Snake Egg Update! 

And goldfish,

Yellow flowers and sombreros are usually cream-yellow colours.

Like a Gold-Shiny effect drawing or smth.

@@elisheva67 Nice! You can say like Yellow Hats or fedoras for ''Sombrero''.

Maybe the hat was the yellow hat from Curious George. The human in Curious George is only ever named The Man in the Yellow Hat.

I wouldn’t say step too far. While I agree it should be done to see the results and potentially protect future snakes. Why should they pick and choose which snakes are worth living more than others and which should be put in danger because their lives aren’t valued as such. It’s like playing god and that’s why some people weren’t pleased at all with the experiment.

​@@mrnowak2835... They're snake breeders. By that definition, they're literally always "playing god"

@@neverlandhunter6988 What they dont seem to grasp is Humans by definition play god on a daily basis. Dog breeders breed dogs for features such flat face's in dogs like French Bulldogs, Pug's and many others. Puppies from those litters who dont have the flat face are often culled to keep the not flat face out of the world. Rescue Kennels have to make the choice of which dogs, cat, other animals to rehome and which to put to sleep. Doctors keep humans alive with medicine and science all the time essentially playing god with our lives. Scientist's come up with more things to keep us alive on the daily. The List is endless, unless you live under a rock your going to constantly be running in to someone playing god with one thing or another.

@@mrnowak2835 Unfortunately to do the experiment they HAVE to pick a clutch to do it on. Of course they won't use a clutch that is either a new species for them, a fancy morph they've been working on for years or a clutch that's part of a breeding project (like the secret hognose clutch). They also can't use a clutch the was mostly slugs as for one the sample size will be rather small and secondly a clutch being mostly slugs could lead you to think the rest have a higher chance to go bad. The Bullsnake clutch chosen just simply fit the criteria. The whole clutch was laid looking perfectly healthy, no slugs or slightly iffy eggs at all. There was also a nice little sample size of 11 eggs to do a nearly 50/50 of black marker vs orange. I can understand feeling annoyed and feeling like they're picking and choosing which are worthy and such. But like I said they have to pick one to do the experiment on to try and get as accurate results as they can. That's just the hard truth of it.

@@mrnowak2835 So you agree that it needs to be done, but you're concerned that they picked eggs for it to be done...there's literally no other way to do it. Am I misunderstanding you? Because your comment about "playing god" suggests that you may be confused about something.

Well its wouldnt be thay easy as chemical makeup of different pens varies

​@@edwardhisse2687that's why they only did sharpie.

Yellow theme stuff

@@robyngatomon1991 It's difficult and understandable to be upset, but the reality is that doing an experiment like that could prevent far greater future suffering.

@@robyngatomon1991It would be far worse if they continued using colored markers for years, not knowing there was an issue because it was only one color affecting the eggs and thus difficult to make the connection. Seems like it’s better to use one clutch to determine if the marker is safe, rather than use who knows how many eggs over the next several years.

@@robyngatomon1991of course its sad that the snake wouldve had to suffer, but then everyone would know not to use orange marker on eggs, so more snakes don‘t have to.

I get why some people are upset. But now, every breeder can know to avoid orange markers. I also wish this could have been confirmed without harming baby snakes.

Same

😂 same

You and me both, lol

Same

Yup

For things like dyes, black isn't achieved by just putting all the other pigments together. Specific pigments and chemicals are used for each colour, so there is a chance something in one colour could be harmful even if the other colours aren't.

@@DragonFae16 True, Sharpies are dye-based, not pigment-based, but the black still has more dye than orange. You can test this by dripping a bit of rubbing alcohol on a line of each on strips of paper. Also, both colors conform to ASTM D-4236. Based on the swatches I made, the dyes in each are different from each other, but that's why each color gets tested for safety. While the Art & Creative Materials Institute probably doesn't have snake eggs in mind, a test like this not a bad idea.

The reason they picked orange to test, if you remember or saw that egg laid video, was because in the past couple years, the eggs they had used orange on and videoed start to finish, had a higher percentage of going bad.

It's definitely worth keeping in mind that we have no reason to suspect that black Sharpie is going to be "safer" than a different colored Sharpie. It's been the standard for snake breeders to use because black sharpies are available basically everywhere and are cheap, not because there's reason to believe the chemicals in black Sharpie ink are safer on egg surfaces.

@@SupremeViola well we know they aren't unsafe, because the hatch rate using them is really good?

She sprayed her hands between clutches you can see it in the hyper loop if you watch carefully. You see her picking up the spray bottle between each clutch.

@@AngelusGaston I did notice but it wasn't actively mentioned so I decided to bring it up here because its not something that people would necessarily think to do. This video is intended to educate people on how to care for snake eggs and that's a fairly important piece of information that was missing

@@Lilith-Rose She does mention at the start when she is going through all the stuff she uses that its for sterilisation purposes, and anyone who keeps multiple reptiles or animals would be doing hand washes between handling so wouldn't really need reminding about cross contamination.

@@AngelusGaston you would be very surprised at just how ignorant people can be of basic sanitation practices, and by not mentioning it directly during a detailed informational video it gives the impression that it is not a necessary step.

I would also go the extra mile to change out the perlite as it could be harboring spores as well.

That's terrific!! Great job!

I sense some fake here.. the vid is only 40 mins old. How the hell did they hatch 40 mins after u did this?..

​@@CV01_Hatsunemiku😂😂😂

@@CV01_Hatsunemiku they make other videos they have a whole playlist 🤦‍♀️🤣

That is so cool. We'll done. 👌

exactly. We can't know what we don't know, and you can't make husbandry better on a larger scale if we don't find out what minutia that we're not thinking about might be having an effect on development.

Great insight to see if the color affects their ability to thrive after hatching~

yeah, I've also seen a lot of people say "just don't use anyway instead of testing it" but,, they HAVE been using it for YEARS and uploaded hundreds of videos! people watching and people that will watch will probably use the markers too, so there has to be another video that will pop up to prove otherwise if it ends up bad! if snake discovery stops doing it and says "oh no reason, just because 🤷" then no ones gonna actually listen and keep doing it themselves

100% agree! There are experiments for reasons! We will now know and base future decisions on the experiments! 🫶🏼

Keep us updated on the yellow eggs. I don't see how they will be good baby snakes with the eggs being yellow. Love all your videos ❤❤❤😊

Same! Knowing a few exciting things from Patreon, it's going to be an epic one!

​@@propio2957 LIKE WHAT??

​@@_veronica_rlike super condas! And so many more awesome babies. I'm so excited! Maybe we'll be seeing them coming next week?

I am sooo exited to see all the little wiggle baby’s, especially all the sassy bull snakes and dramatic actor hognoses

@@_veronica_r Spoilers 😉

While I don't have anger, I would say that using sharpie at all - a known toxic ink until it cures - is not necessary. There is really no reason to mark all the eggs with pictures. I used to use pencil when I marked a different egg in the same container as others. It works, though it is very light and fades a little.

I agree, It's an experiment, it has already happened and people arguing isn't going to solve anything at all and they know it. Sometimes experiments are necessary, and they don't always gotta go other people's way. It's reality.

I think the problem is that there is no reason to ever mark eggs with orange. It dosen't happen in nature, it dosen't benefit the eggs, and there are other colors to mark eggs with. Experimenting and learning is important, but only if it is to benefit the animals. I still completely support Snake Discovery, but I think they made a bad decision, and hope they don't do it with other clutches.

​@@wildflower1397 you still have to test the other colors though every time you use another color your literally testing if something is going to happen to that egg. Even a small mark could do damage to an UNDEVELOPED egg. How many eggs had to risked so breeders found out that black was OK to use or a certain type of pen was OK to use. This literally isn't a new thing it's been going on since people started to breed snakes its just that Emily wants to show her viewers the whole process.

@angelusgaston5922 Yes! So much this!!! Everyone commenting that orange "could" have harmed the snakes. First of all, they knew going in that the likelihood of it being an issue was so small. The benefit far outweighed the risk! Second, how do you think it was learned that black marker was safe? People "risked" it and tried! That is how scientific progress works! These comments and the criticism is so unwarranted and ridiculous. Third, there could be many reasons that a different colored marker may need to be used. It is very important to mark the top of the eggs to ensure the developing baby doesn't drown if an egg is rattled or moved. So what if the eggs are found and only a colored marker is available? What if there are different species and a breeder wants to delineate between them? What if black markers suddenly are not available? There are always reasons for testing! Bottom line, the risk was nearly non-existent and what was learned by the experiment is very valuable! Stop the nonsense!

The more reputable someone is, the less tolerance people have for mistakes. There's quite a handful of people waiting to rip into Snake Discovery any chance they get.

Right?! I knew they put on stuff on moldy eggs and threw out bad ones, but I had no idea it's a whole "thing". I thought they just check them once in a while or something 😅

herping?

⁠@@tThisNThatherpetology is the science of snakes and amphibians , and herping refers to looking for those animals out in the wild

What do those do for ring worm? PLZ

My conclusion too😊

Same, its probably yellow theme

THIS. The one person I've seen going off about it in the comments talks about it like they are torturing fully formed, feeling animals. It's a really strange stance to take imo. And while they could just stop using the markers, it wouldn't really help give any extra info/insight on the use to other people who would probably still use them. It felt like a weirdly "pro-life" adjacent argument

I think this is very possible. Different species have different chemical makeups

That's one heck of a surprise!

@@annetheelf8174 ikr!

Were you co-habbing them? I’m confused as to how they “ended up breeding” if not. Hognoses shouldn’t be co-habbed.

@@lindsayschmidt2177 oh yeah the owner said they were babies but just ate alot but lied . Idk why

I also wonder what the reason is.

They used to do it in older egg videos. (Like years pre-covid old.) My guess is that even if an egg shows viens, that doesn't mean it will hatch. Also, when you're dealing with the sheer volume of eggs that Ed and Emily are, the time investment to candle all of them might just not be worth it as opposed to just incubating a few additional eggs.

I wonder if you could light pad them. Would a light pad for art have a strong enough light? That would be a cool experiment.

​@@kriscook2423a light pad wouldn't work very well because having the light around the egg as well as behind it makes it much harder to see the details you are trying to reveal with having a light behind it

In the old videos they used a combo of their phone flashlights and I think I recall a normal small LED flashlight. I think the other posted is right. Having to wait and check, wait and check,for the 1st few days. And bouncing them on and off heat to look at them is probably less efficient, and more of a risk really, then just following progress. I also wonder with the snake egg need to be stationary vs birds needing rotation it also just wouldn't introduce more risk. They posted a study a while back about hatch rates and turned snake eggs and the results weren't as bad. But the study noted elevated death rates post hatching for rolled eggs.

i know I'm so stoked for the hatching videos

Yeah

same

i plan on getting a snake

That can also be explained because the larger clutch compensates for more expected losses to begin with, but could be possible that the larger bins have less consistent temperature and humidity

that;s what I thought too. bees, giraffes, the sun, etc... it was all things that are usually yellow

Because in the wild, far fewer eggs go bad unless disturbed by a predator or a flood or something. What is shown on this video is the result of captivity. Snakes with poor fertility are either inbred too much or not cycled properly for breeding.

That was me last year😅

I sign the petition ❤

If you go back and listen again, you'll learn that windowing is because of too HIGH humidity, not low humidity, which is why she tries to keep hognose eggs in LOW humidity and commented on the condensation being a bad thing in a previous clutch :) Either way, leaving it won't hurt too much, it just has to dry out some more

@@willothewisp2980 I thought windowing was due to incomplete calcification cause of the mom just having so many eggs she doesn't have the calcium for them all.

@@caterscarrots3407 I think that's another reason but is visible when laid, they are talking about windows that form later in incubation I guess from calcium leeching in high humidity

My question as well. It can definitely take trial and error to dial in the incubation techniques. But yes, there is just an inordinate amount of mold going on in those containers. She did say it was too wet. Maybe they can test some egg trays in the container instead of laying the eggs on the perlite directly? Maybe try vermiculite? I guess if hatch rate is not affected, then they don't need to change anything. Looking forward to seeing what happens. BTW, in the wild, colubrid eggs are laid in conditions that are generally dry but humid. Dry-ish substrate but humidity all around it.