SLAVIC: OLD CHURCH SLAVONIC & RUSSIAN 

I'm 99% certain that the Lord's Prayer in Old Church Slavonic was read by a Czech native speaker.

Actually, that hook under the letter "e" in the Old Church Slavonic word for five, "peti" indicates a nasal sound, which Polish still retains.

Prayer in Church Slavonic is closer to me than in Russian. I'm Russian. Prayer in Russian sounds strange 😅. The Russian Church uses OCS. I love Old Church Slavonic

The so called "Old Church Slavonic" version of the Lord's Prayer is in fact, in best case, Church Slavonic as it used to be several centuries later. The nasals are already read as "u" and "ya", instead of ǫ and ę. The yat' has turned into "i", instead of æ. And the yers are already disappeared - for example дьньсь, which in OCS should be pronounced similar to [dɪnɪsɪ], while the form "dnes" is a result of so called strong yers merging with other vowels, and weak ones disappearing. I do agree with other comments, that most probably it's the Church Slavonic from the Czech area and read by a Czech speaker.

Люблю церковнославянский язык Раньше на богослужениях очень часто читал на нём разные молитвы, псалмы и библейские сюжеты, естественно с наиболее русским (мягким) произношением многих согласных😊

As a serbo-croatian speaker, Old-Church slavonic, being a south slavic language is very easy for me to understand

hey andi, I've really been loving the recent videos on slavic languages :D I was wondering if you could make a video comparing old church slavonic to interslavic, seems like that would be pretty cool.

Wow, that's WONDERFULL ! 🤩🤩🤩

Old Church Slavonic - the closest language to my language, Bulgarian 🇧🇬

Отче наш тут читается на церковнославянском какого-то из восточнославянских изводов, точнее не скажу, но не на старославянском, а числительные не сохраняют такие фонетические особенности как смешение редуцированных и произношение носовых. А ещё не три не «trĭ», а «tri», в четвёрке сжёван ы. Ещё в субтитрах не «отъ лукаваго», а «отъ нєприязни».

Thanks did not know about Qld church Slavonic.

first!! btw i love your videossss

There's an error at 1:13 The Cyrillic text for Old Church Slavonic says "neprijazni", but the Latin text and the voice says "lukavaho".

I think it will be a great idea to make video about Old East Slavic (Old Russian)

oh my god the prayer takes me back to church 😭

In Russia, nobody can properly speak Old Church Slavonic. As the matter of fact, this language was and is being used for church purposes only.

Ask Mikitko syn Alekseev to read something in OCS, the result will be different and closer the actual OCS

You should add Old Russian. It is much more closer to the Old Church Slavonic.

"Old Church Slavonic" that was read like a completely different language. No nasals, no short half vowels ь, ъ; I do not know what it was, but it surely wasn't OCS. Why couldn't you find somebody who actually knows the language.

The Lord's Prayer in church-slavonic (in Russian Orthodox Churches): rus.cyrillic script: Отче наш, Иже еси на небесе́х! Да святится имя Твое, да прии́дет Царствие Твое, да будет воля Твоя, яко на небеси́ и на земли́. Хлеб наш насущный да́ждь нам дне́сь; и оста́ви нам до́лги наша, якоже и мы оставляем должнико́м нашим; и не введи нас во искушение, но изба́ви нас от лукаваго. Яко Твое есть Царство и сила, и слава, Отца, и Сына, и Святаго Духа, ныне и присно, и во веки веков. Аминь. lat.script with right pronounce: Otche nash, Eezhe yesi na n'eb'es'ekh! Da sv'atits'a im'a Tvoye, da preed'et Tsarstvie Tvoye, da bud'et vol'a Tvoya, yako na n'eb'esi ee na z'emlee. Khl'eb nash nasushchniy dazhd' nam dn'es'; ee ostavi nam dolghi nasha, yakozhe ee mi ostavl'ayem dolzhnikom nashim; ee n'e vvedee nas vo iskusheniye, no izbavi nas ot lukavogho. Yako Tvoye yest' Tsarstvo ee seela, ee slava, Otsa, ee Sina, ee Sv'atagho Dukha, neen'e ee prisno, ee vo v'eki v'ekov. Amin'.

From what I have studied, I understand that Old Church Slavonic included the nasal vowels ą and ę, which still exist in Polish but which have disappeared in most other Slavic languages. For example OCS imę (name), Polish imię. Where they appear in Polish grammar, there are parallels in Latin, and (from looking up a table) in Sanskrit also. The name Václav seems to have come from Vięnceslav, which came into Latin as Wenceslaus (English Wenceslas).

Sample text in Old Church Slavonic, but sound is just Church Slavonic

the last part is wrong. There is strong controversy between cyrillic and latin. It sounds more like czech without old slavonic special sounds (but we don't know exactly how it must be sound)

As a native Russian speaker, I can certainly say that the Old Church Slavonic text was not read by a Russian speaking person. It was rather strange to listen to it and I've heard a much better pronunciation earlier. Watching this video, I caught a feeling as if my English friend tried to read it to me, so I think if you want to show people how old languages sounded, you should show them some experienced language learners or native speakers of the successor language.

Can you make the yenish language ?

In the last screen the spoken lines in OCS don't match the written text.

For all who didn't know russians prefer do the prayers in old church variant

How close is this to Ukrainian versus modern Russian

You should have a Russian read the Russian text. There were mistakes.

Большинство православных русских молитву "Отче наш" читают именно на церковнославянском. На современном русском её текст не воспринимается как сакральный.

The "yat" at the end of most of the OCS numbers shouldn't be pronounced as "I" sound, but more silent "SCHWA".

0:03 Old Church Slavonic dictionary clearly states pronouncement on i - Е҆ди́нъ

For a Russian-speaking person, the Church Slavonic language is completely understandable, at least in this video

Итак, сегодня я узнала, что существует молитва на современный лад и звучит она паршиво. Хотя это, скорее, синдром утёнка.

this is not the best indicator of similarity, because the words from the prayers were completely taken from the Church Slavonic language, if you really show the difference in these languages, then you need to show some kind of story.

On the last part of the reading, the Old Church Slavonic speaker read the Russian line, not the Slavonic.

Prefer the Russian! Sounds better.

old church slavonic sounds like slovenian..

Old Novgorodian language pls.

Russian is a mix of the Old Novgorodian dialect and southern dialects the amalgamation of which brought to life Central Russian dialects (with leading Moscow dialect) that was influenced by the Old Church Slavonic and became the standard literary form of the language. Old Church Slavonic was the first Slavic literary language, it enriched the Russian language with figurative and expressive means, additional sources for development. “Горячий” is an originally Russian word, an adjective denoting a sign of an object (горячий чай - hot tea) and “горящий” is Church Slavonicism, a participle, denoting rather an action in progress as in горящий факел - a burning torch. Or “текучий” vs. “текущий”. The first one means something fluid/runny as in текучая смесь - a fluid mixture, whereas the second one means something is flowing as in the flowing stream - текущий ручей. Hot and burning, fluid and flowing convey a different semantic load. Due to the influence of Old Bulgarian, there are lexical doubles in the Russian language (curious and peculiar phenomenon): ворота (Russian) - врата (Old Bulgarian), золото - злато, порох - прах, собор - сбор, сторож - страж, голова - глава, etc. Some of them have changed their lexical meaning over the centuries. Like “порох” means gunpowder whereas “прах” means ash. “Собор” means cathedral and “сбор” stands for fundraising/training camp/collection/preparation/gathering (lots of meanings). As a rule, the Russian word refers to the middle/moderate style of speech, and the Old Bulgarian word refers to a higher style, like more literary and sublime version. For example: “ворота дома” - house gates (ordinary style), “врата разума” - gates of the mind (sublime style). Another example: “сторож на смене” - a security guard/a keeper on a shift (ordinary style) whereas the Russian word of Church Slavonic origin “страж” has a sublime sense to it like in “Стражи Галактики” (this is how the famous movie Guardians of the Galaxy is dubbed in Russia). “Голова чешется” - head is itching (simple style) and “глава компании” - head of the company (high style). One more example: “Золотое украшение” - golden jewellery (ordinary style) and “…Там Царь Кощей над златом чахнет…” - “…There King Koshchey languishes over gold…”, a popular phrase in the modern Russian language, used to describe a greedy person, originally from Alexander Pushkin’s epic poem “Ruslan and Ludmila”. Again, the higher the style of the speech, the more clearly the presence of Church Slavonicisms in it. In a day-to-day Russian conversation, the number of Church Slavonicisms drops sharply, but in a journalistic report or in a scientific work there will be plenty of them. At the same time, in the Polish language, for example, the influence of the Church Slavonic language is practically not traced, since Poland adopted Christianity in the Latin rite and subsequently became a Catholic country. Ukrainian and Belarusian also did not experience a significant influence of the Church Slavonic language, since they fell under the influence of Poland and were monstrously Polonized, while Russia, as an independent and flagship part of the former Kievan Rus’, preserved the Old Rus’ traditions of using the Church Slavonic / Old Bulgarian language as a literary language, which inevitably influenced the literary/bookish Russian language, as Latin influenced the English language (up to 70% of the vocabulary of the English language is Latin in origin). Therefore, the Bulgarian language may seem somewhat more understandable than Polish in some cases. In addition, Bulgarians and Russians, unlike Western Slavs (Poles, Czechs, Slovaks), use Cyrillic - the Old Bulgarian alphabet, and not Latin, which is also part of the historical process from which differences and similarities formed languages ​​of the Slavic group.

И остави нам долги наши - и оставь нам долги наши... Перефразировано. В принципе рос. языком можно сказать точно так же.

from serbia old church slavonic easy 80% russian 20% ????

Old Church Slavonic keyboard = best keyboard

'Old Church Slavonic" is what the Russians came up with so they don't have to say "Old Bulgarian"

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0:26 0:38 0:52 0:59 1:10

Slavonic vs Interslavic please

Old Church Slavonic, you mean old Bulgarian ? There was no such thing as "old church slavonic" in medieval times IX - XIV. There was Bulgarian, Serbian, etc. Pitty, there was no Russian at that time.

What in Gods name is this blasphemous flag with the Cross next to a Pagan Slavic Black sun...

Старославянский со страшным английским акцентом. Жесть!

Fun fact: ✅ Vocabulary of the Romanian language used to contain about 40% of the Slavic words, a great deal of which was of the Old Church Slavonic origin. ✅ Romanian started using the Latin script relatively recently (19th century). Before that it used the Cyrillic script, just like Bulgarian, Serbian, Russian etc. ✅ Before 1850s Romanian looked like a creole language, half Slavic half Romance. ✅ But at some point Romanians were like “Let’s get rid of the Slavic vocabulary, replace it with the French loanwords and switch to the Latin script”. And they did. ✅ So Romanian is an artificially created language. ✅ Many linguists believe that the pre-19th century Romanian language was basically Slavic, subjected to Latin influence. ✅ Maybe that’s why other Romance peoples often say that Romanian sounds like a Russian person tries to speak Italian.

Чё?

Дружище, я, как носитель русского, говорю тебе огромное спасибо ❤ очень приятно внимание к моему родному языку 🙏🏻 Немного необычно слышать церковнославянский язык, так как читает явно или серб, или болгарин, то есть носитель какого-то другого языка. В моём исполнении даже молитва "Отче" на церковнославянском звучит со вполне обычной фонетикой. Здесь явно фонетика иная 👌🏻

Чё-то шляпа какая-то

Alas, inconsistent representation of nasals, wrong stress in the word for "four"... This is Church Slavonic, not Old Church Slavonic, as in a register of the language ancestral to modern Bulgarian. The Czech Pater Noster is a joke with its laryngeal "h", especially since Czech Republic used to be Catholic and now is the least religious of all Slavic countries... I adore most of Andy's videos, but this one made me a little angry 😃

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Ахаха, так все-таки хліб. І ця літера означає і, а не е в слові хлеб.

It is naturally. Inter-Slavic language was created on the basis of Church Slavonic. Russian was also created as an adaptation of Church Slavonic to the dialects of Rus' (do not confuse with Russia).

moscowian pop on church slavonic image... srsly? :D

Old Church Slavonic, the cradle of the Macedonian language

I am surprised that I understand old church slavonic pretty well as a Czech, even accent is similar. Russian is Asian language. 😀

Rossian (modern russian) is a mix of old church slavonic and old ukrainian.

Russians are not even Slavic

It would be more natural to listen Church Slavonic recited with a voice of native Bulgarian or Macedonian speaker. Czech language did not used as its basis.