Simon Jordan CLASHES With Stefan Borson Over Man City's FFP CHARGES 🔥🍿 

Borson was part of the sportswashing that took place between 2010 and 18 the period where city wasn't that popular abroad and had never been as popular as spurs in 2010 in Britain and still not in 2024? How their commercial revenue rocketed while matchday revenue was half of spurs? They was just becoming relevant in the Premier league again from 2010? By 2018 established and from then on yes they was self sustainable? But to say they they was extremely profitable in that decade is a myth!

​@mymemories925 no he wasn't, he advised the club on the sale of the club when Thaksin Shinawatra bought City in 2008. He hasn't advised the club under the new ownership.

@mymemories925 no he wasn't.

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Why do you spout a load of nonsense and expect people not to pick holes in your comments ...bit silly ​@@mymemories925

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Have subscribed to typical city already an gonna sit down an watch borson on your channel. 👍

It was a very well conducted and informative interview. Very interesting and NOT dry as Stefan thought possible ( he is too humble, in a good way).

Just watched it earlier, really good watch 👍🏻

Enjoyed your video with Stefan earlier today Jonny. Very informative, and you let the guy speak without interruption and without talking over him too.

Thanks for this. As a subscriber, I shall now have to catch up.

The guy doesn’t he’s just going blah blah we want a big court to deal with it as it’s the biggest ever his own words so there going to build a new one in Saudi and it’s going to be fair lol

@@waynehardiman5443 Get to the hospital immediately that bang on the head could be serious. Or do you normally talk gobbledegook? Why on earth would they want a hearing where Newcastle`s owners are from.

​@SUPPS2GO 115 EPL charges that have no juristriction 😂

Simon you have been shown up for what you are, by someone who is an expert in the financial field… unlike you mate !!! All for a bit of click bate, but you “Mr Failed Football Club Owner,”are starting to loose any credibility you may have had, with those City demons running around in your head.

The fact you think city is even Saudi is hilariousv​@@waynehardiman5443

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Just look at the amount of business City have done since the Premier League announced the charges a year ago. Surely if the writing was on the wall for City, these companies wouldn’t be touching us with a barge pole knowing we could be playing Altrincham instead of Liverpool? Yet all of the below has been signed and sealed since we were charged. This is a huge indicator that they’ve been given solid assurances, and possibly even been privy to City’s “comprehensive body of evidence” proving we have done nothing wrong, allowing them to confidently partner with us without worrying about the future. A brief summary of our commercial development since being charged… Kellogg’s - Breakfast product supply partner plus multi year stadium commercial advertising deal CP Company - Off field clothing partner Qualtrics - Experience management software partner Rexona (Sure) - Renewed long term sponsorship deal Joie - Academy Stadium naming rights and women’s team sponsorship deal OKX - Additional sleeve sponsorship deal Midea - Renewed long term partnership Nissan - New deal extending partnership to City’s official charity as well as club Inclusion diversity and equality affairs Nexen Tyre - New long term sponsorship renewal ChallengerMode - Official Esports platform partner Asahi Superdry - New deal extending sponsorship to training kits Axi - Renewed global partnership Jio - Official Club Telecoms partner in India Keep spouting 115 at your own risk…

Totally agree mate . I warmed to him a while ago but now he seems to think he knows everything, and when he’s exposed he just talks over whoever is making him look a twat

@@johnchristopher792 It started off well for him with his full blooded honesty on topics but noticeably other not such great characteristics crept in i.e. the hypocrisy, the arrogance, the bias, the talking over guests, the constant digs at certain people. He often lets ego rule his opinions and it's probably this that led to his footballing downfall.

How did you come to this conclusion? Don't think SJ has said anything from here

So the financial crash was Simon’s fault is that what your eluding to ?

​@@joewhite22Yep I fully agree - takes a hostile approach to certain individuals,particularly the likes of Gary Neville, Gary lineker or anyone that has deemed as being left or Centre left. His podcast has bombed in terms of numbers, because once the novelty wears off, you realise he's about as uninformed as most people he slags off, just speaks queens english.

Simon went easy on him

well Borson also worked for City so I'd be slightly cautious over what he has to say

@@matthewm3869 a long time ago in a very limited capacity for a short time and before the current ownership regime. I haven't heard him say anything that doesn't seem perfectly plausible but yes it is right to be cautious with everything you hear. Inspect it, interrogate it.

Agreed, simon like many others are so desperate for city to be guilty that it shocks them to their core when someone like the gentleman in this video shows up. Clearly showing that the whole situation isnt as simple as "cities guilty, im right youre wrong" like simon makes it out to be.

@matthewm3869 he did, but it was a long time ago, and before the Arabs had taken over. I could be wrong but I doubt he feels the need to defend them because he used to work there.

- LiVARpool caught Hacking - LiVARpool not considered Cheats - City found Not Guilty in Court - City are considered Cheats?🤣

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@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings Not very bright are you and, seems you are the antithesis of your user name

@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings hacking??? and Liverpool have been cost 12 points this season by VAR. You are clearly deluded so hush please.

Crass comment ​@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings

All signs are he’s a United fan… he can’t shut up about them

Simon & many others, they'll always use the "for the good of football" bs line😂

Depends what you're talking about. 5 of the charges relate to Uefa, on which city WERE found guilty and overturned at CAS due to time barring. Having been found guilty and let off on a technicality, that's pretty straightforward. 40 charges (and potentially increasing, as this is up to 2018) are of not co operating with the Premier League 's investigation and remit.Again City tried to legally bar the investigation into them (not an outcome, just the whole investigation).So that's pretty strong. The rest will be difficult,as proving City 'knowingly ' cheated the financial restraints of FFP, will probably rely on the 'leaked' evidence from a suspected hack. That legally speaking is 'fruit of the poisoned tree', and undermines everything unless the Premier League has stronger evidence. The funny bit, is that the Premier League have no knowledge of City goings on, because City won't co operate (a charge they deny lol) but a lack of evidence IS proof of not giving up financial records, something which City signed up to do.😅 If you read all that, congratulations you deserve a biscuit! (But not a choccy one😮)

Simon has shown his petty petty character and personality, specifically regarding Man City...he was shown mirror, which he did not enjoy at all...I loved to see him this uncomfortable 😂

​@@GlynnParry-bs6xgOverturned by CAS because City weren't guilty. Read the verdict again

Even when Stefan isn’t in the room Simon is not the smartest

Spouting an endliess stream of word salad does not make him smart.

Simon is the prime example of a know it all narcissist

Simon isn't even that smart. He just uses long words to sound intelligent, let's be honest if he was that smart he wouldn't be bankrupt and almost take palace into administration

​@@kennyp9616he's bang on the coke

- LiVARpool caught Hacking - LiVARpool not considered Cheats - City found Not Guilty in Court - City considered Cheats?😂

@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings Dont forget Liverpools history of match fixing.

It took them 4 years because it's not easy to find conclusive evidence. If you're innocent, you should not need as much time to prove innocence as it did for someone to build a whole case with 115 charges. I think the PL needs to be more pragmatic in their approach, limit the number of charges to the most egregious and rock-solid ones so that the process can be expedited, then proceed with the rest once they get their guilty verdict.

​@fady02 but they won't get their "guilty" verdict so doesn't really matter either way.

@@infidelMCR Neither of us know, but so far the PL has been getting verdicts in all of the cases put forward. Assuming the contrary as a fact is needless bias lol. If they've got nothing, then again expediting the trial is in the best interest of the sport.

If were listening. They both actually made valid points.

You're listening to a different conversation then mate

Stefan isn’t in the least bit biased towards City whatsoever, is he?!!!!

​@@scousertommy8220he only appears biased towards the facts tbh

@@scousertommy8220 he is a City fan from way back but has always been brutally honest about these charges…and has upset a lot of City fans especially when the charges were first laid. City’s case is now well into the “discovery phase” now where lawyers are examining evidence from the claimant (PL) and the defendant (City). Strong rumours circulating that the PL case (like UEFA’s at CAS) is very weak - both from City and a number of other clubs including United. The fact that City’s commercial chief (Berrada) has been appointed as their CEO makes it clear that Ratcliffe & Co accept these charges are going nowhere -;they wouldn’t touch him with barge pole if they believed otherwise.

Stefan literally just picks holes in everything he says and also clearly has a very good memory in what Jordan has said before. His confidence levels have dropped significantly from his previous chats on the show with Stefan. He knows himself the case has been poorly put together and most likely will get picked apart when it all goes down.

nobody believes for one second man city operates by the rules,they have already been caught once.simon was right and big ears is waffling nonsense and trying to stall everything just like man city

You read it. That City inflated the Etihad and Etisalat sponsorships using money direct from ADUG was not up for debate. But it had been more than 5 years and so CAS determined it was time-barred. Even so, CAS only voted 2-1 to "acquit". One of those 2 was Andrew McDougall QC, who was nominated by City, who worked for White and Case. Guess the names of two of White & Case's clients....you guessed it.... Etihad and Etisalat.

did that have atrocious spelling mistakes in it too!?

£1m out of court settlement paid.....!

easy wen hes bullying keown or jim woke, guys a muppet

@@mickeyknoxnbk219I agree he’s an absolute turnip.

You mean that Simon is correct.

@@oasis4426-cz6wt No, I mean that he was objectively wrong about the charges pertaining to fair value sponsorships, which there aren't any, and he was also objectively wrong about City denying access to hearings, which was actually the PL's decision. It seems like this whole topic is beyond Simon's capability to discuss so he should just leave it for others who are more equipped.

Watch Simon Jordan vs Eddie Hearn.

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that too many long words my head hurts

@@whoknew2273 If you know, you know.

What you’ve got here , is a narrative, of an absolute Herbert…isn’t it?, yeesss

I think Simon learnt something here, and more importantly, so did we

@@DrMattiLabbratt I've already priced that into my thinking.

Can't wait for the downfall of this artificial club

@@brucewayne8029 i'd wait if i was you coz there wont be one.

Yep that's typical behaviour from him when he's not on top of the argument

You mean he speaks well, compared to Martin Keown.

Not guilty, you actually believe you won't be found guilty for any ? You are living in a dream world

He’s a United fan

@@holgz I am in South Africa, I was wondering why this guy hate City so much

Man City living in his head! 😢

@@holgzwhy are you getting involved ? You’d think that you’d back him after what happened to your Club over just ONE point .

How is Stefan an expert when he is not part of the citeh set up , he's basically a lifelong citeh fan who used to be a citeh employee who says he thinks citeh are innocent 🤔 😂😂😂

Simon was not put in his place at all. Stefan looked stupid. These are allegations that have been investigated and they have been charged to court. There will be evidence to suggest that there is a likelihood of a prosecution when it gets to court otherwise they wouldn’t have been charged. I completely agree with what Simon is saying and letting it drag on is not acceptable for the integrity of the sport. Who can multiple top lawyers representing city not get there case together in 12- 24months is a joke.

@@rob8493 You`ve got it the wrong way round it`s the premier league which have dug themselves so deep they are looking for a way out.

@@brianshockledge3241Well that’s because it’s expensive to keep fighting counter-cases and obfuscation, and the PL can’t drill their legal fees straight out of the ground like certain others parties. 115Charge FC are a disgrace.

@@brianshockledge3241I don’t believe for one minute that all those charges would have been made and authorised by a professional body without a realistic chance of a prosecution in court. There must be evidence to suggest foul play or the case would have been dismissed. That’s my opinion and the timings are a joke and the court system should not allow it.

@@rob8493 These charges are basically 5 financial over multiple seasons 30+ are for non cooperation and the rest are made up waffle like the grass being too long. The hub of the matter are financial the first being "secret" payments being paid to the then manager Mancini. FFP came in in 2011 while Mancini signed his contract in 2009 when clubs could spend what they wanted which means it couldn`t possibly have been done to circumnavigate ffp. In any case the amount was a piffling £3.5m hardly an amount to make City able to dominate in the future which is what this is all about. The inflated sponserships have also been proved to be wishful thinking only. These charges are sinking faster than the titanic and will probably end up with the non cooperation go to.

City are a tiny club who nobody was ever going to sponsor with serious amounts of cash. The owners had to basically use their own companies to sponsor their own club and build it up into a slightly less tiny club. Now they win things so can legitimately get sponsors, but still don't make enough on merchandise and probably never will. Perhaps the owners could buy all the replica shirts? They will always be tiny because they are city.

Because those irregularities allow them to sign Kdb, Diaz, etc? I'm not sure what you don't get?

​@@johnmccadden9963course they were. I could get nike to sponser them for 100m if im giving nike 200m. I dont have to do it directly and sponser city if i have money. In fact i could go through 100 middle men.

I think you will find Liverpool were a small club wallowing in the 2nd for years until Littlewods gave then vast amounts of money to buy players who normally would be !st div players and not bottom of second div.players

@@johnmccadden9963 I think you are talking about Wycombe Wanderers. City have spent almost 100 years in the top division of English football, won FA Cups and been the old first division champions

Small club who can't fill their council owned stadium 😂

Jordan here, is a classic case of "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit'.

Simon despises city because the owners are from the middle east. His prejudice is not hidden. He is very jealous and emotional hence almost crying at the end after his humiliation.

Well said.

You seem to think the 115 charges are each unique, that's wrong. There are basically 4-5 chargers that are multipled over the period EPL have investigate the club (2009 to 2018) and multipled again by being a breach of both EPL and UEFA laws, then you have about 30 charges based on City failure to cooperate with the investigation in the period (2019-2023). The problem is that the case was made public with all it's many charges without EPL seemingly having done any actual work in the 4 years it took them "investigating". No new evidence have been made public (most are still based on the UEFA-case that UEFA lost against City), and as a fact we know they have not been in contact with the key people named in the case, like Mancini. This case shows the ineptitude of EPL. The case should never have been brought forward without new solid evidence, but was likely just rushed just as a sign of strenght in the face of a possible new independent regulator which may take their power away. It seems silly writing the case was rushed after 4 years investigation, but looking at the case and the facts we know, it just can't be explained in other words. You can't expect to present serious criminal chargers (these aren't just about breaking football rules, these are criminal chargers as cooking the books, tax evasion, collusion etc) and then not having done any serious leg work in gathering evidence and taking statements of the involved parties.

@@axels9179 Some good points. I think there are 5 major groups which will focus the mind of the tribunal. However, it's still true that accounts and evidence will have to be looked at and countered for each and every one of the allegations if the PL still decide to contest them all. City can't allow any to slip through the net. I agree entirely about the PL ineptitude. The Regulator is now on us in short order and so let's hope that they decide to take over. I have no hope that the PL tribunal will be impartial whatever they say.

pettiest*

Simons arguments wouldn't stand strong in a court of law. 😂

​@@MrB831 prettiest sounds much better (funnier)

The "it's all public information" retort was brutal

Not the first time. The last time was when Stefan was on the show as well😂

@@soundzu8038 And every time Eddie Hearn is on

The biggest issue is people are expected to believe they have gone from the Dog and Duck to a turnover bigger than Real Madrid Barcelona etc in less than a decade without any skullduggery.

@@andychatt23 As a fan of a non legacy club. I find it hard to care. I feel like you have to 'cheat' the current rules to get up to the level of the top clubs, after that, it becomes a lot simpler to run it sustainably. The rules are there to maintain the status quo and it seems like the turnover rules coming in will just firmly set a clubs level in stone. If I thought FFP was anything to do with giving a **** about clubs and their future, I might have a different opinion.

Were talking much bigger things here...

What a bizarre argument. If somebody is filming their neighbour and they see them kill their wife, should the evidence be ignored due to how it was obtained? City are as guilty as guilty can be, and this prat gets wielded out every time to defend his murderous overlords.

- LiVARpool caught Hacking - LiVARpool not deemed Cheats - City found Not Guilty in Court - City are deemed Cheats?🤣

@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings your lack of understanding is staggering. Hope you are OK.

@@james_44 Dont talk utter nonsense.

How will it get settled in City’s favour? They have cheated, lied and obstructed any attempt at getting the truth for years! They’ve created company’s from nothing to inflate their finance (see x8 bet) they have given staff salary in other forms, they have inflated sponsorship deals, they have given inaccurate financial reports for 10 years! Man City should have all their titles stripped and be relegated to the conference immediately, but they have refused to cooperate with investigations 36 times so we’re going to have to wait a few more years.

Yep can't wait for the melt down the rehab clinic will be booked up.

Worry about filling your stadium first

All of it wont be in City's favour. Some of those charges are for not cooperating with the investigation which is pretty cut and dry.

@@MrWiggz69 That’s a fine, worse case scenario. As Stefan has said and even Jordan there was back tracking on the cooperation side of things - if you are accused of fraud you ain’t just gonna jump through hoops. Anyway, we will all see how it plays out but the longer it goes and more you hear, doesn’t seem to be much confidence that anything is gonna come from these charges.

Leverage buyout pre dates the rules , and those buyouts are now banned.