Smashing Pumpkins Suck - Your Favorite Band Sucks Podcast 

This one is unacceptable! thumbs down #77

I’d gladly die 😂

Beautiful.

That line drives me nuts, every Male adult was once a tiny version of themselves, how is this helping anyone? Why does it make me so fucking mad?!

@@scottbaylo well thats not the line though to be fair its the first half

He may be a douche but that is a Tune

and doesn't know what to do...maybe ' make, a...cherry pie' Billy Boiii

Combined

Corgan is a king douchebag.

No, they suck ass since forever.

You said what I've been thinking word for word although I can understand why people find them pretentious and awful.

The only record that ever moved me in the way The Pumpkins were seemingly 'supposed to', based on the press etc they got, was "Siamese Dream". A tight, just diverse enough record that integrates Corgan's dream-pop and shoegaze fascinations with his interest in mini 'guitar symphonies' as well as his teenage obsession with heavy metal, all into something really special. Even the record immediately following, the bloat had already set in (to me)

Machina, especially Machina II, is really good as well.

Solid.

@HULK HOGAN Easy, dude, it was just an opinion. It depends what each band personally wants from their sound, but I think he made perfect sense. It saves disappointing people when they hear a fantastic album and then discover that the band can't pull it off live.

No way. Recording is an art form into itself. What's great is when great songwriting, musicianship, production and mixing all come together. That's what makes timeless records. Always do in the studio what you can't do onstage then figure that sh out. Recording makes mediocre musicians professional. Totally different mindset and approach. You friend was a ding dong.

@@Darthflips Believe me, I've been in bands for a long time and sometimes you just can't replicate live what you do in the studio. Perhaps it just depends on what you want from your live sound, or perhaps Smashing Pumpkins are just a poor live act! I do agree with you that recording can make mediocre musicians professional, though - producers are true magicians and often deserve more credit than the musicians themselves!

Not bad advice but studio recordings can be an art form in and of itself. Also bands that improvise live often create a more exciting experience that those that go note for note. So different bands can be great for different reasons. Oh by the way if your favorite band is Dream Theatre .....you know the rest.

I agree also the song geek USA is great until the guitar solo after the slow part. It’s honestly terrible

XYU is a perfect example. He sounds like he's having a temper tantrum.

Wrestling into a believable show?LOL.

You couldn't be more wrong about how that turned out.

Yeah, 9/11 was an inside job, good for Billy

I love Cartman as well❤ what can you do..

such a control freak! to fire her for getting arrested for possession of crack after they kicked out the drummer for overdosing with another band member who died because of it.

It was a solo project he played everything except drums and everyone else just played live except for melancholy and the infinite sadness James and Darcy played on the record. Supposedly

@@TheVioletBunny James Iha, at least (and I suspect D'Arcy as well, although im not sure) was still writing his own parts a lot of the time, at least on the first few records, but Billy being the obsessive person he was, would then record their parts himself in the studio, which is part of what started really rubbing them the wrong way. If he had been BOTH writing AND recording their parts from the very beginning (like a Nine Inch Nails situation), I don't think it would've started fucking with their heads the way it did. To give Corgan a LITTLE leeway, I will say that being able to record parts robotically and accurately time and time again (esp before digital punch-ins became super easy) is a totally different skill that a lot of people don't have. There's nothing like getting past the halfway point of a song before your finger slides slightly past the mid-point of the fret and the note doesn't come out perfect, and you have to start over. Makes you wanna blow ur brains out, lol

@@mywhychromosome Of course Billy and Jimmie laid down all the tracks... they were the ones with talent to make hits. The funny part though is like with 1979 it's a real drum kit but it's just two bars looped, so you neutralize Jimmie with that approach.. but then Billy also played that loop himself. So in that case Jimmie wasn't gonna cut it for Billy's genius vision for how that song was supposed to be.

@@guyincognito320 That’s really interesting about “1979”, I never knew that…I mean, I knew it had the SOUND of a late-‘80s drum loop, but I figured that was just how it got shaped, or that Corgan directed Jimmy to approach the kit in a way to evoke that sound, didn’t realize they actually looped it. As for the band playing in general, as I said earlier, in their prime at least, I think everybody in the band was capable of coming up with as well as playing effective supporting parts…but nailing them time and again perfectly over and over in a studio setting when the clock is running is a totally different skill that, from having played in a lot of bands, a lot of musicians just don’t have (or take a lot longer to hone it). That was one thing Corgan had over most of his bandmates without a doubt, and it probably would’ve been a rough situation regardless, but it was made a thousand times worse by his lack of trying to explain or dampen the situation and basically just replacing their parts without their input, lol

Truth hurts don't it?

Easy. Any band you haven't found on this list and frank Zappa.

They are shitlib to the core

There’s an existential lesson in here somewhere lmao

It doesn't make sense, I still think you were right and did the right thing by leaving

@@scottbaylo I'm from Seattle and was tangentially involved in the early 90s scene. SP moved to Seattle to build "cred" and to "check out the scene". I always hoped to hear someone from The Accused or the Melvins beat up Corgan for his trouble.

@@EcoSandy the early 90’s might’ve really been the best time, because even though I like a bunch of the Fat Wreck bands, the way that sound got copied/pasted was a terrible thing to happen, as just before that you could go see 3 bands that were all great, and all had a different sound. I actually like a couple of SP songs, but the majority is garbage (“a few good songs, does not a good band make” I always like to say). There are a bunch of bands I love from that time, but I think I miss J-Church the most (if you don’t know them, they’re essentially pop-punk, but don’t let that keep you from hearing them, they were much better than that label would suggest, and had so many different sounding songs that you really couldn’t only put them in the pop-punk box completely. And their discography is ridiculous, I don’t even think anyone in the band really knows how many things they released, but Prophylaxis is a perfect album if you ever care to try it out)

@@scottbaylo Yeah I have lived in SF for like 30 years now. I used to go see J Church all the time.

LMAO 😭

😂

In what way is he a douchebag aside from wearing silver sparkly pants for two years, waiting until hes in his 50s to go by "William", owning a coffee shop called Madame Zuzu's, or wearing a cowboy hat on Charlie Rose?

Who wouldn't do at least 4 minor douche things if they had a million dollars?!

Some have compared Billy to Kurdt, but to me Billy has the more bitter, cynical sense of humor.

Best comment on this damn section. You wouldn't believe it but the songs that didn't make mellon were way better. If it was a group effort maybe some of these songs could have been choosen.

"... and the drummer..."

that isn't ebven remotely true. they had written and recorded nearly 50 songs for Mellon Collie, and the ambition for a double album was well before they even started to record it.

Heeeeey, pumpkins fan here.

Their points don't make the band suck. A band that sucks is a band that doesn't make good music.

@@blastofo They don't.

I puke when someone mentions the TV show night court, or anything that's in the area of the sound "court". Luckily "love" doesn't have that effect on me yet.

@@scottbaylo Hey, Night Court was awesome.

Not in the sense of style or dress, which is how it's usually meant when people describe bands this way, but in the early days (first 2 albums), the Pumpkins wre a very striking band visually, just based on the members natural features...D'Arcy, the vaguely androgynous, pale female bass player, Iha, the Asian hipster guitarist (still a rarity in rock bands, oddly enough), Jimmy with his long hair looking like he belongs in Zeppelin, and Corgan when he still had hair had a certain visual charm about him as well (I still remember seeing Hole back in the '90s, with Courtney introducing "Violet" by explaining how it was about Corgan (without directly naming him at that point), and how she'd "put a hex on him, and now he's losing all his hair" lol

You never even "put it in?" Into her, or you never listened to the record?

How can a mere three word sentence sound so revolting and horrific upon closer reflection?

Who hasn't already? Oh wait, nevermind

She’s the musical equivalent of a unshaven female armpit

Was*

*though* learn to spell. There is no excuse for laziness. Get with the program.

D’arcy was a heroin addict. She had a lot of problems. She was attractive but Billy was awful to her and she had a lot of issues.

@@jessebartlett7316 dude is writing a RU-vid comment not an email resume to their boss.

@@HoweyDamus yeah until she hanged with Mickey Rourke lol

Search for what if the guy from smashing pumpkins lost his car keys.

We aren’t terrorists

The goddess and the band are fantastic.

@@YourFavoriteBandSucksPodcast Do Kings of Leon or The National.