Sinking a Japanese Sub | Operation Pacific | Warner Classics 

Your grandad was a 'real' sailor, especially if he served aboard ship in WW2.

@Breckyn Thomas My Aunt told me my Grand Dad was a mechanic.

@Breckyn Thomas I’ll check it out

My father was in the Navy back in 1943 serving in the South Pacific he was 19 years old back then.

Just looked Martin Milner up on the IMDb app & this was his 9th acting credits.

hahahahaa

Should have just used a slide whistle sound.

Martin Milner said he was always glad to have steady work throughout his life and never cared for all the Hollywood glitz. I even saw him in an old Twilight Zone episode.

he was in mr roberts

112 acting credits according to the IMDb app.

@@bignorbert1136 Anyone over 28 years old was classified "1-H" and not eligible to be drafted. John Wayne was 35 years old when Pearl Harbor was bombed. That is NOT being a draft dodger. (Google 'World War Two Selective Service' if you would like confirmation.)

@@tomjustis7237 Clark Gable was over forty when he got into the Army Air Corps to photograph aerial battles (and occasionally man machine guns on bombers). The thing is Wayne made a career out of being an "American hero" when in real life he was called a draft dodger by men in uniform during WWII. He even filed for 3-A deferment because he was the "sole earner for a family of four," nevermind that at the time he was carrying out an affair with Marlene Dietrich.

It is interesting that the event that Ward Bond depicted actually happened.

@@hoodoo2001 ..

Even the crew. Perfectly clean, perfect fresh haircut. Ready for inspection at any time.

I'm no expert but I've had an academic interest in submarine warfare for 50 years. You're right they are presented 'clean'. However out of all of the submarine navies of wwii the US submarines had the best habitability and living conditions for the crew. They had air conditioning. Most men had their own bunks so there was less hot bunking compared to other navies. The US boats even had a shower for the crew.

Glad we don't have "smell-o-vision."

I like how they address the problems with the Mark-14 torpedo. Problems that should have been solved in the 1930's. Thanks former under secretary of the navy, FDR. Of the first 100 combat torpedo launches in the opening days of WW2, 97 failed to function as designed. Putting all those 'crews' & subs at risk for NOTHING! Semper Fidelis America. Great movie.

@@MichaelWilliams-mo1vv Beat me to this comment in a better manner .

@Daniel Stetson Campbell lived to be 88, but you always think of him as the likeable young no.2 in stuff like "Cannonball" from '50s t.v..

Niz Loc that’s funny, I used to watch this movie with my grandparents! I’m only 18 but I’m glad I was able to be exposed to these movies. It’s like a time machine and can give you at least a little bit of an idea as to how the Second World War was like.

@@commondirtbagz7130 these old movies are campy by todays standards, and pretty much propaganda to be honest. But, like you said, nice little time capsule. Theyre cool to watch to look at how different everything used to be. How thin people were, how they talked, etc etc. And best (to me], no CGI. Some of the best airplane movies came from back then, because it was all real footage.

Niz Loc I one hundred percent agree with everything you’ve said. But still you gotta admit, these movies have their charisma.

@@commondirtbagz7130 they absolutely do!

Niz Loc and that’s why they’ll forever be classics. I’ll have to make sure to show my kids these some day if I ever get the chance.

I once read an interview with Martin Milner, who tells of how he was called in to the studio for what he thought would be an audition for this part. Turns out John Wayne had already specifically asked for him, and in fact combined two separate characters into the character of Mr. Caldwell to give him more lines.

You're thinking of run silent, run deep 1958

Clark Gable and Burt Lancaster

But Lancaster & Clark Gable never made a bad movie. Especially a war flick.

saw him right off

For the Duke they just made bigger subs...

You might as well try to imagine him in a uniform actually doing some real fighting, fat chance that that would ever have happened.

He was 34 and had 4 kids when the US entered WWII.

@@olderthanyoucali8512 Really? What have you done hero? How many nights have you spent in actual combat or even deployed? Not all are able to serve and then there are those that haven't served in uniform that still contributed in their own way. You little people who talk all this shit are probably still in your parent's house free loading off their good graces and bank accounts, not having accomplished a damn thing in your pathetic lives.

​@@olderthanyoucali8512The guy took a massive pay cut to make all those cheap propaganda movies. And thirty four years old he was too old to fight in the war.

Made in 1951 with Patricia Neal. What is interesting, and today's historic/movie critics of the movie do not realize is that all the incidents the sub had actually happened, only with different subs at different times. Also Patricia Neal wrote in her autobiography that at that time, her and John did not particularly like one another and she did not think he was much of an actor. However, by the time she made IN HARMS WAY with him, she had come to like him and they became friends.

The only thing John Wayne ever sunk was a bottle of Bourbon.

@@markbeaudry2469 he fought hard to avoid serving in WW2 and than makes movies about serving in WW2.

Koloth !

@@BELCAN57 @Boppinabe William Campbell, General Trelane, Retired. The Squire of Gothos and Koloth

It’s a member of the Q Continuum! Trelane!

Wayne spent much of his life attacking the patriotism of people who actually served in combat because their politics weren't right-wing enough for his tastes. He was a poseur of the worst sort.

@Doug Bevins You are so full of crap! The only thing you got right in your comment was that he liked to drink. Of course by your comment you probably like to smoke grass or inbibe in some other drug.

That’s why the malcontents dislike him so much.

@Doug Bevins Pretty good. What service did you join after 9/11? Also, how many of contemporary actors volunteered to go into the services after 9/11? How much service time did Tom Hanks serve? How about Sylvester Stallone?

@@silentotto5099 My brother spent WW2 on a submarine destroyer. He never had a single good thing to say about JW, a phony who talked big in the movies and bad mouthed people who actually had to play the game, because his politics were different. Like trump.

That's the harsh reality of war.

@@chpman2013 Have you ever been there? Have you ever seen the Elephant?

@@rancidpitts8243 No, and I don't have to be.

@@chpman2013 Then you are taking someone else's word for it.

Leave Martin Milner alone u bully!

The dick? The dog? The dodger? the Dud?

@@philpryor7524 Duck..? It can't have been easy being The Duck...

Your right, they make 'garbage'! JW movie will stand up to 1,000 of today's product!

If you want a good modern made war movie, you need to check out T-34. Very gritty.

One Adam Twelve, one Adam twelve, see the man.

Also the 1960 film "Thirteen Ghosts".

Trumbo was full of it, most of Hollywood's actors never were never in actual combat, some did before they became actors. Most were in uniform in the Hollywood army.

AFAIK, only a few established actors served in combat. Jimmy Stewart was disillusioned with Hollywood and enlisted before Pearl Harbor, and Clark Gable was despondent over the death of his wife in a plane crash. David Niven was a professional military officer before going to Hollywood, and returned to England to fight.

Nine or so years later, he'd be cruising around Route 66 in a beautiful Corvette convertible ...

Tonetwisters After that he’d be working for the LAPD.

You should read the book by John Wayne's widow Pillar Wayne. He was heavily conflicted by not being able to serve in uniform.

2:43

James Stewart, I believe, had 20 combat missions to his credit in B-24 Liberators. Other actors who wore the uniform included Robert Taylor (Navy), Clark Gable (Army Air Force), Tyrone Powers (Marines), Henry Fonda (Navy), Aldo Ray (Navy). . . .

Wayne was good at making himself wealthy while men like my relatives were fighting and dying for a few dollars a month.

@@almirria6753 I read her book, she spoke about his supposedly bad knee, that apparently never kept him from his movie making. His turmoil was from guilt of his fake injury and draft deferment bought by the Hollywood studios

Hey Fred, your right. By at least one or two degrees. The only time I ever took a bearing was through the Nautilus periscope at the Groton Connecticut display. And I was aiming at my truck out in the parking lot. And I didn't leed it by two degrees. The truck is ok. No torpedoes left. So after I just got in and drove away. I was able to hold my camera up to the eye piece and got one unique looking picture. * Peace Out, *

To quote Harrison Ford: "It's not that kind of movie, kid..."

Bill Huber and route 66

Swiss Family Robinson with Hellen Hunt and Cameron Mitchel

MARTIN MILNER WAS ONLY 20 YEARS OLD THEN AND A VOICE LIKE A 13 YEAR OLD GOING THRU PUBERTY.

@James Henderson whaaaaaaat!!!!! you never heard of route 66? adam-12? were you freezed dryed or doing hard time.

They cut off the clip before Duke smiled and gave him a wink.

He gave that eye to Reed when Reed was a rookie cop

ClassicGunsToday ClassicGunsToday , he sure did!

Almost blowed a hole in his soul!! lol

Milner

I know I missed spell is last name me bad

@Umanfly Wasn't for the vets then because they'd know otherwise.

@@alainarchambault2331 Those 'seen it all' vets would have sneered at Wayne and his celluloid heroics, that's if they'd had any sense.

@pierusofpellaI'm surprised at his mention of German torpedoes. In general, we've all heard of the Japanese Longlance. He could be right regarding the training, the Japanese subs didn't seem to have earned any kind of reputation. Yet the American subs proved stellar despite having the worst torpedo. Gato class submarines broke the mold against their contemporary counterparts being the first fleet subs with Air Conditioning. Easier to look immaculate when the place isn't dripping with condensed sweat and breath.

@pierusofpella and they had ice cream! No such luxury on Brit subs then.😀

He served. Everyone of these types of movies was done in service to this country. Not traditional service, but service to country nonetheless. I wish we had more Hollywood types that loved and served this country as much as John Wayne did.

Yeah right,.... and Trump qualifies to receive a purple heart because his feelings got hurt so many times while "serving" his country as POTUS. ^^

@@fatdad64able I thought we were talking about John Wayne. Seems to me that you are the one with hurt feelings and an axe to grind, which make you boring to me. Buh bye.

@@coppers615 You came up with the same lame excuses for the Duke. It was too obvious. Sorry if truth hurt ya. Greetings from Germany.

​@@fatdad64ableYawn. Tge usual bullshit from a bitter loser. With only a few exceptions, ESTABLISHED Hollywood stars made propaganda films or participated in War Bond drives. Jimmy Stewart was considering leaving Hollywood and enlisted BEFORE the war. Clark Gable was despondent over the death of his wife and enlisted in the hopes of dying.

I know that too. My father a WWII and Korean War Navy vet would always tell me and my brothers and sisters, there is no such number as Oh. My high school auto shop teacher a Vietnam Navy Vet in the 60s would tell us the same thing if we said it in shop.

Civilian scriptwriters. Maybe also, if the tech advisor was a Navy man, he didn't want to give too much away.

Martin Milner...later in route 66 and Adam 12...police drama

Martin Milner...later in route 66 and Adam 12...police drama

Yep and you would also never raise your periscope after ordering the helm to flank speed and then take a bearing and range data for a target solution at that speed.

CARLOS A. SANCHEZ probably would have yelled bonsai! In unison with his men on the helm....maybe later he would have reflected on the humanity of it. I personally read of a Japanese sub commender who while looking through the periscope at people lounging on the beach at San Francisco on a beautiful day wished he could join them...

This movie even felt with the torpedo scandal

@@jamesricker3997 Also, the other incidents, such as helping the kids, being in the middle of the Jap fleet, etc; actually did happen to other subs.

It was and still is one of my favorites, since I lived at Mare Island in the late 50s and early 60s and a lot of the scenes show it. Also, after I read Admiral Lockwood's commander of the Sub forces, I found out all the incidents that happened to the Thunder, were actual incidents that were all rolled up into one movie on one boat.

do you have the series 'VICTORY AT SEA in your collection?? i do i accuired it at Christmas i remember both this film and the Victory At Sea series as a kid

@@williammoses6232 Yes I do, plus I watch it on you tube and I have the Music CD. I watched the series as a kid with my father, a WWII Navy Vet, back in the 50s and 60s.

We have some blockheads living amongst us y'know.

@@raybin6873 AINT THAT THE TRUTH LOL

Right, oh so right. Their but for the grace of god go I. We could have been on the other end off that torpedo son.

They started it.

@@alaskanharleyman7468 No they didn't - it was Great Britain PM Neville Chamberlain who declared war on Germany in Sept 1939. Get your history facts right.

"Evaded". He was 34 and a father of 4 when we entered the war. He was listed 3-A.

I would like to add a couple of points to your comments. At the time of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, Wayne was almost thirty five years old. He was also the father of four children. In 1942. Less than a year later in early December 1942 Presidential executive order 9279 severely restricted voluntary enlistment of men 18 to 37 in order to preserve the nations workforce for war time production. Lastly, the movie studios wielded tremendous political influence in keeping stars out of the service. Most who served were younger men without families. Even some who did serve heroically, such as Jimmy Stewart had to fight to be allowed to serve. Stewart was several years younger than Wayne, unmarried with no children, and he was a trained pilot. I served in the Airborne Infantry years later, but I hold no ill will toward Wayne for not serving and I love his movies.

Man..what's next? You gonna question whether our Mountains are purple & full of majesty? Yeesh...

No, ordered all tubes prepared not fired. Also, depends on the sea state...hard to see a periscope in the real world.

Early in WW2 US Mk. 14 torpedoes were so bad it would have taken 6 torpedoes just to get 1 kill !

@@4thstooge75 6 Torpedoes to get a kill if you were extraordinarily lucky... Thanks Bureau of Ordnance. These torpedoes began production in the 20s, and between then and 1941, there was not a single live fire test of the weapon system, and when reports came back from frustrated sub commanders, the bureau refused to accept that anything could possibly be wrong with their weapons. Clearly the captains weren't using them properly... Took action from the Chief of Naval Operations to get them to do anything about it.

"Das Boot" is in fact a very realistic depiction of what life was like on board a German U-boat in WWII, but it in no way can be used as an example of what life was like on board a US Navy submarine during the same time period. Sure, the conditions weren't as nice and clean as shown in this movie, but they were a far cry from being the same as on a U-boat, too. Neither a fair nor valid comparison.

The crew were barely 40-50 men, not 100. In a German sub, less than 50.

@@PauloPereira-jj4jv Thanks, I was taking a wild guess. :)

An actor, actually. Fought his way savagely from one movie set to the next.

As an American fighting man with combat experience I approve of the Dukes portrayal of my kind

Entertained the troops in war zone's for years and, when he was in the Pacific during WWII where an old high School buddy was a battalion commander, grabbed an M-1 and joined an assault on a Japanese position according to a recent biography. (Which I'm sure he was glad only came out after he died and did not become generally known to his wife and kids, Republic Studios, his agent or his insurance carrier.).

...As far as perpetuating the bull$hit American war machine ..... ewwwwww - But he had this 'perfect' voice ...... I'm half deaf; but i can always hear what he is communicating....

There is no such American war machine so stop spreading that lie

My great uncle was 6'-1" or 6'-2" and he was an MM1 on a diesel sub named the USS Saury in WW2...so...no. 5'-5" was not a limit.

My dad had the same look :) You knew you better stop what ever you were doing!

Not every man can pull it off.

I only took. In consideration his work contribution as a whole to the nation & he committed him self to achieved just that because he love his country he possesses this love for what his country stand in the world of freedom , way of life e t c.now as far as have occurred right wing political attacks that in my opinion is his personal business & it's not of my concerned but you must look at it in this way that at the end actually society judged him for his contribution to the nation & received his highest decoration for his service which in my opinion is an insight of his quality which again at the end beats everything .

He was rejected for military service due to a horrific injury he received in his youth.

Right! After all, there's lots of places to lose them on a submarine...

Andy Werner duh 🙄....

He’s saying don’t gloat over killing other people.

@James Henderson if you say so...however thst "liberal" joined thd navy at age 18 n saw combat

@James Henderson seems to me those fsr left libs who served n/or were in combat earned their political leanings thd hard way

@James Henderson but since we aint a meritocracy(far from it), everyone is still entitled to their political leanings, right wing, left wing or the valiant center...

@James Henderson bad karma to wish ill on others, even opponents

Gable was older then Wayne as Gable was born in 1901 and he enlisted after the death of his wife Carole Lombard in a plane crash. Stewart was a year younger then Wayne and he was drafted. Henry Fonda served as well and he enlisted and was born in 1905

B-17s. And Gable was an air gunner, not a pilot. He and his cameraman both enlisted, then volunteered for Aerial Gunnery School. When they qualified, they went to England to shoot a training film in real combat with the Eighth Air Force.

Good info...thanks for those details...Wayne ducked active service.

@@HootOwl513 actually Stewart flew the B-24 into combat.

@paulmiddleton4215 Maybe he flew both? I thought I read somewhere Stewart ran bomb missions in B-25s, but that could be some Hwood press agent filling copy. Wasn't there. Can't swear.