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Smyth Busters: Storing an AR With the Bolt Locked Open 

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Some members of the AR-15 community insist that storing an AR with the bolt locked open will damage the rifle's buffer spring. Leaving the spring under pressure, so the theory goes, weakens it over time, leading to unreliable cycling. Reality or myth? Don't worry, Brownells Gun Techs™ Steve and Caleb are here to settle the matter! It boils down to a similar situation to storing magazines loaded. Does leaving a spring compressed for a long time cause it to lose the oomph needed to do its job? Caleb points out that the AR-15 buffer spring is ALWAYS under tension. (Notice how you have to compress it in order to install it in the receiver extension, aka buffer tube?) It's just under more tension when the bolt is locked back.
Springs wear out through compression-and-release cycling, not through sitting compressed. If compression wore out springs, we'd have to put our cars on blocks when they're parked!
Storing the rifle with the bolt locked to the rear actually provides a big safety benefit: you can easily see the chamber is empty. When you step away from the line at a shooting range, an open bolt and magazine removed clearly show the rifle is unloaded and safe. If you do choose to store your AR-15 with the bolt-open, Caleb recommends doing so with the magazine out of the gun. A sharp rap to the buttstock CAN cause the bolt catch to release, letting the bolt fly home and chamber a round. Storing the gun with the bolt locked open ensures the rifle stays UNLOADED. If you need it quickly - for example, in a home defense emergency - you can easily insert the mag and hit the bolt release. If you want to store the gun loaded, do it with the bolt CLOSED and the safety on.
So today's myth is BUSTED. It's totally fine to store your AR-15 with the bolt locked back. It won't wear out the buffer spring, and you get practical "safety first" benefits.
For more discussion about spring longevity, check out our earlier Quick Tip episode, "Is It OK to Store Magazines Loaded?"

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@CalebSavant
@CalebSavant Год назад
The "Magazine Storage" video we are referring to- ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MgLxVqN9chY.html
@US2A
@US2A Год назад
So is storing it with the bolt open the same as storing your pistol with the slide back? Lol
@NosferatuandFriends
@NosferatuandFriends Год назад
"Springs wear out through cycling" Again with this nonsense. CREEP DEFORMATION Do you reject the entire field of material science, or are you just willfully ignorant.
@tacticalrabbit308
@tacticalrabbit308 Год назад
I would like to know what the most accurate barrel is for the AR-10 , LR-308 or what ever you call it for the 308 Winchester.
@US2A
@US2A Год назад
@@tacticalrabbit308 well ar10 and lr308 are different receivers. You should study some more. Barrels are the same.
@CalebSavant
@CalebSavant Год назад
@@NosferatuandFriends Don't be rude.
@toxicmatrix1337
@toxicmatrix1337 Год назад
I disassemble my arms after each use, melt them down to ingots and then reforge my arms when I need them again.
@ihurricane7
@ihurricane7 Год назад
Living by Eugene Stoner's original maintenance directions I see
@6Sally5
@6Sally5 Год назад
The only way to be sure! 👍
@danirizary6926
@danirizary6926 Год назад
You store them as ingots vs restoring them to ore? Reckless laziness, SMH.
@toxicmatrix1337
@toxicmatrix1337 Год назад
@@danirizary6926 You are 100% correct. I should return them back to the earth and smelt them! lol
@jungleno.
@jungleno. Год назад
Too time consuming. I toss 'em and buy a new one for each use.
@Juan_Stabone
@Juan_Stabone Год назад
In my neighborhood, other people will store your car on blocks for you...
@lifehacksformen8427
@lifehacksformen8427 Год назад
What nice people. Great area to be.
@Fister_of_Muppets
@Fister_of_Muppets Год назад
​@@lifehacksformen8427 also a good reason to own an AR.
@chrissewell1608
@chrissewell1608 Год назад
Do you live near Atlanta too? LOL
@dsiugzda
@dsiugzda Год назад
Awh how thoughtful, maybe they’ll even take the tires off so they won’t get too worn out from being in the elements
@williamshao1985
@williamshao1985 Год назад
lol
@kodoan411
@kodoan411 Год назад
Paul Harrell's jacket, Massad Ayoob's rug and Caleb's hair gel are national treasures.
@EDKguy
@EDKguy Год назад
I have never seen a comment about the rug... I just tought it was one of those things better not mentioned. I wish you well and know you have no thoughts of suicide. (just kidding)
@kodoan411
@kodoan411 Год назад
@@EDKguy You have spoken truth, my friend!
@ralphday4842
@ralphday4842 Год назад
😂😂👍
@jthrelf
@jthrelf Год назад
Massad ayoob's rug? Unfamiliar..
@kodoan411
@kodoan411 Год назад
@@jthrelf Don't worry. Someone will be along shortly to explain.
@boss350z5
@boss350z5 Год назад
If it's that much of a concern, use a chamber flag...
@dr.froghopper6711
@dr.froghopper6711 Год назад
Bingo!
@robertoberman2403
@robertoberman2403 Год назад
Was just gonna say that 😆
@eloiseharbeson2483
@eloiseharbeson2483 Год назад
I use chamber flags for just that reason.
@NoNo_IStay
@NoNo_IStay Год назад
But it isnt.
@franklinstower6721
@franklinstower6721 Год назад
Amen!
@stonehalo1632
@stonehalo1632 Год назад
Next do an episode on how weather affects the lubricants on your rifle.
@ArmedChicano
@ArmedChicano Год назад
Good one
@RichardCranium321
@RichardCranium321 Год назад
project farm did the best video on gunlube
@US2A
@US2A Год назад
Crisco
@stonehalo1632
@stonehalo1632 Год назад
​@Richard Cranium I know but I want one from brownell's
@eloiseharbeson2483
@eloiseharbeson2483 Год назад
@@RichardCranium321 I don't think it's the "best". He seemed most concerned with lubricity, which I think was an error. Any firearm that NEEDS lubrication to function will jam after it fires enough to blow the lubricant out. The "P" in CLP is its most important characteristic.
@Bulldog75stp
@Bulldog75stp Год назад
Maybe just install a chamber flag. You can visually see it's empty, plus this would eliminate dropping the bolt unintentionally.
@jpalmi
@jpalmi Год назад
exactly.
@TheTubejunky
@TheTubejunky Год назад
Makes too much sense and a rule to follow. I'd do that instead. Last time I checked springs are made of "metals" and metals do "relax" over time of changing temperatures. so YES it will damage the spring. The alignment of metal particles will change under pressure and temperature changes. I would much prefer PROOF and tests that SHOW the results instead of blindly accepting Brownells word for it. That's no different than believing the so called "MYTH". Unless there is scientific evidence through testing then why should we accept their word for it?
@joeshmo13
@joeshmo13 Год назад
It's a great but often-forgotten tool for sure!
@Bigbossman12624
@Bigbossman12624 Год назад
Why should you care if you drop the bolt?
@calebburrichter8452
@calebburrichter8452 Год назад
Bump your rifle butt on the ground. Bolt will drop and load a round if you have a mag in it.
@CannibalWarthog
@CannibalWarthog Год назад
The spring is always under compression not tension. I love you
@willrichtor
@willrichtor Год назад
Til your kid finds a spare and starts playing with it like a slinky...
@nerdyengineer7943
@nerdyengineer7943 2 месяца назад
Actually the spring is under neither tension nor compression. It's a torsion spring. It reacts load only via twisting. The very long very long torsion spring is then coiled into a shape that is useful (cylinder). Cheap springs will sack when under continuous load for long periods of time because of creep, but that isn't an issue in properly design springs.
@arapahoetactical7749
@arapahoetactical7749 Год назад
As a military Armorer, I was taught to store "Rack Safe", bolt forward, ejection port cover closed, safety on semi and hammer fired. This was not to prevent mythical damage to springs, it was to prevent anything else from happening. If the bolt is already closed, it can't slam closed because the rack gets jarred or bumped. If the hammer is already down, it can't fall for any reason. You mentioned if storing in a vehicle. First of all, that's a good way to lose a gun so don't, but again, any bump or jarring of the weapon could cause the bolt to fall or hammer to fall. Rack safe is the safest way to transport. If the rifle is to be a defensive arm in the truck, carry it "Patrol Ready." That is bolt closed on an empty chamber and a loaded magazine installed. Just a technical note: The springs in question are Compression Springs and are under compression, not tension. A tension spring is like the spring used to hold a screen door closed, it's a spring that pulls. A compression spring Pushes.
@submissiongrapplingtv
@submissiongrapplingtv 4 месяца назад
You can have your ar on safety while the bolt is charged. Even if you bump the bolt release and load a round, you should still be on safety and still finger off the trigger and still pointed in a sage direction. It's perfectly safe unless youre not
@arthurdirindinjr1792
@arthurdirindinjr1792 2 месяца назад
Thank you sir for your service and thank you for confirming what I felt was a common sense method to store my ARs in my safe.
@psp1921tsmg
@psp1921tsmg Год назад
My department had colt 6520s. The senior arms guy at my station insisted that the bolts be locked open on our colts and our 11/87s. When I got transferred there I took over the arms locker. Out of 4 colts 2 had recoil springs that had developed a set 3/4 of an inch shorter and the 11/87s which were seldom used had 3 out of eight that the recoil spring was so bad you could visibly see and hear the bolt was slower. Short term bolt open no effect long term as in months and or years yep it will screw up the spring. Saw Same on a beretta 96d
@petesheppard1709
@petesheppard1709 Год назад
This is the first time I've heard of storing a rifle with the bolt open. When I think 'storage', though, I think of in the rack or safe for an extended period. There's also 'condition 2' [edit] or 'half loaded' for bolt closed on empty chamber with mag inserted
@danirizary6926
@danirizary6926 Год назад
My only experience with this was in a workshop, where the owner had everything racked open, after a couple mishaps. IDK why he didn't do chamber flags.
@josephcuison5412
@josephcuison5412 Год назад
For “condition 3”, there is no magazine inserted. Bolt closed, empty chamber with mag inserted is “condition 2”
@twofifteen84-76
@twofifteen84-76 Год назад
I've heard LEO's refer to condition 2 as "cruiser ready"
@SoloRenegade
@SoloRenegade Год назад
they made us do it at times in the Army. I stopped complying the first time it bumped closed. They'd tell people to lock them open to put them in the racks, but in the process of putting them in the racks, the bolt would close, either due to slight shock or due to bumping the catch. absolutely stupid.
@bjolly8924
@bjolly8924 Год назад
I.E. With a fully loaded magazine, safety on and the bolt closed, no round in the chamber!! Locked, not cocked, and ready to rock.👍💯
@darrelldutsch
@darrelldutsch Год назад
I know that it may be common knowledge to some people, but if not sure - ask!! There's no stupid questions ... Especially for the new to owning people! Great job on your explanation! Love y'all! Please keep up the great job! Thank You!
@SafetyProMalta
@SafetyProMalta Год назад
Could you do a myth buster episode on the length of time spent on Caleb's hair regime. 🤣 wish I still had hair to practice it on.
@dr.froghopper6711
@dr.froghopper6711 Год назад
Bondo!
@Juan_Stabone
@Juan_Stabone Год назад
Pretty sure it's injection molded.
@eddyflo2978
@eddyflo2978 Год назад
It's put on every morning like Darth Vader helmet in episode 4
@RoryDSmith
@RoryDSmith Год назад
CLP
@NoNo_IStay
@NoNo_IStay Год назад
I seriously wouldn't doubt if it was CLP 😂
@AEMace069
@AEMace069 Год назад
It's your gun, store it how you want to. In any case, the springs will be in compression... not tension.
@MrOliverk2
@MrOliverk2 Год назад
If you want a visual cue showing that your weapon is unloaded, instead of storing it with the bolt locked back, just use a chamber flag. They are usually high vis colors and with that inserted it shows there is no round in the chamber.
@MOTO809
@MOTO809 Год назад
Guns is the safe are unloaded. Guns anywhere else... loaded. Very easy to remember that way.
@johnqpublic2718
@johnqpublic2718 Год назад
That whole putting your car on blocks every night is a great point!
@Jack-xy2pz
@Jack-xy2pz Год назад
Great series gentlemen.. hey to James 🙆
@NosferatuandFriends
@NosferatuandFriends Год назад
No it isn't. Car suspension isn't fully compressed in your garage.
@hughgrection3052
@hughgrection3052 Год назад
Yeah but, you'll get flat spots on tires stored for long periods. Plus, even gun makers when you report stiff springs on guns they make they'll tell you to leave the mag loaded, or store the gun with the slide back to alleviate the issue. So... are both of those busted aslo?
@CalebSavant
@CalebSavant Год назад
@@NosferatuandFriends But it is compressed.
@NosferatuandFriends
@NosferatuandFriends Год назад
​@@CalebSavant Yes. There is a difference between the spring's intended resting point and it's maximum intended compression. It's fine to say that spring creep likely won't be an issue in properly engineered firearms because of the wide safety margins. What you're saying is that it doesn't exist at all which is demonstrably false. There's plenty of old guns and mags left in the closet that malfunction after sitting compressed for years.
@howtodave1725
@howtodave1725 Год назад
What ever you do, make it you SOP for everything you own. So when the time comes there is no question on what your actions are to get the platform ready to go.
@danfriesen4417
@danfriesen4417 Год назад
My SOP...grab a mag,slap it in,rack that sucker and rock n roll 😊
@TrashAnyway
@TrashAnyway Год назад
Yes.
@newerest1
@newerest1 Год назад
This is by far the most important thing
@danirizary6926
@danirizary6926 Год назад
Sound advice
@thereloadingcraft
@thereloadingcraft Год назад
100%. I store all of my off-body firearms loaded in condition 3. Nothing in the chamber but a loaded mag in and ready to go. Any accessible firearm not on my person needs only to be racked and it’s ready to go.
@DesertMariner2007
@DesertMariner2007 Год назад
Loved the part when you said everytime you drive your vehicle in the garage, lift the wheels off the ground lol. So true, things get silly out there. I believe some people get too caught up overthinking this platform and there is way too much misinformation out there. Only springs I've ever had an issue with was those damn garage door opener springs that would always ONLY break / pop in the middle of the night!
@yodaddy82daddy70
@yodaddy82daddy70 Год назад
I mean the comparison is silly. Springs on vehicles were designed to have resting loads on them while buffer springs weren't.
@MGFUFOS
@MGFUFOS Год назад
@@yodaddy82daddy70 All springs are made to have loads thats why they springs lol
@James_Bee
@James_Bee Год назад
@yodaddy82daddy70 You must be joking. /s right? Lol. Funny one.
@lexugax
@lexugax Год назад
You should open up your engine and release the valve springs every time you park it.
@AbbyNormL
@AbbyNormL Год назад
I have a HK MP5SD that I purchased about 35 years ago and also have a magazine that has been loaded and sitting for 35 years. Back in the late 1980s, there was this same discussion, so I loaded a magazine and put in storage to test the theory at a later date. One of these days I will do a full-auto magazine dump to put the issue to rest permanently. I am retired from working in the electric power generation field and I have seen springs the size of a 55 gallon drum that are under tremendous pressure for decades without failure.
@willrichtor
@willrichtor Год назад
People don't understand metallurgy or engineering. It's sad but these pearls of wisdom are cast before ignorant, superstitious swine and you're more likely to get a dozen arguments from video game players who watch RU-vid idiots for all their information than a single person actually looking to learn something.
@Rezolution01
@Rezolution01 Год назад
If you take the magazine out of your gun and manually remove all of the rounds from it, you will notice that as you get to the bottom of the magazine, when there are only one or two rounds left in it, there will be barely any pressure from the follower. Storing a mag loaded, or any spring compressed for many years, shortens the overall length of the spring by a few percent. This makes the spring less effective as you get down to the last few rounds in the magazine. It isn't always enough of a pressure difference to cause a failure but sometimes it is. The more rounds stored in the magazine (fully loaded vs downloading by 1 or 2 rounds) also affects how much the spring is shortened. I'm not sure why people keep saying springs wear out from use, not from being compressed for many years, when compression is changing the overall length and affecting it in a different way... Glock magazines, when left fully loaded for 15 years will have almost zero follower pressure when you get down to the last one or two rounds in the magazine.
@MegadethTillDeth
@MegadethTillDeth Год назад
@@Rezolution01 What people are saying is this is negligible in the grand scheme of operating your platforms, and taking care of and maintaining your kit and gear necessitates you pay enough attention to replace springs and other parts when they need it, but doing this one action is not what is going to wholly negate the longevity of the parts.
@sithcdw
@sithcdw Год назад
@@Rezolution01no longer the case with modern spring steel. It’s the number of compressions that matter
@jimjab3631
@jimjab3631 Год назад
You mean the same reason some say to keep your pistol slide locked back overnight to "loosen" it.
@saltyroe3179
@saltyroe3179 Год назад
While no harm will occur by leaving the bolt open, it is better to leave closed with the dust cover closed. This is because this keeps dust out.
@gonerydin4225
@gonerydin4225 Год назад
The dust cover can close with the bolt locked open. Probably won't encounter much dust in storage anyway.
@panchopistola8298
@panchopistola8298 Год назад
You can open the bolt and close the dust cover … Genus .
@michaelgomez3044
@michaelgomez3044 Год назад
@@panchopistola8298 Who's Genus? Kingdom Phylum and Class's brother?
@panchopistola8298
@panchopistola8298 Год назад
@@michaelgomez3044 I’m just worried my family will think I’m a slut .
@unklemike5012
@unklemike5012 Год назад
I just put up a Dust Free Zone sign in my safe.
@TerminalM193
@TerminalM193 Год назад
The better question is.... Why would anyone want to store the rifle with the bolt locked back?
@ShaggyRogers1
@ShaggyRogers1 Год назад
Only reason I could think is that people don't want to store with a round in the chamber, but also don't want to have to manually operate the charging handle to load a round. However, that just screams half-hearted methods to me. You either want to be locked and loaded ready to go, or you don't. There isn't going to be any significant reaction time difference between charging the bolt as you pick up the rifle and picking up the rifle to then hit the bolt release switch. Both are going to give clear audible indication of where you are and what you are doing, so it isn't a tactics thing.
@eddyflo2978
@eddyflo2978 Год назад
As Paul Harell has said these sort of folks are called the "What if brigade" we will always have a plethora of scenarios like this one
@user-wt9il2xl4g
@user-wt9il2xl4g Год назад
NOT the same at all. Paul Harell is what you would call a professional.
@chdnorm
@chdnorm Год назад
@@user-wt9il2xl4g I tried doing some the things he does, at home. I couldn’t.
@kodoan411
@kodoan411 Год назад
@@user-wt9il2xl4g Which is why I don't try this at home. Paul's jacket Massad Ayoob's rug and Caleb's hair gel are national treasures.
@user-wt9il2xl4g
@user-wt9il2xl4g Год назад
@@kodoan411 Indeed!
@eddyflo2978
@eddyflo2978 Год назад
@@user-wt9il2xl4g bro I did not critique Paul, I said he has said these sort of folks are out there, who worry and come up with these scenarios just to panic over them.
@unklemike5012
@unklemike5012 Год назад
Is it true that hair pomade can be used as gun lube, but gun lube cannot be used as hair pomade?
@stellarpod
@stellarpod Год назад
No sir, the spring is not "always under tension". It is under compression. "Tension" describes stretching the spring - the opposite of compressing it. Sorry for being *that* guy, but when talking about technical aspects, it's important to understand the nomenclature. As always, thanks for sharing. Steve
@solomonsgtjustinl9724
@solomonsgtjustinl9724 Месяц назад
I don’t store mine that way because I don’t want the bolt & chamber getting kornhole hair from my cat all in there. It’s the same reason you wouldn’t crack an engine open, and store it that way.
@adroitredtiger
@adroitredtiger Год назад
Under COMPRESSION, not TENSION. total opposites :-) Pulling ends apart=Tension Pushing ends together=compression
@richardthomas6602
@richardthomas6602 Год назад
Be more concerned with the position of the safety/fire selector lever.
@eloiseharbeson2483
@eloiseharbeson2483 Год назад
WTF does the selector position matter if the gun has an empty chamber. An AR selector doesn't even work with the hammer down unlike an AK selector which can be put in the "safe" position and prevents the gun from loading a round if the gun is dropped.
@richardthomas6602
@richardthomas6602 Год назад
@eloiseharbeson2483 if the bolt is retracted, then the trigger is reset, and the safety selector will engage and should be engaged as a matter of habit. Ever owned an AR before?
@woohoo2you966
@woohoo2you966 Год назад
Now do the myth that 22LR "bounces inside a .223 / 5.56 barrel" when using drop in 22 conversion kits causing MOB (minutes of barn) accuracy.
@tsmgguy
@tsmgguy Год назад
Picky I know, but the bolt recoil spring is not under tension. It's under compression.
@savageinstitute9569
@savageinstitute9569 Год назад
The ejection port cover spring is under the most tension when the cover is closed, should I leave it open? 🤣🤣🤣
@dustinpribble1546
@dustinpribble1546 Год назад
I understand it won't damage it but still a pet peeve of mine. Especially in a pistol, when I see a hammer cocked sitting in the store case or with the slide locked back for an extended time.... just makes me cringe
@pizzasteakphocheeseburgeri2965
I can only imagine you two calling on every ounce of will to not crack up laughing on camera when discussing these myths...
@averagenobody6577
@averagenobody6577 Год назад
3:34 "The weapon has fired" 😂 (totally unrelated video) 😂
@CharacterMatterz
@CharacterMatterz Год назад
I saw that clown too....
@feuerfrei7070
@feuerfrei7070 Год назад
I thoght about the same thing
@BRE4CHnCLE4R
@BRE4CHnCLE4R Год назад
"Grandmaster J"
@JaxenChaz
@JaxenChaz Год назад
"This here is my bullpup..."
@JM-nd3ps
@JM-nd3ps Год назад
IYKYK 🤣
@MrTONYTONYM
@MrTONYTONYM Год назад
Do you recommend remove all springs & loosen all the screws for storage, to relieve tension?
@timrobinson6573
@timrobinson6573 Год назад
Can you do the myth that you guys are funny? Pretty much everyone knows you're not but I see on the forums that this myth is being tossed around. Thanks Guys!
@tmartin3151
@tmartin3151 Год назад
I’d be afraid of lint or dust getting into the chamber. Even with the dust cover closed I’d be afraid of something getting in through the mag well.
@ShimrraJamaane
@ShimrraJamaane Год назад
Agreed on the dust cover being open. For the magwell, rubber band or paper tape around a lintfree cloth (e.g. blue shop towel or electronics cloth wipe) at the base; easy to remove and keeps dust out. Same thing for the muzzle. Then again, mine is always kept in a range bag to keep dust and pet hair off/out of it.
@tmartin3151
@tmartin3151 Год назад
@@ShimrraJamaane I’m of the philosophy that your guns should be loaded and ready to use if that occasion arises. But in a long term storage situation I’d probably consider something like that.
@ShimrraJamaane
@ShimrraJamaane Год назад
@@tmartin3151 I keep my mags loaded: one set of 3x 300 BLK, a set of 3x 5.56 SP, and a set of 12x 5.56 M855. The firearms stay covered near those mags. I can have either of the two primary weapons ready to fire in a few seconds. The pistol is always fully loaded with a compact mag (as it is also my CCW), and 4 full standard mags on standby (all Hornady Critical Duty .40).
@jayj8664
@jayj8664 Год назад
Makes absolutely no sense to store it bolt back... If you want to just look at it to determine it put a breech flag in it... Much quicker easier and less compression etc to even argue about....
@duanedupon4360
@duanedupon4360 Год назад
wouldn't placing a flag in the chamber and letting the bolt go home be just as effective...???
@MS-vp8pw
@MS-vp8pw Год назад
I've seen many of the Smyth Buster's and your other videos, have enjoyed them all, and have learned a lot. I always chuckle at the sip from the coffee cups in unison at the end. Keep up the good work fellas. And thanks.
@chrisgabbert658
@chrisgabbert658 Год назад
If you have some many guns that you don’t need it to be loaded good for you. That’s your problem 🤷‍♂️.
@bertblue9683
@bertblue9683 Год назад
Cycling the springs, wears them out much faster than being under tension. It's really more about the number of cycles (and quality of spring)
@chdnorm
@chdnorm Год назад
Maybe this isn’t a myth … but, I’d like to see a video just on nomenclature. When did an AR transition from being a rifle, to a “platform”? When you put an optic on a rifle, it’s now a “weapons system”? I can see calling it an AR “pattern”' and even “A1 variant”. But I’ve seen people say “my A2” platform! This stuff drives me nuts. I’ve actually had people correct me for referring to “my rifle”. “No … that’s an AR platform”. Whatever! We need clarity on this.
@leewilkinson6372
@leewilkinson6372 Год назад
It's yours. Screw the nitpickers, call it what you want. If it shoots like a rifle, looks like a rifle and hits targets like a rifle, its a rifle. Problem solved. 😆 Now. Excuse me, I'm going to go paint the word "frankenrifle" on my latest kludge up build. I'm also painting each part a different shade of military colors just to irritate the very people you are talking about. 😆
@M81_WOODLAND
@M81_WOODLAND Год назад
I simply disassemble the entire weapon to make sure ALL of those springs get the maximum service life. 😆
@hondasaurusrex6998
@hondasaurusrex6998 Год назад
Oh kaka !!! Not synchronized coffee cup sipping ! Can't have it!
@No-Channel19
@No-Channel19 Год назад
Start at 1:25
@dareisnogod5711
@dareisnogod5711 Год назад
You wasted 1.5 min. of my time with your intro . THUMBS DOWN !
@brownells
@brownells Год назад
Noted, will move intro to 1.4 min. 👍
@williamkillingsworth2619
@williamkillingsworth2619 Год назад
If you keep paying attention to the idiots in the comments, they will keep saying stupid things to get attention. Like a dog that craps on the floor and chews up your shoes to get attention.
@Russianmafia10
@Russianmafia10 Год назад
I stage my AR with a stop box chamber lock, so it has the bolt back but if you bump it, the bolt can't drop because of the lock
@bobbafett3050
@bobbafett3050 Год назад
If I wanted to store it with empty chamber and as verifiably empty, I'd store it with a chamber flag in.
@jacobstaten2366
@jacobstaten2366 Год назад
People put a lock through their pistol breach all the time. Why would a rifle spring being under pressure any different? Not sure why you would store it this way though. You could just have a round in the chamber and on safety or have the bolt forward on empty with a full mag in the well. 🤷‍♂️
@theoverunderthinker
@theoverunderthinker Год назад
I think you can get dirt/debris in your chamber if you do that, but not that concerned about the spring.
@wtfserpico
@wtfserpico Год назад
That's why you keep the dust cover taped over the chamber at all times with a double layer of duct tape!
@theoverunderthinker
@theoverunderthinker Год назад
@@wtfserpico could be. I would never store my rifles like that (not saying it is wrong, just never occurred to me) so I never thought through all the details. I wouldn't want some chunky spider to take up residence in it or something, so I want all the ports closed. of course when you take it out of storage, you likely would clean it and lube it, so probably not even that much of an issue (unless a chunky spider runs up your arm or something) 😱
@wtfserpico
@wtfserpico Год назад
@@theoverunderthinker I was being sarcastic about the duct tape haha.
@theoverunderthinker
@theoverunderthinker Год назад
@@wtfserpico I thought that was possible, but decided that there are things I don't know, so maybe it was a thing. 🤷‍♂👍😊
@wtfserpico
@wtfserpico Год назад
@@theoverunderthinker With all of the quirks and opinions in the gun community it's not really a stretch to think someone might actually recommend that.
@reach4reason471
@reach4reason471 Год назад
I believe springs wear from cycling not just compression. Same argument for storing loaded mags.
@thew1neguy
@thew1neguy Год назад
I have always stored rifles bolt home, hammer down on an empty chamber, dust cover closed. To my mind it keeps the oils on the rails in place, and the dust or other contaminates out. I wondered more about the strain on the bolt catch for LONG term storage, more than the springs...but that was just me. I have always thought that relieving as much tension on the springs for long term storage was not a bad thing, but it was more knowing the condition of each rifle and having a standard practice that made more sense to me. Good info as always
@marsoelflaco5722
@marsoelflaco5722 Год назад
👌🏽
@greganderson1989
@greganderson1989 Год назад
There are no dumb questions but, ……..
@khann844
@khann844 Год назад
Most people have and can identify with an AR-15 that is why we want more AR vids.
@toddsickinger3934
@toddsickinger3934 Год назад
Perfect timing. I inadvertently did this two weeks ago and couldn’t wait to close the bolt it bothered me so much
@iDeagles
@iDeagles Год назад
I've never heard of anyone doing this with any type of firearm. Sounds like a good way for debris to get inside.
@WalterLitwinko
@WalterLitwinko 3 месяца назад
Close the election port cover
@iDeagles
@iDeagles 3 месяца назад
@@WalterLitwinko or leave the bolt forward and ready to defend like a normal person.
@nakotaapache4674
@nakotaapache4674 Год назад
with the open bolt i was more concerned to get unintentionally my fingers into the opening while accidentally the bolt closes. The Bolt open catch is only working by loaded pressure holding against the catch. There are lots of ways like shaking or hitting somewhere like the bolt catch itself or the hole gun itself as you demontrated in the video.
@M21-w1y
@M21-w1y Год назад
Why would you ever have your fingers ( or any other body part) in the bolt carrier cavity🙄
@michaelkullas9239
@michaelkullas9239 Год назад
Informative video gentleman. Thanks. By the way, ARs make for an interesting topic, but too much of any one thing...........
@hughgrection3052
@hughgrection3052 Год назад
Yall should do one next on the "sniper button" myth. Its about how some think holding the FA during firing turns an AR into a bolt action! I'd love to see it tested also lol
@US2A
@US2A Год назад
Hmmm
@hughgrection3052
@hughgrection3052 Год назад
@US2A_ARMS yeah. Ikr. Scared to try it myself. But yeah it's a thing. Put what looks like a button there and dumb people will misuse it eventually
@jason200912
@jason200912 Год назад
I'm gonna guess it can cause your forward assist to break off and scratch the bcg?
@hughgrection3052
@hughgrection3052 Год назад
@jason200912 I'm genuinely curious. I guess most of the pressure spike is contained by the bolts lugs until its unlocked and begins the travel rearward. That by then is technically soft enough that the spring and buffer are enough to absorb. So we're not talking full power like the FA would be holding back all the force of the round going off. But still enough to yeah cause some sort of damage at least. So my guess would be it will likely bend or shear the FA claw to some degree. At least over time it will. Just inpescted the claw on my Noveske build and it's pretty robust. It's likely pretty strong enough to eat up the serrations on the bolt. So it's possible. Supposedly in Afghanistan and places near it, it's a thing they do. Not sure how they got the idea. They call it the sniper button tho for real lol. I'm guessing they do it enough that's it's repeatable to some degree enough that it's a thing there. So maybe it don't harm much right away? Whatever the case tho it makes a shooter have to pause and reload manually. So maybe the US military dropped some bogus leaflets over them so the enemy reads it and thinks it's a thing and causes them to not only be slower snipers with ARs, but also causes them to tear thier shit up as they do so lol. I wonder how much it affects a shooters accuracy also if they're having to press that while shooting lol. So yeah it may phuk up thier aiming also, which may be another reason why to start the myth too lol. Who knows really. But yeah whoever does the video first showing it will get lots of views from people who are curious also too. Even if these guys talk about and don't do a demo it may still get tons of views. I'd watch it for sure. I'd test it myself but... all my guns I own now cost too dam much lol. The rich YT gun channels tho love to destroy nice stuff. So this will be right up thier alley for big views. So hopefully some read this and we'll see!
@CallsignWulf
@CallsignWulf Год назад
@@hughgrection3052 It became a thing because the people doing that are used to shooting more traditional stocked rifles, and having their thumb on the outside/thumb on right side of stock, while shooting right handed. It's comfortable for that kind of setup and even for AR's at times. The forward assist just happens to be in a spot that is pretty comfortable to rest that thumb as well, and even has some springiness to provide some tension. The accuracy effect is really just them being more comfortable shooting that way. So for them, more accurate in their shooting, but the rifle's accuracy isn't effected at all.
@ETHRON1
@ETHRON1 Год назад
On the springs...I would say New or Modern springs are ok to compress...the older ones and some other overseas manufactured spring are not the quality of today's springs...just saying.
@jtdundee
@jtdundee 2 месяца назад
Well done!
@w3lc0metomyl1fe
@w3lc0metomyl1fe Год назад
I swear Eugene Stoner used magic and unicorns to make the AR-15. Why else there's so many myths about it?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@un4getable609
@un4getable609 Год назад
Sounds like a loaded question 😂
@jeffwhite3679
@jeffwhite3679 Год назад
I used the M16/AR15 platform professionally for 40 years, 20 as an Army Infantryman and 20 as a police officer. I store my home defense AR "Cruiser Ready". Magazine inserted, bolt closed on an empty chamber safety on. All you need to do to be ready to use the weapon is pick it up and run the charging handle. The myths about springs will never die. During my time in the Army if an inspector found a weapon in the rack that was cocked (they used to randomly press triggers when inspecting the arms room) it would cause the armorer to fail. The rational was saving the hammer springs. I had friends from the USMC who told me that wasn't a gig for them.
@JohnSmith-dh4gw
@JohnSmith-dh4gw 2 месяца назад
Does anybody here own a Browning Auto 5? Ever wore out the springs? Gimme a call. BR-549.
@Zantar45
@Zantar45 Год назад
Imagine how startling it would be if in the dead of night one of the rifles in your safe/cabinet slid over a smidge, bumped into the AR and slammed the bolt foward on it. 🤣🤣🤣
@dennism8346
@dennism8346 2 месяца назад
I guess "We Destroy the Myth, Legend, Lore, and Lies" wouldn't be as catchy as Smyth Busters.
@jcraigshelton
@jcraigshelton 2 месяца назад
People tend to really overthink these assembly line production, average, AR platform rifles. I store mine in my locked tool box on the bed of my 87 GMC 1500. Sits in between the bailing wire and the tow chain and come along. Works every time too.
@COSpacegunner
@COSpacegunner 10 месяцев назад
Please, please, please!!! Use the right context when talking about "compression" & "tension". They have OPPOSITE MEANINGS. Compression: PUSHING a spring to shorten its length. Tension: PULLING a spring to extend its length. I am unable to think of an example where a firearm spring is pulled into tension. On an AR platform, EVERY spring is under compression.
@NewswithJakenator
@NewswithJakenator Год назад
When the spring is compressed it is under compression. Tension would be if it was stretched out beyond its normal length at rest.
@Madocthevindicator
@Madocthevindicator 5 месяцев назад
There's always some know it all that doesn't understand simple logic. This will not change the mind of the modern day Fudd with the 400.00 POS BCA.
@marcush4741
@marcush4741 2 месяца назад
I think this is the only way I could never advocate storing an AR. Even if somebody could PROVE that it was BETTER for the system to store the rifle this way... a bolt left open for a long period of time is one that can have things fall onto it. There's no safety for a bolt catch. Pebble falls onto the bolt and the bolt catch gets hit? That pebble is able to set off the primer of any rounds stripped from the magazine. If this was a concern for me, I'd invest in a chamber flag. I'd keep my home defense rifle locked in a safe with a magazine-chamber wire padlock before I stored it with a bolt resting on the bolt catch.
@TsunTzu
@TsunTzu Год назад
I've set down ARs with the bolt back...and had the thing unlock. So, nah, I just leave the hammer back, safety on, bolt forward, with a loaded mag.
@SenorGato237
@SenorGato237 Год назад
It doesn't damage your buffer spring. That's not how springs work. It DOES leave your action open to getting crap in it though.
@Pappy7064
@Pappy7064 2 месяца назад
You mean I don't have to remove all my springs, trigger return spring, sear spring, buffer spring, magazine release spring and magazine spring when I store my home defesnse AR by the night stand anymore? How about my pistol recoil spring? When someone tells me storing springs in a compressed state is going to ruin my springs I smile, shake my head and walk away.
@Murderface666
@Murderface666 Год назад
Patrick Star voice: The inner machinations of the internet gun guru's minds are an enigma..." (bottle of CLP spills)
@SanctuaryReintegrate
@SanctuaryReintegrate Год назад
I leave my home defense AR locked back with a full mag, safety off. That way if I ever need to use it, I can just grab it, slap the catch, and shoot. And if I want to take it out or clean it, I can just take the mag out, and now the gun is fully clear. It's my preferred staging setup.
@rogerraines1796
@rogerraines1796 Год назад
At 2:27 and a couple times immediately after, Caleb refers to the spring under tension…..I know he meant compression, but ………….
@hellspyro666420
@hellspyro666420 Год назад
Should I remove my bolt catch and magazine release whenever I’m not using my rifle to prevent damaging those springs because they’re under tension??? (Sarcasm)
@gpark09
@gpark09 Год назад
Does this concept apply same way with the trigger springs? AR, Shotgun, and Pistol, I have tenancy to leave them un-cocked, especially the O/U shotguns.
@bills6946
@bills6946 2 месяца назад
At the range I go to, when you step back with the rifle, you better have a chamber flag in the chamber or the RSO will chew you out. You get two warnings, then you are out. I slowly bring the bolt forward to hold the flag from falling out.
@RobinP556
@RobinP556 Год назад
Given modern springs I don’t see any problem with this, but why would you store your AR with the bolt to the rear? If you’re concerned about it being loaded out an empty chamber indicator in it.
@user-oy9zy4ds9m
@user-oy9zy4ds9m 2 месяца назад
Springs actually wear out from BOTH, cycling probably more so though. Keeping them compressed for a long time causes ‘creep’ where constant stress causes the metal to slowly deform however modern high quality alloys resist this to a larger degree. This can lead to reduced tension overtime
@rarebear1166
@rarebear1166 Год назад
"If you want to store the gun loaded, do it with the bolt CLOSED and the safety on. ". A chambered cartridge could be bad news (cookoff) for firefighters responding to a housefire.
@chrissewell1608
@chrissewell1608 Год назад
Seems like if you wanted to get dust, dirt and debris out of the gun's chamber area. Common sense says, you would NOT store it with the BCG locked open. (I don't!)
@timothysuddath3852
@timothysuddath3852 Год назад
I store all my guns bolt open. Always. My pump shotgun, to my bolt rifle, whatever. Open chamber in a silicone sock. Dry, lubed, etc. I've never ever had an issue. Browning Silver, my duck gun. End of season cleaned open and socked. Stays that way until the following season. Going on 20 years, never an issue. Been doing that from day one. I sock it to keep it dry and clean.
@sixoffive
@sixoffive Месяц назад
The argument might be a little different if you have a polymer lower especially one with a polymer buffer tube.
@45SSVaquero
@45SSVaquero Год назад
Keeping an EMPTY magazine would prevent the bolt from coming home inadvertently, since it should keep the bolt hold open engaged I would think. However I don’t really see much sense in that from a ready to use stand point. Just adds another couple steps.
@ladi3sm4n213
@ladi3sm4n213 Год назад
I never understood these pointless arguments. If you’re worried the weapon is loaded then grow up. Gun is “always” loaded and when you clear your gun… its unloaded. Yet there is panzies out there who are scared of pulling the trigger to dissemble ur glock for instance. Idiots all the time shoot themselves why? Guns fault? No, its cuz the idiot forgot the most basic rule of them all. If the gun is clear… its clear. The only times it becomes not clear is when you leave visual sight of the weapon or if u load it. When you pick up a gun, remove magazine and check the status. If empty, load it. If loaded, then ur good to go. Guns are dangerous. Get over it… idek how I ranted about this subject but it ties into the bolt locked back. If you’re worried about a AR with its bolt forward… here’s a tip, clear the damn weapon. Assume its dangerous until its not. Be a man… and thats even coming from a dude with a dumbass username made when I was 11. Stay dangerous friends. Eitherway, enjoyed the video but man these comments are funny
@pops55650
@pops55650 Год назад
Me seeing this after replacing the springs in my truck lol. If I’m on the range, I keep the bolt locked back, if I’m in a dusty area, bolt close and dust cover closed. Guns in my safe, only closed dust cover closed, just my preference
@p39483
@p39483 Год назад
Creep is real. Musical instruments tell us a lot because creep is observable in flat tuning. New steel guitar strings take several tunings before they stabilize. Plastic obviously creeps more yet even nylon strings become fairly stable after a few months. So I think every compressed spring will undergo a "detuning" process. Compared with a new spring the one left compressed for a year will have less spring force. But a one year and a ten year compressed spring should have similar force.
@colt10mmsecurity68
@colt10mmsecurity68 Год назад
Where did Caleb get that perfectly fit helmet from? …and those chops!!!! They’re getting longer!
@joemarchinski914
@joemarchinski914 Год назад
kinda disturbing that a slight bump of the stock released the bolt....I dont have an AR ...but my mini has never released an open locked bolt unintentionaly...seems like that should never happen
@TheSecretSantaa
@TheSecretSantaa Год назад
Even if it did damage your buffer spring a new milspec spring is 3-5 dollars. Unless you have a super 42 braided buffer spring that are 100 bucks a pop. I say as long as your keeping your gun stored in a safe way run it how you want.
@markgoostree6334
@markgoostree6334 Год назад
When my AR goes into the safe I confirm it is unloaded. Then the bolt is put in the forward position. Every time. That is how my guns are kept in the safe. Guns that are out, staged for possible emergency, have a loaded mag staged close by. My EDC is ready and on my hip. No, I don't live in a war zone and have rarely ever felt the need to "stage" a rifle.
@siege2928
@siege2928 Год назад
While technically true that compressing springs for long periods is “damaging” the degradation is so minimal in almost every scenario you’re not going to have mechanical failure for another 20-50 years. From safety aspect of wanting a visual clear chamber… just use a chamber flag.
@solomonsgtjustinl9724
@solomonsgtjustinl9724 Месяц назад
I don’t store mine that way because I don’t want the bolt & chamber getting kornhole hair from my cat all in there. It’s the same reason you wouldn’t crack an engine open, and store it that way.
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