets, houses etc…. Shocking !

@squid4451 11 месяцев назад

Somebody had a accumulator with Diaz scoring that would on won £9,500.

@scottbrown7448 11 месяцев назад

Darren England told Simon Hooper about the error 7 seconds after the restart so obviously they could of broke protocol.

@chrisbradwell857 11 месяцев назад

This is why I love football. Even with the technology to get decisions correct it's not correct. Gives us all something to talk about for the week. I love it. 😂

@rhysmorgan88 11 месяцев назад

No, this is not a good thing... the whole season is in question and will reference this point

@chrisbradwell857 11 месяцев назад

It's an entertainment game. Are you not entertained? Wrong decisions go for and against every team in a season we can't be mad about this if we not gonna do the same this weekend if it happens to another team. For answers look to rugby they use var the correct way and make sure the decision is correct and everyone is clear about it.

@ICGedye 11 месяцев назад

Liverpool fan here. I concede that the move that led to the Diaz goal was so marginal that it could quite easily have been flagged offside 90% of the time. So i'm not salty about that. It turned out to be a terrific goal, but I have serious issues with the offside rule anyway, and in my eyes a stray foot somewhere along the line by a defender who can't do anything about the attacker if he were 5 metres near the goal touchline is neither here nor there. The defender(s) near him should be what counts, but that is only my opinion. What should happen is 3 lights, red or green, should go up from each of the var officials and an ex-player immediately, and unless the player and a var agree then the on-field call should count anyway. If there is some agreement, then the colour of the lights decides. No playing back in slow-mo, only 1 replay at normal speed for fouls, and leave offsides to the on-field officials. Mic up the refs and show any action to the crowd on the big screen. If most if not all of these steps were taken, I think a more balanced and clearer result could be achieved.

@mcscars87 11 месяцев назад

Hate simons new found love for refs.... ever since he started his podcast and wants new guests ....

@alanmccartney3922 11 месяцев назад

Yeah ok, so can spurs replay 2019 Champions League final against Liverpool because of that first minute handball decision. Where does this end, its ridiculous.

@larrytonge4104 11 месяцев назад

Match fixing.. say it like it is lads

@MrBarry465 11 месяцев назад

No just total incompetence.

@kevinlock7637 11 месяцев назад

Have u ever sat in front of a var screen no

@jusukallon721 11 месяцев назад

I agree with Simon absolutely. Call the ref; acknowledge mistake; tell him (ref) to award the goal ... Nobody was going to die anyway ...

@mixterz1 11 месяцев назад

Everyone noticed something was up when the lines weren't drawn by Var. Whole process is a joke. Spurs are now over Liverpool on the table. If they can deduct teams points then they can surely make the correct decision and call that game a draw.

@sandwormgod4771 11 месяцев назад

The two VAR officials were monitoring VAR in a UAE match on Thursday, and apparently were very well paid for it. The Premier League club owned by UAE lose on Saturday and what happens later in the same day? A club that's expected to be a major challenger for the Premier League title is subjected to 3 very dubious VAR decisions. Curtis Jones red card? Skipp carried out a worse challenge on Luis Diaz last season. It was referred to VAR as a possible red card incident. No red card was given. PGMOL released a statement. They said:- This wasn't a red because when "a player is stepping into a challenge, gets the timing slightly wrong and catches the opponent above the boot, it has been consistent that these are not VAR red cards." Luis Diaz goal? PGMOL couldn't do anything else except hold their hands up to the VAR "error". Joe Gomez penalty? Joe Gomez is brought down in the penalty area which is referred to VAR, who determine it as no foul. Earlier in the season van Dijk is sent off for the exact same challenge, that was reviewed by VAR and confirmed. It was deemed a foul and as van Dijk was the "last man", he was shown a straight red card. Yet nothing for Joe Gomez? PGMOL personnel failing to follow their organisations own guidelines. Will they get more work from UAE? I think there's a strong possibility that they will.

@pcapicchiano 11 месяцев назад

They are all over the place with the debate and over-complicating what is needed to fix this issue going forward so here are my suggestions: 1. VAR communication in the future regarding goal/offside reviews being communicated to on-field ref should require VAR to state either "on side - goal allowed" or "offside - goal disallowed". 2. award Liverpool 3 points, allow Spus to retain its 3 points 3. After agreeing to actions 1 - 2 above let these pundits debate how wrong that is.

@TR4zest 11 месяцев назад

This is a special day. Jordan said something I agree with. People are making mistakes, not the VAR system.

@peedee-zo1yq 11 месяцев назад

Change the law of the game relating to this situation. Allow play to be stopped again after restart, within a reasonable time limit. No-one has to then break protocol. Initiating error was that the VAR panel missed the offside flag.

@jamesp2646 11 месяцев назад

This could be so easily fixed, if the VAR protocol was to say ‘Goal given’ instead of ‘check complete’, I’d love to hear the audio from this one it just seems like such an unlikely scenario.

@sameplayer5220 11 месяцев назад

its pretty obvious, city just lost half an hour earlier. aint no way the prem would allow other teams to take advantage of it, send 2 guys off and making multiple "human" errors.

@docholiday-lm4vf 11 месяцев назад

Absolutely!!! Sure 2 years ago rodri gives away the most blantant pen which meant liverpool would have won the league and NO pen given and the first pogmol apology Same thing

@typhlosion4493 11 месяцев назад

It's not "one incident" though is it.. its the second statement about a wrong decision that they've made this season and we're on week 7 and there have been loads of other shocking decisions they haven't addressed

@tradelikedash.640 11 месяцев назад

The margin of making errors in VAR is absolutely zero. Nada.

@turunturun 11 месяцев назад

The problem isn’t Offside VAR it is clearly that humans are involved in Offside VAR. “The most efficient crew for a space ship is a computer, a human, and a dog: the computer to fly the ship, the human to feed the dog, and the dog to bite the human if he touches the computer.”

@tj87264 11 месяцев назад

I don't think any reasonable people are suggesting that we should remove VAR or that the game should be replayed. What people do want is transparency regarding how the officials came to that decision. At the very least, the PGMOL should release the audio to the Premier League so that it can independently assessed, rather than them simply admitting they got it wrong and expecting everyone to just accept that and move on. If they've nothing to hide, release the audio.

@IamTheStormThatIsApproaching1 11 месяцев назад

Why would you need to be an unreasonable person to suggest we should remove VAR? There's nothing unreasonable about disliking it. Football was 100% better before VAR. It has annoyed the hell out of people frequently and bar a few good calls it has been mostly controversial and nitpicky. If you told me VAR was going away I'd jump for joy.

@tj87264 11 месяцев назад

@@IamTheStormThatIsApproaching1 I'm no fan of VAR and didn't want it introduced and still think football was better without it. However, I think it's unreasonable to suggest that it should be removed because of what happened at the weekend. It wasn't the system's fault, it was the referees operating the system. And of everything that VAR is used for, the offside rule is the one where I do actually think it helps and works well for on a consistent basis. Perhaps 'unreasonable' was the incorrect term, I think it's unrealistic to suggest that, though.

@IamTheStormThatIsApproaching1 11 месяцев назад

@@tj87264 it should be removed because it made football worse, not because of one incident.

@tj87264 11 месяцев назад

@@IamTheStormThatIsApproaching1 You're probably right, it has made football worse, but that's our opinion. Others might think it's better now because it's helping refs reach more correct decisions. So, for the most part it has been successful at what it was brought in to do, therefore I think getting rid of it now is unrealistic. In this instance, VAR isn't the problem - it's the idiots using it that have caused the issue.

@IamTheStormThatIsApproaching1 11 месяцев назад

@@tj87264 yes, but var also IS at fault here, since it was supposed to perform a job and it did not.