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In southwest Oregon, USA. I have 1400-miles/2250-km on my Patton. I set my first speed alarm at 31-mph/50-kph, tilt-back at 37-mph/60-kph. I ride pavement. I chose the Patton because the community I live in has a 28-mile/45-km paved bike path that suffers from poor surface maintenance. There are more than a dozen places where the asphalt is buckled, cracked, or caved-in by the roots of surrounding trees. And, with the dappled shade of the trees, the damaged places are usually "hit before seen." Large, unexpected bumps are common at speeds in excess of 20-mph/32-kmh. I ride at 200-pounds/90-kilos. My Patton has a street tire and a 66-pound spring with the right shock turned 1-click towards softer. Again, I am at 1400-miles/2250-km on my Patton. Except for snugging screws approximately every 300-miles/480-km or so, no maintenance or repair has been needed for my Patton. Except for the beep for the 31-mph/50-kph speed alarm, my Patton is silent, smooth, dependable and I "love" riding her. (Yes, my wheel is a her and her name is Ella. Ella is enchanted.) ... I rode 30-miles/48-km this evening, just before posting this comment. This evening, my Patton beeped at me for speed 20-or-30 times. That should give you some idea how I ride. I do not consider the beeps a failure or annoying. Those beeps at 31-mph/50-kph are doing exactly what I want them to do. Reminding me to slow down and enjoy the gift of being able to slip into my wheel and fly. ... I looked at the Lynx, but it is not $1000US better than my Patton. ... I, personally, will not have a Begode. Just the other day, Roger-EUC posted a video repairing a Master's motherboard that had caught fire. Begode and "fire" seem to have a long-standing relationship and that scares me. ... Also, I keep a typed note on my Patton that reads, "Start Slow or Over Volt." I occasionally get beeped for braking too hard too early in my ride. But, after 3-or-4-miles/5-or-6-km and for the next 50-miles/80-km, I don't worry about hard braking or hard accelerating. I just fly and my Patton responds to my every whim. ... Finally, for me, I am an ATGATT rider. ATGATT, All the Gear All the Time. For me a short ride is 25-miles/40-km, a usual ride is 36-miles/58/km, and sometimes 58-miles/93-km. (On the 58-mile/93-km rides I usually end up staying under 20-mph/32-kph for the last 10-miles/16-km or so.) In my "personal experience," my battery has never dropped below 20%. ... My first wheel was a King Song 18XL. I made that choice based on one of Wrong Way's videos. I do not regret my 18XL purchase but my Patton is so much more. ... "Duf" of "EUC-Army" fame just posted a video comparison of the Lynx, Patton, and Sherman-S. It is a 3000-mile/4830-km drive from my house to where Duf lives. I have never met him. But, by his videos, I find my riding style ride is similar to his. I agree with Duf's assessment of the 3-wheels. ... Oh! And! If you buy from Ewheels USA, I'm pretty sure you get a full set of free pads with your Patton. I got a set of free pads with mine and use them. Also, I wear a high-topped leather hiking boot for riding. I find the stock pedals work great. So, I am riding my Patton stock, out of the box. Except one-thing. I bought a pair of $7.00US computer mouse wrist pads and Velcro'd them to the side of my Patton to keep my legs away from the suspension's bolt tops.
im kinda surprised to see such a massive difference in your enthusiasm about the ride experience between your first video about the patton and this one. that first video you made really made me think this was ground breaking ride feel for you. i actually bought a patton as upgrade from V11, and i do like it a lot, though i am nowhere near skilled enough to really use it to its potential. I mainly just like that i can comfortably ride at 60+ km/h and the suspension feel is like a cloud
You've done some amazing reviews and this is yet another. It literally overflows with detail and I can really see that you simply bust your ass with great edits and thoughtful comments. When you are on your game like this, you are simply the best reviewer out there (IMHO).
Thank you! Have the patton myself! Always enjoy hearing your thoughts on wheels. You are the one that helped me make the plunge in to euc, so thank you adam!
Another Wrong Way GOAT review ! It's even better than I expected, and I expect a lot from now you Adam 😅You really outperformed yourself on this one. Thank you and bravo ! Now for me it's "the BEST wheel I DON'T need but REALLY want"
Thanks Adam. I'm so relieved that someone finally took into consideration what the wheel was meant for. I'm sick of reviewers focusing on power and range without looking at 'what is this wheel for' IE the 14D is perfect to keep in the car and cruise around town. It's got a tiny battery and motor. That doesn't make it worse than a master pro! It's better at what it's made for. Apologies for the rant.
All I can say is, for me, comparing this review vs your Extreme review, I'm glad I chose the Extreme. It seemed you were having so much more fun sending the Extreme and doing a lot more extreme riding. Good review.
Great review! Love the voice over that matches riding clips. I was shocked to find out my Lynx doesn’t have a kill switch which totally negates the great kickstand cuz I don’t like restarting darkness bot every time I want to take a short break. There’s other nit noys w it but I think you’ll cover them in ur next Lynx review.
Thank you for the great video as always, one tip for easier lifting Veteran's wheels, i like to grab one hand on the front handle and the other on the kickstand to lift the wheel, that makes climbing stairs and putting the euc in the car a lot easier, i'm eager to see the Lynx full review (even if i already have one 😊) Be careful, sometimes the dialog volume gets a lot lower like at 24:19
Great review, Adam! I love my Patton, but I agree that the cost is a bit high. The stock tire is excellent off-road but terrible on the streets. Luckily I received free pads with my purchase from ewheels, but I’ve spent a lot on accessories as well to make mine as perfect as possible. For people comparing the Lynx to the Patton, it’s just about price. The Lynx is of course superior in most ways, but the performance of the Patton is still excellent at a significantly cheaper price.
Love the way you groove up the leaperkim wheels with blasts or color... Looks great... Hope the same style bumpers come out for the lynx soon
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Thank you for the perfect Patton video! After beginning EUC with a V11 and rapidly outgrowing its speed ceiling, I know I will be making a big decision in my future on a next level wheel. I have been comparing the Patton, the Commander Mini, and the Extreme. Trying to all-around, commute, trail ride, joy ride, and get bang for all that buck. Looking at alternatives too. But this is exactly what I will reference when making the decision to study the Patton, and I've already been researching these wheels. Perfect EUC content. I certainly don't mind beginner EUC info being included with all of this detail I need to hear.
Buy the Patton. I love my Patton. 1400-miles with "zero" problems. My first wheel was King Song 18XL without suspension, from RevRides, so the Patton from Ewheels was a pretty big jump. I worked with both Jason and Eric at Ewheels and they sent free pads with the wheel. I ride my wheel stock except for 2-computer mouse wrist pads that I Velcro'd to the top of the wheel to keep my legs away from the bolts at the top of the suspension. Also, I wear high-topped leather hiking boots for riding. I find that the stock pedals give me all the grip I need. I have hit several unexpected bumps at 25-to-30-mph. Between the stock toe-clamp and the stock pedals, my feet have never slipped at all. And, the Patton soaks up the bumps beautifully. Every time I come home from a ride, I must thank my wife a dozen or more times for letting me buy the Patton. (God's truth.) ... Good luck. Good journey.
4 месяца назад
@donj5532 Hey thank you so much for a helpful and thoughtful reply. I will consider that!
Thanks Adam! very detailed review! Next review veteran lynx? I myself have already recorded 2 videos about the Lynx unicycle, but while it’s winter and cold I can’t do a full review
Just subscribed...I'm a noob, and I've never rode on yet. The 1st e-wheel I'm think about getting is Veteran Lynx at 62 lbs suspension being 178lbs.... I am coimg from the one-wheel world have an XR and GT. So I hope the learning curve isn't to bad. Looking forward to learning a lot more by watching your videos.
1:52 EXACTLY WHY IM LOOKING AT GETTING AN EUC,well actualy im buliding one :) no hassle trough doors, had a m365 scooter and i loved it for that fact alone, there is times where i would not want to take my bike, as i have to battle 3 doors to exit the building and i have wide handlebars since its a mtb... but id just take the scoot and go to the store instead of walking , sure i have to carry it to the 4th floor with me ,so its not actually the lazy option nor the easier one (then walking) but its FASTER, and who dosnt like being fast and efficient:D good thing is you can push an euc upstairs :)
Great review, I think you covered it well. The Patton would be at the top of certain categories if not for the Lynx, which seems to do basically everything slightly better (but is more expensive). I'll say that the Patton for me, has been perfect for American city riding. The bike lanes near me are crappy and often it's safer to ride in the street. The streets themselves are often poorly maintained, and the 80mm of good quality suspension does wonders to help maintain control. The torque and the speed help me ride safer in the flow of traffic as well. I wouldn't mind a little more range, but the 40ish miles I can get with relatively quick speeds is more than enough for 95% of my needs. A lynx would be slightly better, but not by too much-- The Patton is a beast overall still and it's an S tier choice if part of your riding forces you to LARP as a car. Also, a bit more about something you touched on: Progressive springs are becoming available! Ewheels has 70lb progressive springs out right now for the patton (these will be too stiff for lighter riders but perfect for me). For $60 this is a relatively cheap upgrade that will make a huge difference. Less bottoming out = less stress on the bolts/frame/internals = less long term maintenance. Plus a better ride all around ofc. Lastly, I think all Pattons ordered through established retailers came with power pads. These pads even have some customization that helps them fit around the raised plastic edges of the front/real bumpers. They actually are great pads, much better than the stock ones that begode's included on their wheels. I agree that a seat would be very nice though!
The Paton is my 7th wheel and the first one I have never had to do any maintenance on in the first 500km of hard off road riding. It’s not one I will ever jump, the S22 is king of that Song, but the Paton is awesome in every other area, I have no issues with the pedals or anything else you mentioned. MyPatton is a batch 1 and no issues My S22 is batch 1, blown controller My T4 is batch 1, blown controller, blown charge board, blown motor My V12 was batch 1, replaced control board (waited 9 months for replacement) My V11’s blown shocks My V8 no issues
Hahaha this is exactly right! I think of the Patton the same as I did with the 18xl. A perfect wheel. An all-around excellent wheel, that I would like to have if I find it on a deal. Buti wouldn't go buy full price
Like owner paton 66lbs fully agree. I never ride in rain/wet i not jump extremly and my unit is after 1500+ Km like new no vibration nothing lose at all. About convinience fully agree i own ks16x for city and patton for hill fun riders and my original sherman for long seated rides. I buy patton like ubgrade form my loved MSP HT.
Rain, snow, salt kills bearings very fast. Mine was broken at 1200km. Now with quality SKF bearings and enough good grease around i feel more watterproof
13:31 installed same tire - don't like it: train effect, catches every lateral incline (which can cause wobble) and requires lots of effort in turns (because it tends to stay vertical like Z10). Very grippy though, and quiet.
i got the patton as my first wheel in december, have about 1000 miles on it, works really well, use it for nyc riding and deliveries. Def happy with it, not sure why you mention smart bms, is this one not smart? Or is that the feature only if you are really pushing it hard that you have to worry about?
9:27 I had this problem because i installed badly the suspension back, it was a little bit lose on a bottom between the suspension and the holder on a motor that holds the suspension
As a recent buyer of a Patton (coming from a 16x) I'm a bit concerned about the amount of stuff that has to be purchased aftermarket or will need to be worked on in the future. I have to keep in mind however that your wheel was a first batch(?) and I'm sorta praying that I don't encounter half of the issues you documented as I don't push my wheel not nearly as hard as you do in your thorough testing of new wheels. Great content!
I've tried a Patton on the stock setup with a slight leg support added, but not proper powerpads, I'm not super experience but neighter the owner or I had a problem with anything, the pedals weren't slippy at all, and that was when my shoes were packed full of snow and riding in 1° c, so in my eyes putting all that stuff on, saying its better and then adding the high pricetag is like building a custom car and blaming the manufacturer that the mods were expensive
Yeah I can't believe we still have to buy after market lights to fix poorly thought out ones on these expensive models. Make them safe for night riding: projector front light to not blind people, and bright rear lights at all times. It's so simple. Besides the pedals not being terribly useable in the rain, wtf. Ugh.
@@MrDarkBenjaminIts winter here so there wasn't much of an opportunity to ride it. I did manage to take it out once and there is a bit of a learning curve going from the 16x to the Patton, mostly the weight difference when starting and the 'locked in' feeling with the pedals/toe clip.
I'm curious to see if all the things you "have" to buy for this also holds true for the Lynx, probably. I still can't believe anyone thought it was a good idea to put a linear spring in an EUC. Those deadspots seem concerning, even if fixable with tightening/tuning. 😬 Thanks for thr run through!
Awesome awesome review, that's why I love your videos, I want to buy an EUC but I'm worried about safety, I saw a lot of videos of batteries exploding, I'm a student in Canada and I rent a place, so I don't want to cause problems for my landlord, or I just don't know if I can put it in my classroom. Thank you for all the information
eWheels supplies acceptable pads and a seat with their Pattons, but yes, the pedals need to be changed. I like it for off-road but am not crazy about that knobby at higher speeds on the road. And, I'd prefer a larger diameter wheel for off-roading. The Patton may be more expensive per watthour (or whatever metric was used) than the Master, but I have both and the Patton range is considerably better than the Master with the 1900 WH battery.
Philips screws should be awoided at all cost as they is very easy to strip the head. Pattons voltage does not mean it overcharge cells, its just not accurate display. You can tune it in settings. Mine is with 125.9V. For correct measurements, you need lab multimeter with 0,020-0,015% precision and measure battery, as standard cheap multimeters can show voltage with 0.1-0.2V error in measurement.
ever since discovering Paul Kent's trick of using marine grease inside bearings i tell everybody about them. use marine grease in your bearings. take them apart new, follow zerofrictioncycling's guide of cleaning stuff (mineral turps and methylated spirits not petrol) pack it with marine grease (phil wood waterproof, liqui moly bootsfett, etc.). your bearings will be slower but much more reliable.
@@cenciende9401 nah he just tries to make it seem that EUCs are less fast then they can be so normies will think it's safer somehow, it's not theoretical top speed ppl do ride over 70kph on this wheel
Yay! I’m not sure yet but it looks very tempting! Especially with 25 A charging :D it’s heavy but I’d actually prefer a smart bms over the Sherman-S lack of it
What unicycle would you recommend for commuting in the city for a user weighing 92 kg, covering 7,000 kilometers annually in all weather conditions, and bringing the unicycle to work? Right now I have a splendid KS18xl which is a little to slow when I need to go on a street for a short time when going from Rembertòw to a well known bike line along the Żołnierska street. I was concerning Patton but it is so heavy that I probably would have problem to enter my work place.
how far do you need to go in a single charge? how fast do you want to go? how much money are you willing to spend? do you know what size wheel you want? if you need to ride in rain, inmotion and veteran are obvious choices. don’t buy begode.
@@darkstar4494 KS18XL gives me even more range than I need. My usual speeds are between 30 - 40 KM but I want possibility to safely reach 50 when I need. The smaller and lighter the wheel the better but I do not know if 16 inch wheel is stable at higher speeds. Inmotion has V12 or new V11 to offer, Veteran Sherman, Patton is heavy. KINGSONG s19 seems to be ok. Begode has T4 or Master and Extreme Bull has Commander Mini. In motion V14 seems to be powerfully and has enough of range but it is heavy.
@@baryton76 sounds like you already have a good understanding of your options! Seems like the new v11 makes sense for you. Maybe s19 if you like the style and pads. If you don’t care about agility or acceleration as much as commuting in comfort, I do not think a 16” makes sense for you. I have a Patton, it’s stable at 50 but soft suspension and heavy weight help with that.
Inmotion V14 makes this wheel obsolete. And it contains everything in the box. Power pads, fairing plates, amazing light front and back. Only the pedals could be better. The service of the shock is so much easier. And also the tire change is as easy as the Begode :). And of course smart BSM is also included.
Hey, the rubbery, sticky stuff you put on the straps of your Dual Axis to keep the straps from sliding down, what was that stuff called? Do you have a brand name for it? Im looking at this stuff called Smooth On.
Cool! Nothing more, nothing less about this wheel. Feels a little bit like they self-deprecated it by release of Lynx. Though, nothing beats euc-diarrhea of Begode. 😆
Great work, clear, and honest thanks for sharing your thoughts Adam. I’m about to buy my first EUC and I’m thinking it’s going to be the Lynx, I like the look of all your custom NyloNove gear. Are the NyloNove pads (Kinetic Pads BITE - BIG) better than the BeiDou Power Pads BD3? And do they fit on the Lynx? Are there pads you recommend? Is the NyloNove Seat for Veteran Lynx better? And finally, do you have a code NyloNove? (I’m pretty sure you don’t but It was worth a shot.) 😂 Thanks🥰from Australia.🦘
Good review. Everyone seems to really love the Patton, and I can see why. I think as a casual commuter though the only thing that will get me to give up my V11 is a comparably priced wheel that is easy to maintain.
I always thought that a super high performance 16 inch wheel is kinda strange......I am definitely looking forward to machines that are more for the masses and less of a flex "look what's technically possible"
Very much appreciate you upfront honest reviews. Often reviewers try to be too nice so they can keep getting free euc’s or accessories. It’s obvious usually but I wish they would include “I got it free”
No they don't, you just have a different opinion. Reviewers without integrity do not last long or gain a following. To anyone intelligent not paying for the EUC is a non-factor in reviewing it, that applies to both reviewer and viewer.
The whole segment about the added price because of the accessories is a bit absurd, as if they are necessary to enjoy the Patton. They aren't. 3D print some pads for $100 and that's really all you need. I get that you like to hock your nylonove products but frankly, they are way too overpriced and not even necessary to enjoy the wheel.
how much euc experience do you have? wobbles are your fault except for rare circumstances. something about your stance or the way you apply leverage is imbalanced. maybe your legs aren’t strong enough yet
Yes lower tire pressure makes it easier to control the wheel. Try soft/medium mode and when wobbles start, stiffen up a bit and brake. I think with time you’ll get it! It’s also a heavy wheel so you need to build the e muscle up to control it! For me the best weight of a wheel is half the rider weight ;)
I purchased a Patton as my first wheel, and a few things really helped me get over the low speed wobbles...(currently at about ~3400 miles on my Patton, and average riding speed is around 55-60km/h): 1. Tire pressure (as previously mentioned). Start lower, then move up slowly. Small pressure differences can make a big difference. 2. Boots - I picked up a pair of Forma Adventure Low boots (at around -1500 miles); the difference is like night-and-day. 3. Get into the habit of Always Carving (even just tiny 'micro' carves)
@@darkstar4494 3 months I've been riding for. I think what happened was someone changed my foot peddles to more angled view and it put me right off. I usually run at 24 psi and this suits me well.
I feel like this video should've been longer, constantly felt the struggle to keep up with all the info being delivered to my brain, maybe a slower pace narrative would be more enjoyable and easier to follow
Rear lights looks like the Polish overpriced Sherman superLIght from Hulaj marked? The bumpers look terrible but I can live with that since you as always gives us very good info....
Hello Adam! Please tell me, I had an argument with a friend. He claims that it makes no difference whether one charging port will carry 5A or 10A, but I say that fast charging with high currents will slightly reduce the battery capacity. Can you answer from experience whether it is better to charge 5A or 10-15A? What can be done to maximize battery life without losing cell capacity?
I had the opportunity to ride and see the SuperSoco lineup of motorcycles and for the city, with their dependability they seem more reasonable actually. Now of course they’re no EUC but they have a lot going for them
@@mr_wrongway For speed and range you are getting they are more expensive then EUCs or S-scooters simply because you need more and larger parts, good for carrying a passenger though, that's the only thing my begode master can't do so I'm actually getting a small surron style e-motorcycle lol, just saying that they are more expensive.
euc was allways a luxury.... the problem is, that we are "too rich" and just ask how many machines got an rider (usually 2-3) so now 3000 euros, because Patton is on other sites 2999 euro, it is affordable
700 in 3d printed parts is ridiculous, and pedals need to be universal if they cost 300, how can they sell them for 300,you change wheel and you have a 300€ paperweight rofl
Stock pedals were fine for me and the owner, even when riding in snowy wet conditions at 1°c, soo perfectly reasonable, so like any euc, it's just pads
