Smash Ultimate - How to Survive Longer (DI & LSI) 

I will!

Make a video explaining the Buffer System

Beefy Smash Doods can you guys talk about the control scheme like is it better to use low speed or high speed for stick flicks

Is sdi still a thing?

What is that intro music!?

I know people will argue with that lmao

it's literally just pushing in the direction you want to go, it's more a superstition that actually works than a complex tech

@@grey8478 You're kidding, right?

@@MintyPolaroid no

@@grey8478 its not a superstition, its programmed into the game. And with it is basic math: change angle = longer distance to travel.

Why would you hold up? Just curious, not judging or being rude.

@@IGamingStation That's how it works on every previous title but 4. A lot of people made the adjustment then, but if you're coming into this game from any other version of Smash that muscle memory needs to be rebuilt starting now.

@@Tselel i started by only playing 4 and have always been di'ng upwards on horizontal because i was always told to go towards the corner. This video was mind blowing to me

The Melee DI... I just recently started playing melee and always DI wrong in it because of smash 4...

​@@moesifasdasd4151 Same for me, the person who teach me Smash always said that I should always go to the Corner

xXBlackKZoruaXx RIP

Me too. Thats why i am watching this video lol hahaha

And that's why i use an apostrophe

Did it work

did it work?!?!

Did it work, the world needs to know

DID IT WORK

did it work @Matt Hale

What did you press?

Marlon Oswald I was doing the method of trying to angle my direction towards the corner of the blastzone rather than just holding the opposite direction.

@@Muigio44 That's how it worked in melee. I guess you played melee before, huh?

Its ok bro i was doing the exact same thing

@@Bash70 vectoring was a hoax

Wahkandan Waluigi this is news to me

"prepare yourself!" "prepare yourself"

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Of course Libre is a girl, we've known that since Pokken. The heart shape on a Pikachu's tail indicates it's a female. Also, if you to a shorthop and pause, there's a very obvious camel toe/vagina that was modeled for some reason: cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/296493351275069440/522272020713439232/JPEG_20181211_234120.jpg

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WHOLESOME

And then kicked him into orbit

I'd also give some of Leffen's videos a look, he's sharing some info on the game as he learns it.

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Chapadios

Tryhards who already know the tech/skills

Epaaa whats el chaparro doing here???

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By accident

A bit late but DI straight downwards

@@sazakrom106 you can't di down, that's lsi

If you're going directly to the corner, then yes, but that's improbable. You're going to die for touching either the top of the side blastzone, so adjust accordingly. But, yes, strong 45° diagonal knockback leaves you with few options.

In that case, you’d put the stick at the most bottom left it can go

High level play I guess. I would've never thought of that.

@DaniLovesArt12 Dim Watch the video you are commenting on.

Those people saying it was like rocket science were most likely talking about melee. It's a much more complex game than any other smash but Ultimate is taking steps back in the right direction after being catered to a casual audience for years.

@@bondr991 Almost like the series was supposed to be directed at casuals from the beginning.....

Bond R >the right direction Needless complexity in a fun party game is the "right direction"?

Sdi is in all smash games (idk about 64)

LSI was present in smash 4 also

@@MultipleWaysTutorials lol SDI is the only DI in 64

SDI works in this game, but it seems like the best way to SDI rapid jabs this time is to move up and towards the opponent. I could be wrong, but that's my experience so far

The original term for it was 'vectoring". I suppose LSI sounds better though

Yeah that's what I was waiting for too

Jesus not even the comments have it. This guy wasted 8mins of my time explaining background info i dont need for something he never simply explained

Launched up/right: right + slightly down Launched up/left: left & slightly down Strictly left: right Strictly right: left The difference between up/right and strictly right is which blast zone you're about to hit.

Yes.

@Terry Bogard you sound like the guy name Terry Bogard on RU-vid with Terry Bogard Anime themed fan art as the pfp

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You wouldn’t get full use of DI.

It was removed in smash4 so my guess is that it's not present in Ultimate.

Clarification for is no it doesn't work. You want to use momentum change type move

Melee di always fucks me up in this game and viceversa

Good question

Blauer Pikmin really makes you think. Try it with yoshi and tell us.

Blauer Pikmin From what I’ve tried I get A LOT less momentum from B reversing then I did previously

I think it's still a thing. I tried it with lucario and it works

ive seen canceling momentum and reversing it

so he kind of explained it wrong but his application is still correct... if your launched upwards at an angle you should still DI side + slightly down. to go towards the corners + reduce your y component. right? in that case it doesnt affect your survivability horizontally but it still does vertically...

@@Dmahmoud17 Yes, but he also said you should refrain from using LSI for horizontal Knockback, when in reality it doesn't matter, and even may improve your position if you have a poor recovery. That said BSD are still sort of right because if you hold up and towards the stage you don't get the maximum possible input towards the stage because of the Stick geometry. The problems with the explanations were largely because they stopped themselves from elaborating on it to keep the video light, which is good for people who just want to play the game rather than do math I guess.

So it turns out that you *do* fly farther horizontally with holding up, and less far with holding down if you don't press anything and let yourself fall to the ground. However, because of a mixture of balloon Knockback and Hitstun being on a fixed timer, you will be able to jump out of KB at precisely the same X coordinate regardless of whether you pressed up or down. This explains why the example with Shulk in Training mode looked so weird, because they didn't buffer jump.

ADrew as long as a direction is held during the end of hitstun the initial DI will apply

Yes, holding is just as effective!

It is easier that way, if you see the oponent is going to connect with a move then its easier to hold the di before the move hits.

In fact, if ultimate is the same as melee in this regard, which im sure it is, you can't actually DI after knockback has started. You need to DI during the hitlag from the move, or before you get hit in the first place. As soon as knockback starts the game checks your stick position and uses that to determine your entire trajectory up until the point that stun ends. I don't have ultimate to test whether or not any change in trajectory is applied during knockback, but you can test this by looking at the trajectory lines in training mode and seeing if they change after you get hit.

Yeah this stuff wasn’t addressed

If you actually watched the video then you would know that LSI doesn't work when you're being launched straight down.

Pretty much.

Not always, the "best" direction to di will change depending on the move. On a weak knockback move that sends horizontally, Di'ing in will give them follow ups. So you want to Di out moves that would otherwise cause you to be combo'd, and Di in moves that would otherwise kill you. Sometimes It's better to DI out strong moves at low percents just to be in a more advantageous position. It all depends on context, experiment.

@@SufferDYT We're talking about moves that can kill you, not moves that can combo.

ThiroSmash i dont understand why everyone on here including the actual video cant just simply say the answer we all came here for without twenty extra info and rules n stipulations

also wondering this, lol

Dadzie Brewer pressing down makes your launch angle smaller in that scenario, hence decreasing the travel distance to the blastzone.

Pressing down at all will change your angle, making you die sooner. Although it slows down your launch speed, I don't know if that will compensate for the worse angle. Maybe there is a balance that can be struck. I think they're making the point that DI affects launch distance more than LSI (maybe?). That may not be true, but thats what I took away from the video.

@@amadeus7286 yes but it also slows your launch speed. And i dont mean pressing straight down. Im talking about an angle between left and down

@@Dadzie498 It still dis you into a more horizonal angle which more than offsets the benefits you get from LSI. All LSI really does is make the normally optimal DI methods less optimal, because they'd require you to hold up.

RapIdiot lol same

It's about as effective as Smash 4

Diamond D7 I’m never able to get out of multijabs in ultimate rho

@@corvax8644 I think that most multijabs were just buffed across the board since a lot of them were inconsistent or unreliable in Smash 4.

Zachmacf hmm, I guess that’s a good thing. Still kinda annoying not being able to sdi out tho

@@corvax8644 Just think of them as being like a throw or something. You got hit, this is what this move does, accept your fate, watch the animation happen, and di out of their follow up.

@@The_Traveller... I think he meant during the bulk of the video. Where they were explaining how DI works. I could be wrong though.

I'm pretty sure it just makes it easier to DI optimally, you mainly have to just move control stick left or right and sometimes down, compared to normal DI, where you would have to do parallel to the launch direction, which makes sense when you think of how DI works, but is less intuitive. Sounds like a wonky rework to me and if Nintendo wanted new people to DI better they could have just added good tutorials like RoA. Might be missing a better reason, but this is my assumption.

I think it depends on the situation. If you are just trying to survive a lethal hit, it isn't going to help. However, for non-lethal hits, it would allow you to control how far away you go away from your opponent and stage.

@@123christianac maybe it helps against ding dongs as well.

Don't worry, you'll get better! Just keep practicing as much as you can!

Retriax Make sure the practice the right things to not develop bad habits

@@simonlin2646 Im new to smash ultimate too (However I do have smash 4 experience), any bad habits I should make sure NOT to do?

@@boomko1253 Don't dodge all the time

FS x BIG EEFY Just SDI.

SD

FS x BIG EEFY maybe you can get lucky and she can influence your launch speed.

This comment needs more attention

Brawl had aerial momentum canceling (just do an aerial to stop all knockback) and Melee had crouch canceling.

CCuppy Smash 4's (and by extension, Ultimate's) DI is a totally fucked system because it combined 2 totally different forms of DI. Early in Smash 4, DI was totally reworked from changing your launch angle (like in Melee/Brawl) to actually increasing/decreasing the distance launched by holding away from or in to the launch vector. This "vectoring" mechanic allowed people to live until very high percents and a lot of people complained, so it was patched out - For the Y axis. The X axis still used vectoring in Smash 4, but the Y axis used the old form of DI, and that seems to be what Ultimate is doing as well, except for some reason crouch canceling was re-added. For everything Smash has gotten right, every game (except maybe 64, I've played like 3 matches ever of 64) they come up with something new and unique to fuck up DI, a mechanic that should be one of the simplest and easiest to understand.

@CCuppy no its not difficult, but its unnecessarily complex the old DI system was a single rule: the direction you push your stick influences your trajectory - simple and makes intuitive sense the new DI with two different systems that, when working together, makes the input you should be inputting less immediately obvious, was an unnecessary change imo

@@angolin9352 neither of these things have anything to do with the DI system itself tho i agree both of those things were problematic (melee crouch cancelling is a biiit too strong), but the DI system used in both of those games are ultimately independent of them

Let's just be happy that the gameplay isn't as slow as Brawl's movement

Smarter is a better word, set them lower than smash 4 (I used 6-7 cuz I suck but they were tough as hell in smash ultimate!)

Right? They literally follow me perfectly when I'm in the air.

They know how to tech also

That JIggs bot is deadass Hungrybox with those rest followups. And they dash dance and have ass wave land from personal experience (level 9s at least). At least I can't get rusty from playing against bots if I have to legit sweat bullets to even have a chance at them. When I get the chance, I would like to bring my Amiibos over to Ultimate, but laziness, and also I'm probably not ready for that insanity yet! Those Amiibos are gonna be something else I bet!

Just let them be wrong and wreck them in-game. lol

Whats wrong with Online?

Im paying an extra $20 for something worse than 4 years agi

Saintly Halo you request a one vs one and you two other people that requested one vs one and one person that requested free for all get put in a free for all.

Just make arenas. :P

There's probably gonna be a patch soon... This has gotta be an accident.

... wait what.

Keep at it

kyvrna when i played sm4sh for the first time i felt the same way but then i said to myself that there is a smash bros legend that could do everything like combo’s, perfect shielding and stuff(idk why i thought that xD). then i began to practice with level 9 coputers i lost most of my matches against level 9 cpu( i only won because they went of stage and i spiked them)but i became better and better and eventually won almost all the matches. then i started to practice against two level 9 cpu and when i got the hang of it i survived longer and longer and eventually beat them then i played in for glory( some people sucked but i mostly got god tier players)i lost a bunch but then i learned how other people play smash and tried to counterattack them and then i saw that the training i did helped me so much that i could compete a bit with the god tier players that can two stock you. so what i’m saying is that you have to practice alot and never say that you’re never going to be good at smash(same thing in real life).🙂

kyvrna and yeah you have to be patient in smash and strategies alot so you can maybe comeback from a tricky situation

kyvrna that’s alot of word i wrote xD