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Smyth Busters: Can You Mix & Match Bolt-Carrier Groups?

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One of the great things about the AR-15 platform is its interchangeability of parts. This includes the ease of swapping a different bolt-carrier group into your rifle, which takes all of about 20 seconds. But some folks out on the Internet say, "Don't mix and match AR-15 bolt-carrier groups!" Why not? Let's ask Steve and Caleb.... who say AR-15s are all manufactured to the same specs, so a new bolt-carrier is almost certain to fit in your rifle. Just whip out the headspace gauges and check the headspace on the new BCG. You don't even need a full set of headspace gauges. Just a NO-GO gauge is fine. (Don't use a "field" gauge: that's for military and law enforcement users who put a very large number of rounds through their rifles during training.)
Here's another warning about mixing and matching bolt-carrier groups: Let's say you have two BCGs that both headspace correctly in your rifle. You set one of them aside and shoot thousands of rounds with the other. Don't just swap the "spare" BCG into the gun without checking the headspace again. The lug recesses in the barrel extension have worn while you were shooting with the other BCG, and the spare bolt-carrier group may no longer headspace correctly. How many rounds lead to significant wear? That varies by rifle, type of ammo, gas system pressure, and a lot of other factors. Suffice it to say, the average casual shooter is probably not going to significantly wear the headspace on their rifle any time soon.
So the myth is BUSTED, with a stipulation. You CAN change your AR-15's bolt-carrier group IF you check the headspace when you do it.

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@CalebSavant Год назад

Just because you can say "I did it and nothing bad happened" doesn't mean you should keep doing it. We all know this guy right? Oh, and I said I would timestamp it! 4:27, Steve said check it!

@falconcowboy9995 Год назад

🤣😂😂🤣😅😅😆😆

@whatsmolly5741 Год назад

Ok ok. Thats a fair point but on the other side too many people lack the ability to reason stuff out themselves and just want to be told what to do, which wouldn't be all that bad except modern liability requires me to treat you as if you are the dumbest person who currently walks on this earth, because it's alot easier to say "don't put smokeless powder in hour black powder gun" than to explain that this isn't necessarily true as you can use smokeless powder in a black powder gun but differences in definition of grain and smokeless being 3-4x more powerful you absolutely need to be sure you converted it correctly. Or you know "don't make your own baby powder" not because you can't make baby powder at home but because we're scared you're so stupid you'll kill your baby doing it. If you don't know why you're following a rule that's a problem all in itself.

@KJ4RMZ Год назад

How about a video on using gauges?

@whatsmolly5741 Год назад

@@DaedalusHelios almost didn't believe you but looks like Brownell is actually out of 223 case gages. Fortunately there is an easy alternative or probably multiple alternatives but ebay is where I got all of case gages and price is virtually the same.

@chuckb3489 Год назад

You guys should do a video on mismatching bolts for the bolt carrier.

@douglass69 Год назад

You need to show the gauges and explain exactly what you’re talking about for us that don’t know.

@virtuaguyverify Год назад

Smyth Busters, not GunSmythers

@Big0veralls Год назад

For real. I was so lost watching this. I just watched in the hopes that I’ll understand what they were taking about somewhere down the line.

@blkft Год назад

Go watch SOTAR: School Of The American Rifle His physicals and Autopsies are quite informative.

@t.lledsmar6052 Год назад

They come with detailed instructions

@CrashRacknShoot Год назад

@@Big0verallsif not shoot gun lots, don't worry. If shoot gun lots, maaaaaaybe problem. It's simple.

@britjohnson1990 Год назад

Its still incredible to me that almost any new bolt and any new barrel will headspace just fine.I dont know anyone who really have had any headspacing problems with any half decent company's products. Its no wonder why its such a popular design. You could never do that with any design that locks up in the receiver. Modern machining and tooling is incredible. I dont see this platform being replaced for 50 years

@jerroldkazynski5480 Год назад

The Army had a series of cartoon-ish publications giving hands-on experience tech talks for the care and feeding of M-16s. Wish I had kept them.

@richardflora7940 Год назад

They were called p.m. magazine .

@dr.froghopper6711 Год назад

I learned from those and I was Navy!

@tomfrommichigan Год назад

You must be referring to the comic book. When I was in the Army in the early '80s, I saw a few of those floating around. I understand that they are collectable now.

@johnf8877 Год назад

Not politically correct. A cartoon of a woman with big breasts telling you to lube your M151a1 would get somebody fired.

@christinepearson5788 Год назад

Sweet 16, reprints are available from Amazon as well as other sources. PM (Preventive Matinence) was the illustrated magazine that contained the "Maggie" character but she was never as shapely as when drawn by Will Insner (yes the Disney guy)

@2ndchance632 Год назад

Interesting. I’ve been ruining two different BCG’s in my AR-15 for years. One is from Aero Precision and the other is from BCM. Checked both with go/no go gauges. Never had an issue with either one. Round count in thousands for both. As always, keep the myth busters coming. I really enjoy watching them. 👍🏻👍🏻

@truck57us Год назад

I hate it when I ruin a BCG, let alone two of them :) Good to know on your heavily used ones. Agreed on good/fun myth busters.

@kayakdan48 Год назад

Did you mean to say "ruining" or "running"?

@danielczech30 Год назад

Many years ago, I was qualifying on the range with an M16A2. I had 2 lugs sheer off of my bolt. I had the range armorer grab the bolt from the weapon of a Marine being dropped from the range at the same time. I ran it without issue.

@jonathansmith7306 Год назад

If that had blown up, an entire colonel would be able to fit up the armorer's ass after that

@clintonlayne9253 Год назад

When did the Corps start Dropping Marines or Recruits from the range ?

@danielczech30 Год назад

@@clintonlayne9253 Safety violator.

@rockhopper01 Год назад

@@clintonlayne9253 indeed. I myself had a safety violation and automatically failed a rifle qual in the early 90’s. I still had to stay and finish the qualification. I had to do it again the following week, where you then get Marksman no matter how well you did (I think I shot a 218, which was good enough for Sharpshooter). I guess they could drop you on the spot if you do something truly egregious, like actually shoot somebody. But that’d be weird too… “Hey, can I have that guy’s BCG?”

@tcdnuss68 Год назад

@@clintonlayne9253 I was a PMI in the Marine Corps, Primary Marksmanship Instructor. You can be dropped from the range for safety, emergency or failure to qualify. Marines vs Recruits...separate animals, recruits are not Marines...

@GunWillTravel Год назад

This is exactly why Mil Spec matters! Drop in a new BCG, and it just runs. I've never had a headspace issue, actually. But tuning the weight of the BCG and buffer with the spring and gas system definitely can affect operation.

@marcusg137 Год назад

Mil Spec is honestly a joke.

@P07H34D Год назад

@@marcusg137 What is really a joke is when you buy a gun and it can't even run cheap ammo

@crunch9876 Год назад

@@P07H34D very true

@KendrasEdge757 Год назад

I think the main issues occur when you’ve used a well used barrel and swap the BCG with a different well used BCG. Typically if you put a new bolt in on a used barrel you’ll be ok because the average person will never shoot out an AR barrel or BCG.

@user-oy9zy4ds9m Год назад

With a full auto lower i go through so many bolts and uppers so it turns into a frankenstein build really quick. Tolerance stacking certainly matters, Ive had a few bolts that would not work in certain chambers but theyd work fine in others and vice versa, all different brands.

@caseyschryber1255 6 месяцев назад

Who asked. Pathetic flex

@user-oy9zy4ds9m 6 месяцев назад

@@caseyschryber1255 who asked for your pathetic insult 🤣

@theshapeexists 3 месяца назад

@@caseyschryber1255 this is a comment section on BCG's, so people are going to comment on it from personal experience.

@chad9166 Год назад

We need a set of mugs with Steve and Caleb's likenesses on them

@drengillespie Год назад

With the handle being his ears.

@carlk1183 Год назад

Yeah, great idea! Steve drinks out of a mug with Caleb's likeness and vise versa. Epic.

@patrickdaly5068 Год назад

Awesome! I’d buy a set just because it would be funny, but also to support them for all the great info.

@davidforce5617 Год назад

I was an armorer MOS 2111 for 10 years in the Marines and I have literally inspected thousands of M16 rifles including a 3 year tour at MCRD PISC and the amount of rifles that failed headspace could be counted on one hand with fingers left over. I dont remember replacing any BCGs but we did replace plenty of the gas carrier keys.

@hairydogstail Год назад

In the civilian world, short chambers are not uncommon.That is why a go gauge is required..

@shirothehero0609 Год назад

Would be interesting to see how the M27 ends up comparing in terms of failure mode and mean time between failures compared to your previous exp.

@syntaxerrorsix3137 Год назад

I'd wager the average builder doesn't ever check head space either. I don't, although I've had Faxon match a new BCG and barrel for me. But that's it.

@hairydogstail Год назад

@@syntaxerrorsix3137 The average builder??The 2 gunsmiths in this video said you don't need a go gauge when I have seen many more short chambered AR rifles in my life time ( I'm 62 years old) compared to over sized chambers..The AR world is a maze of confusion, contradictions and bad advice.......

@syntaxerrorsix3137 Год назад

@@hairydogstail I suppose you could do a poll on any of the big gun forums if you doubt that. It's just been my experience.

@joshuabruce9920 Год назад

I'm only like 2.5 years into being a gun enthusiasts so I don't really have an opinion yet I'm still forming one. I learn something new almost everyday, I really do love RU-vid as a resource for learning

@arapahoetactical7749 Год назад

I'm a retired USAF weapons instructor and part of our job was to inspect and maintain the small arms in the inventory. We were using the old original M-16's, most of which were Viet Nam era up to '95 when we finally switched over to the A2 models. I don't ever recall seeing one go down for head space issues though we inspected annually with the gauges. The biggest issues were in barrel erosion. When we had one fail that test, we usually just turned the whole gun in to be replaced. The gauges we used on the M-16 were the No-Go Headspace, the Barrel Erosion for both chromed and black bores and the Firing Pin Protrusion gauge.

@hairydogstail Год назад

I have seen many short chambered barrels and why it is imperitive to use a go gauge..What size go gauge did you use in the Air Force? Colt TDP has a requirement for minimum head space..

@d30gaijin Год назад

Far more important would be a video on mixing & matching AR308/AR10 bolt carrier groups, to include your own BRN10.

@CrashRacknShoot Год назад

Ar10s are a completely different animal. It isn't just an "opened up ar15", there are different patterns that companies use, and one must be aware of them before building one. Most nowadays use DPMS spec, but there's always companies out there that go Armalite or elsewhere.

@shawnm4503 Год назад

I know they probably have to say to check your headspace for liability reasons, but I’ve never done it. I’ll probably buy some gauges just because I enjoy doing stuff like that. I’m up to 9 different AR’s now DI, short and long stroke piston, and just about all of them came with a bcg and I’ve purchased aftermarket Lmt, JP and Bcm bolts. Switched them all up, never a issue.. but again it probably is better to be safe than sorry and it doesn’t hurt to check, a guy with much more firearm knowledge than me said the AR platform is the rarest or one of the rarest platforms to have headspace issues..

@Quality_Guru Год назад

Here is a video worth watching after this myth buster - "Brownells Tech Tip: AR-15 Headspace". Thanks for the intel.

@2amichaelj Год назад

Just so people are aware, yes, charging the handle and dry firing does break in the bcg to the barrel. You don't necessarily have to live fire the weapon in order to break in that particular bcg to that particular barrel.

@jonathansmith7306 Год назад

How? The pressure of the bolt lugs on the extension lugs would be negligible when dry firing

@TerminalM193 Год назад

@@jonathansmith7306 I think he means a brand new bcg. I can see dry fire and racking the bolt a few dozen times possibly removing any microscopic imperfections from factory. I personally don't do that BUT whenever I have a brand new bcg I lube the star chamber and the bolt lugs really well and then break it in with about 100 rounds before cleaning and then lubing properly.

@2amichaelj Год назад

@@jonathansmith7306 the bolt locks every time you charge the bolt. Every time it locks the lugs. The pressure unlocks the bolt, which is the same thing you're doing when you charge the handle. It's probably not putting as much wear as live fire but it's still breaking that particular bolt onto the chamber.

@sxsboy2253 Год назад

Thank you for this one ! I have built 5 uppers, including threading the barrel and setting up the barrel extension AND getting the gas port solidly in between the rifling lands. Each one has its own bolt (BCG) mainly because I don’t trust manufacturer’s acceptable tolerances. A lot of guys I shoot against that are truly competitive and do the same thing. Some of the guys at the range say other wise and think it’s waisted money to have so many bolts, but I also never see those guys at the prize table either. Truth be told I’m not at the prize table much anymore either but that’s because of the ol’eyes.

@twssr1955 Год назад

Another informative video. Headspace is very important. Thanks for the information and recommendations.

@chrisb9478 Год назад

Yep, as long as you check headspace with gauges.

@BillSmith-pp9sc Год назад

I build my AR's. Every BCG and barrel are head spaced with go - no go gauges during the build. As a rule of thumb the BCG stays with the gun it was built with, but I will swap for testing when there are issues, and I do a head space check before firing. Because I have a few AR's, my round count is very low on all of them. Thanks for this episode. Now I know I am not doing anything wrong.

@Googleaccountt 2 месяца назад

You absolutely should check headspace on a new build. 90% of the time, the headspace will be perfectly fine between the barrel and bolt. Where it gets dangerous is after a few thousand rounds, when the bolt and barrel extension have worn down material, and your headspace is excessive enough to cause the brass to expand to the oversized area and it blows up in your face. My personal preference is to check any new rifle with a 5.56 go, a .223 no go, and a 5.56 no go. I swap bolts until I find one that lands in between the 5.56 go and .223 no go..That yields longevity in terms of the headspace after a couple thousand rounds. Gauges aren’t particularly expensive, and there’s no point in blowing up your gun that spent good money on. For anyone saying they swap bolts or “go off of feel”, you’ve just been lucky so far, and the difference is in the ten-thousands of an inch, so I’m highly doubting your spidery senses can tingle that one.

@BigHarryBalzac Год назад

When I was in the army I replaced barrels and bolts all the time and never checked the headspace. As long as the brand new parts were made to spec, everything should be okay. Technically speaking, I was supposed to test fire each M18 the minimum number of rounds the manual said to, but I didn't have access to ammo or a place to fire weapons. I gave the rifles back to the unit armorers, they issued them to their assigned operators, and THEY test fired them, whether they knew it or not, the next time they were on the rifle range. There's no way I would have put a used bolt in any of those rifles, even if we were out of stock. I would have told the guys to come back when we get more, ordered them, and technical supply would notify them, and me, when the parts came in. What you should do, or can get away with, is different with new barrels and bolts compared to with old ones. I wouldn't hesitate to swap bolt carrier groups between my ARs if I had any reason to, because I know nothing is worn enough for any combination to cause excessive headspace.

@garydowd7313 Год назад

I can say from experience back at Ft Benning that bcg’s get mixed up in boot camp like you wouldn’t believe. Somehow we’re still here.

@A8vscRrabbit Год назад

Love these early morning videos.

@chadrowlett893 19 дней назад

IF! If ! Every thing is put together correctly. Switching out parts is no problem

@Rcasca1 Год назад

Hey guy's, I learned something here today. Thank You. I was under the impression that a new AR-15 build did not need to be head spaced. Thank you for the honest information.

@cheatingdeathcustoms2244 Год назад

Always good to check. It doesn't take a lot of time and it can save you a lot of headaches. Great video.

@disturbedmaynard3873 Год назад

If I were changing out a crucial part like the BCG, I would be checking it before heading to the range. I have always assumed you could change these out without issue, but as I get older and work with this stuff more, and with the large number of companies making parts, I would be checking it out now.

@hairydogstail Год назад

Short chambers are quite common compared to over sized chambers. It doesn't hurt to have the chamber checked with a function gauge or at least a throat gauge..Proper 3 bores, gas key I.D. and carrier lengths are also important..

@SavageTactical Год назад

It’s definitely prudent to check the headspace on used ARs and when you swap out barrels/bolts. I have seen barrels that would not pass a go gauge and have had one where the receiver extension not aligned properly.

@OmegaBahn Год назад

I love the interaction! Headspace gaging is so useful even if you think you're rifle you won't change astronomically between uses.

@johnmaresca69 Год назад

These 2 guys crack me up. I remember in basic my drills always saying don't lose your firing pin cause you can just use another one from another rifle. And something to the effect with the 3 metal gas seals maybe they were called. How the slits shouldn't match up cause gas will leak out. Wow 2005 was a long time ago and my memory is shot but it went something like that lol

@evanderboynton3057 Год назад

Firing pin totally different from headspace

@rbm6184 Год назад

@@evanderboynton3057 Exactly. Changing parts on a bolt is not the bolt itself.

@robinj.9329 Год назад

You should always check head space. It is the one critical factor necessary for a "Safe to shoot" rifle.

@dickjohnson7845 7 месяцев назад

I have heard several people, including two gun smiths that headspacing an AR is a complete waste of time and having headspace issues with an AR is extremely rare.

@Tinman3187 Год назад

3:24 In my short military experience, the barrel and bolt group wared at a similar pace but the extractor gives out first. I had to have multiple extractors but only burned through one barrel and one bcg and they just replaced the whole upper since it was essentially toast. If you can afford to shoot the tens of thousands of rounds needed to wreck a quality upper you can afford a set of armorers guages to guard against bcg/lug failers. Armorers tools are easy to use if you read the instructions.

@flyoverkid55 Год назад

I own an Armalite AR 15 A2. Bought it in 2002. Shortly thereafter I learned about other makers and bought a bcg from Bravo Co. Rifle had about 200 rounds on it. Made the exchange and everything went just fine. It's still my primary, I'm keeping the round count low on this rifle and train with another " homemade " I picked up from a friend that was dissatisfied with it.

@alancranford3398 Год назад

I retired from the military ten years ago and I'm just repeating what I learned as an experienced unit-level armorer: 1--don't mix up bolt carrier groups 2--armorers will MAKE SURE that all weapons are sent for annual checks and services Much of that can be institutional habits. The M60, M240 and M249 all fire from the open bolt position. The M2/HB fires from a closed bolt position. Now out of service, the M1917 and M1919 series machine guns fired from a closed bolt. Cook-offs were common with the closed bolt guns and a worn M60 sear could cause runaway gun--the measures to counter cook-offs and runaway guns were still standard machine gun range safety procedures when I retired. The "don't mix up bolt carrier groups" may be obsolete dogma. The M16 family has been in military service for almost six decades and dogma changes slowly, but does change--so perhaps the "don't mix up bolt carrier groups" is no longer a problem. Swapping parts proved to be an issue with the Reising M50 caliber .45 submachine gun of World War Two and led to pulling them from Marine Corps front line service (along with other issues) but the Reising was perfectly serviceable in the Zone of the Interior and when used by law enforcement agencies.

@stickfighter1038 Год назад

Got a set of gauges for this exact reason. When I am experimenting with a new upper, I will exchange one BCG for another but after that I will treat the bolt and barrel as a set so they wear together.

@armedfarm3429 Год назад

I've got & have run 4 - 5.56 uppers. I have 1 lower, with a bolt carrier. They all run perfect, my measured brass is within spec by a good amount, my newest has a fuzz hair less head space than the others. It is an amazing weapon system. I have SS bull, an H-Bar 20", a 18" mid-length, & a 16 " carbine. I always flippin around upper parts. Crazy

@LKaramazov Год назад

Crazy, I’m a newbie and don’t know the first thing about headspace, and I’m in the market for spare BCGs,like this very second. I thought they were all interchangeable. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing I guess. Classic firearms just sent me an email and I was thinking about buying a .308 bcg for my PSA. So it SHOULD work, but I’ve got to use some kind of gauge. I thought they were all interchangeable. That’s why when I see these brown Ella vids, I immediately click!

@nickstarks22 Год назад

The Ar-10 platform isn't part of a TDP (technical data package) or mil-spec like the m4 or ar15 is. There are at least 4 different ar308/ar10 patterns. The DPMS GEN 2 is the most common these days. Some parts are interchangeable, though many are not.

@BLUELEADER78 Год назад

With the AR15 platform they all should be in spec per the given blueprint because it was adopted by the military. The ar10 or the .308 AR, whatever you want to call it, was not adopted by the military so there isn't really an agreed upon blueprint for the platform. From my understanding palmetto state has done a decent job of creating a rather "universal" ar10 platform. Some are rather parts specific. Then there's magazines. Anyhow, the point is always be safe. With a regular ar15 the parts are much more interchangeable, typically lol, than the ar10 platform. Don't be afraid to ask questions. If someone gives you hard time just move on. I'm not an expert but I won't be a jerk to someone new to shooting or any questions especially if it's safety related. Happy shooting, I hope everything works out for you and I apologize if this was too long and not in any way helpful.

@evanderboynton3057 Год назад

It needs to be head-spaced. It should be ok but if not it could damage the rifle or you

@fredbecker607 Год назад

To really be sure, you need go and no go gages. In reality, the modern machining tolerances are much better than they used to. That is how they get away with swapping bolts. The carrier itself should not make any difference at all.

@DinoNucci Год назад

You're fine. Just stay clear of chinesium.

@kenneththiessen1674 6 месяцев назад

I really appreciate your discussions on these gun smithing topics. Thank you for all the good info.

@dtomamerican3471 Год назад

Please do video on how to head space with AR...maybe how to take out ejector and extractor on bolt to perform task. Thanks. Good vid.

@patdennis3751 6 месяцев назад

Of course you can AS LONG as your bolt and barrel extension are within spec. Only way to be sure is a go and no go guage

@solomonsgtjustinl9724 Год назад

My opinion is I ain’t got no opinion, and I own three ARs. But, thanks for the learning, boys. Now I’m off to find me a go/no-go gauge.

@Zestypanda Год назад

Love the educational, entertaining videos you make. Also like that you do make videos on our questions.

@godsdozer 7 месяцев назад

I cant believe I get to watch Mr.Rodgers the rest of my life.

@ftn5546 7 месяцев назад

I like to keep the headspaced bolt supplied with the barrel on there. When I shoot the barrel out, the bolt and barrel get tossed together and then I buy a new barrel and bolt. If I break a bolt (never have), then I'll just find a new bolt that passes the gages and use it until that barrel is shot out. I do, like to make sure that the replacement bolt is a good fit for the carrier though. Sometimes if the inside diameters of the carrier are large but within specification and the bolt outside diameters are small but within specification, the specific combination of those two parts results in an inefficient gas system and I prefer not to have that occur, so I might try a different bolt for that particular carrier in that case.

@blackhawk7r221 5 месяцев назад

The bolts and BCGs as a bulk whole are manufactured to certain dimensions, not hand fitted. They are interchangeable with any barrel extension unless you have a custom match set like a headspaced Wilson. When Bush came out to visit us for Desert Storm, the entire Battalion had to give up our BCG. Should have seen the boxes of them. Of course, no problems when reissued.

@michaelpeterson1169 Год назад

I have an old AR from the early 80's, that has easily over 10,000 rounds through it and, I have swapped the bolt carrier but, not the bolt. I've even had to change the lower parts because I was getting double fires. I also have another BCG that I swap between a 5.56 upper and a 300 BO upper without issue. Both have low round counts so, I don't worry too much about it.

@shirothehero0609 Год назад

I'll give you one more - LWRCi and Sig 516 gas piston BCGs. Interestingly enough, they use the exact same measurements for piston rod extension and bolt strike face dimensions. The ONLY difference is Sig uses an AR semi type bolt and LWRCi uses an M16 FA type. Both "separately" patented and ended up with the same bolt strike face locations. Conspiracy? Probably not. But fun fact for the day since piston systems are all almost completely unique. So if you're in a pinch, you can get one of either.

@markwhite6782 Год назад

Every gun I have every built gets headspace checked regardless of anyone's opinion.

@everettyost8639 Год назад

Colt factory bcg worked perfectly with your SRN 180 300 Blackout upper. Built a lower for the 300 and bought a BRN bcg for it. Worked perfectly.

@murphymmc Год назад

I've mixed a couple of BCG's , no issues, everything had very low round count, I also had a set of go/no go gauges which were utilized. Some manufacturers of gauges have their no go-gauge set at where others have their field gauge set. It might pay to check but either one will help avoid an issue.

@onmilo Год назад

Dot Mil- "Closes on Field Gauge? IT'S FINE!" Also Dot Mil- "Holds 6moa at 100 meters? IT'S FINE!"... Now let us discuss new made barrels that DO get onto the retail market without having the chambers finish reamed or that were not gauge checked for machining tolerance headspace after finish reaming. It happens. But Hey! It's YOUR BUILD! Do what you want "Gunsmith"...

@barryfairwood2174 Год назад

Fort Jackson S.C. 1970, 1971 when we cleaned weapons many parts were mixed up. Nobody worried about that. The only concern was the serial number of the M-16a1 matched your weapons card in the rifle rack. Back at my Guard company in 1971 we were issued new Colt M-16a1. The geniuses at Camp Hartell engraved the bolt carrier with the lower receiver number. This was not any help. After the first summer camp there was a group cleaning, all the bolts and upper receivers were mixed up. After yearly qualification firing, not one blew up. 30 years later talking to a machinest who had a contract with Colt, making tooling for gauging, I learned something the, tolerances were really tight. Normally I would not mix bolts and upper receivers, but would check the head space if I had any doubts.

@bradleymorgan8223 Год назад

There's a spec for a reason. Any manufacturer who doesn't meet the spec is not worth using in the fist place, matched or not.

@operationalaf3414 Год назад

I always headspace my AR15 barrels. Never had a bolt not headspace though. I don't mix and match my BCGs just because I don't feel like swapping stuff when I grab a rifle. I would trust 5.56 over an AR10 though because specs are all over the place compared to 5.56 which has been standardized.

@mmorris7808 4 месяца назад

Never had one issue swapping. It either works, or it just doesn't "feel" right. You'll know before the first trigger squeeze. If nervous about it, do your research, or leave it for the experienced guy. Go with what you know.

@russelraven7004 Год назад

I like Steve's attitude today.

@hairydogstail Год назад

Well you are getting better but you do need a go gauge as I have seen many more short chambers compared to too long chambers. Short chambers will increase pressure, blow primers, degrade reliability and effect accuracy. In 5.56 marked barrels, be sure to use the correct TDP go gauge of 1.4646 and not the commercial 223 1.4636 go gauge..

@masafarmi7709 Год назад

I have used for many years mismatch BCGs, bolts and barrels together. Never had an issue with headspacing. I have always used common manufacturers like Bushmaster, Daniel Defense, Colt etc. hey are all same sizes. Sometimes I forgot which BCG belongs to which gun.

@RobinP556 Год назад

The number of rounds that affect headspace…42, the answer to life, the universe, everything. 😁

@georgesakellaropoulos8162 Год назад

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

@tjbray72 Год назад

Thank's ...Enjoy watching

@user-ft4hx6kk5w 7 месяцев назад

I bought both the brownells GO and NO-GO gauges 10 yrs ago when i built my very first AR. Mainly because i was new to building, and i was a bit nervous about my rifle exploding in my face 😂

@hondasaurusrex6998 Год назад

People at Brownell's should make and sell a coffee mug with Steve and Caleb holding their coffee mugs.... just a thought. And as always a great video.

@STEVEARABIA1 Год назад

It would be interesting to see these measurements done. I’d like to know more about what’s going on.

@erics1723 Год назад

Check out the SOTAR channel here on RU-vid. School of the American Rifle. Several videos on gaging out the AR15 platform.

@shirothehero0609 Год назад

Also check out Battlefield Las Vegas. They keep COPIOUS amounts of records, measurements and lifespans of bolts, carriers and barrels, etc., from different manufacturers and MTBF numbers. They can basically predict where, when and how a part will malfunction or fail from said manufacturer. Really fascinating stuff if you're into how things bed in together and eventual failure modes between platforms.

@emersonchattin9512 Год назад

Yes. If you check head space.

@rj8288 Год назад

I had a supply sgt who did not number the bolt to the receiver. Within two trips to the rifle range we had 50% of the bolts had cracked lugs. It is not head space, it is the individual form fitting of the lugs to the receiver barrel extension. After a number of rounds fired, each bolt is perfectly matched to the barrel extension. Switching bolts to a different gun re sets the bolt lugs and cracks start forming. By the way, I have been shooting an M-16 since 1968. I think that I know what I am talking about.

@hairydogstail Год назад

The support I.D. bore in the carrier and the O.D. of the bolt support shoulder determines how square the bolt sits in the barrel extension..Each carrier can be different putting strain on different lugs when switching bolts..

@falconcowboy9995 Год назад

I was mixing and matching a cheap bolt carrier group from a 300 blackout and a 556 It sheared the lugs off the bolt I bought and rebuilt a new bolt........no problem

@chipsterb4946 Год назад

You need to check headspace with both a GO gauge and a NO GO gauge. Too much headspace wears out your brass fast. Too little might get exciting and not in a good way. I’m glad you guys brought this up. Having ordered the parts for a second upper, it sounds like having a bolt dedicated to each barrel would be prudent. Not absolutely necessary, but I hadn’t thought about the bolt lugs and the barrel extension wearing together. One other point is that you 2 appear to be talking about AR-15s chambered in 223 Remington/5.56 NATO. There are clear military specs for every part, every dimension, every material in that rifle. 308 ARs are a whole different world. I bought a bolt and barrel from the same VERY reputable manufacturer and still had to send them back to get the chamber reamed out 1,000th + so the bolt would close on a GO gauge. (They fixed the problem quickly and all I paid for was shipping.) I think you should assume that a bolt for any AR other than an AR-15 is *not* swappable until proven otherwise with headspace gauges.

@thomashanke6750 Год назад

Had similar issue on 308 build. Purchased barrel and bcg from same reputable company. Asked them to head space check before shipping. Was “assured” the products they sell are all “in spec”. Took a few months to get all the components together. Assembled it, went to fire it and had cycling issues and hold open issues. Had adjustable gas block, full gas and still same issues. Checked the spent brass(new factory ammo, brand name) the face was gouged and small brass shavings on the bolt face. Bought head space gauges. Sure enough it would not close on a “go” gauge! Sent it all back for them to “investigate” it. They replaced the bolt. Pissed because I even requested a head space check and was blown off. Was 2 months before I got the rifle back together. Barrel and bcg came from a company that’s owned by the company that made the upper and lower I used. Figured that would help with compatibility issues. IMO the companies are pushing out products too fast and not having the QC from before.

@chipsterb4946 Год назад

@@thomashanke6750 I must say that Fulton Armory couldn’t have been more helpful and turned the barrel reaming around really fast.

@russhayes4882 Месяц назад

Love your videos great stuff as always

@invertedpolarity6890 Год назад

Vast majority of the time, the gun will be fine, will run fine, and won’t be unsafe. In a handful of cases, the gun won’t be reliable. 1 in a billion, the gun could be unsafe to fire.

@DinoNucci Год назад

No.

@operator8014 Год назад

What are you suggesting will be unsafe? If it's able to fire without being locked, then it's not a part-matching issue, it's a broken component issue. What else are you saying is at risk here?

@Kimaracustoms Год назад

I wouldn’t say 1 in a billion. I have a few companies in mind that have consistently none concentric bolt faces that do not headspace in my nice rifles or personally build rifles built around higher end components

@sandervanduren2779 Год назад

@@operator8014 your headspace may be out of whack if you mix bolts between rifles. If you have excessive headspace over time, the extra bolt thrust could lead to more stress on your bolt lugs which could shear off bolt lugs which could in turn lead to a very bad time for you and your rifle

@genelyda1102 Год назад

Maybe that is why they are mil spec just like the Colt .45 in world war 2

@christopherspindler6328 Год назад

For the uninitiated, could you do a video on how to check and adjust headspace?

@khann844 Год назад

I don't know why they didn't include that.

@cutwormsmith Год назад

I don't think u tube will let them.

@Watchdog_McCoy_5.7x28 Год назад

The only practical way to "adjust headspace" on an AR is to buy a new bolt or barrel, and check it again and hope it's right. There's no "adjustment" as the locking lugs and barrel extension "are what they are". You can technically machine the bolt or barrel extension to proper dimensions, but that's above what most people are willing or even capable of doing. I've never seen or heard anyone have any issues with headspace on any AR from a reputable manufacturer, and I've been shooting ARs for 35 years. I've swapped barrels and bolts around between guns all my life (Im speaking of ARs only. Most all other guns definitely need headspace to be checked), and never checked headspace, and never had or heard of any issues. It doesn't hurt to check it, but the manufacturing processes and the nature of the way an AR bolt and the barrel extension mate together, it makes it so this is virtually a non existent issue. Roller delayed and roller locked firearms are more prone to have headspace issues, due to the design, as well as other types of of blowback, lever delayed actions, etc. Do some research though, and don't take my word as gospel.

@waltersobchak2973 8 месяцев назад

I bought a Ballistic Advantage 6mm ARC barrel, was quite surprised to find it failed headspace check with two different BCG's. It doesn't happen often, but reinforces why it's always important to check. (BA replaced the barrel under warranty with one that did pass a go/no-go test with the same BCG's.)

@TacticalKeene 11 месяцев назад

I have a JP Enhanced Bolt with an Adams Arms Low Mass bolt carrier for piston. Works pretty good. About 3k rounds into it now. 😊

@tacticplanner7188 Год назад

I would add, you get your group from a reputable resaler,, if your going to go on the cheap don't cheap on the carrier group, barrel, or receiver set. All other parts can be upgraded as you can afford.

@danefoss9679 Год назад

Show us how to use the Guage to measure our own headspace on an ar-15. Thanks, keep em coming!

@richardackerman838 Год назад

I've been wondering about this topic. A friend asked me if he needed a spare BCG. I told him, if I had an AR, I would want a spare. I had heard that bolt lugs break off, or firing pins wear or break. I'll relay the message next time I see him.

@hansoak3664 Год назад

This was pretty much my opinion as well prior to watching this video. I was always a bit more cautious about round count but I have nowhere near the technical knowledge that these gentlemen have so I am relieved that I was perhaps being a bit too conservative regarding round count.

@adventurfly879 5 месяцев назад

I built mine on a wilson combat upper and lower and have run 3 different bcgs. Works just fine. Im using a bcm bcg right now

@gnusasg Год назад

Getting even a no-go gage is cheap insurance IMO. After all the parts I've switched around over the years, I've only had one bolt that closed on a no-go but you can bet your ass I'm happy that I caught it.

@PunkN_JTM 6 месяцев назад

Saw a redit pop up , Asking , when should someone refill their gas piston... I couldn't help but lol... Talk about a walk of shame going to the range with yer buddies and forgetting to fill up with piston gas .🤣🤣🤣🤣

@khann844 Год назад

Now the next video!... How to head space a bolt

@andacondasqueeze159 6 месяцев назад

I have a 1970 stictly civilian issued m16 style colt ar15, all parts are matching except the bcg and charging handle, i got it really cheap because the guy i bought it from put a bolt carrier group in it that is ever so slighly to large, i do the "drop in" test with my bcg and it requires some pressure to seat properly whereas when i use a bcg from one of my friends' rifles, their bcgs slide in perfectly. I believe it is because of this the bcg short strokes every single round, not sometimes, every time and my m16 is esentially a bolt action rifle. If i dont pull the bolt back all the way and slam it in, it wont properly seat the next round either. It has a fixed gas system and everything seems to fit just fine so im almost 100% certain its a poorly manufactured bcg, as when i switch bcgs with my friends rifles their rifles then had the same issue mine did meaning the issue is following the bcg, not my rifle. All that said i think i need to replace my bcg, and im wondering if there are any dimension spec changes between 1970 .223 ar15 bcgs, and modern .223 ar15 bcgs i need to be aware of to avoid replicating this issue? Based on the swap test i assume not as i swaped the bcg with modern rifles and those worked fine, but still any thing to look out for before i commit to an expensive piece?

@hairydogstail 5 месяцев назад

There is not suppose to be any difference between the early Colt M16/AR15 5.56 chambers/bolt carriers and the newer ones of today..That said there are a lot of different manufacturers who don't hold there BCG's quality to the mill spec TDP specs.This is why you need to check head space with the correct 5.56 NATO head space gauges if the barrel is marked 5.56..There is a difference between the commercial 223 head space gauges and the NATO 5.56 head space gauges..5.56 go gauge is 1.4646 and the 223 go gauge is the 1.4636.. There are 3 bores in the carrier and the gas key that have tolerances that some BCG's may not meet, creating an under gassed rifle causing it to short stroke..BCM, Colt and DD make quality BCG's as do some others-usually lol..

@iradale4855 Год назад

Every time I see these videos and see that AT-4 it brings a smile to my face lol

@Ksargeant811 Год назад

One thing I didn't see mentioned that I think probably should have, at the end maybe, is the exception of the BCG of a piston AR-15 and and DI AR-15. So yes the BCG can be switched out from different AR-15's as long as one of them is not a piston driven gas system.

@charlesdavis3923 Год назад

I had been told bolt carriers were all about the same so when I bought a couple of ar's I switched bolt carriers out and mix matched bolts in guns I built before I heard anything about head space. Luckily I never had any trouble

@lookingattheman 7 месяцев назад

Thank you guys for making these great videos!

@350volvo Год назад

I think as long as you check head space you should be totally ok. The one issue you could run into is the tolerances of the bolt to the BCG ,either giving you a more or less effective gas system.

@miniaturefarmer464 6 месяцев назад

I have Forster go/no-go/field gauges and check every time I swap bolts on guns to be safe.

@richb.4374 Год назад

A headspace gauge is cheap and it's very simple to check so why risk damage to your rifle by not checking it?

@dirtybrd702 11 месяцев назад

Just don't try to use an ar15 bolt in an ar10 or vice versa

@thedeathwobblechannel6539 Год назад

I built my two in the height of the covid mess the first two I have ever built My no-name both carrier group and my scionics both carrier group both interchange no problems I do not have a no-go gauge to check so what I did was when you get a safe direction put a factory loaded round in and slowly closed it several times to see if it was trying to squish the round as it closed I came to the determination it was not crying trying to crush the round or pinch it in as it closes so I just went with it

@oldscratch3535 Год назад

You can do anything at least once... But in all seriousness, yes you should check the headspace. Do I ever do it? No. Have I ever had a problem? No. I buy from reputable manufacturers and I also work for a major AR-15 manufacturer so I know what goes into making bolts and barrels and it is damn near impossible, unless there is sheer negligence from multiple people and forgery of paperwork, for a barrel/bolt to make it out without being headspaced correctly. Its so important that its a 100% check along the multiple different departments. Even when we turn bolt body blanks the cut for the case head is already being checked to be within a certain tolerance. The next section is 100% checking their feature that relates to headspacing. Certain bolts are being pulled and checked on the CMM which prints and logs a report that follows that part to the end of the line. Every barrel is 100% inspected and test fired. All complete rifles get a 5 round function check. Full auto rifles get 30 rounds. Bolts get HP/MP tested. Loose barrels are fired on a test stand. A lot of shit has to go wrong for a barrel/bolt with bad headspace to make it out the door to a customer. Not saying its impossible, but its highly, highly unlikely....IF YOU BUY FROM A REPUTABLE MANUFACTURER.

@randyfrantz7195 Год назад

I question the need for checking head space when assembling new parts from reputable companies. Quality control with good AR barrel manufacturer includes checking head space. And "Mil Spec" does mean something. I do agree that any well used firearm, including the AR platform, should have the head space checked.

@hairydogstail Год назад

Bolts come in different sizes and short chambered AR's are more common than many think..

@guysracingsims2508 Год назад

I just learned that I need to learn more about AR platform

@ethan5.56 Год назад

I purchased a bunch of parts for a new AR pistol project but my new bolts gas key wasn’t compatible with my new gas tube so I swapped to another bolt from another AR and the headspace checked out with both bolts. Haven’t had any issues with either gun since the BCG swap. Great video as always

@hairydogstail Год назад

Your gas key could have been bent or the bolt carrier was not milled square for the gas key.. The bolt has nothing to do with the gas tube..

@ethan5.56 Год назад

@@hairydogstail works fine with the other rifle. Both bcgs index with the other gas tube just fine without any resistance. One just wouldn't work with the overall diameter of the gas tube

@ethan5.56 Год назад

And by bolt I mean bolt carrier in general I know the bolt head doesn't have the gas key on it

@hairydogstail Год назад

@@ethan5.56 So you are saying the gas tube was too big, or too small to fit into the one carrier's gas key?? You did say bolt's gas key, not carrier's key, but I now understand what you meant..

@ethan5.56 Год назад

@@hairydogstail yes either the carrier key was undersized or the gas tube was too large for the Faxon BCG. Pulled out one of my young manufacturing BCGs before installing the gas system to check compatibility and they mated together beautifully. It wouldn’t even start to go in the faxon carrier key but the faxon carrier key works fine with the gas tube in the other rifle

@Valorius Год назад

I've been mixing bolt carrier groups from various manufacturers for, i dunno, 20 years.

@marzcapone9939 Год назад

I've got my LMT MRP and MWS barrels mated up with their own bolts. When I bought an extra barrel, I got a new bolt to pair up with that barrel. I've never checked head space, probably should.