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This accident got me to be pretty scare of roll-on/roll-off ferry, whenever I got on one, I always make sure to find where is life raft and sit in the top deck if I can. They don't close the doors on some ferry lines in my country, ship just cross the sea with doors wide open, as most of the time, Gulf of Thailand is mostly calm, but still, I find this to be very reckless.
The thing that made it a nightmare was when the ship listed, hallways became cliff, stairwell became maze, people trapped had no ways to escape without getting in deadly cold water.
It's very easy for people who don't remember this terrible accident to say let's move on and that's it. I remember that day and I can never say let's just move on and leave it at that. Yes, we can't bring back those drowned people, but the people who escaped or whose dear loved ones perished can't forget it for the rest of their lives. I think they should retain the right to find out what happened...
I don't understand why they didn't salvage the ship, it's only 90 meters deep. no, we're going to bury the ship with stones and not get to the bottom of what happened, so you wonder what it is they don't want us to know.
The ship is huge. It's made from steel and it's full of water. It weights so much that even if there was some apparatus that could lift it, it's impossible to get it to the surface in one piece. It would break appart. It's long way away from any dock. How would they transport it? It's not going to float. And why? We know where it is and we know why it sank. People can dive there if they need to (and apparently they do and in the process get new investigations started and waste millions of taxpayers money). Also: the ship is a grave for over 700 people. It's not some toy that can just be picked up from the bottom of a pool for someone's ammusement. There are people's remains inside. If one would try to get it back to surface, what would they do with all the parts that used to be someone's loved one?
@@GaviaArctica382 now it is too late to be able to lift it and many wanted their relatives back + know the truth that the government wants to keep behind the residents.
Yeah, the 1986 murder was solved, but the 1987 case is still open. A Danish citizen was charged for it a few years ago, but it did not hold up in court. And apparently, a man was also caught dumping his wife's body off the ship, but the murder itself had occurred on land.
It wasn't only the mass of water ingressing the car deck, undoubtedly still begin huge. As the car deck was basically one open space, even small forces can lead to the water moving around (the free surface effect). This is what eventually lead to the initial list, which with more water coming in became a runaway process getting worse and worse.
For all who cares, our accident investigation bureau(OTKES) has relesead the whole report, with all the photos and interviews down to build of the ship .
30 years ago at this morning my mother woke me up. this was only thing she said. estonia sunk. i was 11 at the time. noone close to us died there. yet, she found that somehow so bad to wake me up for that. i can't remember anything from tv or elsewhere. tho i remember collapse of soviet union at 1991 perfectly. but i do remember that day now
Thanks, it's a nice summary of the accident and the investigations. Interestingly I don't remember the accident. I was 5 years and 9 months old. Many of my classmates remember the evening that they saw the news (our most important TV news ran at 9PM every day). It's really hard to be sure what happened so many years ago, especially as we don't have video evidence. Sometimes I think that people should make peace with what has happened. It has been 30 years, plenty of time to grieve. For your own sanity, let it go, don't live in the past. A small grammatical suggestion: in Estonian it's correct to say "Mis juhtus LäänemereL". It was a ship, it sailed ON the sea, not in the sea.
I was 7 years old and was told at school that there were students who had lost their parents when we were on break. i only saw pictures in the magazine near the stove.
The problem remains that no expert can answer from the Swedish/Finnish maritime commission about why MS Estonia took in water under the car tires? There are several things that are also very scary about this case! It emerged in 2004 that Estonia was transporting military equipment under the Swedish flag, which was tried to be blacked out. Then there are a number of witnesses who survived Estonia who heard loud bangs on the boat, and screeching noises that were loud for several minutes before estonia start to sink. Is there quite a lot of information that is strange? which the ocean commission has tried to obscure.
Its time to left ship and fallen victims alone and in peace. You cant bring them back. Its time to move on. Military equipment transport nowadays in ferryes to, its not something new and not cause of accident. Clearly poor maintaining, bad loading, center of gravity is off. And Coincidences of circumstances it just happent, visor failed. Visor experience lot of stress, specialy in rough waves. And if center of gravity is off, then it can happen.
Bullshit. Visor is not preventing the water coming inside. Ramp is for that. AND the ramp is high above water. Second, ramp can be opened only by humans. Waves can not do it any ways.
The official investigation was full of total lies. I am the lecturer on ship mechanics in Estonian Naval School and I know something. The visor can be lift and removed BUT the visor is NOT connected with the front ramp and the ramp is holding the water outside, not visor. Ramp can be opened ONLY by humans and no way some waves can open the ramp. The ramp was actually pretty much closed during the disaster but it was a little bit open, aside. NOT totally open like the official report says -- it was a total lie. More gaps. The bridge was almost totally silent during the disaster. Absence of pan pan signal at the beginning of the troubles was very strange. No signal for exit the passangers. Very strange. Official report does not mention this. Were officers dead, killed, executed?
You say bow ramp was never fully open, funny that they found a railing from a part of the bow ramp about half a kilometer from the wreck, no signs of sabotage. This is strong evidence that the visor tore the ramp fully open. Official report still stands up to critical scrutiny and with the new investigations, not a single point has emerged why the official report should be questioned
@luigifer973 all the witnesses who saw and even climbed down the ramp saw the ramp was closed , ALL the divers saw the ramp was closed. Do you understand how the ramp is working? It is opened and closed with the hydraulic system which needs electric power to work at all. It does NOT open without the power, there is no mechanism for free opening. The same hydraulic system holds the ramp closed. Someone has to push the button to switch on the electric power to open the ramp. Understand? No other power can open the ramp otherwise than cutting all the hings and links. Understand? And otherwise, if the ramp was open during the sinking, then it was just impossible to close it without electric power. Some years ago the divers discovered that the ramp was dropped off. It was just CUT off by someone, by some unknown specialists. The can not be other reason.
@@luigifer973@luigifer973 all the witnesses who saw and even climbed down the ramp say the ramp was closed , ALL the divers saw the ramp was closed. Do you understand how the ramp is working? It is opened and closed with the hydraulic system which needs electric power to work at all. It does NOT open without the power, there is no mechanism for free opening. The same hydraulic system holds the ramp closed. Someone has to push the button to switch on the electric power to open the ramp. Understand? No other power can open the ramp otherwise than cutting all the hings and links. Understand? And otherwise, if the ramp was open during the sinking, then it was just impossible to close it without electric power. Some years ago the divers discovered that the ramp was dropped off. It was just CUT off by someone, by some unknown specialists. The can not be other reason.
Mayday was sent by unknown crew members. It was said that they were the helmsmen/navigators but they did not speak english well and they did not know the location of the ship at once and they had to check it from the map. The navigators should know the location of ship every minute.
