Great solution none of these pocket cruiser under 18 feet have much room but i guess what i've always liked about the Siren 17 is that front window - yeah i can't call it a port window maybe a deck window but to me it make the cabin look bigger . again a great job on the cushion solution and gave you both a good berth for sleeping with a little left for foot space. back in the 80's -90's i had a RK21 (most will say what ) but on the lines of a Catalina 22 maybe than moved down to a 18 foot can't remember the name but more of a flat deck with a cabin and a shoal keel yeah i wish i had bought a Siren 17 instead . now almost 30 years later i got the bug for a sailboat again - it must go in cycles 🤔
@@siren17 yes, she's 24 ft, but a cabin not much bigger than yours, but the space under the table needs an infill as you have made, so thanks again for the ideas.
I currently have a Precision 18 which I love sailing in the Great Lakes regions but this Siren looks like a pretty cool trailer sailor also! My next boat will be a Montgomery 17 if I can find one!
Precision 18 looks nice. A bit harder to trailer and launch because of the higher draft but much more ballast than the Siren 17 thus, more forgiving. The Siren 17 is definitely on a tender side.
Would you say the Siren 17 is a good beginner sailboat? Could you potentially use it with just a small outmotor if theres no wind or you dont feel like sailing on a specific day?
Yes it is a great beginner boat. The keel locking system is a bit complicated to use but most of the time, you don’t really need to lock it unless there are serious risk to capsize. Also, running a small ICE outboard motor is noisy and gets annoying. You may want to look at an electric alternative.
Clever thinking! I want to ask if it's possible in your mind to travel the world and cross oceans on a boat this size? I love the Siren 17 and I've been thinking about building a wooden boat roughly the same size, but a lot of my friends and family don't think it's possible to cross oceans and weather storms on a boat this size. I'm curious to hear your opinion, if you care to share it.
Hi Martin, thanks for watching. So a big NO on the Siren as a blue water boat and cross oceans. This is a lightly ballasted boat strictly for coastal cruising. You can do long passages on a small boat but I would definitely pickup something above 20’, more like a Cape Dory 25. you want a well rounded boat with lots of ballast to stay up right in rough seas. Good luck!
@@siren17 So a big no to the Siren, but what if it had a much thicker hull and the same ballast-to-displacement ratio as the bigger blue water cruisers? I'm having trouble understanding why the length matters.
@@Verradonairun It's not so much the length, people have circumnavigated with small boats but those boats were really seaworthy, strong and a designed that was heavily ballasted. Some good read for you here... www.bwsailing.com/pocket-cruisers-that-sail-far/ www.bwsailing.com/pocket-cruisers-that-sail-far/ No way you can modified a Siren to make her seaworthy and fit for blue water. And you probably want to look at boats in the 25-30' range.
@@siren17 Thank you so much for the article. It states quite interestingly (at the very end of the article) that an American, Webb Chiles, completed a circumnavigation with an 18-foot Drascome Lugger. This sounds especially insane, since it goes on to mention that this boat was "open", which I assume means without a deck to prevent flooding. I may be crazy, but maybe not as crazy as this gentleman! Anyways, thank you very much for taking the time and effort to answer my question and I look forward to watching more of your content. Cheers!
@@Verradonairun Yes, that guy in the 18-footer is the exception to the rule. I mean, if you have 100 people try this, I think the great majority if any would not make it around the world and most of them would likely perish...
